We've Fixed the 49ers | 2026 Offseason Preview

[00:00:08] Speaker A: Yes, sir. Dieter and Hutch. [00:00:11] Speaker B: I didn't know that was coming. That was good. [00:00:13] Speaker A: You should know. And I didn't tell you. Dieter and Hutch, we're going to fix the 49ers. [00:00:18] Speaker B: Dieter needs to get back to more of the. Of just the. The soundboard bits, just to start the episode. I really, really like them. [00:00:27] Speaker A: I could do it. I could do it. We have the technology, Jake. We can start. [00:00:32] Speaker B: Sorry, I'm just thinking of that Key and Peel sketch where it's just one guy just spamming every single. Every single possible thing. [00:00:40] Speaker A: Should we just turn this into, like, a morning FM radio station in 2002? [00:00:45] Speaker B: I'm thinking the Drive Guys of Parks and Rec, where it's Nick Kroll. It's like, crazy. [00:00:50] Speaker A: Crazy Ira and the douchebag might as well just. [00:00:54] Speaker B: I think that is our future. I think that is our future. We're going to relocate to Reno and we're just going to dominate the airwaves. [00:01:04] Speaker A: The Drive Guys or some other thing? The Morning Zoo. These guys are crazy. [00:01:12] Speaker B: I like it. And unfortunately, I am excited about that prospect. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Oh, fellas, there's always some lady back there who's just like, you guys are nuts. You guys are ridiculous. You see this in the news today. Wow. Okay, so we're going to fix the 49ers show anyway. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Yeah, let's continue. [00:01:32] Speaker A: We're going to fix them with. With a spreadsheet. Jake, how did you procure said spreadsheet shadow? [00:01:39] Speaker B: David Lombardi, the master of all spreadsheets. I ripped this one off and recoded it from. It might have been a year ago, two years ago. Yep. Put in various informations and things and, you know, now we have it. Now we have it updated. I think it is accurate or mostly accurate. And if it's not, well, you know, doing this. Who else is doing this? [00:02:06] Speaker A: Yeah, there's certainly no one else doing spreadsheet led 49ers. Breakdowns not lie. I mean, this is. It's exclusive to us. No one's ever thought of this before. And again, who did you steal this from? So it is very helpful to have it in spreadsheet form, even if some of this formatting is going to make me blow a gasket. Let's just go position by position and try to build a 53 for what the 49ers need to do this off season. Just as a point of reference, we're going to name a lot of guys. So apologies, but there's going to be a lot of guys named, and it's Going to be fast and furious with the amount of guys named. Named. Second. Second. We are not specifically choosing draft picks. We are picking players in rounds or regions of the draft at that position. And we are going off of our very, very, very rudimentary understanding of this Dr. What the positions are like. So like for instance, we did. I did a little bit of work. Like there's no first round guard in this class. [00:03:18] Speaker B: Not for this team. [00:03:19] Speaker A: There's not, but it's not for this team. Not for this team. [00:03:23] Speaker B: So unless it's an offensive tackle who's like an OTG type person. [00:03:28] Speaker A: Right. We will probably not be that detailed. But this is detailed nevertheless. Let's start with quarterbacks. Jake, you have them maintaining Mac Jones. I agree with you. [00:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I think if somebody blows them away with an offer that changes, what is that? I think it's at least a second round pick. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Top 50 second or overall second. I think it has to be top 50. [00:03:58] Speaker B: I think you're right. I think it has to be like pick 47 for them to be like, all right, let's do it. [00:04:05] Speaker A: Who has pick 47? Let's. Let's see. Because I agree with the assessment that we. You threw out there either on. On Tuesday or Sunday. It doesn't matter. Prior day. [00:04:16] Speaker B: By the way, the Indianapolis colts have pick 47. [00:04:18] Speaker A: Hey. Hey. [00:04:19] Speaker B: Now actually makes a shitload of sense anyway. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Jake just got right to the. The brass tax of it all. Effectively, the Niners will get a third round compensatory pick for Mac Jones whenever he leaves at the end of. To wherever he leaves at the end of next year. As Josh Dubois point pointed out of the AP when we were having a conversation with him about this very subject, that's an end of the third round pick. So keep that in mind. Which is why I classify top 50 as the second round pick that they would need. But in. In the sense of everyone's going to be desperate for quarterbacks. I maybe have softened on that stance a little bit because there are just so many meh quarterbacks and Mac Jones might be the king of the mayor of all the quarterbacks that you can take. But like there's still a Geno Smith who's just like free and you're not giving up a top 50 pick. And I'm sure teams will delude themselves into thinking there's not that much of a difference there. [00:05:17] Speaker B: I think that's fair. I think, I think about Mac is like, I think free agency will kind of come and go and then people will go, oh, all Right. Well, we couldn't get Geno. We started our process on the draft and yeah, it's not looking good. I think that would probably be a trade that doesn't happen until after free agency and closing down like a week before the draft, something like that. [00:05:44] Speaker A: I'd be even more specific. I think that could be a draft day trade. I think that there's a team that's sitting there, the board has gone crazy. What. [00:05:53] Speaker B: What's the Kevin Costner movie? [00:05:55] Speaker A: Draft day. [00:05:56] Speaker B: Draft. Right. It's draft day. I sort of rewatched some clips from that. Man, what an incredibly bad. [00:06:04] Speaker A: No notes. No notes at all. You see these rings? That's why they brought me here. [00:06:10] Speaker B: None of it makes any sense, but. Yeah, anyway. [00:06:13] Speaker A: No, they're just wheeling and dealing. They're. They're like the Golden State Warriors. We're gonna trade Kaminga for Wiggins now. It's, it's just wonderful. Just circular and. Yeah, crazy. And Jennifer Gardner's there. When was the last time she was movie? [00:06:28] Speaker B: Yeah, she is. She's certainly standing there. [00:06:31] Speaker A: Capital One ads taking up all that time. Yeah. Listen, Mac Jones might not be on this team. I don't get the sense in very loose, trivial, light conversation that Curtis Rourke has done anything in his limited time as the 49ers playing football for the 49ers, that team that like anybody with the Niners is like, whoa, Roark, like we could trade Mac and Rourke can take over. No, like Rourke's the man. [00:07:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:02] Speaker A: That's not to say he's bad, but. [00:07:03] Speaker B: He had like three weeks to actually practice, so it's hard to say until he. Training camp. Yeah, but yeah, I think I'm with you. I don't think anyone's like, he's the guy. But I also think they were, you know, kind of optimistic about him and he hasn't really had much time. I also think the other element is like, you're getting a draft pick this cycle versus waiting another year with Mac, and if it is a high third round versus a late third round next year, there is like an element of, you know, consideration there. [00:07:36] Speaker A: That said the opportunity. I don't think losing a very viable backup quarterback who is right as important as anyone to putting you in the playoffs this year, I, I just don't completely agree. He's not cost prohibitive, he's not locker room prohibitive. And you're getting marginal short term gains with incredible short term risk. [00:07:56] Speaker B: So you're potentially getting massive short term gains if you get, you know, like, if, if your Route to improving the offensive line is, is getting like a manual pregnant in the second round and you do that by getting a second round gain. So. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Right, like that's, that's not just the here and now. That's. That's the big macro. And that's why I think it could be a macro. There we go. The macro. Pun intended. And that is the end of quarterback conversation. I hear Purdy's good. [00:08:29] Speaker B: Moving on. I think, I think that group stays the same. Maybe they cut Rourke, maybe they don't. I don't care. [00:08:34] Speaker A: I don't think they will. McCaffrey at 10.6 for next year. All of that will appear to be dead money come week three or four, in all likelihood. There we go. Jordan James, who has been ready for six weeks and finally got his shot with three carries that will carry the 49ers forward Kyle use check obviously coming back. It's funny. Kyle Use check had no contract. They cut his ass. [00:09:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:01] Speaker A: And then they brought him back on a multi year deal. That's insane. [00:09:05] Speaker B: Very fascinating. [00:09:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm glad they did. He's a good football player who very much helped them this season and probably will do the same next season. But just nuts. Still nuts. Still don't quite get it. And then Isaac Garendo because I guess why would you cut him. [00:09:22] Speaker B: For the time being? I mean, I mean the thing is like his cap hit is basically the same as anyone else. But like that's where we get to is like who do they pick up? They need to sign somebody who is somewhat legitimate and I think they probably also. [00:09:39] Speaker A: Okay, well there's no question they need to draft somebody and I think that anything that's day two or certainly there's no day one option there. Yep, it's a day three draft pick. So let's, let's add that to the board. Day three draft pick. [00:09:56] Speaker B: All right, let's say, I'm thinking round four. Four. [00:10:00] Speaker A: That sounds good. [00:10:01] Speaker B: They got a bunch in round four. Let's say pick 138. How does that work for you? [00:10:05] Speaker A: I love it. [00:10:07] Speaker B: We're going to say we're going to add a round four pick 138. And then in free agency, what are we looking at, Dieter? [00:10:13] Speaker A: Well, I have two names. There are many more. The two names if we're going for something of significance because there's always an Amir Abdullah. There's always the guys who are just floating around. You could bring back Raheem Mostert for some reason. But the two names that I would say the Niners should really target. Understanding that Christian McCaffrey is probably not doing that again is Ken Gainwell of the Steelers who is a good pass catching back and you know, can definitely share a backfield with him being the primary guy. Should have McCaffrey be out and play alongside McCaffrey. Not literally, but as a third down type of back. Well, maybe literally as well. I think they have a complimentary style and then the other name and we talked about this. This is legitimately why we relate to the stream today. I have no idea how to value Tyler Algier, the running back for the Atlanta Falcons. I have no idea. I don't know what he's worth. You could convince me he's worth $12 million a year. You could also convince me that he's worth one. I have no idea what Tyler Algier is. I just know that he's a really, really good running back, is certainly a scheme fit and has been the number two or one B to B John Robinson. Hey buddy, you want a few more reps than what Bijan's been giving you? And even though he gets a lot of reps, come on down. Christian McCaffrey is Old B John Robinson and he's not going to get that many reps this year. So this is your chance to kind of jump up into the number one spot in a free agency class that does have a couple of guys that can slide into a true number one role for other teams. [00:11:54] Speaker B: Real quick, before I jump in on this, what would you set the over under on McCaffrey touches at? I think he had. I don't know exactly what the number was, but I know it was north of 400 this year. Knowing 235, I would kind of hit the. I would kind of slam the under on that. [00:12:11] Speaker A: Where, how, how low do I have to go for you to take the over? [00:12:16] Speaker B: You'd have to get it into like the 17520 range. [00:12:21] Speaker A: Oh boy. You don't think he's going to get a. I mean listen, anything can happen. [00:12:26] Speaker B: I think, I think he took an insane amount of carries. And what happens the year after running back does that if they're not a Derrick Henry type, which, hey, there's no other person that's anywhere like Derek Henry. [00:12:43] Speaker A: You mean there's not a lot of other 6 foot 4, 250 pound running backs? [00:12:47] Speaker B: There's not. There's not. And there's a track record of McCaffrey the next year having a lot of issues. I feel like the wheels are going to come off next year. And that's not what I want to happen. That's just what I think is after 400 touches, getting older. [00:13:02] Speaker A: Like it's the same thing that happened in 24. [00:13:04] Speaker B: Agreed. I think you have to sign someone like you're preparing for them to be your starter for most of the season. And I think you need to draft somebody to say, all right, we have Jordan James as our potential number two. Really your number three who gets bumped up to number two. And then we have another running back to compete with them and the number two. So how I'm. I'm looking at. I think I like Gainwell and Algier quite a bit. I don't think like Javante Williams, Breece Hall, Kenneth Walker, all those numbers are going to be way too high. The Niners aren't going to allocate that sort of money when they're paying McCaffrey 11 million. Right. And even like a Rico Daddle, I think someone's going to throw a little bit too much at him after this year. [00:13:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:13:47] Speaker B: I like that. I kind of wanted to put Isaiah Pacheco on the list. You did not like that? [00:13:52] Speaker A: I just don't at all. That's a person. [00:13:55] Speaker B: I still love him from my draft evaluation days. I think he runs with the level of aggression and still has some speed where I scheme with like the way the 49ers running backs and have coached success out of a lot of running backs who have not been great elsewhere. I think it could work. I don't necessarily think he's a natural fit, but I like the size and physicality he brings and I think he would be pretty cheap after his general levels of disappointment over the previous years. [00:14:28] Speaker A: I'm just saying if I was not a Brian Robinson fan when they made the trade. I stand by everything I said then. You all now know what I was talking about when. Oh, no. Brian Robinson's great. What are you saying now? It's exactly what I told you he was going to be. And if you want a guy who's going to take a bunch of steps and run into the back of his offensive line, why sign Isaiah Pacheco when you can just keep Brian Robinson? [00:14:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I would argue Pacheco is a lot more physical and has more speed, but also he didn't show it. Again, I'm not saying I'm not seeing. I'm saying I've been overwhelmingly impressed. Let's be clear. [00:15:03] Speaker A: What about Gainwell? I mean, I. There is a. [00:15:05] Speaker B: No, no, no. That's where. That's where I'm coming back to is. I think Gainwell actually makes a fuck ton of sense. [00:15:10] Speaker A: Now. I, I want to put the caveat on this that I think Gainwell is going to be the guy that a lot of teams circle because it's like, oh, he's the best of this. Mid tier, we need a mid tier back. And like, I think ETN is probably the bottom or dowdles the bottom of that top tier. And so then everyone's going to be like, okay, we're not going to go get a top tier guy because we already have our number one running back. We need a number two. Let's go get Gainwell and then Gainwell gets tier one money because there's so many teams looking for the tier two back and they get into a bidding war. [00:15:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, do, do we think. I guess, I guess the question is, are we building this? Like, this is what we think they'll do or what we think they should? I think it's. We're building it. We're fixing the roster, right? [00:15:53] Speaker A: Yeah, we're fixing the roster. And what I think they should do is go out and pay Tyler Algier. [00:15:59] Speaker B: All right, we're going to, we're going to do that. We're going to say Tyler out here. Three and a half. Sure. Because that seems vaguely safe. And also, even if it's a 6 million a year deal, it's going to come in at three and a half on year one and they're going to have a void year to compensate for all that. That's why when you see some of these numbers, if there's a player that you're like, that's a 20 million a year player and it's at 12. The 49ers, the way they structure the cap, it. We're just looking at the cap hit in year one. Right. All right. [00:16:26] Speaker A: Would you, would you. Do you prefer Gainwell to Algier? [00:16:30] Speaker B: I think I do, but I think if the price point is three plus million and more a year, I think Algiers, a guy that's just going to be a grinder and going to get you three and a half yards of carry and against some meaty fronts that have given you trouble. It's not the worst thing in the world to have a bowling ball who consistently gets positive yardage. [00:16:51] Speaker A: Katamari Damachi, Tyler Algier, receiver. [00:16:55] Speaker B: Is that where we're going next? [00:16:56] Speaker A: We are going to receiver and Jake, before we really get into receiver. Dear God. Dear God. I know that Tim Kawakami put out how can they get Justin Jefferson for the 1,000th time, Justin Jefferson's not being traded. But okay, whatever. Everyone has dreams and hopes. There are two players of legitimate quality and just a morass of, I don't know after that. [00:17:26] Speaker B: Right. Well, there's George Pickens at the very, very, very. [00:17:29] Speaker A: But yeah, but there's no way that George Pickens actually hits the market. And the Niners cannot allocate that kind of money. Pickens is going to be a 30 plus million dollar receiver. They can't go that high. [00:17:40] Speaker B: Correct. [00:17:41] Speaker A: So the, the two. Let's just start at the top. The two names that are going to get a lot of buzz. And let's be clear about what the Niners need here. They need an X receiver because in this circumstance, they're letting Juwan Jennings walk, as you can see. Sorry, I'll scroll down here. Yeah, dead money. [00:18:02] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's regardless of what they do with him, that money is there. If they extend him, then that number can change. But I'm projecting. [00:18:10] Speaker A: Yeah, no, yeah, that's how the contract structure. So they need here three wide receivers. That is a fair assessment. With Cowing, it might even be four because there's no indication that they actually like Jacob Cowing and want to play. [00:18:27] Speaker B: He's an idea of a person. [00:18:29] Speaker A: It's. It's postmodern football. So the two names at the top are Romeo Dobbs and Alec Pierce. Both of them are wonderful. They kind of present different possibilities at the X receiver position. Dobbs being a very willing blocker, an over the field kind of over route guy, crossing routes guy, very good hands, consistently injured. Just, he's, he, he has a chance. I mean, fantasy football owners hate him. Um, but he's a really, really good receiver. And how much do you estimate a Romeo Dobbs would get on the cap in his first year with a new contract? [00:19:12] Speaker B: So I have Dobbs coming in. I have it at about 10 million on the cap. [00:19:19] Speaker A: What is that like, AAV? [00:19:21] Speaker B: I think realistically he's a guy that gets. It's more like in 16 to 18 million a year. And the number on the year one cap is like 10 to 11 to 12. And it's basically a two plus three deal kind of wherever he goes. And I think there are other teams that might be more desperate. Remember, Dobbs is 25 years old. That's a real factor here. I'm putting him the way the Niner structures structure deals. I'm putting him at 10 million as a cap hit. Even if that number is really more like 18. [00:19:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that he could get well over 20 AAV because of his age, because of the desperation in the market and what I perceive to be a general lack of viable trade candidates in this regard. But he would be, I think, the best case scenario if you were doing it right, you'd pay Romeo Dobbs and you'd hope that you can get him for a not significant free agency tax beyond what his actual value is worth. Because then you could play Pearsall at the Z. You have Robinson as your big slot and then you can figure out what you're doing with Cowing and Watkins. And let me. So, by the way, Pierce, we have to at least entertain the idea. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:47] Speaker A: Why Dobbs overs for you? [00:20:50] Speaker B: I think Pierce is gonna get more. I think. I think Pierce is gonna come in maybe like 5 million a year more coming off the monster year he had knowing that he has true X receiver size, even if that's not necessarily where he gets used. Like, he kind of almost can be more of a big slot. I think his size puts him in that category, especially for teams that want to push the ball deep, knowing that he was like a huge problem and really is one of the better deep threats in the league. [00:21:24] Speaker A: He is. And there's going to definitely be a lot of teams thinking we need something to take safeties off over the top. Not as good of a blocker as Dobbs in my estimation, but he can play in line probably better than Dobbs. If you're going to go super tight splits, there's a conversation to be had there. I agree. I think Pierce would get paid more. And I don't see enough differentiation in skill set between. And this is again not to say that Ricky Pearsall is as good as Alec Pierce, but I don't see enough differentiation in the skill set to what they, you know, what they think Ricky can be to what Alec Pierce currently is. And then you get into a point of kind of redundancy, which could be fun, but not if you're in a. You know, it's fun to have that redundancy if you feel really solid everywhere else. But that's not where they. They are currently. Yep, there are a tremendous amount of who and oh names coming up here. I'm going to list through just a few of them. We will not spend too much time on any of them. The best of the rest are Jalen Naylor, Calvin Austin and Alamed Zakus. [00:22:37] Speaker B: There's also if some people might like Wandale Robinson from the Giants. I don't Necessarily know that that's. [00:22:43] Speaker A: There's a 2, 2 atwell perhaps if you are trying to get faster, a 22 atwell helps you in that regard. [00:22:50] Speaker B: But he's smaller than I am, so I don't. [00:22:53] Speaker A: You need a quarterback with a cannon of an arm because he's not operating in traffic and that's not what you have. Austin. Austin's probably the nice balance there. I do think he's going to get priced out. I think Naylor is a. If you don't go with Dobbs or Pierce. I think Naylor's a really intriguing possibility coming from Kevin o' Connell system, which is almost identical in the passing game you saw. Now I do think that the Vikings are going to have to make a call here between Addison and Naylor where Naylor had a lot more chemistry with nine, as he likes to call himself, J.J. mcCarthy in, in the late season portion where McCarthy actually played. I think they're gonna have to make a call there and I do think that the Niners should be interested in getting Jordan Addison as well. [00:23:48] Speaker B: Yep. [00:23:49] Speaker A: I think Naylor as a mid priced guy would be awesome. But if you're going Dobbs, you're going. [00:23:53] Speaker B: You know, real quick. I don't think they should be interested in Jordan Addison after dealing with a head case off the field. And iuk, I know Jordan Addison is an incredible wide receiver and he's going to go somewhere great. I also think he's going to flame out wherever his next team is and I think the level of exasperation they have with that is not something that they should entertain even, even if, hey, maybe that's what they need. I just think that's, that's a head case you're dealing with. [00:24:21] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean the recent charges were dropped, I should note, so that's a fact. And, and who's to say what happens with the next ones? [00:24:29] Speaker B: I think the key, the key there is that you said recent charges. [00:24:34] Speaker A: We have to differentiate. Yeah. And. And again, who's to say those are the most recent charges? The dude just finds himself in trouble all the time. And I guess the good news is that it's, it's not the kind of trouble that gets you suspended for a year. It just gets you suspended for three games. I agree with you. It's probably not worth the trouble. It is something they'll have to explore because the Vikings might not be in a position to sell them for anything, in which case the risk is worth the reward. Agreed. Agreed. That the price far of an extrapolation though. That, that's an unfair thing to look at the here and now. [00:25:12] Speaker B: Where are we settling on this, this wide receiver thing? [00:25:18] Speaker A: Day two pick. [00:25:23] Speaker B: I think it could be a day one pick. [00:25:25] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Let me rifle off some names on that, actually. [00:25:35] Speaker B: All right, let's. Well, you know what? Let's go day two and then, and then I know what we're doing with, with round one. Okay. [00:25:42] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. So. So day two pick, and I would say budget and I would like Naylor. [00:25:50] Speaker B: Six and a half. Does that sound. [00:25:52] Speaker A: No, that's mid round. Oh, you're saying, you're saying instead of Dobs. [00:25:58] Speaker B: Right? Well, that's the question. Are we. Are we are going with Dobbs? Are we going with Cal? [00:26:03] Speaker A: Okay, I'll, I'll be. I'll be honest. I think. I think that they will end up going with Calvin Austin and. [00:26:11] Speaker B: But this is us, baby. This is what we want to do. [00:26:13] Speaker A: I would take dots. I would pay Dobbs. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Let's go, Dobbs. And, and I'll even bump that number up to like 12. Just. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Just for the sake of it. [00:26:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Dobbs is your IUK replacement. [00:26:31] Speaker B: Even though he's not nearly the man coverage beater. I think he's a really good wide receiver who knows the system you're running and immediately gives you Ricky Pearsall, Romeo Dobbs and demarcus Robinson and then whatever else. And then if you draft a second round pick, you're cooking there. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Right. And then I would say you're just. [00:26:52] Speaker B: Kind of doing the packers model a little bit. [00:26:54] Speaker A: Pretty much. Pretty much. [00:26:56] Speaker B: It's not the worst thing in the world. [00:26:59] Speaker A: Let me, let me give you two names for that seventh wide receiver spot. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Okay. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Because I don't think they'll throw any actual money on it. Noah Brown, who is most recently played with, with, with the Commanders, good blocker, just sort of there. Steady Eddie, not particularly good, but NFL caliber right there on that line. And then the other one, this is the, this is the reclamation project. And you're putting a lot on Leonard Hankerson. You remember Traylon Burks? [00:27:34] Speaker B: Of course. Of course. [00:27:36] Speaker A: I think you can turn Traylon Burks into a. Or you think that's right. Turn him into Juwan Jennings. [00:27:45] Speaker B: And he's got more athleticism than Jennings. [00:27:48] Speaker A: Does not have the same crazy, I would imagine, which is the differentiation between Juwan Jennings and everybody. But I would. If, if it's my seventh spot wide receiver, I would give Traylon Burks a shot one last go because I do think that he is physically built for that system and as much as his lack of development is on him, I don't love his career path in terms of maximizing the potential there. [00:28:20] Speaker B: No question. So I like that. I think that's a good shot. I also think the likelihood of them bringing back Skymore feels high. Depending on. [00:28:28] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe we just have to do that. Maybe you just put sky more there and then it comes down to Cowie or Traylon Burks at training camp. Something like that. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Yep. All right. Moving on to tight end. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Somehow gets worse here. Sorry. Let me make sure that we have for all budget veteran on there. Okay. Tight end is bad. There's a lot of them. [00:28:52] Speaker B: There's a lot we're gonna do. Let me start. [00:28:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Bye. [00:28:57] Speaker A: Ah, this appears as if you are cutting Luke Farrell. [00:29:01] Speaker B: Post June one cut Luke Farrell. Get out of here. [00:29:06] Speaker A: That is something I don't think they would do, but I would absolutely do. [00:29:11] Speaker B: I. I don't think. And here's the thing. Cutting him, he's got a cap it of like 3 million. Right. So it's like your hope is a year in the system. Your initial bet was that he's. He'd get it. He couldn't figure it out in time, whatever. And that you've already paid him. Okay. And then you keep around Jake Tonjas. [00:29:37] Speaker A: You have to. He's. Is he an ERFA or just an rfa? [00:29:40] Speaker B: He's an rfa. So there. There might actually be a little competition there. [00:29:44] Speaker A: Maybe. Probably not, but maybe. [00:29:47] Speaker B: And that three numbers may be a little high. [00:29:49] Speaker A: That's fine. You gotta do what you gotta do. But you have one tight end. His name is Braden Willis in this scenario. [00:29:57] Speaker B: Here's what I think. I think you go out and you sign. We talked about a few guys. Yep. I think at the top of the list, there's Dallas Goddard, there's Kyle Pitts, Chiga Conquo David and Joku. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Well, can we talk about all those guys just real quick? [00:30:13] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:30:13] Speaker A: Dallas Goddard doesn't work because he doesn't block. Okay. [00:30:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:17] Speaker A: Chica Kong Wu doesn't work because he doesn't block. Okay. You have to think in a they have to block first mindset because both you're losing George Kittle in the run game and you don't have anyone who can flick and block if you. If you're going to start Tonjas. So if you're going to 12 personnel, you need a blocker. The reason Luke Farrell got cut is because he can't block. And that's what they brought him in to do. And Braden Willis sure as Hell, can't do it. So Kyle Pitts is in all likelihood going to get franchise tagged if not sign a new contract. He'd be really fun. That's what I would try to do. I don't think it's going to be a route available to him. Did I miss any names there? [00:30:55] Speaker B: Who's the last name you mentioned? [00:30:58] Speaker A: Pitts, but. [00:31:01] Speaker B: No K to Otten Tyler. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Interesting idea. [00:31:07] Speaker B: Kden's interesting. There's Isaiah likely, who I think teams will get very excited for. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Well, yeah. Yeah. So Isaiah likely had a down 25, but he had a really good 24. An ascendant 24. Physically, he is wildly impressive. I do think that he'll get more than his production indicates he should get. I'm thinking something in the 7, 8, 9 million dollar a year AAV range, which I think kind of puts him out of the ballpark. [00:31:39] Speaker B: I think the names we both like and because I think you, in my view, I think you cut Luke Farrell. It didn't work. It didn't work. And betting on that, again, to work, quite frankly, is at best outrageously optimistic and at worst negligent. That's. I'm stealing that from my column when talking about how the 49ers are handling Gus Bradley. And I feel like it's the same thing. It's just, well, he's in house. He knows the thing. It's lazy. It's lazy. He was terrible this year. That's just a fact. [00:32:13] Speaker A: It didn't get. And we pointed and it got. When they put more pressure on him. [00:32:15] Speaker B: He had a couple games where he was better and. But it was like, still like it's not quite there. I think the two names we talked about, you mentioned, Charlie Kohler from the Ravens, worked with Brock Purdy at Iowa State. [00:32:29] Speaker A: That's right. [00:32:29] Speaker B: And Daniel Bellinger, Dieter's former draft crush from the Giants. Big blocking dude who actually doesn't catch the ball terribly. [00:32:38] Speaker A: No. Yeah. Bellinger actually had a pretty nice year for the Giants this year. Let's. I'm going to run through a couple more names here and then I want to talk about Kohler, David and Joku. [00:32:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:50] Speaker A: Coming off of a very, you know, four year, $54 million contract. I don't know what his market's going to be. It's probably less than 10 million a year. [00:32:58] Speaker B: I disagree. I think it's going to be over 10 million. I think it's going to be right around 10 million. [00:33:02] Speaker A: Okay. Let's call it that. That's not a viable play for the niners in my estimation. Mo Ali Cox, very large blocking tight end, 32 years old. I'm all down. I'm down for Mo Ali Cox. [00:33:15] Speaker B: I agree he's on. I put him on the list for a reason. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Tyler Higby is going to have a lot of suitors this offseason despite being 33 years old. Also 5 mil a year if you. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Want to go budget route. Another true blockers, Chris Manhurt's. [00:33:29] Speaker A: I like Chris Manhurtz. I have him here too. I like him a lot. Foster Moreau is a nice all around depth option. I like John Fitzpatrick, the blocking tight end out of Green Bay. I do think there's some plus side there, but Charlie Kohler is a name that I don't think anybody really knows. That's okay. He was the number three, if not number four tight end for the Baltimore Ravens last year, right? I they never, they threw him the ball like 10 times. I think he's got some pretty sick hands. I think his athleticism is much better than you would expect for a third or a fourth tight end. And this dude is a blocker. He was Purdy's tight end at Iowa State. I would call him an elite blocker. I think he has plus athleticism. He has really nice hands. This has, and this is blasphemous. Forgive me, but there's some Kittle undertones to this in that he can do all the things that you would ask a true number one tight end to do. I'm not saying he's George Kittle or even, you know, any, any, you know, Kyle Pitts or anything like that, but I think he can be a number one tight end in this league in the same way that certainly an Isaiah likely could be a number one tight end in this league, he is do that. [00:34:41] Speaker B: He was tested for the record as a 90th percentile athlete. Ran a four six two, had a great vertical, great broad, solid three cone, solid shuttle. Well above average. [00:34:54] Speaker A: He is and he has gotten better and better. I mean I went through the tape and last year he put a lot of good tape on a lot of big runs behind him. Really technically sound. Clearly has the crazy on the field. I would venture to say a good friend with Brock. I haven't touched base with Brock on that. But you know, coming from Iowa State, there's some video evidence that they at least could hold a conversation that they met, they've met, they seem to understand each other's sense of humor. If I'm Brock Purdy and I'm thinking how do I make my football team better. Here's a very good answer. You have many answers if you're the starting quarterback of an NFL team. But here's a good one. Go get your buddy Charlie Kohler to move out west because I'm not even. Kohler's awesome. [00:35:40] Speaker B: I love Bellinger. I like him a lot. I think Kohler makes a hell of a lot of sense. Is that a shitload of money allocated to tight end over the course of a few different guys? Yes, but one of those is George Kittle. I think the other thing you have to do, you have to draft the tight end. [00:35:58] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:58] Speaker B: You have to assume Kittle's not going to be right. You have to assume. I don't know how many more shots we're going to take and frankly, I'm going to say we're going to use a third round pick on a tight end. [00:36:09] Speaker A: Okay, let me give you some names that are in that range. Apologies. I'm pulling this up right now. [00:36:14] Speaker B: Again, we're in very early days of draft assessment. [00:36:22] Speaker A: Boy, it is not a great tight end class. We're talking about Justin Jolly out of NC State. [00:36:29] Speaker B: Yeah. I like the Michael Trigg out of Baylor. He's a little too lanky for me. Keep giving me more names. [00:36:38] Speaker A: There's one kid I like perfectly sorted yet. Sorry. Well, this is, this is why we. This is why we have the big board. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:49] Speaker A: I like out of Ohio. [00:36:50] Speaker B: I like Joe Royer out of Cincinnati. For, for. As a placeholder. Eli Stowers is, is an explosive guy, but I don't know about it. I think he goes higher and I don't know about his blocking ability. I'm gonna say as a placeholder, like Joe Royer from Cincy. I liked what he did. I like how he moves and I think he blocks. So I'm gonna say couple other names. [00:37:14] Speaker A: Eli Radon out of Notre Dame. Dalen Bentley out of Utah. And I just been saying it again. Oscar Delp out of Georgia. Who. [00:37:24] Speaker B: Yep. [00:37:24] Speaker A: Fits the mold for sure. [00:37:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And we're gonna get into a lot of these guys. There's the Shrine bowl coming up. We're gonna. It's starting right now, so we're gonna have some Shrine bowl stuff next week. [00:37:33] Speaker A: We're big Shrine heads. Big. [00:37:35] Speaker B: We are big Shrine heads because they actually give us the tape, which is pretty sweet. It's gonna be awesome. [00:37:40] Speaker A: Jack Enduries out of Texas. [00:37:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Listen. A lot of white eye, Ole Miss. Yeah. I really like Royer in the early days. I mean, again, our opinions can change on some of this stuff. But for now, I'm gonna say the 49ers get rid of Farrell. They keep. Obviously, Kittle's sticking around. Braden Willis eventually just gets cut, but as a placeholder, he's there, right? You bring in. You keep Tonjas. You bring in Charlie Kohler and you draft somebody at. In the third round. And then. And then you have a group that you're like, all right, if Kittle's out, we've got a little something here. And granted, you might have a Kim Law, too, again, because this team can't. [00:38:21] Speaker A: Draft tight ends, but let us do it. [00:38:24] Speaker B: Let us do it. [00:38:26] Speaker A: Can I also just say there's going to be a lot of conversation, at least right now, as we are in a very nebulous part of the NFL draft portion about Kenyon Sadiq. [00:38:37] Speaker B: Yep. [00:38:38] Speaker A: Let me be abundantly clear about this. There is no good way in hell that Kenyon Sadiq lands at number 27 to the San Francisco 49ers. I watched two games of Kenyan Sadiq, all 22 yesterday. 0.0% chance he ends up with the San Francisco 49ers. Unless the Niners are trading up to get him, which is basically the only way that. I mean, yeah, there. There's warts in his game. I'm not pretending as if he's some perfect prospect. [00:39:04] Speaker B: We're not talking about measurables are too fucking ridiculous. [00:39:08] Speaker A: No, and the blocking really does pop. I mean, my. My first impression notes here are stallion. Stallion power lifter strength with ballerina feet. Upside is a revolution at the tight end position. He ain't getting to 27, so it would be fun. That would be your best case scenario. But it ain't happening. And you shouldn't trade up to get a tight end. He's sick. [00:39:31] Speaker B: He's sick. You can't. You cannot in good conscience trade up if he's there at 27. Fuck yeah. Of course. [00:39:36] Speaker A: I mean, that's an obvious pick. Yeah. If they're 20, then you can have an adult conversation about, hey, can we make this happen? [00:39:44] Speaker B: But he ain't. [00:39:45] Speaker A: I don't think he gets to 10. [00:39:48] Speaker B: I think he early teens, but it's also a week. It's a weak blue chip class. And next year is going to be insane. [00:39:56] Speaker A: Insane. Okay, let's go to the position that everyone wants to talk about all the time, but no one ever wants to break down except us. Offensive lineman. And we are operating on the premise here that Spencer Burford gets paid by some unwitting team. Unwitting's wrong. [00:40:16] Speaker B: They're very wedding. Yeah. [00:40:17] Speaker A: Does not know what they're doing. A doofus collective, if you will, who's just throwing. Throwing money at their problem. Hoping that Spencer Burford be good. He's gone. He's gone. I think everyone in that locker room expected that too. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Here's going to happen. First round draft pick, they are going to spend it on a tackle. This is. I know. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hear me out. I know this is the year. Everyone always predicts this. It never happens. I think this is a year knowing Trent is 38. Depends again, does this happen? Do they extend Trent, I think to lower his cap hit. That's a very strong possibility. He also might hold out and then stuff gets weird. There have been rumblings. So I think what you do here is you look for an offensive tackle. Last year I really liked, or was it two years before. Troy Fautanu, who went to the Pittsburgh Steelers, I thought was like a perfect fit in that mold of a guy that can start guard and move to. [00:41:28] Speaker A: Tackle whenever I was a Kingsley Sua Matia man. [00:41:33] Speaker B: Yes, you were certainly play guard. You know, he. Yeah, came around. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Came around. [00:41:40] Speaker B: At the top of this draft, there's Francis Mauigoa who's going to go top 10, maybe top five. [00:41:44] Speaker A: He's got Spencer Fan who's gone too. You have four names that you're looking at here. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Katie Proctor is kind of the name. [00:41:51] Speaker A: Now the issue with Kaden Proctor is he be doey and his technique. He's still raw. He's a raw player, but he's stupidly athletic for being that doughy. And I do think that he's there at 27 for somebody and I do think that he could play guard for you in the short term. That's not the reason you take him, but I do think that's there. Caleb Lomu, the other Utah. Forgive me if I mispronounce it. That's just my thing now. Caleb Lomu out of Utah, Real possibility could also get bumped up in this process. Two other names to think about here. Monroe Feeling Freeling out of Georgia. Freeling, sorry. And Jennings Dunker out of Iowa. Jennings Dunker is an incredible name. Jennings with a G out of Iowa. There's going to be a lot of love for Jennings Dunker because people just love saying it. And yeah, he's, there's, there's a lot of scheme fit. Even though as we had the conversation last year, a lot of inside zone, outside zone. But if you're a tackle, it's a Different pair. [00:42:59] Speaker B: And so yeah, there's also the thing of like where the Niners are positioned. You go, all right, well it's a little early for some of these other guys, but then you go to the next, the second round pick and they're all gone, right? Yeah, like there tends to be that. [00:43:13] Speaker A: Tierman, Blake Miller, World. [00:43:16] Speaker B: Isaiah World is another guy. [00:43:19] Speaker A: People are very high on the kid out of Arizona State, Max Ianacho. You're not sure he's gonna be a riser. I've already. [00:43:30] Speaker B: And why do you think. And just to be clear, why do you think Proctor will be available? [00:43:35] Speaker A: Because he's too raw. He's too raw of a player. I think that the tape this past year, the highlights were fantastic. He is, he is going to be somebody on our list when we make the list of YouTube versus all 22. And there's going to be, you know, people listen. This isn't to say that there's a wrong way to do it, but there's a less exhaustive way to do it. And the less exhaustive way is to just type in Caden Proctor Highlights on YouTube. Watch. You know what are usually actually pretty good cut ups, but just of highlights and you're going to see him taking, you know, the Louisiana Monroe weak side linebacker and throwing him 42 yards into the, into the stands and you're gonna go like, oh, wow, this is amazing. You're gonna see him line up at H back and take a carry and jump over the top. You're gonna see all this stuff and you're gonna go, hell yeah. And that stuff is valid and true. What you're gonna miss is, oh, he got out of his stance too slow because he's carrying bad weight. Oh, his feet are a little bit too plotting and all of these things. I still think that he is a fringe round one, round two in that 20 to 40 range player. And if you give him a red shirt ear with the right coaching and this is another conversation we'll get into here when we get to the, the NFL caliber players or the guys who are in the NFL now, now you have something to where, yeah, you bought low and you can build them up into what he is physically capable of doing, which is being an elite perennial, all, you know, Pro bowl caliber left tackle. He has that kind of physical talent. It's just hidden under some bad body. And frankly, he's so strong and so powerful and so athletic. He hasn't had to refine his technique to the point you have to because Will Anderson's a lot different than Tennessee Martin or even Tennessee. [00:45:26] Speaker B: Okay. I just wanted to. To get through that and, and see what you thought. I think, I think left guard becomes interesting. They obviously been barged it last year and they. [00:45:38] Speaker A: I'm not sure they're not going to bend Bartch it this year. [00:45:40] Speaker B: Jake, I'm kind of with you. I kind of think Ben Bartch's injuries make it so that the market's the same. He remains at most a two million dollar man and they go, but damn, he kind of looked sick when he was out there. He did. And if we're going to spend a first round pick, we let the first round pick compete with him rather than drafting or signing Elijah Vera Tucker. [00:46:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:46:04] Speaker B: Who's sick but also gets injured a ton as well. [00:46:08] Speaker A: And I think it's still going to get paid. [00:46:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean do you, I mean let's mention four names. [00:46:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:15] Speaker B: Elijah Vera, Tucker, Wyatt Teller. [00:46:17] Speaker A: Well, okay. [00:46:18] Speaker B: Evan Jenkins, David Edwards, like, yeah. [00:46:20] Speaker A: So David Edwards is going to be too rich for the Niners. The Niners are not going to be allocating 13, 14, 15 million a year against the cap for a left guard. They're just not. And again, this isn't to say there has to be some level of pragmatism in the how we would do it ballgame. Like they're not going to do that. We have to be realistic. I'm not even sure David Edwards is worth that. So it's not Edwards. Ed Ingram probably gets priced out too. You and I have been talking about their need for maulers, just dudes who pack a wallop. Yep. I think Ed Ingram can do that. I think that he came on well enough late for the Texans last year that they're going to want to keep him around because they can't reshuffle it again. They just can't. On the offensive line. Wyatt Teller is a fascinating case because if Wyatt Teller can be had for 5 million a year again, you'd be derelict in your duty to not really push to get Wyatt Teller. Wyatt Teller is one of the best guards in football or had been one of the best guards in football. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:47:21] Speaker A: Things got real weird in Cleveland last year. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Everybody, they have a lot of like they had almost an all pro line and they started to sort of phone it in. Yeah, everybody on that line seemed to say fuck off. Like this is. I'm exhausted. Shadors running around. Stefanski doesn't want to be here. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Right. [00:47:40] Speaker B: Like that whole thing started crumbling and I don't necessarily know that it's reflection of what Those guys are capable of. [00:47:49] Speaker A: He probably lost a step, right. He's 31 years old. He played some hard miles. [00:47:55] Speaker B: You got to be careful with those, especially the guards who. Yeah. [00:48:03] Speaker A: He got benched for another free agent here. Forgive me. Tevin something. [00:48:09] Speaker B: Was it Kevin Jenkins? [00:48:11] Speaker A: It was Tevin Jenkins. There was a peculiarity to the benching. It came after he like defended Shador. It's very hard to get to the bottom of it because Shador is not even a person anymore. He's just an entity for conflict on the Internet, which I kind of feel bad for him about. He was a. This white teller's a fourteen million dollar a year guy. He is an absolute mauler who can move at the pace that the 49ers want someone to move at. He is. If this was five years ago, he's perfect. And you just give him whatever money he wants. You give him that $14 million a year contract, but it's not. And so now you're having to play the cost benefit analysis game. The number that I have is five. I don't think that that's going to happen. I think there will be too many suitors for him to have a low grade. [00:49:00] Speaker B: I mean, given what Aaron Banks got last year, we got to predict that some of these numbers. I tried to put some numbers in. I can't. Guard is a really hard one to predict. [00:49:09] Speaker A: Let me give you my name. And I'm not pretending as if this is going to get anyone excited, but if you have drafted someone in the first round with the idea that they can play guard for a year, maybe you're going to need some competition. You're going to need a backup plan beyond just Ben Bartch, because Ben Bartch is going to give you like 150 snaps and then explode. [00:49:29] Speaker B: And be clear, Connor Colby is also roster. [00:49:32] Speaker A: That's right. So the name that I like is Dylan Parham. Raiders fans know Dylan Parham. He was kind of a pariah there. He is not a Mauler. This is an Angles guy. This is an athleticism guy. This is a guy who fits their scheme, to be sure. But it's a buy low option because I don't think anyone's given Dylan Parham any sort of money. I think he's going to have to take a prove it deal. Here's my thought on him. He plugged and played in 22 as a rookie and did well. They give him the left guard spot in 23. He was good. Jackson Powers Johnson gets drafted. They move him to right guard. He has A foot injury. He looks terrible in 24. And then last year, Brendan Carroll was his offensive line coach. This guy has had, I believe, five offensive line coaches in four years, all of which have a different, you know, even if it's just five and five, it's not like we're dealing with 49ers defensive coordinators where everyone has to maintain the same scheme. So you go from Carmen Brisillo, who really liked him and is a very good offensive line coach, to James Craig, who gets fired, to Joe Philbin for nine games. And Joe Philbin's a good offensive line coach, but he knew he was a lame duck to Brendan Carroll, who is not good at this. [00:50:44] Speaker B: Full stop. [00:50:45] Speaker A: And I would, I would bet on, on Chris Firster to get Dylan Parham to be a starting caliber and maybe even a plus starting caliber guard in the league. I'm not sure he fits what you really want right now if you're trying to go up against Seattle. But if you're looking for budget quality, I don't know if you're going to do better than Dylan Parham. [00:51:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Where do we land on this? I think Budget Veteran is kind of where I'm, I'm landing here. Just, I think you look around and you go, these guys are going to all make 12 million. None of them like Elijah Vera. Tucker is kind of the one you want and he's not healthy enough. Like, if you can get him at five to eight, it's worth it. But if not, I'm landing on budget Veteran, which is not what I want to do. But it's like balancing how this team builds its line and saying, all right, we're gonna bring back Bartch, we're gonna have Colby, you're gonna have a first round pick where you actually then have like four legitimate options to start at left guard. And granted, it's not like an outsized allocation for a clear, clear, clear starting left caliber guard. But, like, you know, if Bartch is healthy, he can pretty much do the job. You know, Colby at least did it in a bit role, and then you're hoping your first round pick wins the job. And then if you bring in a guy like Parham as well, you're like, all right, like, these are, these are legitimate options. And as much as it's like you would like to spend on a real guy, I think they might get priced out of that territory. So I'm going to have them filling out the rest of the O line with budget vets. [00:52:15] Speaker A: And what about the Nuge? [00:52:17] Speaker B: Sure. I mean, but he's the same as a budget veteran. If you want me to. If you want me to say the Nuge, I can write him in. [00:52:24] Speaker A: No, I, I don't. I. To be fair, I don't. [00:52:26] Speaker B: How about this? How about this? Just watch this, watch this. [00:52:30] Speaker A: Okay, I'm watching. [00:52:32] Speaker B: There we go. [00:52:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I didn't spend much time with tackles, if any. I couldn't give you names there right now. [00:52:44] Speaker B: Yeah, tackles, I think it's pleasants, I guess, sticking around and your first round draft pick. Right. Is your sort of option there. Again, that's. I, I know everyone every year says time to draft tackle. I think this is a year where it actually might make sense. The cards like line up and they realize having get. Getting. What's the word? Dumpstered by the Seattle Seahawks, taken behind the Woodshed, whatever horrific terminology you want to use. They got dunked on. They got dunked on. And unless they put some sort of premium on it. And again, this is saying budget veteran. But I think the ideal first round pick right here, the guy that starts at guard and takes over for Trent for you in a few years and really packs a wallop. And a guy like Kaden Proctor, who while raw like has the physical ability where you can say that might change things for us. Right. [00:53:48] Speaker A: And you're now insulated. You got a little bit of a project. I think that's the play. This draft class absolutely plays to them at 27 when it comes to offensive tackle because there's, there's so many of them. What? [00:54:03] Speaker B: They were old. The Niners were old. Yellow. [00:54:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a, that's a good answer. I'm not looking at the comments. Apologies. I have too many notes here. Okay. Defensive line, it's really defensive tackle, right? [00:54:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So let's be clear here. Defensive end, you have Nick Bosa, you have Mikel Williams, you have Bryce Huff, you have Keon White. And I'm going to project that you bring back Sam. Oh, at the second round tender. Right. You can make an argument for less than that, but I do think he's actually a very good player who did a lot of work. He chased down a lot of run stops for them. He works hard. He can get home. I think more than is realized. The problem is when your rotation is just the second tier guys, it's just like the Huffs and Okawanus and you don't have like a clear one winner. That's where you get in trouble. Defensive tackle, I think becomes very interesting for this team. I think they do spend a draft Pick on it. If you're okay with it. I'm gonna say it's a fourth round pick. [00:55:15] Speaker A: We've used our first, our second and our fourth. [00:55:18] Speaker B: We have. We have to be clear, we have three fourths and a fifth. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Do we have a third? [00:55:24] Speaker B: So we do have a third round pick. I use that on tight end. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Oh, I missed that. Yeah, sorry. [00:55:31] Speaker B: Yeah, we used our first, second, third and one of our fourth. So we have one more fourth and a fifth. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Okay, so now we have to get one more defensive tackle. One more defensive end, right? [00:55:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And I could see defensive tackle going very early. Like I could see that being round one, two, three at any point. [00:55:49] Speaker A: If they find the guy. Let me give you some names here on defensive tackle. Let's start with the name that you and I both agree would be absolute best case scenario. This is where I'd give the money and that's trt. [00:56:03] Speaker B: Yep. [00:56:05] Speaker A: Run stopper extraordinaire. He is a plug and forget sort of player. [00:56:11] Speaker B: I'm putting them in this. I'm putting him in. That's who we're signing. [00:56:15] Speaker A: I'm with you. I love it. That would be great. I think there's real value there. That has some Puna Ford energy to it that I really enjoy. [00:56:25] Speaker B: Yep. [00:56:26] Speaker A: I'm going to run through a couple more names for you though. Okay. Just for this. And I'm glad that you're changing that because it was really bothering me on the screen. Sorry. [00:56:34] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:56:38] Speaker A: Logan hall is a three technique out of Tampa Bay. He has a. He had a really bad 25 season. When I watched the tape of Tampa Bay going into that game in what, week six, I really liked Logan Hall. I thought that he was a great gap shooter. I thought they held up pretty good in the run game. I think Logan hall, he's undersized to be fair. But as a three technique, Logan hall is a really fun option. I think you can even bump them outside if you need to. I do think David Onyemada out of Atlanta is going to be both too rich and too old. But he's a. He's a scheme fit if there ever was one at one Tech. Daquan Jones out of Buffalo. You want a run stopper? If I got a run stopper. [00:57:20] Speaker B: He's older. I think Buffalo kind of can't afford to lose him. [00:57:24] Speaker A: I'm with you. I'm with you. Jonathan Allen could be a cap casualty. Jonathan Allen's a very good football player. But then you're not getting tier tart because of the cost and Then I have two depth guys that I really want to see. Okay. If you don't go with the defensive tackle draft pick. [00:57:46] Speaker B: Yep. [00:57:46] Speaker A: These are the guys that I want and one of them can be considered. Not even like on the 53 to start. Like you can bring them into camp. I like Roy Lopez on the line. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, Arizona. He's a, he's a space eater. [00:57:59] Speaker A: He's a space eater, but he showed some real pop this year. He was fun to watch on the film. Roy Lopez, that's a 15 snap per game player that just does what he needs to do every one of those. [00:58:14] Speaker B: Kind of like a Mike Pinell type role with the. [00:58:17] Speaker A: Very much so. Yeah. He's kind of what C.J. west was late in the season in a lot of ways. He's just in there and I actually, you know, that's not fair because he had more pop than CJ and getting into the backfield. But he, he'll, he'll eat every block that comes his way and he'll find ways. I think he's a really crafty, clever player who really came on late last year for Detroit. So Roy Lopez, here's the guy that I really want them to get. Okay, you, this is, this is a deep cut, to be fair. Collin Saunders. [00:58:49] Speaker B: Wow, that is a deep cut. [00:58:50] Speaker A: Okay. Colin Saunders got tossed around this past year when Brandon Staley took over the Saints and he's not a scheme fit for their tight front and they're kind of 3, 4, 4, 3 thing that they do. So he gets traded to Jacksonville. Well, Jacksonville was figuring out what they were doing at the beginning of the season and they kind of changed the way that they dealt with their defensive front after a couple of weeks. So then they trade him to the jets and the jets suck. So Colin Saunders, 24 was really fun for Colin Saunders. And let's just be clear about what this guy is. He is a doughboy of the highest order who can do a standing backflip. That's it. [00:59:30] Speaker B: That's a beautiful thing. What about. Oh, you're. Oh, you're talking about Kalin. I was confused. [00:59:34] Speaker A: It's pronounced Colin. [00:59:36] Speaker B: Is it really? [00:59:37] Speaker A: I was watching highlights guy. [00:59:39] Speaker B: Colin Saunders. [00:59:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:42] Speaker B: I love him. I love him. He's. He is a freak athlete. He's done some beautiful things on the football field. I love that. [00:59:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I need him in camp. I need him just in there. Give me 10, 15 snaps of Kaylin Collins Saunders a game and it makes me feel good. Do you have any defensive ends? I didn't. I mean I don't think that they're going to be. [01:00:05] Speaker B: And there's like the ghost of Hassan Reddick. They like Kingsley Anne Igbare from Green Bay. I'm. I'm not sure how I feel about that. There's the all. Also Arden Key. Charles Amen. Who some retreads. We know they have a fetish for retreads. I think you need it. [01:00:24] Speaker A: I think you need another. Another kind of boomer, bust pass rusher type because you have Aanu and you have white behind Mikel and Huff still. Yeah, but like I think you need another huff type as opposed to a white or a. A Quadu type. [01:00:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. I don't know. Arden. Arden Key might fit that mold for them. [01:00:50] Speaker A: You're gonna have to forgive me. I'm gonna switch the tab here. We're just gonna look real fast. Obviously not Trey Henderson, Joey Bosa, Malcolm. [01:01:01] Speaker B: Koon, the ghost of Von Miller. [01:01:03] Speaker A: I mean there's something to be said for bringing back yet or gross motos. Do you think they're just over it? Probably. [01:01:08] Speaker B: I think his injuries. Yeah, I. Okay. One name. [01:01:11] Speaker A: Okay. [01:01:12] Speaker B: Kalevan. Chase on from the Patriots. He was a guy that like they weren't gonna trade. [01:01:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:20] Speaker B: After the season. Very interesting. Also Josh Uche in terms of. [01:01:26] Speaker A: Uche's been tossed around a lot. [01:01:28] Speaker B: Other former Patriot. Like I think there's. But I think Chase On's gonna go for a lot. He's gonna go for. [01:01:34] Speaker A: I think OTC just had him above 10. [01:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I think he's not going to really be an option. I think if you wanted to steal Boye Mafe from the Seahawks, that's an option. [01:01:45] Speaker A: He's gonna be expensive too. [01:01:47] Speaker B: I agree. Josh Uche is a name that if you want to talk about a bit player with some pass rushing ability. He's intriguing to me. Oh, Drake Jackson. [01:02:00] Speaker A: There you go. [01:02:01] Speaker B: Remember Drake Jackson. [01:02:04] Speaker A: Al Quadin Muhammad is one of the more underrated players in all of football. [01:02:08] Speaker B: I agree. [01:02:10] Speaker A: I imagine that he's like 15 mil a year. Like I can't imagine someone's not going to pay 31. [01:02:16] Speaker B: I don't know that he's going to get that much. [01:02:19] Speaker A: What's he estimated at 10? I mean, he had an awesome campaign. [01:02:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:23] Speaker A: Just awesome. If the market can come back a little bit into single digits, shout out Bob Fitzgerald like there's something to be said there. [01:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, listen. So you know, I think Tim has brought up. Kawakami has brought up the trade for Jefferson. I don't think that's Happening. I think the notion of trading for Max Crosby, sick. But I also think that's going to cost them a little bit more than they want to. And other teams will say, we'll trade you anything you want for Max. I just think there are other teams that will have more of an appetite to trade for him. And I'm still not sure that Brady says, yeah, we'll let him go. [01:03:06] Speaker A: Michael Clemens is a guy we talked. [01:03:08] Speaker B: About a lot, but that's not a pass rusher. [01:03:11] Speaker A: No. [01:03:11] Speaker B: You know, that's, that's a physical sort of edge setter. Yeah. I think in, I think Josh Uche is a name that if you wanted to take a spin or you say Hassan Redick, like one of those guys who's just speedy off the edge, has a little pop and you say, all right, that, that intrigues me. Maybe you go that route. I think you, you would have to go someone with a little bit of burst. But again, these are, you know, Reddick's an older guy. [01:03:40] Speaker A: Dennis. [01:03:41] Speaker B: I almost, I was just about to mention Dennis Gardine. I love him. [01:03:46] Speaker A: Yeah, just a really solid player. Weird scheme guy. Definitely a depth. [01:03:54] Speaker B: I don't believe a 3, 4 outside edge, rusher more than an actual edge. [01:03:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that's, that's where I'm at. I don't think he fits, but I do like him as a football player. [01:04:03] Speaker B: He always makes six plays. You go, Dennis Gardick, what a guy. [01:04:08] Speaker A: D.J. wanham. [01:04:10] Speaker B: Okay. What about Jalen Phillips? [01:04:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I like Jalen Phillips. I can't imagine Jayla Phillips isn't going to get paid and I can't imagine that. I know, I know somebody single handedly. Look at them. He's evaluated at 22,9. Like that's ridiculous. I wouldn't pay him that. But you know. Yeah, it's not a great class for this, frankly. You can bring back. [01:04:31] Speaker B: What about, what about David Ojabo who's not actually done anything but does have elite athletic traits. If you wanted to say, let's spin the wheel. Yeah. On athletic traits. That's a guy that I think makes sense. [01:04:46] Speaker A: Same thing here with like a quiddy pay. [01:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah, listen. I mean they have some options in terms of depth pieces, but in terms of like an elevator, I think they have a strong five. If you bring Okawano back. Strong five. [01:05:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:01] Speaker B: But I think you do need an additive piece and I would, I think ideally that comes a defensive tackle, which is why, like I think realistically, offense, I think first round, that pick I think is defensive tackle, offensive tackle or wide Receiver. I really think those are the only three ways that goes at this moment in time. I mean, they can always draft an edge rusher. I don't really think that makes sense. [01:05:24] Speaker A: Okay. [01:05:25] Speaker B: If somehow, you know, the tight end from Oregon Falls, which he won't, to 27, that's an option. But I really think pick 27 has to be O line, wide receiver, defensive tackle. And that's typically how they. They view it anyway. Right. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Let's move to linebackers. This is a good. [01:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah. What do you, what do you want to do here? [01:05:49] Speaker A: I feel good about where they're at with linebacker. [01:05:51] Speaker B: Here's. [01:05:51] Speaker A: Here's my thing too. [01:05:53] Speaker B: Not. [01:05:54] Speaker A: Not where they're at. I'm sorry, where the market is at with linebacker. I feel like there's really good options. I think you sign two. [01:06:05] Speaker B: Okay. [01:06:06] Speaker A: And I think that you need to bring in somebody to compete with D. Winters on a snap by snap basis and training camp for the number one job there. [01:06:17] Speaker B: Okay. [01:06:17] Speaker A: And then you need to get another person who, if that person doesn't go snap for snap with DE Winters for the weak side linebacker job, can go in there and do the exact same thing. I will say Gifford is a real likelihood given his value on special teams. So I would say that. I would say the right answer is Luke Gifford at 5 there. [01:06:45] Speaker B: I would say a very strong name is Quincy Williams, who I would bet Bob Sala is taking a look at. He had a very down year for the jets, but looked pretty fucking phenomenal for them for quite a while. [01:06:59] Speaker A: Let me give you four names that I like. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Yep. [01:07:03] Speaker A: Christian Harris, Texans. Cheap, fast. Had a calf injury in 24. Couldn't see the field because Al Shayer didn't get suspended, so there was no way to get on the field. That linebacker room is as good as it gets. Christian Harris is a very good linebacker. Fast again, fast and coming from Houston where, you know, he's been taught how to weaponize his speed. Another guy, pun intended. EJ Speed on the Texans. High iq, high speed, plays a little bit lighter. Niners don't mind that. Those are two guys that I think can be had on the cheap. There might be a little bit of a market, but scheme fit, perfect opportunity perfect. Hey, you know you're not going to get a number one job anywhere. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Yep. [01:07:52] Speaker A: Come and compete for one here and I think both of those guys would be awesome. Two more names. Troy Anderson with Atlanta. Very fast. Montana State can't stay healthy, so he's going to have to be on a prove it situation. This is one of Those. I also think you can play Anderson at Sam, and he'll be a good special teamer for you. So that could be an interesting Gifford replacement. [01:08:14] Speaker B: He's a specimen. [01:08:16] Speaker A: When he's a specimen, he isn't. And that's probably why he constantly gets injured. And then a guy that I really liked back in the day out of Mississippi State, Willie Gay. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:26] Speaker A: Willie Gay got caught in a very strange spot with the Dolphins last year where he's behind Jordan Brooks. [01:08:33] Speaker B: And all of the Dolphins were strange last year. [01:08:36] Speaker A: They had one good position group, which was linebacker, and they could. Gay was really good in preseason, really good in training camp. Everyone's saying, hey, this is a really nice pickup. And then he can't see the field because Jordan Brooks is in front of him. And they don't train him to play Mike. So they're rotating all these guys at Mike, but they never teach. I mean, this is a detriment to Willie Gay. He wasn't good enough or they didn't deem that he was detailed enough or communicative enough or whatever to play Mike. So he just sat on the bench and was really good in special teams. I think he has to be a lock. I think that if I'm prioritizing, understanding cost benefit and all that, like, I think you have to go get Willie Gay, and I would say Christian Harris, if you can. [01:09:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. One other option. He. He's kind of fallen off with the injuries, and he's undersized. Malcolm Rodriguez, but he is still. [01:09:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I never liked Malcolm Rodriguez. [01:09:33] Speaker B: I know, I know. He's. [01:09:34] Speaker A: What about a Jerome Baker with Cleveland? [01:09:36] Speaker B: Jerome Baker's been washed for a minute now. I think. I'm not loving that. [01:09:41] Speaker A: Okay. [01:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean. [01:09:44] Speaker A: But. And for what it's worth, Quay Walker would be the best option here. He's too expensive. You're not doing it. [01:09:50] Speaker B: Agreed. I mean, Chaz Surratt. [01:09:53] Speaker A: I'm not against it, but that's a. That's a pure specialty. [01:09:56] Speaker B: Bargain. Yeah. Bargain basement. Yeah, There's a lot of bargain basement options. I think that's. I realistically think, like, if them. The way they decide to handle linebacker tells us a lot about what they think of Martin and Winters pretty immediately. Because if they spend any money, if they spend anything more than 2 million for a guy that they think is going to be a special teamer, then they. They're telling you. We don't think those guys have. I think you. You bring in two budget vets. [01:10:29] Speaker A: That's right. [01:10:30] Speaker B: And. Or one of. Let's Say an undrafted free agent, for one. It's the same thing. It's the exact same thing. [01:10:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I would. I'd leave it at budget veteran, if you don't mind. All right. All right. I like this class of free agents. [01:10:43] Speaker B: And you could argue drafting a guy, too. I'd be completely fine with that. [01:10:47] Speaker A: But then you're moving on from Martin or trading Bethune or Winter, something like that. [01:10:53] Speaker B: You're not, I believe, if I'm not correct, if I'm not mistaken, we have two draft picks remaining to use. [01:11:00] Speaker A: We do. And it sounds like we're going to use one on cornerback and one at safety. [01:11:04] Speaker B: Would you. I would say cornerback over safety. [01:11:08] Speaker A: I would go in first. [01:11:10] Speaker B: All right. We're gonna go fifth round draft pick at corner. Yeah, I think that makes sense. [01:11:14] Speaker A: Just where the class is as it stands. I think that better players are going to follow. To you in the fifth at corner. [01:11:19] Speaker B: We're gonna go Diamador, Lenore, Bernardo, Green, Right. Upton Stout, Saran Neal. [01:11:26] Speaker A: I keep them, frankly. [01:11:28] Speaker B: Yep. [01:11:30] Speaker A: Jacob Robinson is your backup nickel. [01:11:32] Speaker B: Let's move Daryl Luder up here to CB3. [01:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know what Saran Neal does, so that's. [01:11:40] Speaker B: I don't either. I don't either. [01:11:42] Speaker A: Like, I know what he does on special teams, but, like, I don't know if he's a safety or a corner. Like, it doesn't. [01:11:46] Speaker B: I agree. [01:11:47] Speaker A: Who Was that in CB5 before? [01:11:50] Speaker B: It was. It was Looter. I moved looter to CB3. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Yeah. Budget veteran. I don't really have any names at corner on budget. [01:11:59] Speaker B: I don't either. I. I feel like they're gonna run it back with this group. People. When a high draft pick like Renardo Green or someone has like a pretty ignominious moment and then everyone goes, oh, they say trade him, get rid of him. That never makes sense. That never makes sense at all. [01:12:17] Speaker A: You keep guys 7, 4 million. [01:12:19] Speaker B: You keep guys on the rookie deal with high level talent, especially when you count on them. And as much as Green has frustrated them and was it made some damning mistakes this year, still has high level talent. And this is like the make or break here form. It's like, what do you do with him? This decides it. I still think he's head and shoulders above Daryl Luter. I don't really know what Looter does all that well other than be large, but I think. I think drafting, drafting a corner fifth round, bringing in a budget vet, maybe keeping Saran Neal, maybe not, but probably at 1.75 for a special teamer. Yeah, I think that makes sense. And then Jacob Robinson gets to compete for a roster spot. [01:13:01] Speaker A: Let me throw you some names in the range here, okay. Chandler Rivers out of Duke, Takario Davis out of Washington, Damani Jackson out of Alabama, Dale and Everett out of Georgia. Hazekia Massis out of Cal, trade on Stux. There are some names this year. Trade on Stinks out of Arizona, Jermaine Matthews, Ohio State, and then I'll say Ricardo Hallman, Wisconsin, and Devin Marshall, NC State. I have no opinions on anybody but Hazekia Masses. And that is a rudimentary opinion as it stands. [01:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm just my favorite corner in this class. Going back to last year's Avion Terrell. I think he's phenomenal. He won't be there. [01:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah, he looks like he's gonna be top 20. I've already heard some buzz on him. [01:13:50] Speaker B: He's sick. Yep. Safety. I think this is where we spend our last fourth round pick. [01:13:58] Speaker A: That is right. [01:13:59] Speaker B: Which is 133. Is that correct? [01:14:02] Speaker A: All right, I'll throw you the names. Apologies. Yeah, sorry, I'm just making sure you're not actually seeing my. My notion page here. I hadn't actually checked. What was the number again? Apologies. [01:14:15] Speaker B: 133. [01:14:16] Speaker A: So Jalen Kilgore out of South Carolina. [01:14:19] Speaker B: Genesis Smith is Genesis Smith. [01:14:21] Speaker A: Arizona. Lewis Moore out of Indiana, Bud Clark, tcu. Michael Taff, Taffy Taffy out of Texas, Bishop Fitzgerald, USC out of Texas Tech. Yeah, this. This is a tough safety class because you have one surefire possible future hall of Famer. And then like a bunch of like four or five third rounders and then everything else just who the hell knows which. You know what that's kind of like. [01:14:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, is there a case here for saying we're going to go get a starting safety and everyone else has to fight for the second job? [01:15:00] Speaker A: I'm glad you asked, Jake, because I have a couple names that might be of interest here. The guy that I would go get if you were interested in getting a starting safety for The San Francisco 49ers is Aloha Gilman, who was on the Chargers for many years and then was traded to Baltimore last year, I believe as part of a deal for. Was it Uche somebody, defensive end. They. They included him in that deal. I think he's going to be about 7 million a year against the cap, which for a safety is really saying something. [01:15:33] Speaker B: Right. [01:15:33] Speaker A: Aloha Gilman is a hell of a player and, you know, a true free safety. And that's kind of what I'm looking at here. You have enough, you have enough strong safeties. And as much as you and I are Marquis Siegel guys, you need somebody else who could play the goddamn position. [01:15:48] Speaker B: So I think safety tends to be a cheap position though. And, and once that first wave goes, some guys tend to be available out there now. Most of them tend to be strong safeties. [01:16:01] Speaker A: Yeah. But yeah, so here two names there, Gino Stone and Andre Cisco. Andre Cisco is a name that we talked about on this channel before. He's a true free lanky. [01:16:12] Speaker B: Nick Cross is awesome, but he's more of a strong. [01:16:15] Speaker A: Yeah, Andre Cisco's in that Armani hooker mold, kind of just back there playing looking like a small forward. Geno Stone isn't actually that good, but he is a free safety. Another guy that I like. If you're really looking to mix things up or if you're trying to seriously upgrade because J or Brown, who the hell knows, whatever, you're not going to actually play him at big nickel. Whatever. Dane Belton played a big nickel for the Giants this year and made some stuff happen. He'd be an interesting cam curl also. [01:16:51] Speaker B: I still think is a really good player. [01:16:52] Speaker A: I, I'm of the understanding that the Rams want to keep him. [01:16:56] Speaker B: I, I would expect that as well. And he's also not going to be cheap. I think, I think maybe we change it to budget veteran and we allocate this, this last remaining pick somewhere else. Given what we just saw. [01:17:10] Speaker A: That's two hundreds. [01:17:13] Speaker B: Yeah, let's say, let's say another budget bet. Okay, where do we want to reuse that fourth round pick? Because we could go offensive line again. [01:17:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say offensive tackle. I go ot nine. [01:17:24] Speaker B: Let's do it. Let's do it. This is pick 133. Great. [01:17:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I would get the specific tackle there. Or I guess it could be a guard. It might. [01:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be anyone. I mean, I mean they love like guys who were like, is he a tackle? Is he a guard? [01:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Going full packers there where they just get a bunch of 6 foot 4, 320 pound dudes and they're like, just play. [01:17:44] Speaker B: But that is one today that is allocating a fourth, fourth round, a first round pick, second round pick, third round pick and two fourth round picks all on offense. [01:17:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:59] Speaker B: I think that's the way to go. And that's also while bringing in Charlie Kohler, that's bringing in Tyler Algier, that's bringing in Romeo Dobbs. [01:18:09] Speaker A: How much is I Think how much does that screw us in terms of cost? And for what it's worth, by the way, that's 63 guys. [01:18:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And so. And so the number that. This one. This one's a little bit closer because this isn't taken into effect, the top 51 rule. So it's more like you have 20. You have 20 million in cap space after that. And that's with. That is with, let's be clear here, extending Trent Williams. If you don't do that, you restructure Nick Bose's deal. So either way. And we could also do both if we wanted to. So that's giving us, like, $20 million, which the 49ers love to have. Like 20 million in case of. In. In case you acquire someone or anything. And they usually like to have more money than that, which, again, if you decide to restructure Nick Bosa, it looks a little bit more like that. So, yeah, do what you want. I'm gonna. [01:19:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I'm, I'm. I'm optimistic about this because this maintains your offensive level. Without a George Kittle, obviously, you're going to take a hit, a tight end, no matter what. You don't have George Kittle. But bringing in Algier gives you the best possible insurance policy at running back to where you're not having to see if Jordan James can be the full load. You bring in exactly what you need at wide receiver, and he's young, on top of, you know, another draft pick, and then there are enough budget veterans to kind of fill that, fill out the rest of the roster. That way you're not relying on Jacob Cowing or Jordan Watkins, and you build for the future with your offensive line, which you're going to need to do. Like, you have McKivitz under contract. You like puny. It'd be great if there was an obvious answer for what you do at guard, but it isn't. And so you just roll with the punches there. You have two draft picks, Colby, two veterans, even the Nuge. Somebody can play guard from that. That group. [01:20:14] Speaker B: And I also think if you say, you know what, fuck it, let's restructure Bosa, and let's go actually get, like, a safety. We feel confident. [01:20:22] Speaker A: What if. [01:20:22] Speaker B: What if they say, hey, we're actually gonna, like, bring in Jaquan Brisker, Jair Brown's old teammate, and let him play next to each other because they can communicate because they. They went to Juco together and they went to Penn State together. Let's throw 12 million at I mean it's good. Maybe more than that. I mean it could be a lot for Jaquan Breaker, but like be a lot. Yeah, I know, but it like I, I would have no real problem with that. [01:20:48] Speaker A: And listen, you will run up on some issues in that, you know, 27, they're already capped out. So there will be some, some issues. [01:20:59] Speaker B: But they're not quite capped out. So if you actually go through and you do the math, it's bad. But, but once you take into effect and you do the cap calculator and you go to the Niners, if you post June one, Brandon Ayuk, which by the way, to be clear, do you. [01:21:15] Speaker A: Think they should post June one up? [01:21:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:19] Speaker A: I mean why wouldn't you just take the hit? [01:21:22] Speaker B: Because they don't like doing that. [01:21:23] Speaker A: Yeah, but wouldn't. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Because you eat, you eat double the amount. You go from 30 million in cap space to 15 million cap space and that opens up 30 million next year, 35 million next year, which is maybe the way to do it. But they love to roll money over. So if you post June one, it opens up 6 million and then about 20 million more next year. So you can do it either way. And, and again, this might not be accurate because I don't know how the guarantees and the weirdness of the contract being canceled out, I don't know how that works. So there's a route where it's actually less. But either way a lot of that comes off your books and they're immediately, just by that move alone going to go to having positive room and they're going to carry over, you know, at minimum $10 million into 20, 27. [01:22:11] Speaker A: So they'll be fine, but they won't have much room to add. [01:22:15] Speaker B: I agree, I agree. [01:22:16] Speaker A: And that's get it done now. Get it done now. [01:22:19] Speaker B: Which is why I think I'd lean more to restructuring BOSA the following year when his cap numbers 52 million. And I also think extending Trent, where he's gonna have a void year next year of 28 million dead. If you go into Trent Steel and say let's extend him now, then you can go, all right, let's have Trent, Instead of being 38 this year, hit for 22 or 25. And then we're going to say Trent, we're going to give you a 40 million dollar signing bonus for a two year extension and then it's going to say 22 million, 28 million, 28 million and then another void year and you know, four years down the line at the Very least that flattens the curve with his cap hits and it gives you a little bit of leeway. I mean, if he retires, you're. But you're kind of retired. You're kind of screwed if he retires regardless. So yeah, there's. [01:23:15] Speaker A: Yeah, you just have to eat it because there's no. Even. If you do this insulation on the process that we just ran through, you're going to be fucked no matter what. But they're going to touch like Trent Williams immediately. [01:23:29] Speaker B: They're going to do something with Trent's money and. Or Boses. I don't think those numbers both stay. I think there's too much to be opened up there. And also keep an eye out for the Trent thing because Jeremy Fowler, very sharp guy throughout. Keep an eye on that. Again, I'm not saying, I'm not saying Trent's gonna go. I don't think they would let him hit free agency. But I think Trent likes to get paid and is very effective at getting paid. And the 49ers still haven't built themselves any insurance policy, which again is why drafting an offensive tackle does a little bit of that and maybe, maybe gives you a little bit of like Trent, like if you don't come to the table and, and we're gonna, we're still gonna pay you, but it's going to be high 20s and not deep into the 30s because you're 38 years old. [01:24:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Coming off of injuries as well. [01:24:18] Speaker B: Now the other, the other problem with that is that you don't have that money for free agency, which is maybe why you restructure Bosa from the start. [01:24:26] Speaker A: Also thought there's also a restructuring Kittle. [01:24:32] Speaker B: Which also very briefly, Josh Williams is a guy that is being interviewed for general manager jobs. Just was interviewed by the Falcons. The Niners don't want to lose him. Let's be clear. I think he's one of the sharper guys they have in the front office. [01:24:50] Speaker A: I don't think he's ready to be a GM just yet. But someone might disagree with that. [01:24:55] Speaker B: Someone might disagree with that. I will say with next year's talent pool, they would not be upset to have an extra third round pick. [01:25:06] Speaker A: Yeah, you already heard Kyle bitching about not getting one for Bob. [01:25:10] Speaker B: I also think the element of some of the stuff that we gamed out is consider who's leaving and what sort of compensatory picks might be available. If you let guys leave, you're gonna get one for Burford, but that gets canceled out when you bring in A guy like Romeo Dobbs. [01:25:32] Speaker A: Totally. [01:25:32] Speaker B: You're gonna probably get one for Juwan Jennings. Another reason Juwan's gone. And so if you bring in Charlie Kohler and Tiger Tart and a couple other guys, you know, does that get canceled out? I. I think it does. And you have to look at, like, who's the other option to go get paid. They could say, all right, we're gonna let Sammo leave and acquire someone via trade to replace that void. Because then we win the comp F pick formula. Because they are obsessive about that stuff. [01:26:04] Speaker A: Obsessed. We joke about this. Like, they talk about it all the time. Every single decision that they make, they consider the comp pick, which is such a cart before the horse thing, but that's how they operate. [01:26:19] Speaker B: And I think. I don't think they're gonna get a compact this year from free agency because I think it's going to be Burford and it's going to be Juwan Jennings. And if they bring back their guys, you know what, Maybe a team pays like 4 million to Kalia Davis and he gets in the formula, but he's. [01:26:39] Speaker A: He's in. [01:26:39] Speaker B: Or Jordan Elliott, he's an rfa. But, like, are they really going to match it? If it's that price, I think you let him go. [01:26:47] Speaker A: Oh, no. [01:26:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I think they like playing that game. I think they like playing that game. And so I think their number for free agents of. Of any value will be capped at about 3. So I think, like, it. It will probably not be all of Charlie Kohler and Romeo Dobbs and Tyler Alger. Tyre Tart. I think it would at most be three of those guys. I think they're gonna definitely sign a running back. They need to sign some sort of wide receiver and tight end. Yeah. But I would. If Tyer Tarts available for a reasonable pro, you have to sign him. He is. He's a beautiful man and football. So are all of you. We. We also have some contracts or, I mean, some comments to get to before we get out of here. [01:27:33] Speaker A: Let's do it. We want to start with Benali. [01:27:37] Speaker B: We'll start with Jorge Luis Sotello. Heartbroken over my Hurricanes losing versus Indiana, but still grateful for the content. Dieter. Yeah. This one's for you. Would you make an exception? Wear a Florida Panthers hat from time to time? [01:27:48] Speaker A: If I got you one, I have a Florida. I might not have it anymore. Shit. I covered the Florida Panthers for several years. Big fan of the Cats. Love the Cats. I'd be happy to. So the issue that I have with hats. Please do not buy me a hat is my melon is too big. It's just full, full bore. So the reason that I wear original six hockey hats because I love hockey and I had a Blue Jays hat that is a 47 brand cleanup. But they made for a stretch, no pun intended. One that fit size 8 heads and they. That's the natural ones. Forgive me. Here would be like right. They would just lay right there. It'd be like Fred McGriff dad hat. So I have to wear. I found all of the original six teams in the Giant head format and that's what I rotate through. [01:28:51] Speaker B: You got a five head. [01:28:53] Speaker A: I don't. You see I have. I have a decent enough forehead. [01:28:55] Speaker B: Peter's got a normal for it. [01:28:57] Speaker A: It's the circumference. [01:28:59] Speaker B: Cranium. [01:29:00] Speaker A: Circumference of the noggin. That's why all this loose juice. [01:29:05] Speaker B: That's why sometimes when I'd be covering the Giants back in the Bruce Bochy days, Dieter and Bruce Bochi would lock eyes and sort of do a mind meld thing that had to do with just the size of their noggins. [01:29:17] Speaker A: To be fair, I've never seen anything quite like Bruce Bochi said. [01:29:21] Speaker B: No one has. [01:29:22] Speaker A: I think it was an 8 and 3 ACE, which was. I wear a 7, 7, 8 typically and I'll bump up to 8 if it's a hat that typically runs smaller. I'm also 6, 9 and 300 pounds. So like there's some level of proportion. Bruce Bochy is like 6 to 220 with just. I mean it's literal melon. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you went to the market and got a watermelon and just stuck it on there and it's. It looks heavy. That was the only. You just like oh, that looks like it really hurts to have on your shoulder. [01:29:58] Speaker B: Heavy is the head that wears the ground eater. [01:30:00] Speaker A: I suppose so. What a crown it was. What a giant ridiculous crown. I will find my Panther stuff. I will wear it on the next show. [01:30:08] Speaker B: Benali isn't a QB you hope never plays. A luxury the 49ers can't afford. Plus they have Kyle Shanahan. Can't he win games with another first round QB looking for rehabilitation? Great, great question. I think that's why you have to strongly consider trading Mac particularly knowing I. I think a more compelling offer than a second is two threes. Like if you can get two threes, like one this year, one next year and. And do a pick swap next year, I think that's like a more viable route where you say like we're going to give you back a sixth or something in. Although they suck at drafting the third round, so maybe, maybe not. [01:30:53] Speaker A: Well, they did one. They did one time. [01:30:55] Speaker B: Well, yep. And they've been riding off that. But yeah, no, I really. I really strongly think you should consider trading Mac. The value is probably never going to be higher. He's so cheap in terms of affordability. He's the perfect stopgap quarterback. You know, he's going to fit in any locker room. He is. I think going to be. Teams are going to want him. I think some after. After sort of the first round of free agency, the picture is going to get a little bit more clear on that. And I think they will have some real offers to think about. [01:31:30] Speaker A: I think that first off, you say hopes never plays, but that's not a realistic hope. You have a tiny quarterback who scrambles around like a madman. You have to have a viable backup quarterback. [01:31:42] Speaker B: I agree. [01:31:42] Speaker A: Quarterback's the most important position. Backup quarterback's the second most important position. And, and I know that teams of galaxy brain themselves into it. But like ask the Broncos how they feel about Jared Stidham right now. Let me run through very quickly the free agents. [01:31:55] Speaker B: Jimmy Garoppolo. [01:31:56] Speaker A: Jimmy Garoppolo is one. Zach Wilson, Marcus Mariota, Kenny Pickett, Mitchell Trubisky. Who is Trey Lance? I'm gonna make a joke. You can. You can bring in Carson Wentz and ruin your locker room. Jeff Driscoll from back in the day. Sam Ellinger, who didn't want to start. [01:32:21] Speaker B: For what about. [01:32:24] Speaker A: Hell's an interesting concept. Easton Stick, Skyler Thompson, Brett Ripian, Tyler Hunley, Clayton Tune. You know, I. I wouldn't. Unless. Unless you. If you really think that Kyle's so good that he can fix Zach Wilson. [01:32:41] Speaker B: Because otherwise I don't think anyone can fix Zach Wilson. [01:32:45] Speaker A: No. So otherwise you have Tyrod Taylor. No. Gardner Minch is awful and can't run a ski. I know, I know. He runs the gardener in shoe offense. I mean, Malik Willis is about to go get 15 mil a year from somebody if not 20. [01:32:59] Speaker B: Right. [01:33:00] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's not a great. [01:33:04] Speaker B: You don't have a lot of options. Like I. Tyrod Taylor's 37. [01:33:09] Speaker A: I don't see a circumstance in which there's an actual viable player like Mac Jones available for like $3 million a year. [01:33:15] Speaker B: I do think the funniest option is to sign Tray Lance without far and I also. [01:33:21] Speaker A: Jimmy would be funnier. But yes, no, no. [01:33:24] Speaker B: The funniest option is to bring both and just reunite the quarterback room. [01:33:29] Speaker A: There you go. Sorry, sorry. [01:33:30] Speaker B: And. And to say, yeah, we're gonna have an open quarterback competition. We're gonna let all these guys. We're gonna let it play out how it plays out. I'm not gonna name a starter for the backup job. Yeah. [01:33:43] Speaker A: Okay. Here we go. I believe this is on Kyle. [01:33:46] Speaker B: This is on. No, no, no. This is on McCaffrey. [01:33:48] Speaker A: See? Yeah, he sounded depressed. His podium then said he'd welcome a split backfield block. Room cleanup does not inspire confidence. Yeah, I mean, he's going to take it on the chin. He was the last guy surviving. I got no problem with somebody being in their feelings after giving almost 500 touch, I think. [01:34:05] Speaker B: But I think it's more a question of like bringing in another running back and him knowing he might not have it next year. Yeah. [01:34:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, he's going to dilute himself, however he needs to dilute himself because that's what he does. [01:34:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:17] Speaker A: And it's an admirable quit. [01:34:19] Speaker B: Thomas. Sorry, Thomas. Love the show. We love you, Thomas. [01:34:23] Speaker A: Seven Canadian dollars. Now we're covered. [01:34:25] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:34:26] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Alberto. [01:34:29] Speaker B: No, he's not a free agent and he will get 20 plus million when he is. [01:34:33] Speaker A: This is Michael Wilson of errors. Michael Wilson, free agent after this season. [01:34:36] Speaker B: Kyle, last year was like, I love my. Before being prompted or anything, he's like, I love Michael Wilson. [01:34:42] Speaker A: It was like credible player. It was like on Monday they didn't play the Cardinals for another five weeks. [01:34:48] Speaker B: Yeah. The real Griff. We didn't mention it, but yeah, Debo is a free agent this year. That would be incredibly funny. [01:34:54] Speaker A: Lance and Debo and. [01:34:56] Speaker B: And Jimmy and get the gang back together. The real Griffs. I like Dobbs because he reminds me of Madden with big helmet. [01:35:07] Speaker A: Checks out. [01:35:08] Speaker B: Do you think he would be a better wide receiver if he did not have the guardian cap? No, because some guys have bosa. Bosa literally said it's heavy. And that's why he doesn't wear it in the regular season. And that's why he got the Shark one, which actually is apparently actually helped him with the concussions. [01:35:27] Speaker A: I believe that. I believe the Shark one is good. I think that playing wide receiver, you are in such helpless situations that whatever you can do to not get gator arms and to not have to worry about your health and safety beyond the obvious is a benefit. And it's going to be really interesting in 10 years when every high school kid in America wears a Guardian cap over a piece of hard plastic. And then in colleges, they're all going to wear guardian caps over hard plastic. And then in the NFL, everyone's going to grow up that way. And it'll be like visors in hockey to where everyone wears guardian caps. And it's like, how about this? How about you just wear the soft shell to start? [01:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah, but. And then people wouldn't use their helmet as weapons anyway. [01:36:14] Speaker A: And if they did, it would hurt them more than it would hurt anybody else. [01:36:18] Speaker B: Agreed. Would gravy. Falcons blocked SF from reviewing interviewing an assistant. Was it for a lateral position? Correct. It was not for defensive coordinator, which, by the way, not a single name has been requested publicly for defensive coordinator. Search again. Hey, if they interview. If they interview, folks. Great. Let's see what happens. It's been. Been a few days. [01:36:43] Speaker A: This is Daniel. This is Daniel Bullocks doing the full Ralph Wiggum. I'm in danger. That's what that told you? [01:36:50] Speaker B: Yep. One more from. From Wood Gravy. And then one more after that. Can the 49ers get more signing bonus back? Especially if they threaten to wait to release Iuk, assuming he wants to join Washington or play football at all? That would require them having a line of communication with Brandon Iuk, which, I mean, that was wild. I know we talked about it, but going. [01:37:13] Speaker A: He ghosted him. [01:37:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, just. Just nuts. [01:37:19] Speaker A: Yeah. He just really wants to play with his buddy. [01:37:24] Speaker B: Does he want to play, though? [01:37:26] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. [01:37:28] Speaker B: Yeah, no one knows. [01:37:29] Speaker A: And it. You know what? I'm not. This is going to come across as callous and mean, but I don't really give a shit because I don't think if you were making the minimum or something and you felt like the Niners were doing you dirty. Okay, then there's a conversation to be had. Someone's offering you, and you signed a contract that was like $30 million per year. You kind of forfeit your right to be a baby. That's what the money's for. Like, and. [01:37:59] Speaker B: And for as much as they've had contract issues and disputes and it's led to stuff, like, much credit has to go to, like, Debo and Juwan for the way they were able to get through that and, like, play and, like, play through stuff. And like, Debo never really lived up to the contract expectations, but he played and he, like, took some stuff on the chin and, you know, he like, snapped at media. But he also got a lot of dumb questions. Yeah, mainly. Yeah. Yeah. [01:38:26] Speaker A: Just for me yeah, you're getting paid an ungodly amount of money to play an inherently dangerous sport, albeit at the safest time it's ever been to play it. I just don't have a lot of sympathy for sort of, oh, you know, what's he going through this and that. Like, I, I just, I really don't because it doesn't make any sense and it feels like moral grandstanding for somebody who doesn't. I'm not going to try to put myself in that mind frame. Like, I just, I don't need to put on a cape for Brandon. Iu Brandon. I mean, there's irreparable damage to his own career. [01:39:06] Speaker B: I agree. Last question from hashtags Coming in late, but can you all address the questionable, Ricky and Renardo or traded this season takes. Sure. [01:39:15] Speaker A: Questionable is a nice way of putting it. [01:39:17] Speaker B: People like to speculate on things that draw attention. And Ricky Piersol and Renardo Green are high draft picks who played important roles for the 49ers and underwhelmed due to a variety of issues. And guy who's injury prone in Ricky Piersoll, it's very easy to say be done with him because it is pandering to fans. It is easy because fans are frustrated to say, this guy is injured, get rid of him. Frankly, it's stupid and trite and not looking at any sort of context about how the business of the NFL works and how rosters are constructed. And you can say like, should we trade him? Is there a move to make? Should we go get Brian Thomas Jr. That's, that's a question. But just in the abstract, to say get rid of a guy for the sake of getting rid of him or while he's on his rookie contract, while he has played very well when he has been healthy doesn't make sense. With Renardo Green, it's like, okay, you can be frustrated with him. You can bring in competition. He's also a guy that like, has had very key moments, has played very good coverage. And the reason they keep putting him out there is because they know he's really damn talented and that's why they drafted him in the second round and why he was an outstanding rookie. You can have frustrations with those players and entertain various conversations. But the reason that people like to say trade this guy, this guy should be traded and they put it out on platforms like this because it draws attention, gets people upset, gets people interested. It's an effective method of drawing attention. [01:40:49] Speaker A: Well, the, the NBA built an entire league out of this being their baseline model. And then they built a new collective bargaining agreement that doesn't allow for players to be traded as frequently. And they're facing the ramifications of it right now. This is lowest common denominator bullshit. And there is a conversation to be had about, okay, if you were to trade Ricky Pierce hall, because we can all agree on the baseline, it hasn't worked out great. [01:41:15] Speaker B: You might want a valid place of frustration. [01:41:18] Speaker A: Fair enough. You better come with. You better present reasonable options. And here's the issue that people will run into. There's no reasonable options available. The suggestion of you trading for Brian Thomas, that's a problem for a problem trade, right? [01:41:34] Speaker B: Correct. [01:41:35] Speaker A: That's it. Number two on the list. How do you trade them? The money, cost, benefit and out. Like you can bench Ricky Pierce. Ricky Pierce, I can be on the bench for all but two games. You're getting the ROI on that contract. You can do the same thing with Renardo Green. You've also seen the upside and they're in their second year in the NFL. They got two more years on a rookie deal. You run through it and again, just, oh, trade them. [01:42:06] Speaker B: People on rookie deals, how often do you see them getting dealt? They just simply don't. Because that's the business model of the NFL is you maximize your roster by getting basically free four year contracts out of young, cheap labor. And you maximize it. And that's how the NFL works and that's how you build a roster. [01:42:26] Speaker A: And listen, there's a conversation that we will have about if they pick up Ricky Pearsall's fifth year option, that's different. If that happens, then there's a lot more conversation about trading him. But it's, it's. You use the word trite, I'll use the phrase, you know, lowest common denominator. It is just ridiculous. It's empty. It's empty and it's vapid. And if that's the kind of content you want, shouldn't be here. [01:42:59] Speaker B: Go for it. Go for it. Go, go seek it out. But like, I'm not. We understand the reality of the NFL and shit's not happening. [01:43:07] Speaker A: It's not happening. Also, let me put it to you this way. [01:43:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:43:10] Speaker A: Let me throw one more thing on you. Do you think that if Ricky Pearsall was somebody that could be traded that there wouldn't be other teams making incoming calls about, hey, how do I get Pierce all? [01:43:22] Speaker B: Also, also a team that like needs is starting corner and wide receiver and is desperate for those talents at premium positions, that has young guys Those guys don't, don't get dealt unless someone's offering multiple picks. And then why would they do that? It doesn't. It doesn't make sense. It does make sense. [01:43:41] Speaker A: Yes. [01:43:43] Speaker B: Is you stick in with us as we start to get into the draft. [01:43:46] Speaker A: And the database has been built, Jake. [01:43:48] Speaker B: The database has been built. We're starting to grind tape. Here's what we need from you. If you made it this far, an hour and 40 something minutes in. [01:43:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:43:57] Speaker B: One, you are sick. You are true sickos and we appreciate you. One, go subscribe to the Hutch Report. If you haven't for free. Join. Join the folks out there. I've got some good stuff coming that's going to be part of our draft process. Two, feedback. Who do you want us to evaluate? What do you want to know? We are going to do some members only stuff that we intend to do throughout the process in terms of, like, guys we're looking at, but we want feedback. Like, who do you want to see? What do you want to see? What questions do you have? [01:44:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:44:33] Speaker B: Because I will also probably start doing some mailbags and the. And if you have any questions, I'll bring them all over there. I'll answer them in a written form and we'll answer them on the pod. So whatever questions you got, how you. [01:44:45] Speaker A: Can do that, you can email us at Dieter and Jake. D I E T E R A N D jake spelled like jake gmail.com and we can do it there. You can put it in the comments section of any video. You can do it in the live comments of any video. And honestly, if you're a member, we're going to answer it. [01:45:04] Speaker B: Yep. [01:45:06] Speaker A: So we'll do. [01:45:07] Speaker B: And we're going to get into stuff next week. We haven't locked down our schedule, but we're starting to grind, starting to grind through it. And we'll probably do a podcast after they hire Gus Bradley too. [01:45:19] Speaker A: Right. 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