Your Guess Is As Good As Ours | 49ers - Bears Week 17 Preview

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreigner and Hutch ending 2025 on the right note with some tape breakdown of Bears. We already did. We do 49ers on Tuesday. We won't talk that much about the Niners. You already know what we think about the 49ers and where they're at. But now you get to find out what Jake and I think about the Chicago Bears and say it like you mean it. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Say it like you grew up there. [00:00:28] Speaker A: I did not grow up a Bears fan. I did grow up there. I just got done doing a hit on 670 the score, which is always a strange pleasure to hop on, you know, a childhood radio station. The reason that I love doing what I do is because I listen to sports talk radio in Chicago. The reason why no one in the Bay Area likes me is because I grew up on sports talk radio in Chicago and thought that's how I grew. [00:00:51] Speaker B: Up on east coast radio. So people just don't get it. No one's angry enough out here. [00:00:55] Speaker A: No one. [00:00:56] Speaker B: People get peeved. They get annoyed. They don't get pissed. People are a base level in the Midwest and the East Coast. [00:01:04] Speaker A: You would be, too, if it was 12 degrees and raining somehow. [00:01:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. I'm telling you, the weather's not harsh enough. The weather's not harsh enough out here for people to be angry all the time. And that's, again, a good thing. [00:01:18] Speaker A: Yes. That's the reason that we. We live there also. You know, the weather's not harsh enough, but that doesn't mean it doesn't so suck. I say this from a position of extreme privilege, being in South Florida right now, but let's go through what I spent a nice chunk of Christmas leaving my family to do, which was watch Bears film and. Oh, actually, let's start with this. John lynch went on KMBR today, or so I heard, and two interesting enough, important enough notes that we'll start the show with this. George Kittle's a gametime decision that feels like gamesmanship to me. And John lynch did not throw cold water on Fred Warner returning in the playoffs. Vaguely in the playoffs, which is bold. That's interesting, right? Like, that's not gamesmanship, right? Like, there's no upside to telling people that Fred could come back. [00:02:12] Speaker B: Like, no, no. I think it's trying to give him hope. My read is probably that, like, Fred is like, if you give me to the super bowl and. And I'll. I'll find a way to be back. And John going, all right, well, Fred's. Fred's telling Me, he thinks, yeah, Chance. But I mean, I mean, for any normal human. Again, I looked into this. I. I did. [00:02:32] Speaker A: I know I did. [00:02:33] Speaker B: I did some research and I was messaging Dieter because I was like, what happens with these things is, is one person goes, oh, I think you could come back. And you go, where are you getting that from? What is. Right. Who did you speak to? [00:02:46] Speaker A: So it's like for most feeling in my bones. [00:02:49] Speaker B: Right. So for like, most people, like, return to full contact is like five to seven months around the injury, which is well after the season. But it says, you know, doing research, returning sooner than four or five months usually means the ankle just can't tolerate repeated cutting and collisions. Yet the tricky part is like, the window of him returning is like the window of, of ramp up usually. And even for like an extreme athlete, I think it's just like he dislocated an ankle. There's like, yeah. Even if the bones healed, like, the muscles have to, like, knit and, and get stronger. And then what people forget is, like, anyone who's sprained their ankle knows you're healed, but, like, you don't feel healed for like two or three months after the thing because you don't trust that it's ready. And then if you don't trust it and you go back into full action, that's pretty dangerous as an elite level athlete. Now, you could argue Fred's built different. [00:03:48] Speaker A: You know what? Like, there's no scientific. He might just be the Wolverine. Like, I can't tell you he's not correct. [00:03:54] Speaker B: He might just. And we don't know what treatments he's privy to. We, you know, like, yeah, good place. [00:04:01] Speaker A: To be in the bay. I hear that they got some hookups. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just so. Again, I. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying I can't fathom anything other than the Super Bowl. And even that feels like a very, very aggressive timeline. I. [00:04:16] Speaker A: It also, I mean, I think that you hit the nail on the head. It's. Fred is going to say yes. Is someone on the Niners, if he's somehow in this position to where it's at least plausible, is someone on the Niners going to say no? Because if any team should know, maybe we don't push it. It's the 49ers. Dre Greenlaw, also. I know it's not the same thing, but, you know, who, who else you brought up? Quan Alexander on Tuesday. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Kevin Durant. [00:04:46] Speaker A: Kevin Durant. [00:04:50] Speaker B: I'm just saying those are the ones I saw in Person. Both happen. [00:04:52] Speaker A: Tyrese Halliburton, you know, like, go down the line. [00:04:57] Speaker B: It's the thing of, like, okay, yeah, maybe Fred could play. But you were. You have this guy signed for another half a decade on a massive deal, and if that jeopardizes that in any way, once you get to the super bowl, you're like, let's let it ride. [00:05:16] Speaker A: Kinda. Kinda. And I guess the perk is that you don't have to bring him anywhere for the super bowl. Right? Like, he can stay. [00:05:22] Speaker B: Well, you can bring him to San Jose State because they're not allowed to practice at their own facility, which is pretty funny. Probably better facility. [00:05:33] Speaker A: They just got some new money in there. I mean, the other aspect of it is, and I don't advise anyone to do this personally, but Jerry Rice came back from an ACL tear in three months in the 87 season, and he said he was never the same. He played 13 more years. So it's hard to kind of buy into that. But he said that it was a mistake and he shouldn't have done on that. I. I appreciate Fred going for it, and if everybody says that, it's a. Okay. Because he's a one of one. Right. Okay, that's cool. But I. I don't want anyone to get their hopes up for this because even if he does come back, he might be on one of those scooters on the field, which I don't think is allowed, where he's just scooting himself around. [00:06:22] Speaker B: No, but he'd probably be. He'd certainly be better than Curtis Robinson if he was on a screen Again. [00:06:27] Speaker A: I maintain Curtis Robinson would have been better laying down on the ground. Someone could have tripped over him. [00:06:31] Speaker B: Like. Like you're trying to block a free kick real quick. [00:06:34] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:06:34] Speaker B: We'll take most comments later, but the risks of re injury is that, like, the ligaments take time to catch up. So it's like everything else might be healed around it, but if you bring him back too quickly, those ligaments are at higher risk of failing. [00:06:49] Speaker A: He's playing with a loose ankle. I mean, it just sounds bad and I know it's. It's the other foot than the one that he played through. [00:06:55] Speaker B: Broken loose ankle Might be a good sca band. [00:06:58] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you. I. I watch a lot of. Sorry. I will do this diversion because it is worth it. Some reason. The YouTube Music algorithm is really good. I'm not big out on the algo, but, like, they've got me pegged. Like, I'm finding new artists all the Time. And it's great. And for some reason, they're like, you know what? You feel like you could use some ska right now. Like some mid-90s ska. And I'm like, you know what? YouTube music. You're right. You nailed this one again. So it was playing Mighty Mighty Boss Tones impression that I get, which is one of the great songs ever, of course. And they played the video of them on Conan doing the song. And there's just a guy who just dances. That's his whole job. In the Mighty, Mighty Boss Tones. It's to just ska dance the whole time. And it's like, how do you explain that? It's like you go home for Christmas and it's like, so what is it you do? And it's like, oh, I'm in a band. It's like, oh, what? [00:07:49] Speaker B: That's like. That's like my favorite job that I've always wanted to do. I obviously can't do it. Is just to be a hype man who. [00:07:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:07:59] Speaker B: It's like when someone's rapping and you say like the last two, three lines of the. Because they're running out of breath. So you. You just say the literal last two lot, two words of the line. And it's an incredible job. Yeah, it's a great game. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Smoke all their weed. Just you say the last two lines. [00:08:19] Speaker B: You're just a Good vibes guy. You're just a. You're just a vibes hire. [00:08:24] Speaker A: It's just this. It's just not us. We're not the Good vibes guys. Okay, real fast, before we get into the nitty gritty. When you watch Caleb Williams, give me your one sentence synopsis on Caleb Williams, quarterback. [00:08:39] Speaker B: Backyard football. [00:08:43] Speaker A: That's interesting because I see. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:08:47] Speaker A: I see it here. Here's. Here's my takeaway. I don't think he can feel it. [00:08:53] Speaker B: No. [00:08:53] Speaker A: We talk about guys who can't see it. I think he can see it. I don't think he has any feel at all for playing the quarterback position. It never feels like he gets into a rhythm or there's a pace to it. There's no momentum to his play. It's kind of the antithesis of Ben Johnson's offense, Kyle Shanahan's offense, where you're just trying to, you know, get the chain links lined up. Every play feels like it's in isolation. And he is. I know that it's only a second year, it's his first year in a competent NFL offense, but he just looks easily tricked to me. And has no feel that. [00:09:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:09:34] Speaker A: We'll, we'll start with the, the third, the third down play in the fourth quarter with like 10 minutes to go against the packers when they, they check it at the line and the packers bring six and instead of, I don't know, doing anything, he just threw it into the stands from the pocket while they were in field goal range in a game that they were losing by 10 points and they made the field goal, which was kind of a miracle. Kyra Santos is pretty good, but like one of the all time dumbest plays I've ever seen a playoff quarterback make. He just, he just said screw it. It was. There's a lot of Derek Carr in his game, Jake. A lot of Derek Carr. [00:10:14] Speaker B: I have, I've never seen exasperated receivers like I saw on both sides. I mean, every packers receiver, even like before Jordan Love got hurt was like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Both of those guys. That was an exasperating game to watch because it's two young quarterbacks who, I don't know what they're doing, what they're looking at. They, I really don't yet. Caleb's interesting because, like Ben Johnson, he's putting a lot of like jumbo package out there. I think pretty clearly to say we are going to block with six and we're going to release everybody to give them a bunch of options and as much time as we possibly can to let him figure it out. I do think they are doing too much deep developing stuff where you're like, this is actually not benefiting him that much because if you play deep zone coverage or cover three or cover four, like, you have a pretty good chance of, of dealing with it unless he extends the play and then just makes a godlike throw, which is. [00:11:19] Speaker A: He can, he can. But here's the other thing. This was a fascinating stat that I pulled on him. So he can't extend plays. He's really good at extending plays. Sometimes he extends plays that don't need to be extended. [00:11:31] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:11:32] Speaker A: On plays that are over two and a half seconds, he has like one of the worst EPAs in football. He's minus 16.7 and he has the longest time to throw when he has time to throw. So if you were to just sort by long plays, he has the most time of anyone who's taking more time. [00:11:49] Speaker B: And Brock Purdy's number two, by the way. [00:11:52] Speaker A: But it's not beneficial, it's not beneficial for him to at least on epa because he makes some. God, he had A throw early in this game against the packers where he rolls out of the pocket and is completely diagonal and turns every ligament and bone in his body. [00:12:12] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:12] Speaker A: And delivers just an absolute money throw at 95 miles per hour. I mean, it was like, whoa, that is some impressive right there. And then you also see him just like miss seven yard outs. [00:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like he's throwing on the run for no reason. Like, it's just there's like a level of bailing in the pocket for really no reason whatsoever. It's just. [00:12:36] Speaker A: That's why I said feel because I think he sees the receivers, but he has no pocket presence. It's kind of. It's in a weird way, you know, Sorry, I was gonna say Malik neighbors. That's not Malik or not Malik Willis, who is the hell is the. Cam Ward was the quarterback of the Tennessee Titans. They just played them two weeks ago. I'm on top of it. And I thought that Ward had this unbelievable pocket feel and that really benefited him in terms of extending plays where he's extending plays for a reason because he feels the pocket collapsing on him. He feels the. And he had trouble with a gap pressure, but like he has problems with any pressure at all. He just has an arm that can deliver any throw anywhere on the football field. 80 grade arm. [00:13:19] Speaker B: My note was like, he's uncomfortable. He doesn't read in rhythm. But the arm talent, you know, compensates for everything. [00:13:27] Speaker A: And until it doesn't, I mean, it feels like these are the games. The Niners defense probably isn't the team to chat. [00:13:33] Speaker B: I mean, that's where I come back to is like, I look at it just. It feels like the Niners are a far more serious team and they could lose this game without question. That's not to say easily. They could lose this game. They just feel like a far more tightened up operation. Even the defense sucking, like whatever. I think I have. I have a weird level of confidence that the defense is going to make a few plays at some points in this game. And I do and I do think you can actually defend this Bears offense for like 75 of the time pretty well. Yeah, the run. The run game has looked good, but it. I also feel like the way the Niners played last week against the Colts run game, I was kind of impressed. [00:14:19] Speaker A: Yeah, they had a lot of really good fills. The defensive tackles. Yeah, well, particularly two defensive tackles. [00:14:26] Speaker B: Bethune helps just being physical. We'll see if he's healthy. [00:14:29] Speaker A: But, well, and Stout helps and we talked about that on Tuesday. Stout was huge in that game. He has to be huge in this one. Base is death, right? Packers played a bunch of base last. [00:14:36] Speaker B: Week and it doesn't seem like a dunes day is coming back this week, so. [00:14:40] Speaker A: No, no, they. They. I think that they more or less said that he's out for the rest of the regular season. A couple weeks. [00:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that sounds about right. [00:14:46] Speaker A: Their wide receivers aren't very good. I don't know how to put that. They're playing. [00:14:50] Speaker B: There's like DJ Moore and Moore's on. [00:14:53] Speaker A: And off the field. They try to do some full Debo stuff with. With more. [00:14:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Burden's not there. I like. Zacchaeus is okay. [00:15:01] Speaker A: Yeah, Zacchaeus is fine. Zacchaeus will always have a place in an NFL offense. But like you can't build the. The car out of. [00:15:06] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:07] Speaker A: The llama days, the Kias and then this kid 20 that they got, the undrafted free agent. Like there's a little something there, but like you can't be counting on him. [00:15:15] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:15] Speaker A: And let's Darrell Looters playing like. And then maybe you can like again. [00:15:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:19] Speaker A: A lot of this with the Bears. It's like I don't want to trust them, but like, I can't trust the 49ers defense at all because Johnson's so good as a coordinator. It just looks like he's going to get whatever he wants when he wants it. [00:15:31] Speaker B: He's going to take some real shots at Jair Brown in this game. [00:15:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:35] Speaker B: Like. Yeah. And I, I would. I would test them early and then test them late. And I think. I think they're gonna. They're gonna test the waters and see what they have and try and get into the rhythm of their offense, which they get a little. They get way too cute at certain times. [00:15:51] Speaker A: Yes. [00:15:51] Speaker B: You were more a fan of. Of the. Of the trick play in the. In the red zone that went awry. I think using it running back. Yeah. [00:16:03] Speaker A: If you don't know what the play is, sorry, it might not have made it. We're in Christmas. People aren't necessarily as plugged in. Appreciate you plugging in with us today, but they brought Cole commit their. Their actual one tight end that they use as a two tight end because draft picks and stuff. And he comes in and he goes under center with a wide stance, really stretched out the pants there. And Drew Dahlman, their center, snapped it to a. In full depth running back. It was. It was Manungai back there and he snapped it way over his head because he's not a long snapper and that's effectively what you were asking now, if you had John Weeks in there, probably alternate John Weeks. Did he make the Pro bowl or is he an alternate? He's a Pro Bowler as well. He should be a beautiful fire hydrant of a man who's delivered nothing but moneyballs all year. But, yeah, I think both teams ran like 10 plays in the red zone, the Bears and the packers, and didn't score. [00:17:02] Speaker B: They. I, yeah, that was not a good look for the floor. [00:17:07] Speaker A: No, it was. It really wasn't. And there's not. I mean, they were talking about fire him in Green Bay. [00:17:12] Speaker B: I mean, that was the other thing I was looking at is I was like, I was looking at this Bears defense and saw a lot of room for Kyle Shanahan to, to attack it. And I, I think they run zone, like, 75 of the time over the last six weeks. [00:17:26] Speaker A: It's Dennis Allen. [00:17:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's not that it's a terrible defense. It's just underwhelming in most ways. Like, they have some veteran safeties, which sort of helps brisker, I think. And Bard can't really move a lot more. Right. It's more cerebral. And C.J. gardner, Johnson loves to just do dumb, you know, kind of like a good player. And, and then kind of just loves to do the dumbest thing you've ever seen and start yelling into the void. I mean, this is, I mean, that's, that's. Why have him on the roster for more than two years. Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker A: Five teams in five years. And, man, you wonder why. It's because he just does, like, really dumb. But then every now and again, he'll always get a job because he does cool, too. I, I actually, my big takeaway on the Bears offense was that they have a real. You're right. It's probably too cute. They have a really cool scheme. Like, their stuff is awesome. Like, Ben Johnson's pass game is awesome. They don't have cool players, and you can't do cool shit if you don't have cool players. And sometimes they have a cool quarterback, and sometimes their quarterback is just anesthetic. Plays an antithetical game to winning football. [00:18:40] Speaker B: And Halfley did a really good job of just dial. He dialed up a lot of pressure. He dialed up a lot of pressure at Caleb, and even with the six, man, like, he had trouble just seeing where it was coming from. A reading. And, and I saw one play where it was great where there's pressure up the middle and he got rid of it real quick. To the checkdown. I was like, yep, do that more. Right. But it's not inconsistent. Like you said, there's no and. And I wish I had a better analysis in this, but it's just so uneven. There's no one thing to be like, he is a hundred percent this. He's a hundred percent. There's no rhythm. [00:19:15] Speaker A: It's just when he's at his. When he's at his best, he's like a max pack Dak Prescott, where it's just like, oh, my God. Like this. Because he's not like a great runner, but he can extend plays. He sees it. I mean, Dak sees it. Dax issue is feel and make, you know, pushing it a little too far with, you know, beyond his physical capabilities. Doesn't have the biggest arm, tries to force stuff in there. He's always going to be. He doesn't need a great run game like Dak Prescott. Sorry. Doesn't need a great run game to be a good quarterback. Some quarterbacks need that. He needs great wide receivers to be a great quarterback, so. And Dax having an unbelievable year. If the Cowboys were any good, he'd be getting a lot more MVP love. So that's like the best version of Caleb Williams. Like, Max packs Dak, which is a hell of a pick. And then again, I just. I saw a lot of Derek Carr, and it's like, you can't live like this. And I don't think Ben Johnson knows which one he's getting on. Any particular rep? [00:20:11] Speaker B: No. He's better stated his exasperation with him at times this season. He's been like, no, our quarterbacks play. Play is not nearly good enough. [00:20:21] Speaker A: No. And I do think that this is not the best way to analyze a football game, but, like, it does come into play. Like, I think the Bears are feeling themselves. I think they got away with an absolute miracle. Stole. I mean, definition of stole1. They had a 0.5% chance to win that game. They got an onside kick that never happens. They make a hell of a play on the end of it, and they just think that they just played this great game. And it's like, no, you lose that game 99 and a half times out of 100. And I think they're feeling themselves. You see Caleb at the podium this week, and he's just. He's got that. He's got some swagger to him. [00:21:01] Speaker B: It feels extremely. Commander Z last year. It feels like Viking Z from. What was it, 2022, the year that they had, like, a negative point differential and we're like 14 and three or something. [00:21:12] Speaker A: Feels like that they have six wins when they're trailing in the final two minutes of the fourth quarter this year. That's the most since 1970 when they started tracking that. They have the most late wins in the history of the NFL and they still have two weeks to play. [00:21:27] Speaker B: That's astounding. I mean, and if it works, maybe that's a skill. [00:21:30] Speaker A: But like. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Right, right. And you have to take that seriously. But it's like, I don't know. You predicted the 49ers don't play a lot of close games. And if the Niners just. Yeah, offense gets rolling and the Bears take time, it's like there's not time for that. I mean, granted, you could have like, what was the Lions game where the 49. It was like. Was it the season opener a few years ago in the 49ers? Yeah. [00:21:50] Speaker A: Oh, God. [00:21:51] Speaker B: That's a potential situation in this game. [00:21:54] Speaker A: 2019 season opener, I think it was. [00:21:56] Speaker B: Is that right? [00:21:57] Speaker A: They were up by like 30. And then it was like they had to put their starters back in. Blake. [00:22:01] Speaker B: Yep. That's a classic from that game ever since. He thinks about it every day. [00:22:08] Speaker A: It's. It's. This game has every aspect of a Big 12 shootout. Oklahoma, Iowa State, let's get after it. No one's going to play defense. And then at the same time, it's. I'm with you. The 49ers just feel more buttoned up. I do think this is maybe giving Robert Salah more benefit than he deserves right now coming off of that performance. But like, they fully committed to the one tape that they had going into Indianapolis and the one tape they had said that Philip Rivers was never going to put like that. It totally washed. And that ended up being true. But it sure didn't feel true for the first half. [00:22:44] Speaker B: Right. They were shell shocked for the first half. They went, what do you mean you're trying to throw it? [00:22:49] Speaker A: Please, please stop. We did like, like legitimately. They didn't prepare for it. And I always kind of scoffed. [00:22:54] Speaker B: 2021. It was the 2021 game. [00:22:56] Speaker A: 21. Okay, thank you. Appreciate was a while back, but it this game, they have more tape to work with. I think they have a better understanding of who quarterback is. And if we're just operating solely on two defenses trying to trick the other team into giving them the ball, like I'm going to trust Robert Sala, who's had to be thinking about stuff like this and having to commit full bore to like one style of play in which, like, we can take away one thing and that's if we're lucky, so we have to commit full bore. I kind of trust Robert Salah to do that more also. Again, kind of a vibes check. Like, the Bears think that they're doing really hot right now. [00:23:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Like they, the town is buzzing. Everyone thinks that they're, you know, hot shit. They're, they're winning. Meanwhile, everything the 49ers do is like, when's the other shoe going to drop? And Sal is coming off of a game where he got absolutely embarrassed. He's. He's, you know, he's not saying that, but you can feel it when you hear him talk. [00:23:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:58] Speaker A: And if he's, you know, if he's the coach that we think he is, like, he's bringing it. He's bringing it and he's throwing caution to the wind and he's going to make Caleb Williams put on an MVP caliber performance to beat him. And I don't think that Caleb Williams can do it. He might, but I don't think he will, you know. [00:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's. I'm in a similar spot. I just think the Niners offense is functioning it. I don't know what defense can really. Unless you get a defense that's like able to really press them and even like the Browns couldn't shut them down. Like that was the thing that shut them down. I don't know that there's really a defensive answer to what they're doing. The only answer is Brock Purdy throwing the ball away and not having Kittle. And I think that's a real. It's a major equalizer for the Bears. That said, like, Tonjas is a good receiving option and while they're like huge tells and putting them out there, I think you lose more in blocking with Kittle and that could be a problem in the run game. That said. Holy. The O line looks good. Like they look so good. Like they were. [00:25:04] Speaker A: I'll also add flawless. [00:25:06] Speaker B: Really good. [00:25:07] Speaker A: Piercel looks like he's coming back. So now you can, if, if you can game plan for that. If you feel confident in the. Okay, well, that's an element that you didn't have against the Colts. You didn't need it. But having a absolute elite level man to man beater, not that the, the Bears run much man to man, but just having a dude who can separate at a. On a whim, like, that's huge. [00:25:28] Speaker B: They mix it in a little bit. [00:25:30] Speaker A: Especially on third downs. Like as everyone does. But it's like, I'm not saying that Pearsall and Kittle are the same, but you did play this past game where you put five touchdowns on the board without your man beating receiver. [00:25:45] Speaker B: Right. [00:25:45] Speaker A: And if you get him back. Okay, yes. You're losing a weapon that can't be replicated and is a tell when you're, you know, switching out tight ends based on what it is you want to do. But, like, I don't know. Like, I. I would like to have both of them, but if you can't, at least you have one of them. [00:26:01] Speaker B: Yeah. If he comes back, that's huge. Especially against someone like Jalen Johnson. Although they don't really travel, so he'll see both corners and not a big Nayshaan Wright guy. [00:26:11] Speaker A: You shouldn't be. You shouldn't be. There's nothing there. Like, the bears are the 17th defense. Like, I don't know how to put that. Like, they are just so average. If you give them the ball, they'll take it. That is one thing they're good at. If you throw them the football, they catch it and they'll get a. They'll get a timely sack here and there, but they're basically just out there as parking cones hoping that you're not a very good driver. [00:26:37] Speaker B: I mean, and maybe the 49ers should take something from that approach, which is what I've been talking about is like, hey, just suck. But, like, get some turnovers and. [00:26:45] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah, the sock is consistent. Whereas the night. [00:26:48] Speaker B: Yeah, they have. They have a plus 21 turnover differential, 21 interceptions, which leads the league. [00:26:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:56] Speaker B: Also. Also fumbles. Feels like a. A crapshoot. They do have. [00:27:00] Speaker A: Dude, everything about this Bears team. Scream. You nailed it earlier when you said that. This feels very commanders from last year. Like, everything about Green's regression in 26, everything. But we're not in 26 yet. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Right. [00:27:13] Speaker A: This is probably not coming crashing on. [00:27:15] Speaker B: Yeah. This feels like they are a around and find out team. And I mean that both ways. They might. They. Because they're high on their own supply, and they might be like, we're gonna go into this game. We're gonna sling it and get rocked. But if you let. If you let them hang around and you say, all right, we've got this. They will punish you at the end of games. So it can go both ways. [00:27:37] Speaker A: I'm interested to see if this turns because I think that this. The potential is there for this to be just a complete quarterback v. Quarterback shootout. I wonder if both coaches understanding the state of the season we're in that both teams are in the playoffs. And the run games, which are the Bears run game has been good all year. They get so much movement up front. The. The trio of Dalman, Jackson and Thuney is like pretty damn awesome. Not perfect, but awesome. Swift, you know, Swift is such a good open field runner. Ben Johnson's like, what if we just created an offensive line that never got him touched? [00:28:19] Speaker B: It's like, you know, out there is. [00:28:22] Speaker A: He's a great run blocker. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I like their offensive line quite a bit. I didn't mention it. But like Dolman, the ghost of Joe Thuney, Jonah Jackson looks good. [00:28:32] Speaker A: No, he does. [00:28:32] Speaker B: Look again. [00:28:34] Speaker A: He looked good. [00:28:35] Speaker B: I know. It's. It's. I mean, older guys, it's weird. It's like you would expect the older guys to, like, you know, lose juice down the stretch, but it's like their. Their limbs start to warm up and they. They start to get going. [00:28:47] Speaker A: They. They. They have stayed at a steady pace. Veteran offensive lineman just play at that pace. And when defensive lines start the season, they got all this juice and all this fast twitch. That's fine. Offensive linemen are slow. Twitch, baby. We can run the marathon. [00:29:03] Speaker B: Slow twitch is a great. Is a great descriptor. [00:29:06] Speaker A: It's whatever the long twitch, muscle, whatever you want to call it, man. It's a marathon for the offensive line and these defensive linemen. Oh, we're firing or fire. Well, now you don't fire like you did anymore. Now I got the upper hand on you. Sorry, I'm getting all reminiscent of the back in the days, by the way. I never had anyone. I sucked. I was just large and they kept trying me there. But it's. It is. We see this with the Niners offensive line. I think we see it with the Bears offensive line right now. I don't particularly care for their right tackle. 58. I don't think he's good in either of them. Darnell. Right. I do think Ozzy Trapillo is a good. Is a good run blocker. Pretty bad. And pass pro. [00:29:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:43] Speaker A: Rookie, you know what you're getting. Not that any of that matters against the 49ers and their lack of pressure at all. They do a lot. [00:29:48] Speaker B: And that's why they put six out there. That's why they put six. Six offensive offensive linemen. [00:29:54] Speaker A: Well, and. And they do it with this. This. I think he's a Canadian guy. [00:29:58] Speaker B: And they had a Theo Benedict. Yeah, the guy who was a hard Knocks. Yeah, Legend. [00:30:04] Speaker A: They did a full house with him, with him and, and Comet in the backfield. Full house. And then they motioned both of them back to the line to go into like a really heavy ace formation. It was like, oh, my God, Ben. And this is what, this is why I totally understand where you're coming from with. They're too cute by half. It's like j so much extra, which does feel purposeful. Most plays, like, I'll tell you this, follow the motion in this game. So some teams do motion to get tells and indicators, some teams do motion to get free releases and, you know, lead blockers. The Bears are the latter. So, like, their motion man is the play. Follow the motion man. Like, if you're going up against 21 personnel on, on defense, you follow the fullback. Their motion man is effectively their fullback. And it's either to get a free release at the line of scrimmage for a wide receiver or to get a lead blocker on a stretch run. They get so much push up front. It's going to be really interesting. I think that the Niners have to basically take the same game plan they had against Indianapolis. [00:31:05] Speaker B: I, I'm kind of with you and just realize you're going to, you're going to get beat over the top at some point and just say, well, that happens. I was honestly, I should mention I was actually impressed with Jordan Elliott in this last game. I actually, I know you were. [00:31:21] Speaker A: You liked it critical. [00:31:22] Speaker B: I mean, I, I graded him out and he did mostly did a pretty good job. Okay. I, I don't know. I think, I feel like the, the Colts, once they lost Bortolini were just kind of, a, kind of a mess. [00:31:34] Speaker A: But like, you'll never quit him. You'll never quit Tanner. [00:31:37] Speaker B: I'll never quit Tanner. Bornolane. I was a huge fan. I was a huge fan. But, you know, I'm, I, I do think the defensive tackle group has gotten better. I think Kalia Davis is still exhaustingly hit or miss, and it's not a way to live, but he can sort it. Like Elliot has done a good enough job next to him when they're paired together to be okay. But I also think west and, and Collins starting to play together more like CJ west was like my highest graded player. He was a menace. And I, and I, I really do think that can be a differentiator. And now it's. You shouldn't really bet on rookies in, down the stretch of a season in the playoffs to be anything to count on. But he he was getting consistent push. And there's an element of, like, you could watch interior offensive lineman go, who. Who the is this? [00:32:26] Speaker A: His hands are so heavy. [00:32:28] Speaker B: I mean, when you, when you can split a double team and they, they just go, I don't, I don't know what to do. [00:32:34] Speaker A: Man, he was awesome. He was awesome. I also really like some of the stunt stuff that they did in the second half against the Colts, and I think that that's like. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Keon White, by the way, Keon White. [00:32:46] Speaker A: No one wants to talk about. Why didn't they get a pass rusher? They did. He's awesome. [00:32:49] Speaker B: He's good. [00:32:50] Speaker A: He's awesome. He's really good. And they can use him in the same way that they can use Mikel, though. He's more of a pass rusher than a run stopper, whereas Mikel's the other way around. But you can do a lot of the same scheme stuff, which is why, I mean, as much as I laughed about it watching the film, they were dropping defensive linemen back into coverage in that game. They hadn't done that in weeks. They haven't done that since Mikel left because they didn't trust that the, they had enough heft at defensive end to, to do that. And now that you have White lining up, I mean, they're doing a three, kind of a four. I three. Yeah, one four with a nine. So they're basically playing it down. Three tight front with a nine on the outside. [00:33:34] Speaker B: And he is playing with a level of energy like, I tracked it. He was double team more than anybody by far in that game. Yeah, White, because they had to account for him just in terms of, like, he's got a very high motor, he's very strong. He's not that polished. But it doesn't really matter because he's got strength and he can get skinny for a guy that's that big in a way that he shouldn't be able to do. And he's got enough size where you can kind of semi comfortably play him inside. He really gives him a lot of flexibility. [00:34:04] Speaker A: Cross Matos, too, in that same vein, I, I, I think. [00:34:08] Speaker B: And they, and they limited Samo because I think he's not fully healthy, but again, that's, that's a group. I mean, I would like to see less of Cleveland Farrell, but he plays hard. [00:34:19] Speaker A: He knows the scheme. You can throw worse people out there. I mean, he's taken more than Bob Beal snaps, but it feels like he should be in the Bob Beal role. The X factor in this game, I mentioned it kind of early. I feel totally errant in not bringing him up again and again and again. Like, if Upton Stout plays well, the Niners win this game. If Upton Stout does not play well, the Niners get gashed for 45 points. It's not as simple as just Upton Stout has to do this. [00:34:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:34:51] Speaker A: If you cannot play base against them, if you play base against them, you are dead. It's just a guarantee. [00:34:56] Speaker B: And can you just, like, expand on that? Why do you think Stout specifically. [00:35:01] Speaker A: Because you have to play nickel full time. You can't. You cannot play Bass. You have to play. [00:35:06] Speaker B: Do you think it's. It's the matchup with Burden or just. Just in terms of personnel and him having to be out there? He just has to play well. [00:35:14] Speaker A: It's both that. Yeah, they have. They have. You know, Zacchaeus is a professional receiver that they'll throw on the slot. They use the tight splits. So Stout is going to be there. He's going to have to communicate. The Niners have a hard time with bunch formations and communication there. So that's in. Stout has particularly had problems with that when he's on Renardo Green side. We've seen Lenore struggle with that as well. Like, they have a really hard time with the handoffs. They're not mentally where they need to be at certainly this point in the season. They never been there. They've just never. And then the COVID six, I think. [00:35:45] Speaker B: They'Ve had fewer coverage busts, but they. That doesn't mean they haven't got like, they. They're still getting beat. [00:35:52] Speaker A: Right. So. And. And I think their coverage is. Are simpler at this point. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:57] Speaker A: So. But they ran a lot of COVID 6 against the Colts and it still looked rough, but Stout had. Stout had some unbelievable run stops. And again, when you have an offensive line like the Bears that gets insane push up front. You need to have your linebackers play well. And so you have Bethune and Winters. You know, Winters is a tougher sell on this than Bethune is right now. But Bethune shedding blocks at the second level and making stops, he's a really good run defender. He's going to be attacked in this game on the pass game, and there's nothing you can really do about that because you need the run stopper Winters. You need him to protect pass first, but you need him to flash a little bit in the run game. Your safeties are doing an exceptional job in filling, you know, Jair Brown for all the smack I give him in coverage he is an unbelievable linebacker. You know, Malik Mustafa's better at both, so you can at least pretend he's still a safety and not a full Husanga Sam. But both of those guys want to be in the box and they're great in the box. So it really then comes down to, you know, kind of like a tight end. Like if you have a great tight end on offense, it's very difficult to square up. If you have a nickel who can stop the run, you can play base nickel the full game. You don't have to go heavy to try to stop the run on first and sometimes even second down or a short yardage down. And now you're putting the ball in Caleb Williams hand again and again and again and I don't think he is polished enough, nowhere near polished enough to be able to develop the kind of rhythm and the 10, 12, 13 play drives necessary to win this game. Whereas you just saw Brock Purdy for the last five, let's call it three games, do exactly that. [00:37:40] Speaker B: I think that's where I'm at in terms of like Stout in the run game is, is more of a question mark. I mean he looked great but like again, physical run game and physical runners like Manangai is sort of like a smaller sort of nowhere. No one's ever been a Mike Tolbert but sort of like those low center of gravity guys are really difficult. I remember when we were watching him coming into the draft, you're like, I don't know that he's like an explosive athlete but he is a pain in the ass to tackle and he does all the dirty work really well. And switch great short yardage back is a big back to deal with. So I think Stout being able to like again, I liked his tackling form a lot is going to be big, but I'm with you. I think Caleb can beat you in a number of ways. It's just he's not a guy that's shown he can do every single play. In order to say, I'm going to take this offense clinically down the field, I'm going to read the defense, I'm going to go 1, 2, 3 in my progression, stay in the pocket and really just dissect the defense. He's okay. I'm, I'm thinking, I'm thinking this is what Ben wants me to do. Okay. The ball goes here and then it's, oh, there's pressure, I'm gonna freelance. And then he forgets it for the next like four plays. [00:38:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:53] Speaker B: And it can be good or bad. But it's totally. There's not. There's not any level of consistency. And you saw it in the way like DJ Moore has been exasperated. Just like I don't. [00:39:05] Speaker A: What am I saying? [00:39:07] Speaker B: Right? There's been some weird vibes, things with that in terms of like, Caleb's just not playing quarterback the way that like, you would sort of want him to, which is to say they're still winning, he still makes six sick plays and he really can beat you, especially against this 49ers group that has a weak, weak safety issue and especially on deep cover. So, like, there's plenty of ways for Caleb to beat you. It's just, can he be consistent enough if you make him be the only guy that has to be. And maybe he can. [00:39:36] Speaker A: Absolutely. I mean, again, I think that they're going to put a lot of guys, they're going to flood one side of the field with receivers. They're going to put the Niners into a position where they have to communicate. And this is again where I say stout. I mean, I've been very positive about Stout, but he still has not shown his ability to handle bunch formations and to hand things off effectively. And. And then they end up just putting him in like a Cover 2 position where he's doing the, you know, the hook and it's like, oh, that's not good. That's not. Why bother? So there's that. I will add, you know, their tight ends suck. The Bears tight ends are not good. [00:40:10] Speaker B: So people would strongly disagree with you and say, Colston Loveland has come on and I can't block. I watch, I watched one game where he blocked a little bit. That was a few weeks ago against the Browns and I watched him last week and he was whiffing on blocks on the edge because they're not playing him at tight end. They're playing him at like X. H back. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Yeah, H back, X. They move them all around and they try. They really think that he's this like awesome, dynamic weapon, but he doesn't block. And he gets beat by guys who are 50 pounds minimum, smaller than him on straight up blocks. And this is again, when I come back to Stout, like, they want to run the offense in a way through Colston Loveland and not even Comet, who's better. And to do that, they, they use him as, you know, the queen on the chessboard. And if he doesn't win on blocks, well, they're running behind him. It's like he's not George Kittle. Like, I know that it's just so weird to me in these last couple of games that they're just, like, so Colston Loveland heavy. And it's like, what has he shown you to give you the impression that your offense can get to this level? And so I think that if Stout can beat Loveland, and I think he can, I think he can cover him, and I definitely. [00:41:26] Speaker B: I mean, the size is a differentiator, though. [00:41:29] Speaker A: But it hasn't been a differentiator for Loveland. It could end up being that this could be the game where it all clicks, but it hasn't. I mean, I've seen him go up against linebackers and he looks slow compared to them. I've seen him go up against Nichols, and he hasn't done it. Like, Stout's a feisty little. Like, this guy just doesn't. I'm not a Colston Loveland fan. Neither of us were in the draft process. I'm trying not to hold on to my priors. We've gotten a lot of guys wrong in the draft process. [00:41:53] Speaker B: Yeah, no, he showed some good stuff over the last, you know, month or so. After a really underwhelming start to the season, I just. I don't get it. I. I didn't see him as that dynamic of a blocker. I've seen some good from him, but again, when I watched that. That game last week, I saw multiple times where he was getting shed really easily. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Totally. [00:42:16] Speaker B: And, like, multiple times. And. And there's a. There's a. There's, like, a Bears fan that's getting upset in the comments. I'm telling you what I saw last week. [00:42:23] Speaker A: You can watch the tape, too. He's right in the middle of the screen every play. Like, he's just not a good blocker. And it's not like the packers were doing anything crazy. They brought pressure, they had some good stunts, and Quay Walker plays like a madman. But, like, Ben Johnson wanted to run the offense. And I'll speak specifically to the game against the packers through Colston Loveland, and their offense didn't have any goddamn points for most of the game. I don't think that's a coincidence. And I wonder what Johnson's going to do. I guess the beauty, if you're looking at it from a Bears perspective, the beauty is that Ben Johnson can come out with anything. He's really, really good. I don't think the window dressing is going to work against the Niners the way that it works against other teams, because the Niners are like, guess what? We're still in four, three over. Like, we don't do anything cool. Like, there's no reason we're going to drop into zone and we're going to bring four because we're not very good. So it doesn't matter what all this window dressing is. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, we're not changing. You're not going to be checking plays at the line like, you know what's coming. Beat it. And I just. I think that Stout is the X factor. He was so good against downs on those crossing routes against Indianapolis. And we've said now, I think like four out of the last six or seven weeks, oh, that's the best game Upton Stouts ever played. It's so critical. You know, the players that can do two things are so vital in playoff time. Running backs who can catch the ball out of the backfield, tight ends that can block, nickelbacks who can stop the run, safeties that, you know, can give you both. Like, those are everything. It's the versatile players, and I think that they actually have something in Upton Stout. Now to where you have to. I know that you see it on the film where it's like, we're gonna have to rely on Upton style. [00:44:08] Speaker B: I mean, but we'll be scared of that. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. It's. It's like, again, it's just the 49ers have a smaller linebackers and Nichols against a Bears group that's large and physical with larger tight ends. And. And we'll see. I mean, again, there's a lot of ways for this to go. [00:44:25] Speaker A: Yeah, but do you have a score prediction? [00:44:28] Speaker B: I would say Niners. I can't pick the Niners to ever score less than like, 30 points at this point. [00:44:34] Speaker A: I don't think you should. [00:44:36] Speaker B: I'm gonna say niners 34, bears 27. [00:44:47] Speaker A: I got 44, 39, niners. That might be a score. Got me. I don't know, but it probably is. Here's. Here's just one last step before we do some comments. The Niners are 50 this season in all games where the spread was plus or minus three points. So if the game was presumed to be tight, the Niners have won all five of those games that they've played. [00:45:10] Speaker B: What is. What is the spread? Have you looked at the spread for this game? Do you know what it is? 3. [00:45:18] Speaker A: Hence the stat. Yeah, I think ESPN gave me that one. [00:45:24] Speaker B: Yeah. But I get. I. I would. I wonder how much. I wonder if it would have gotten up a little higher if Kiddo was gonna play. I'm actually genuinely, mostly because I'm just curious, like, what the point value for Kittle is. And I feel like that would have told us. [00:45:38] Speaker A: How about this? I can't go back on a word. I'm a man of my word. I'll admit when I'm wrong, but I'm a man of my word. I'm changing my score. It's 4424. The Niners will not play another close game this year. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:45:54] Speaker A: I have to maintain the stance that there will be no, I'm not guaranteeing wins. I'm just saying there will only be blowouts. And I trust it's overly simplistic, perhaps to an absolute fault. I absolutely trust Kyle Shanahan and Brock Purdy right now more than I trust Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson. I just do. Yeah, that's a hot take. You know, put me on the spin, spin me around. Serve me up for dinner. [00:46:22] Speaker B: I love that. All right. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Might be good. Might be tasty. Who knows? Did you read that book about cannibals I gave you? [00:46:28] Speaker B: I started reading it. [00:46:30] Speaker A: It's fucked up, man. I got some good ones. I'll give you later. [00:46:35] Speaker B: Okay. I've got a lot of weird book wrecks. [00:46:38] Speaker A: I do have weird book wrecks. [00:46:39] Speaker B: All right, we're gonna go, we're gonna go to comments and then we're gonna return to our, to our families or something like that. [00:46:45] Speaker A: What if I don't want to? [00:46:47] Speaker B: Camstead, Does George play? Regardless? If it's up to him. I know. I think, I think Kittle, as much as he's a person that pushes for that stuff, he's smart enough to know, like, what the actual goal is. And if it's not right, I don't think he's going to try and play through an ankle injury that could get worse or limit him in the playoffs. I think he knows what the deal is. So I think next week against Seattle would be a different story, though. [00:47:16] Speaker A: Yes. If they have a, if they're in a position to take the one seed, I think that they play it knowing and they have to go for broke. I mean, it's kind of a beautiful situation. They can't do games. [00:47:26] Speaker B: No, because, because then you, you literally guarantee a buy. You guarantee you don't have to leave home, you don't have to travel. It's. [00:47:33] Speaker A: And if you lose, you lost. But you, you gotta, you gotta be a gambler. I, I, I also think back to, you know, when George got injured in week one and we all thought that he'd be back as soon as he came off of IR and they kept him out for another. What was it? Week, week or two. Yeah, they put him on IR before week two. He didn't come back until the Falcons in week seven. So it was the older, wiser. I would. I feel like the. Everybody in the building right now, and this is a guess. Yeah, I don't have this. I would expect that no one is game planning for George Kittle to play. They are merely just saying that he could play so that the Chicago Bears have to waste an hour of their lives game planning for what happens if George Kittle's out there. [00:48:18] Speaker B: That sounds about right. [00:48:18] Speaker A: And I think there's going to be a lot of guys like that from here on out. [00:48:21] Speaker B: Yep. One more from Cam's dad. If we hold the bears to under 70 yards rushing, do we win? Yes. [00:48:26] Speaker A: Yes, without a question. They could get 200 in this game. They can, by the way. They can. The Niners can still win if The Bears get 200 yards rushing. But I do think that the Bears model here might be the 49ers model in that Thursday Night Football game week five, which is like they can't score if they don't have the ball. And I'm interested. I'm interested because your take is correct in that. Test them early, see how soft the safety situation is, get up and then you can control the game from there. And worst case scenario, you can still control. You know, you're still in a good position for explosive plays in the run game, mainly because it goes anti script. [00:49:06] Speaker B: But it's really, it's. Honestly, I'm. I'm just going into this with like a base level of curiosity because there's so many ways. I mean, the Bears are. I mean, they have the stuff that they like to do, but what works will be a little bit unpredictable in, in the past game. And I think it's a real stress test for the Niners, particularly their safeties going into the playoffs. Just how bad is the situation, especially with the quarterback that you haven't faced in weeks, a quarterback that can really actually challenge you over the top. And granted doesn't have a great wide receiver group to exploit that. You'd almost like to see that the Bears steal the Colts wide receiver group from last week to really, well test that with Alec Pierce. [00:49:49] Speaker A: Oh boy, that would be something. [00:49:52] Speaker B: But it's, it's just gonna be interesting. Like I, I really am curious to see how Johnson decides to attack the 49ers secondary. How the 49ers prepare for it. Because like you said, Bob was pretty bad last week. And I think. I think he's just too sharp of a guy to be completely unprepared and completely lost. And at least. And at least if they start beating them early, adapt a little bit quicker because he didn't do that well last week. [00:50:21] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. You don't need to wait until the third quarter to bring up blitz. Like you're getting burned with quarters and rushing for. I don't know. Try something. You're getting burned on the stuff that you're not supposed to get burned on. Like you're playing a prevent defense that isn't preventing anything. So why don't you get weird and we'll see if that lesson holds true. But I do think, again, Caleb is a quarterback that, at least to me, looks easily tricked. How comfortable is Bob getting aggressive and willing to take the risk for a defense that he clearly doesn't trust that much? Nor should he. How willing is he to risk in the effort for kind of the Go for broken because there might be an argument to be made that if you just bend but don't break, the Bears will break themselves. I don't know if that will happen or not. It's. Yeah, usually we know the game script. Like, usually there's a game script that we have a pretty good idea about. Like last week we got it wrong. But we got it so wrong, we were kind of right in a way. Like, we were the exact opposite. And the Colts knew what we knew and what the Niners knew, whatever. This week, I have no idea. I think that there's like five different ways they can attack it. And I think the Niners can say. [00:51:29] Speaker B: The same with you. By the way, bad news. DeForest Buckner aggravated the herniated disc in his neck for the Colts and his. That's neck injuries, man. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Neck injuries. Keep an eye on the Renardo Green. [00:51:43] Speaker B: Aspect of all, but I know. I think there's one. There's only one question really, to Tenness, but now I just want this over. Thomas Morstead needs two more punts to get to 1000 career punts. Will he get there this week? [00:52:02] Speaker A: I'm gonna say no. I think he gets one punt. I think the streak ends, but I think there's only one punt and it probably has to do with some. Like, you got two punts. It does not bode well for the 49ers. [00:52:15] Speaker B: No, it doesn't. It doesn't. I don't know if I believe it, but I Kind of have to. [00:52:20] Speaker A: He'll get. He'll get a thousand before. I mean, the. Seattle's definitely going to make him punt. [00:52:24] Speaker B: A thousand punts is an awesome stat. How many punters have done that? [00:52:27] Speaker A: Well, punters hang out for a long time. If only there was some sort of database of bro football that we could look at. [00:52:34] Speaker B: Maybe. [00:52:36] Speaker A: I don't know. Until that's invented, I just think that we're going to have to guess, you. [00:52:39] Speaker B: Know, who holds the NFL career record for most punts. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Ray Guy. [00:52:45] Speaker B: Jeff Feegles. [00:52:47] Speaker A: Wow. Jeff Siegels. By the way, I. I can remember some guys, the Chiefs quarterback that played yesterday I had never heard of in my entire life. [00:52:58] Speaker B: Dude, I. You know, it was crazy as I turned it on late in the game because I got home from dinner and I was like, they didn't show the back of his jersey, and they didn't mention him by name. And I was like, who the is this guy? [00:53:09] Speaker A: Are they playing a wide receiver at quarter? What happened to get us to this point now? Apparently, he got drafted and everything. [00:53:15] Speaker B: Yeah, they're like, he's been with the Chiefs for, like, four years. Don't. Don't you guys know this? [00:53:19] Speaker A: Never heard of him. Great job, Alan, Kirk. Guys, keep. Keep it up. You're doing great. [00:53:24] Speaker B: Not a clue. Alice was brutal. They were talking about the Taylor Swift Kelsey thing. And then. And then they were, like, talking about the list. And then. And then you could feel it coming. You could feel it happening. And, like, I wouldn't want to make that list. And Al goes, I wonder if they're checking it twice. And I went alone, like, yelled at my tv, and you went, that. That's enough. [00:53:46] Speaker A: Did I miss some news I could have. Did I miss some news where Travis Kelsey said he's retiring? Or did they just presume that the entire game as they cut to him, as if this was some sort of, like, exit ceremony? Like, what the hell? [00:54:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it was very strange. It was very strange. It was. Yeah. Also, the amount of holding the Chiefs committed on that final drive was out. Rageous. [00:54:13] Speaker A: What's new? [00:54:14] Speaker B: I know. [00:54:16] Speaker A: Meanwhile, by the way, Amazon does get a playoff game, and they kept advertising it last night. And I'm sitting there with my brother, and I'm like, when is that game? Like, no, I need to know when that. My brother's like, why are you freaking out about when that game is? And I'm like, because I can't do this anymore. I can't watch this podcast anymore. I watch it. I was like, I didn't even Switch to the Schwarzman feed yesterday. It's just too fucking. [00:54:43] Speaker B: It's so funny that the only way to access live all 22 is for the most annoying person you've ever heard in your life. And I'm sure some people think of us that way, but, like, certainly just. [00:54:53] Speaker A: And I think he's probably a nice guy. I just. [00:54:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And his job is to be like, here's a stat. But they're like, don't overcomplicate it. But give people information. And you're like, this is an impossible task. Just be silent, play lo fi and just let us watch the game. [00:55:09] Speaker A: Also, like, yeah, that could be an easy integration with Amazon Music. I'd subscribe if I could play my own music over your all 22 live. Also, it's like, don't complicate things. Meanwhile, there's 42 lines on the screen and everyone's got a dot as if I don't know where they're standing. Just let us run your sports division, Amazon. We can do better. [00:55:27] Speaker B: Yeah, they should. They should. Oh, wait, sorry. I'm just looking at more Hunter stats. I'm just looking at more punters. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Oh, yeah? Yeah. [00:55:35] Speaker B: There are 27 guys with at least a thousand punts. Yeah. [00:55:40] Speaker A: But if any of them hit 20 miles per hour chasing down Parker Washington. [00:55:45] Speaker B: I don't think so. [00:55:46] Speaker A: I don't think so either. And for that, can you name the. [00:55:51] Speaker B: Top five outside of Jeff Eagles. I think that's the way we should. [00:55:54] Speaker A: Hunters. In terms of number of punts. [00:55:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:00] Speaker A: Just. [00:56:01] Speaker B: Just name some guys. [00:56:02] Speaker A: Ray Guy's got to be in there. [00:56:04] Speaker B: He's 22nd. [00:56:05] Speaker A: Oh, Jesus. Okay, how about you just tell me instead? [00:56:09] Speaker B: Okay. Andy Lee. [00:56:11] Speaker A: Andy Lee, former 49.49ers legend. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Shane Leckler. [00:56:16] Speaker A: That one's I should have had. Shane Leckler. That's just dumb. [00:56:19] Speaker B: Sean Landetta and Brad Maynard. [00:56:24] Speaker A: Brad Maynard, Bears legend. [00:56:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:27] Speaker A: Wow. [00:56:28] Speaker B: More, you know, wonder. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Wonder if they'll bring Andy Lee and Maynard back for this game and have them do the coin toss. By the way, Bears don't take the ball first. Yeah, dumb mistake by the Colts last week. Do the. Do the deferral. Just do the damn deferral. [00:56:44] Speaker B: I mean, even if the first possession goes well, you guarantee yourself an extra possession, second half. Theoretically, yeah. I mean, you at least start with. [00:56:54] Speaker A: So much of that game on Monday night was that the Niners just were up two possessions the whole game, so. [00:57:01] Speaker B: Yep. [00:57:02] Speaker A: Alas. Talk to you Sunday night. [00:57:05] Speaker B: Sounds good, folks. And sorry to the upset, Bears fans, but. [00:57:09] Speaker A: Oh, them. [00:57:10] Speaker B: It's okay. You know them well. All right, folks, see you later.