Mac Jones on the Move? QB Carrossel, Big Bold Ideas, Draft Stocks

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreigner and Hutch. [00:00:08] Speaker B: We are not in the northeast, so we are not nor Eastern. And we are also not going to the combine, much like Kyle Shanahan and any NFL head coach that has his head on straight. I. I do love every year the same tired, like, why isn't he going to the combine? Doesn't he know how important it is? And it's like, why aren't you there then? If it's so important, why aren't you there? [00:00:30] Speaker A: There's a little bit of a base level sadness of the NFL combine. I went once. It's always people who just like, tweet way too much and. And want to be validated who are like, I went to St. Elmo's and you're like, I don't see another person there with you. Okay. [00:00:45] Speaker B: Wow. This has nothing to do with Ted Win, who is both very likable and doesn't tweet too much, but he's a great dude. [00:00:53] Speaker A: Bought me a few. Few beers a while back. [00:00:55] Speaker B: And we enjoy content and him as a person. And yeah, he does know food. Ted knows food. Not going down that rabbit hole. Let's just say that Ted tweeted out last night that the first thing that he saw in Indianapolis was some dude just like peeing his pants in a quarter walking. But enough about Mark Sanchez. We move forward. [00:01:15] Speaker A: What are you going to do? What else are you going to do in Indy? Come on. [00:01:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. There's some good spots in Indy. I got buddies who live in Indy and I don't dislike going in Indianapolis. I'm glad that the combine is in Indianapolis. [00:01:27] Speaker A: Like, that should be nowhere else. It's the perfect place for it. [00:01:31] Speaker B: Everything's around. But the idea of, like, Kyle not going is so dumb. [00:01:36] Speaker A: Like what himself to that it does not useful. [00:01:39] Speaker B: Doesn't he need to talk to people? It's like, no, he doesn't need to get loaded in the, you know, whatever that prime cut steakhouse is or, you know, the lobby of the JW Marriott and, you know, gossip with the boys. Like, let the scouts do that. Let John do that. The idea that Kyle, you know, should be watching boys in spandex run around. Also that he can get a number that he can have delivered all of this. He can watch on his computer screen with ease. [00:02:07] Speaker A: It's the one time a year, like, coaches should actually take advantage of the fact that they don't have to be somewhere. Right. Like you can actually just be with your family. Although that is a horrifying proposition for some. [00:02:20] Speaker B: What's the Neil Brennan joke where Tom Brady retired and then spent a couple of days around his kids. I don't know these kids. And went back to football. [00:02:28] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:02:30] Speaker B: Okay, here we go. We're going to do the quarterback carousel. The thumbnail for this. Jake. I don't believe he's actually seen the thumbnail for this. [00:02:37] Speaker A: I have no idea what it is. [00:02:39] Speaker B: It's Mac Jones in a Vikings uniform. That is what we like to call in the business clickbait. Because we are going to go through every single of the eight. I have eight teams that are quarterback needy or just generally inept. And we're going to figure out what's what. And let's start with the team with the number one pick. Like Fernando Mendoza is going to be a Raider. He is going to start week one. End of conversation. [00:03:05] Speaker A: Yep. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Okay. [00:03:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't think we need to discuss that. Really. No. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Well established, well known what's happening. And I'm not, I mean, I presume they'll cut Gino. I'm not certain they'll cut Gino. Yep, I'm sure Gino will want to be cut. We'll see what happens there. Where do you want to go next? Because we can go in a million different directions and there's obviously a domino effect. So there's sort of a. I mean, [00:03:31] Speaker A: let's knock out the easy ones first. I think the Colts keep Daniel Jones same. Right. [00:03:36] Speaker B: They're already talking contract. I imagine that's going to go well for both sides. Steelers. Steelers are in all likelihood keeping Aaron Rodgers. But I think it's. [00:03:47] Speaker A: I don't know about drafting somebody. I think they go with my Ohio State guy. [00:03:51] Speaker B: You think they go with Will Howard? [00:03:53] Speaker A: I mean, they already. They spent a third round pick on him. Like he spent a year behind Rogers. I think they would go there rather [00:04:00] Speaker B: than good or a bad thing. [00:04:02] Speaker A: We'll find out. We'll find out. Listen, I like Mac Brosmer. That didn't go too well. [00:04:06] Speaker B: No, listen, we all get them wrong sometimes. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Everybody got excited for him too. There's a weird amount of hype. Like right before he started, they're like, [00:04:12] Speaker B: ooh, they backdoored it. Because you know what? This is the Purdy effect. Everybody doesn't want to look like a jackass, but no one will ever Predict like the 7th round pick is going to be good because what evidence is there they'll be good. Otherwise you would have been yelling it from a mountaintop months before, like, take this guy in round one or two and, and Instead, you know, some. There, there's all that. That's, that's just trying to get on the right side of history and generally looking like a fool. I do think that the Steelers and Ty Simpson are a very good possibility at 21. Now, Ty Simpson doesn't really fit the mold of like a, a prospect quarterback, one who needs the red shirt or whatever. And you're probably right. They probably just take the path of least resistance. I think most teams in this case are going to do the path of least resistance, but Simpson at 21, maybe as a Kenny Pickett 2.0. Like, let's, let's give it another go here with Simpson's big demerit there being that he's not in the same facility every day. So they don't, they don't know his work ethic. [00:05:13] Speaker A: Simpson is like, right. Like, he's not a guy that needs development. So you almost want him as like a second round pick for a team that's like, let's just start him day one and see what happens. It's like sort of competitive. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:24] Speaker A: Wants quarterback. Which Steelers make a lot of sense from that perspective. I was actually watching him yesterday. I think he both processes really quickly and panics. [00:05:34] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:35] Speaker A: Under short arms, it. He has this short army thing where there's pressure and it's like he doesn't want to take a shot. But he's also like got a little bit of the purdy like last second escape ability. You see him throw a deep shot that you're like, oh, that was great. And then that was the worst thing I've ever seen. So I, I don't think, I don't see the first round caliber. But he is probably a clear number two. So him going late first round, totally possible. But he, I have like a round three grade on him right now. I, I think he's quick and he can like get the ball out. But as soon as he starts feeling uncomfortable, it gets a little bit like, I don't want to die. Which, yeah, understandable. [00:06:16] Speaker B: Pretty bluntly, my evaluation on him is that he does not trust what he sees. That he knows all the right moves in order to play quarterback, but he has no trust in what he sees. And like, buddy, I got bad news for you. When you get to the NFL, it doesn't get any easier. [00:06:31] Speaker A: I need to watch more to say that like he doesn't trust it. But I think he's like easily shaken. Like there's some times, there's some times where you. He goes, one, he goes, that's not there. And then he sees two and you're like, come on a little bit quicker. A little bit quicker. So I don't know exactly what that is, but yeah, it's. There's sometimes you're like, oh, he's progressing perfectly. Like he's doing exactly what he's told. And then there's a little bit of like what, what, what were you seeing there? And you're like, I don't know the [00:07:03] Speaker B: answer and you can't. I mean listen, they did fire their offensive line coach. There are some serious questions about Grubb, the offensive coordinator at Alabama. But what about. Not as if he sent him to [00:07:16] Speaker A: Miami in like the second round. Second or third round in Miami. I guess we should go there, right? Let's go to Miami. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah. It asks an interesting question because I don't think Miami could do anything wrong. Miami is in such a pit of despair that like even. Even keeping two of for a year just to ride out the contract is fine by me. [00:07:38] Speaker A: That's what they actually should do. They should keep to it for one more year because the numbers are so horrific. It's actually gets worse if they cut him and then next year you can get off of him like pretty easily. [00:07:50] Speaker B: I think that there's not a mutual exclusivity to keeping to and bringing somebody else in though. [00:07:56] Speaker A: Like completely agree. [00:07:57] Speaker B: I think Malik Willis on a high end, you know, the, the connection with Halfley is there. [00:08:06] Speaker A: It's not the connection, it's the money. The money doesn't make any sense. I think for Miami to make a move like that, like they're pretty screwed. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Yes and no. You can short term, you can keep the cap, hit low and then do it as soon as two is off the books. You're. You're absolutely like, you're not going to [00:08:24] Speaker A: have a long term deal with Willis. It's only going to be like two or three years. So like. [00:08:28] Speaker B: But that's all you can commit to. You can't go long term with Malik Willis. So he's a bridge. Bridge. [00:08:35] Speaker A: I don't think he's the right fit financially for the Dolphins and I know you can finagle that money, but. Yeah, I just don't know if the money works in Miami. [00:08:44] Speaker B: My concern with this, Jeff Hafley's a defensive minded head coach, right. He's got Bobby Slowik as his oc. They need to have some level of competence on offense because people are going to consistently compare him to the last guy who had no competence on defense because he ran Vic Fangio out of town because Vic Fangio didn't like his fancy shoes. And it's. They can't bottom out the way that you would want to bottom out. You can't Oklahoma City Thunder this thing. You cannot Houston Astros this thing. You need to have some level of offensive competence because Halfley can play up some of the defensive talent and draft defensive talent. You still have Jalen Waddle, you still have Devon Achan, you still have an offensive line that's making decent money. And when you look at it and you go, well the two, how much can you commit to the quarterback? You commit as much as you need in the short term and then knowing next year it will just be Willis because here's the, here's the cut and dry of it. You get two years in the NFL and that's if you're in a fortunate situation. There's no Kyle Shanahan 6 year contract here for a defensive minded head coach who doesn't get to pick his own players. So right. I, if I'm Jeff Hathley, I'm like, I need to make sure I have a quarterback I can win with. [00:09:56] Speaker A: No. [00:09:57] Speaker B: Now, not that we're going to make the playoffs or anything but in the mindset of man, if we get to next year and now I got a rookie and he's not the right guy or we didn't get a good enough draft pick because you know we get to play the jets twice a year now I'm screwed. So let's get a reset. Tua can sit his ass on the bench, be weird, go live in Hawaii for the entire year. It doesn't matter. We could try to trade him. There might be a market. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Probably not, maybe a mid season market. More than a. [00:10:23] Speaker B: Right. When most of the money's done you could just, yeah, you could quasi cut them. Right. Kind of an IUKI thing where it's like go away. [00:10:32] Speaker A: Right. [00:10:33] Speaker B: And we'll come back to you when we come back to you. I think Willis to the Dolphins does make a lot of sense. I don't disagree that there's a fiscal component there. I think that so much money is about to come off that book. Those books with Tua in theory being the biggest, but maybe not. They're doing such a, you know, to the studs rebuild that it just doesn't bother me bringing in somebody, especially when you can backlog the contract to when you're really going to need them, which is 27 and maybe they already cleared [00:11:00] Speaker A: a lot of money. They don't have a lot of avenues to clear a ton. Yeah, I mean, I guess I also [00:11:06] Speaker B: don't think Willis is going to cost as much as people make him out to cost. Like, I do think it'll be in like 27, 28, 30 million. But again, how much of that is guaranteed for Malik Willis? [00:11:17] Speaker A: Right. So, yeah, I mean, it's. We'll see. They just don't have a lot. I mean, I guess they could clear 20 if they post June one, Bradley Chub and Minka. So, I mean, those are avenues, but [00:11:31] Speaker B: they're already talking about dumping Mika, so [00:11:33] Speaker A: I mean, they should try and. I mean, it's tough to trade Minka because he's got a big salary. They did some really bad financial work. [00:11:42] Speaker B: Yes, yes, they did. Thank goodness the Sharks are run by the better Greer brother. Where does Malik Willis go, if not the Dolphins, then Jay Hutchinson? [00:11:51] Speaker A: Why not to the jets, man? [00:11:53] Speaker B: Oh, because Malik Willis has self respect, that's why. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I mean, I, I think logically the jets are a tough fit. I, I think you could see him. I could see him with the Cardinals. [00:12:05] Speaker B: The Cardinals does make some sense for sure. You get the Leflore, even though you know it's not. It's Matt LaFleur, but it's like also [00:12:12] Speaker A: such a tough division. You go, does that make sense? I think, I think if I was him, Miami makes sense because it's an easy division if you can backload it. I just don't know how they're going to work that money. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Arizona makes a lot of sense. I mean, don't, don't forget either with, with Arizona, who was at Matt LaFleur's presser. His brother showed up like, it's not as if they're estranged. You know, he had Matt LaFleur hanging out in Arizona for a couple of days. Yeah, I'm sure he'll give a glowing review. It was a good player for them this year. Arizona actually makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot more sense than the options that I have listed out, which is Arizona being the broke boys that they are, where they waited until the end of the cycle to see whatever scraps they could pick up. I was guessing they'd do the same thing here and come on down. Jimmy Garoppolo. [00:13:04] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:13:07] Speaker B: they, they work together in, in la and you're just trying to get over the hump now you might say Dieter. Do they not already have two quarterbacks? To which I say, indeed they do. And I have no idea who's taking Kyler Murray. I don't know who would want him? Why this? Why anything would happen. I hate him. I hate the way he plays football. And so I don't think he plays next year. I don't know what happened. I think Kyler's probably still a Cardinal, but that doesn't mean that Jimmy Garoppolo is not in there as sort of. [00:13:35] Speaker A: They could cut him. I mean, they could just straight up cut him and that would be fine. That said, his base salary is only like 23 million. So if you try and trade him, it's a pretty reasonable number for, like. What about the Jets? What about the jets trying to get Kyler? [00:13:52] Speaker B: There's a lot. How about this? I think the jets are going with the other Arizona quarterback. There is a lot of smoke. Brisket with Jacoby Brisket. Smoking the brisket. Frank Reich obviously worked with Brissette when they were with the Colts, and they just need someone to get them to their next head coach. Like, yeah, you want to talk about a bridge quarterback? Like, here's Jacoby Brissette. He's going to slang the thing. He's gonna, you know, keep everyone in a good mood. He's just the tank commander. It's great. [00:14:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, listen, nothing. Nothing matters. You can't really predict anything with the jets because you don't know what Woody Johnson's kids think. And they are running the team. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:34] Speaker A: Truly. So if they shows up, so if they see, like a cool TikTok clip of, like, prime Kyler, they might go, hey, let's do this, and that might be enough. Or, you know. Yeah. I mean, Jacoby Brissette is like a perfect bridge. He makes a lot of sense there. [00:14:50] Speaker B: Frank Reich, can you. Again, everyone's operating as if they're going to have jobs beyond next January, but, yeah. Which is just kind of sad. But, yeah, Jacoby Brissette, you know, Frank Reich wouldn't be able to institute the system. You're just trying to do whatever you can to get Arch. Like, we talk all, you know, I spend. [00:15:11] Speaker A: Which is why Kyler makes a lot of sense. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Does Kyler or Jacoby Brissette make more sense? If you want Arch Manning. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Kyler. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Yeah, probably. That's a good point. But he's. He's more costly. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Or you just stick with Justin Fields, which is like, I think. Absolutely. It feels like not on the table, but also, like, what they should do. [00:15:30] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:31] Speaker A: I mean, we. [00:15:32] Speaker B: I spend a lot of my day texting with people about NBA stuff because apparently there are no teams in the NBA. There's only the Amorphous NBA. And so everything is league wide and you know, just constant conversations about tanking and how, you know, it's a pretty good draft class. I wouldn't say it's like, I mean, [00:15:49] Speaker A: incredibly weird with the, with the NBA on, on tanking. The. Adam Silver seems lost. Seems. [00:15:55] Speaker B: Oh, Adam Silver. Adam Silver lacks an ounce of foresight. He. [00:15:59] Speaker A: I've the most reactive person I've ever seen in my life. [00:16:03] Speaker B: But okay, I don't want to get too far down the tangent here, but think about Adam. What is Adam Silver's crowning achievement as the commissioner of the NBA? [00:16:11] Speaker A: Is it like the, the international deals? [00:16:15] Speaker B: Well, to be fair, he's a very good deal maker. I think most people, when they think Adam Silver, think of the banning of Donald Sterling, the Clippers owner. [00:16:24] Speaker A: Right. I guess that was him. [00:16:26] Speaker B: And he was like new on the job and he in. [00:16:29] Speaker A: Right. That bought him some goodwill. Is like, I can. Yeah. [00:16:33] Speaker B: And, and he has been chasing that high ever since. Oh, the players love me. That's fantastic. Players love me. Players love me. Players love me. So he's always doing stuff with the players and then he's looking and then he's constantly just like, what's the next hammer I can drop that will make me look powerful? So I heard Rick Carlisle this morning on Indianapolis radio saying that, you know, the pacers got fined $100,000 for tanking and apparently, and this is according to Carlisle, who has been known to exaggerate a little bit in the past, but Rick's a. Rick tells it like it is who. I appreciate that, but he said that the NBA league lawyer came in and they're like, hey, would you like to talk to our doctors about, you know, our guys injuries? It's all documented. No, no, we're good. Would you like to talk to the players? No, no, no, we're good. And then they, they suggested that Aaron Neesmith get, you know, shot up to play in a game after he got injured the night before and couldn't hold the basketball. Now that's according to Rick. They're like, oh, why wouldn't you just give them some, you know, give them a painkiller or something. And they're like, we're 30 games under.500 is why, like. And they still find him $100,000. So Utah is a little bit more brazen in it. This is all to say teams are tanking from the onset of this year and no team should be doing it harder than the New York Jets. [00:17:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Also like, tanking is not wrong. No, like like, if you're bad and you don't have a chance, your best chance to get good is to get a high pick, which even if you don't use it, has a ton of value, 100%. And that's an asset. If you don't have assets, go get assets. How do you do that? You're bad. [00:18:10] Speaker B: You know why? You know why? There's never any true conversation with a negative correlation to tanking in the NBA. Two reasons. One, lack of guaranteed salaries, which you can't put the genie back in the bottle there or the toothpaste back in the tube with the NBA. But two, it's because they reward tanking unquestionably. And the big issue that the NBA has is you want to tank. That's great. Now you get this lottery ticket, you get a 14% chance. So it doesn't reward the bad behavior. It doesn't just clear the system. It perpetuates bad behavior because you have to get four or five bites of the apple. [00:18:46] Speaker A: Doesn't make sense. [00:18:47] Speaker B: You want to get rid of tanking. Pretty simple. You get rid of the lottery. We're worst. Record this. You're going to do it. Be in it to win it, baby. Because I guess that it's both an [00:18:56] Speaker A: easy lottery and we got like some random guy who's a project from Slovenia in eight years. Yeah. All right. Well, we're going to keep losing because we have no alternative. [00:19:07] Speaker B: You got to clear it out. The only way to fix bad teams is to clear it out by giving them good players. And the only way they're getting good players is through free agency. We have to come up with a [00:19:17] Speaker A: bunch of, like, obtuse solutions to a problem that has a clear answer. Very silly. Also, don't worry, the AI broadcasts that are personalized. [00:19:24] Speaker B: Good job, Adam Silver, by the way, that's not happening because they can't afford the tokens. So I've spent the last three days deep in an AI rabbit hole, and let me just tell you, something's breaking and I don't think it's going to be the workforce. So. [00:19:42] Speaker A: Yeah. What's next? [00:19:44] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Oh, Vikings. [00:19:46] Speaker B: Vikings. Well, do we want to go Vikings or do we want to. I want to go Falcons first because we've touched everything else. Sure, sure. I think Falcons is kind of. I think I even mentioned this to you in a previous show. Falcons seems clear cut now. You get the. The statement today. It's. It's Matt Ryan's underling saying that Kirk Cousins is getting cut. Okay. [00:20:09] Speaker A: Yep. [00:20:10] Speaker B: By the way, Kirk Cousins, Cardinals real possibility as well. [00:20:14] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Three picks. [00:20:18] Speaker B: Yes. They're in a very bad spot. Michael Penix, they have to give at least another half. Season two. He's coming off of, I think his third ACL tear. I could be exaggerating that. [00:20:30] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure he's just got like rubber gelatin in his knees. [00:20:33] Speaker B: Well, he's got a lot of stuff going on and I don't think he's the guy. I was wrong about him. He was my favorite quarterback in that class and I was, I was flat out wrong about that. But never a fan. Yeah, well, Max Brosmer and so they have to, they have to ride the Pennix train just, just a little bit longer. The answer here to me is pretty obvious. Joe Flacco, sure. I think Joe Flacco worked with Stefanski in Cleveland, was successful for Stefanski multiple times in Cleveland. He's in to start the season, get this thing kind of, you know, stabilized. Stand back there, hand the ball off to Bijan, bomb it down to Pitts and, and Drake London. Like that's a pretty good existence. Just live in Flowery Branch in a nice condo, bomb it down the field for nine, 10 weeks. Penix comes back, sucks ass. Maybe you come back in at the end of the season, you go 9 [00:21:27] Speaker A: and 8 and it's a glorious 9 and 8. [00:21:29] Speaker B: It's a. And everyone feels good about the future because now you have a pretty good team and you're clearing the books for, you know, a new quarterback in a class where, yeah, you could probably get Lenora sellers with a 9 and 8 record. But that's. [00:21:41] Speaker A: God, that trade is really. I mean, at the time it was horrific. [00:21:45] Speaker B: At the time it was horrific. And then you're like, oh, I see that. We did no recon on him. Which, by the way, I could have. I mean, I. You can't be specific, but like, I could have told you that people are like, do not draft him. Do not draft him. Like, it's. Has nothing to do with the point of contact. [00:22:02] Speaker A: Did they actually do know? No background at all. Like, it actually seems like impossible to have. [00:22:09] Speaker B: I keep telling you, Jake, so many teams around the NFL are operating on worse data sets than you and I are. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Like, how is that possible? [00:22:20] Speaker B: Laziness. Laziness. [00:22:23] Speaker A: We're running on Windows 94. [00:22:25] Speaker B: It's not even that. It's, it's, it's, it's just guys not putting in the time to use their eyes. Also, there's just a lot, there's a lot of Coaches and scouts in the NFL have no idea what they're looking at. I know that sounds ridiculous. They obviously know more than, like, the layperson, and they probably know more than us. They could teach it to a certain degree, but they. They also just get blinded by biases. They have so many more biases than you and I do. We try to come at it from a holistic viewpoint, and they kind of, like Adam Silver are just chasing after the elixir of the one time they got it right, and they lock in on stuff, and it's like, yeah, but the league has changed. And by the way, this is the other aspect. They. Teams in the NFL have no idea what's happening outside of their windows at all. Right? It's the Kevin Clark joke about, you know, every coach locks in to a musical genre when they're in their, you know, early assistant days and never give it up because they. They haven't engaged in popular culture in 27 years. They don't understand the trends in the league. They just understand the team that they're playing in the seven games previous. Like, sometimes they'll toss in something if they remember it. So. [00:23:41] Speaker A: And there's, like, an element of, like, the Moneyball thing, of, like, the old guys that are like, you know, he doesn't have the right look. Like, there's still scouts out there that have that sort of, like, archaic, like, I don't know about the. [00:23:55] Speaker B: The beauty of football is it's a wonderfully inexact science. [00:23:59] Speaker A: Right? [00:23:59] Speaker B: And so you now, you know, the Niners have a very large, like, R D department that, you know, has faux proprietary algorithms and things like this. They're getting the GPS data, and they're trying to teach a large language model how to read film. And, like, the. It's all this empty calorie BS to try to give them some little bit of an advantage. It's basically. But then at the end of the day, they're just like, Brian Fleury and Robert Sala. What do you think? And these guys. These guys haven't ventured into the world in months. I mean, Salah actually was out in the world. He never seemed to really engage in it. Like, they don't understand the trend unless it comes and literally hits them in the face. [00:24:42] Speaker A: So. [00:24:42] Speaker B: And they don't want to present a player that would force the head coach and play caller to have to manipulate what it is he's doing. [00:24:50] Speaker A: And there's all the history, right, of, like, for, like, a Reuben Foster or something. So, like, you're a little bit More averse to guys that might have the talent. But, like, you have some concerns and you're like, well, if we can bring guy into a strong locker room, maybe we don't worry about it as much. But we also don't want to spend a premium pick on a guy we're worried about. [00:25:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:08] Speaker A: And so there becomes, you know, you get stuff where like, it's the gold helmet guy, which is like, I cringe at every single time because you're so obsessed with like, them fitting this mold of character and grit. And it's like how people are talking about, like, Jonah Coleman, the Washington running back, where I'm like, I just don't see it as RB2 at all. But because he's like a, a tough guy, he's got good character, people like just really like him. It's like, that's okay to like him, but like the town, I don't see the talent there. [00:25:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And again, if this was an exact science in any way, shape or form, it'd be baseball. And baseball's gotten. I love baseball. I don't mind doing the numbers game, but it's not, it's not as fun. It doesn't have a culture or a vibe to it. It's. It's just sort of a road exercise in producing and preventing runs. Whereas in football, like, you could die like that. That really keeps everybody's head on a swivel. So that's the fun of it. That's why it continues to succeed beyond all other sports. And ultimately, you know, why, why teams will continue to cycle through it. I'll never, ever, ever get over Brian Dable being like, I got the DC for you. Check out these PFF numbers. Right? The fact that PFF is subscribed to by 32 NFL teams tells you what we're dealing with here. [00:26:28] Speaker A: Well, to be fair, they get a different better. They get a different pff. [00:26:32] Speaker B: It's not a PFF with video. It's there. Yeah, well, I. [00:26:37] Speaker A: It's okay. [00:26:37] Speaker B: The fact that nobody in the. Nobody in the league, as far as I know, and I might actually need to start sending out some texts on this, but that no one in the league has canceled their PFF subscription after this absolute debacle of a season to where. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's like the. Again, that's the forward facing PFF with the grades and all that. It's. [00:26:56] Speaker B: I don't think they get different grades. [00:26:59] Speaker A: Yeah, but they don't use the grades. [00:27:01] Speaker B: Well, yeah, joke's on us. Forever using the grades. [00:27:04] Speaker A: I mean, What I would use is the CSV tables for pressure rates and stuff and create my own stats with it. But. [00:27:10] Speaker B: But the NFL, the other. I mean, we're gonna. [00:27:13] Speaker A: The way. Yeah, the way teams. I categorize pressures and stuff. And the weight, like, it's not standardized. It's not consistent. Like, you'll get like, someone. You'll get like, ESPN. Like, oh, their win rate is 7%. You're like, I watched every snap and he had a 27 win rate. Like, what are we. There's just no way to standardize it, which is why I made my own stats. And if I can stomach it again, I might, but I'm not sure if I can. [00:27:36] Speaker B: That's where the machines come into play. Okay, that's what I did. [00:27:40] Speaker A: The real Griff. That's literally what I did. That's what I did, is I graded every offensive and defensive killed me. [00:27:47] Speaker B: There's a large QR code above Jake's head where you can subscribe to get those stats. All this to say, where's Mac Jones going, Jake? And my answer is nowhere. Because the Minnesota Vikings, I think, are [00:28:00] Speaker A: getting Derek Carr, who's made himself very available. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, he's a thirsty boy. He always has been. That guy loves the limelight. And let me tell you, podcasting was not his. He wasn't good at it. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Yeah, sure, why not? I mean, I don't really have a. Have a great option or alternative for them. I don't think that does much for them. [00:28:23] Speaker B: I think Brissette would work for them. I think Flacco would work for them. I think CAR is kind of the worst possible scenario of viability for them. I will. So let me. Let me just lay down what I think. I know right now I'm not hearing a goddamn thing about Mac Jones moving by anybody who would know something about Mac Jones moving. Not a single thing. Now, that could be some fun calm before the storm stuff. That's not really what this time of the year is about. This time of the year is about synthesizing out bullshit so that you can get to the kernels of truth. And I don't even. I can't even sift through the shit to get. There's nothing there. There's no dumps for me to sit. [00:29:03] Speaker A: Nothing. [00:29:05] Speaker B: I'm literally Jeff Goldblum next to the giant pile of shit, and I'm just looking for little nuggets. And I go over and this is where you understand the analogy. I changed three diapers this morning. So it's. It's the Niners as as far as I know and this one's Looser are asking for a second and a player. Okay, second and a player. Ostensibly that would be. We'll take either but you know, ask for the moon, you might land in the stars or something. No one is going to pay Mac Jones choice because Mac Jones is on an itty bitty contract, which by the way, not an accident. So Mac Jones is on the city bitty contract. You're going to bring him in to be a bridge starter. Be it to compete with your young starter who's no good in Pennix or JJ McCarthy or to just get you to 27 or 28 in the case of like Miami or the jets or you know, the Cardinals, just get us through to the other side. Either way he's going to be like, hey, bridge quarterback, money now please. I saw what Justin Fields, who sucks ask got bring it on. Like I would like my money now. And whichever team acquires him is not going to be able to earnestly say no because they have now committed to Mac Jones as their quarterback. They need to make sure he's happy and wants to be there. And now you're paying twice, you're paying the 49ers for a quarterback who yeah, was fine, above average and you're also paying Mac Jones for the privilege of being the starting quarterback. I, I just don't see anybody doing it when there are cheaper options. Like you don't have to do that with Jacoby Brissette, he knows what he's about by now. You don't have to do that with Derek Carr, you don't have to do that with Joe Flacco. I mean Malik Willis is going to cost you more. [00:31:02] Speaker A: But at least the argument is whether you think he's actually turned a corner in his career and you go, I actually think he is our starter of the future. And you sign him on a one plus on whatever the deal is, you extend it two years down the road and you give him, you know, 15, 20, something like that. And, but it'd be more than you [00:31:25] Speaker B: can't, you can't possibly offer him anything less than Justin Fields 22 last year. [00:31:30] Speaker A: Right? Sure, but that number, the point is like 20 or whatever, 20 or 30, it's all basically the same. [00:31:36] Speaker B: That's a 10x increase on what he's making though. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Correct. But you still get the first year where he's making nothing. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Right. I don't disagree with that. But for these teams as well, let's be clear, I'm not saying the cap is not an issue. [00:31:50] Speaker A: I'm just saying, I'm just saying I agree with you. And the point is, if someone's going to trade for him and make that deal, like they're going to say, all right, he actually, maybe we're going to have another quarterback in and they're going to compete, but it's still going to be cheap enough where even if he sucks and loses it, somebody's still going to want him for the 20 million dollar cap hit next year or 15 million or we hold on to him because it's cheap enough and then we feel good about. But, but I'm with you. I think the idea of offering him that and trading like a third round pick, it seems like a tight. There's a very narrow band of teams that would even consider that. And it doesn't seem like it's bordering on likely at this point because the point is to get him while he costs nothing. The three, three or four million. [00:32:34] Speaker B: Right. But that's, I mean, he's made it pretty clear he wants to be a starter. Anyone who's acquiring him would have him as a starter. So you have to then give him bridge quarterback money. There's two other factors in play. One, no one wanted to trade for him a year two years ago and no one wanted to sign him a year ago. There's a reason he's on this paltry contract. So then you go, well, you know, he was great with Shanahan this year. That's more of a detriment than a benefit in my eyes because everyone says, oh, I don't agree with, no, no, no, no, no. Let me lay it out for you. So it goes, oh, well, Sam Darnold went to San Francisco and it revitalized his career. Okay. And then you can say the same thing about Mac Jones. Okay. It certainly revitalized it. But did. Is Mac Jones any different now than when he showed up? No. Whereas Sam Darnold, what did he learn when he showed up in San Francisco? He learned how to be a quarterback, which was his issue. His issue was never talent. Kids got a cannon for an arm, can move around a little bit. He went third. Not because he was, you know, operating at a higher speed. He went third on spec. Mac Jones can't play the spec game. Worst deep ball thrower in the NFL. Multiple years. Frankly, I don't mean to body shame, pudgy boy, like, you know, not, not exactly an Adonis, I think. I think he's a spectacular man with great fashion taste, but like, you know, not, not, not exactly doing Calvin Klein underwear ads. There's. And then it's like, okay, so what did we learn about Mac Jones this year? He works really well with Kyle Shanahan. Do you know how Kyle Shanahan is talked about in league circles like a demigod? Because he can just find ways. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Right. The. The counter to that is that there's a million teams running similar offenses with similar terminology that he did all that he did on a bum knee all season long. Yeah. And he was able to deliver the ball quickly and on time and put. Put the ball in the hands of playmakers effectively. And listen, you're making me like, defend Mac Jones because it's not something I want to do. But, like, the idea that he didn't gain anything from this experience or learn anything from being in Shanahan's offense, I think is unfair and a little disingenuous. But I understand that Donald came in as a raw talent who had to be completely built back up and like, completely revitalized. I would argue Mac had lost all confidence as well and does understand how to function and run an offense now. That is real. The lack of arm talent and the lack of athleticism, I think is where that's the differentiation of. Sam Darnold always had the physical talent. Mac Jones didn't. So it's like, that's where the value should come down a ton. That said, Mac playing on a bum knee and functioning and like keeping the 49ers afloat for six or seven weeks, [00:35:26] Speaker B: he's the reason they made the playoffs. I'm not correct. [00:35:29] Speaker A: I think is. I think teams will. Again, I don't know how teams will value that, but I think to say that he didn't gain anything. He didn't gain any confidence or knowledge. I, I disagree with. [00:35:39] Speaker B: I think he gained money. I think that he proved that in the right system he can be a better than backup quarterback. So he did gain something there. But Mac Jones, the reason that there was so much smoke around him going at three way back in the day was because he's supposed to be the cerebral quarterback who just, you know, delivers the football in the same way that a Jimmy G does, in the same way that, you know, Kirk Cousins does, like, just get back there, understand the system and go. By the way, for all of that, like, so many of his passes went to Kendrick Bourne, who's not even running anything close to the system. So it was kind of just vibe coding the whole damn. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Right. [00:36:19] Speaker B: The whole damn offense. He's someone who throws over the middle stuff to the outside is non existent. It's just again, they wore the same damn number. It's just Jimmy G 2.0. And I don't think there's a Raiders equivalent this time around. That's going to be like, oh yeah, let's. Let's bet on that as our start. [00:36:37] Speaker A: Yeah. I also think it's not a great cycle for that. [00:36:39] Speaker B: No, it isn't. [00:36:40] Speaker A: Just generally the way a lot of [00:36:41] Speaker B: teams are set up, there's plenty of good options. Like, yeah, we could pass that off to the point where like Kirk Cousins has not been mentioned in this. Like we didn't even get into the Browns of it all. Like. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Yep. [00:36:56] Speaker B: So the other aspect with it. And again I come back to the Shanahan thing. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:03] Speaker B: There are very few coaches in the NFL who run actually a true Shanahan offense. I think the McVeigh offense is closer to the number now. I will say that like a Bobby Slowik, Clint Kubiak, those guys, they do, right. Like it does exist. So unless Miami is gung ho about Mac Jones. That's the thing. Kevin O' Connell does not run a Shanahan system. Kevin O' Connell runs a McVeigh system. And in fact he runs a more aggressive version of McVeigh system. They are predicated on outside zone runs, to be fair, which is why everyone goes there. But then, you know, guess What? So do 26 other flipping teams, maybe even 30 run outside zone as their base run. And then two deep shots, deep shots left, right and center. Which is why JJ McCarthy never made a tremendous amount of sense for them and always felt weird. But they just, they just try to bomb that thing deep. And you might go, well, Kirk Cousins was their quarterback. Watch the tape. Watch what they did with him. They bombed it deep down the outside. And yeah, there were some slants and stuff, but like this is a vertical offense. It's air Coryell reinvented. And the idea of getting the worst deep ball thrower in the NFL to come in and run, that just doesn't make sense. When you can get a Jacoby Brissette who does bomb it, when you could get a Joe Flacco for who all his physical limitations because he old can bomb it. Like they're not interested in Jimmy Garoppolo for a reason. Right. They were interested in Daniel Jones because Daniel Jones throws a very nice deep ball for no good reason back in the day. I mean, he was more interested in Willis. [00:38:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:38:45] Speaker B: So we keep coming, we keep coming back to the physical talent Thing. Which then brings me to. Okay, well, Kyle Shanahan has shown that he can get the most out of quarterbacks with lacking physical talent. And in fact, the guys that he has the hardest time with are the ones with the physical talent. Like a Trey Lane. [00:39:00] Speaker A: Well, not. Which. Not as much physical talent as. [00:39:03] Speaker B: No, you're right. You're right. [00:39:05] Speaker A: Well, right. [00:39:06] Speaker B: Or a C.J. beathard who could really bomb it. How'd that look? You know, like. [00:39:09] Speaker A: Yeah, so we could really take a shot to really stand in there and take a shot and not do much else. Cal really loves the Vikings. [00:39:16] Speaker B: Should consider him. No, they shouldn't. He's. He's quite. I know, but it's all to say. It's all to say that I don't think Max going anywhere because the price is too high on the front and the back end and there's not enough teams that actually are looking for a physically limited, you know, super computer quarterback when there are so many viable alternatives on the market to the point where there's going to be a couple of guys left without a chair that probably should. Sure. Do you want to go through what we know or what we've come to the conclusion of real quick? Do we want to recap? [00:39:48] Speaker A: Sure. And then let's do our boldest move because I really want to hear yours and I'm tiring of this quarterback talk. [00:39:55] Speaker B: Raiders. Mendoza. Jets. Brissette. Colts. Jones. Dolphins. Willis. Vikings. Carr. Falcons. Flacco with Penix. I got the Cardinals with Garoppolo, though that can go in any which direction. And. And either Tua or Kyler saw the Cardinals left with the scraps and then the Steelers with either Will Howard or Simpson again. No. No Cousins, no Mac. And until I hear differently, where I'm gonna operate on that premise, both directions. I'm telling you that. Yeah, people are. People are laughing about the car thing. Way too much smoke for this car thing to not be. To not be a little too. [00:40:36] Speaker A: A little too eager. And it might. [00:40:40] Speaker B: It might not happen. I don't know what the Vikings choice, but, like, it just takes one. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't necessarily agree with every choice, but I get the logic on. On most of these. I think the Willis thing is the one I'm. I don't know how the money's going to work. I do agree. It's a good fit. [00:40:57] Speaker B: It's Miami. They'll just launder in some crypto nonsense. [00:41:00] Speaker A: That sounds about right. I want to hear the thing that. That really reeled me in yesterday. The bull. The boldest move the 49ers should make. Not, not, not necessarily realistic or that they will make. Dieter essentially convinced me that he's going to blow my mind. [00:41:17] Speaker B: You ready for it? [00:41:18] Speaker A: But I would love to hear it. [00:41:20] Speaker B: Okay. Again, the premise, boldest move they should make. If you're out here running the team, Dieter, what do you do? And I think you go after a restricted free agent this off season and I think you throw the second round tender with them. And I think that restricted free agent. Are you ready for this? Is Cowboys kicker Brandon Aubrey. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Awesome. First of all, first of all, I [00:41:48] Speaker B: love four years, 27 million second round pick in turn. [00:41:51] Speaker A: So you're saying you give up a second round pick and you just go for Brandon Aubrey? [00:41:55] Speaker B: Yes. I go and get the greatest kicker I have ever seen and you just double down on, on Moody failure and just. Yeah. What are you doing with the second round kick? That's going to be a second round pick that's going to be more valuable than Brandon Aubrey. There was a moment last year where I thought Brandon Aubrey should be the God damn MVP of the NFL. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I think you're right. I mean I, I love it. [00:42:19] Speaker B: I [00:42:22] Speaker A: do. I think that makes sense. [00:42:23] Speaker B: No, it will never happen. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Let's be the idea. [00:42:26] Speaker B: As far as I can, as far as I can tell, I think Matt Barrows was reporting this. The Niners are going to like penny pinch about Eddie Pinero and maybe just bring back Matt Gay or equivalent. So like clearly they're not thinking let's give up a second round pick and pay a kicker 27 million. But they should, they should pay this kicker 27 million. [00:42:45] Speaker A: Which by the way, make it from 70. I love it. [00:42:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. And it's not just that he can make it because we saw Pinero knocking like a 59er. Right? Like it made. No. [00:42:55] Speaker A: Yeah, but, but every, Every inch over 50 yards. With pinero you're like, okay. [00:43:01] Speaker B: Whereas with Brandon Aubrey, he's like taking like a half swing. Like he's at the driving range. It's just going 80 yards in the air. [00:43:08] Speaker A: Beautiful. [00:43:08] Speaker B: It's beautiful. It would. Everyone's life would just be 15% easier if Brandon Aubrey was the kicker on the 49ers. You would never think about that second round pick again. You would never question how much money he makes. They would, they would riot because people don't value kickers. But I'm doubling down. I'm buying the dip. We're all in on the kicker. [00:43:29] Speaker A: I got one for you. [00:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I want to hear it. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Trade Alfred Collins and a second round pick to the Detroit Lions for a limbic Neil. Oh, so here's the, here's the, here's the context. Wow. The Lions are, are in a tricky salary cap situation. They have the fourth fewest. They're about 10 million over the salary cap. As it stands right now, Elim McNeil is set to cost 29 million on the salary cap. If they cut him, it adds another 9 million. I mean, they would never cut him, [00:44:03] Speaker B: Neil. [00:44:04] Speaker A: He's 26. He's tremendous. But let's say the Lions are like, we are screwed financially. We need it out. They would save 11 million on the cap if they traded a limb McNeil. They get Alfred Collins. They say, all right, well, we're resetting ourselves financially. We can work with big boy Alfred Collins and we'll take a second round pick with it. 49ers get a true murderous defensive tackle who's ready made, who's only 26 years old and he cooks. So that's, that's what I'm doing. [00:44:35] Speaker B: That's, that's wild. First off, Ali McNeil has five accrued seasons. He's 25 years old. [00:44:42] Speaker A: It seems impossible. [00:44:43] Speaker B: It isn't. They're doing it with Mikel right now. Like it's such a cheat code to get 20. [00:44:47] Speaker A: I do have one alternative to this move, but it's not. [00:44:49] Speaker B: Is a second round pick on top of Collins a little too rich? I know he's really, really good. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Let's make it a third round pick. [00:44:56] Speaker B: Okay. I'd be in that. I'd be in on that. And you're putting in the sweetener that you have to put in the sweetener. This is an elite defensive tackle. But he's 25. He was. Yeah. I mean, it's just a. Does. How do you like the Collins McNeil? I'm sorry, not the, the, the West McNeil fit? [00:45:16] Speaker A: I think it's a little clunky, but I also think, I also think it's a little stumpy. But McNeil also rushes from like three tech and, and you know, you get sort of the nose tackle from CJ west. So I think that fit kind of works. I. It would be a bummer to lose Alfred Collins. That said, whatever. He's pretty unpolished. He's coming off shoulder surgery. I think you try it with a third round pick and then. And see, again, none of this is happening because. No, no. Yeah, it's not going to go anywhere. But the Lions are in a tricky salary cap position and they could say, hey, if you give us like a guy that's second year in the league, it resets our timeline and we get another pick to work with. [00:45:57] Speaker B: I totally get it for the Lions. I totally get it for the Niners. It's just a question of price. And then is that the best you can do with that trade package? And frankly for both teams, like, is that the best you can get for McNeil? Is that the best you can do with that? Maybe it's. No one feels good. That's why it's a good deal. Right? [00:46:14] Speaker A: Here's my alternative. I know we weren't supposed to do alternatives. [00:46:17] Speaker B: No, no, no. [00:46:17] Speaker A: I love Kenny Clark from the Cowboys, who are also in salary cap hell. They can cut him for nothing. But he's only got eight point. [00:46:27] Speaker B: To be fair, they cannot cut him for nothing because he was the centerpiece of the Micah Parsons trade. So no, they cannot politically cut him. [00:46:35] Speaker A: That's what I mean. But they have Quinn and Williams. They have too much money on the books. Yeah, they would save 21 and a half million if they traded him. His. His base salary from the 49ers would only be 8.8. So depending on the machinations of the roster bonus. I'm not necessarily sure how that works. If you just get him for the base salary, like that clears a lot of money. And then Dallas gets to say, hey, here's a fourth round pick for Kenny Clark. Here's a late third round pick. I don't. Again, I have. I haven't watched enough of Kenny Clark last year to know if he's still what he used to be. I think he was available for a reason and probably pretty disappointing. But in Green Bay the previous year. But I do know he had a better year. I'm just saying if we're getting fun with it and you want to talk about a trade for like a defensive tackle, I think you swing for the fences, go for a limbic Neil and then Kenny Clark is like actually a reasonable option now. Does Dallas make reasonable trades? You might be able to. To steal that for less. Maybe it's a fifth round pick. I don't know. I'm just talking out of my ass here. [00:47:39] Speaker B: But it's an interesting one. It's an interesting. [00:47:41] Speaker A: It's. They need to clear cap space because Dallas has negative 52 million in cap space right now. So you might be able to get them for nothing. [00:47:51] Speaker B: I will say that with the possibility of Jonathan Allen being a cap casualty. The three Tech. Yeah, I'm more concerned about pass rushing. Three Tech. Who can stand Up a little bit in the run game. [00:48:02] Speaker A: I agree. [00:48:05] Speaker B: So there's something there. [00:48:06] Speaker A: But I think there's some like, vet options out there. Defensive tackle, that there are. But then the Vikings, they bring back Avon Hargrave. Vikings are trying to sell him right now. [00:48:16] Speaker B: He had a nice year. Malik Collins had a really nice year. I'm sure everyone can go and get him. [00:48:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:22] Speaker B: What would it take to get Ed Oliver out of Buffalo? [00:48:24] Speaker A: I looked at that one. [00:48:26] Speaker B: I know, that's why I didn't know that, but I presume that that's why I'm asking you. Not likely. [00:48:33] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:48:33] Speaker B: They're. [00:48:34] Speaker A: The Bills are, are in a. I don't know what their gm, like Brandon Beans, a weird gm. They also track Compex very closely and I know like he's kind of all they've got on the defensive line, but he's also, what, 31 or something? [00:48:55] Speaker B: He's, he's shockingly old. Ed Oliver's been around forever and it feels like he's never, it's like, oh, he's just one year away and you're like, no, he's 28, for what it's worth, but 29. He could be a second round pick. [00:49:09] Speaker A: Second round pick Fred Oliver, again, it's tough because, like, you're talking about like great players, but then when the cap stuff gets involved, guys go from either like, yeah, they're worth a second or a third round pick or they're absolutely worthless. It's very strange how that, I think how that changes that quickly in the NFL. [00:49:27] Speaker B: I think, I mean, I'm seeing in the comments, it's like, go get Chris Jones, go get Jeffrey Simmons. It's like those guys aren't available. So, like, it's fun to, you know, shoot out the big names, but like, it ain't, it ain't happening. Ed Oliver might be in that perfect wheelhouse of not a big enough name. [00:49:46] Speaker A: 14 million on the cap, like a [00:49:48] Speaker B: reason fits exactly what it is you need. [00:49:53] Speaker A: I mean, I looked at him. [00:49:55] Speaker B: You could do worse on a second day pick than Ed Oliver. And, and I don't know. Okay. Just, you know, I'm just. By the way, I don't think the Niners are going to do like anything. [00:50:05] Speaker A: No, I don't. No, I think they're going to get a couple mid, mid tier guys. I think Charlie Kohler is the most likely move we put out there. And I still think they're probably going to be like, this makes too much sense. [00:50:16] Speaker B: No, rich. Too rich for us. We can't possibly admit that we were wrong about our tight ends. Jake, we're going to not do a buck 40 again. So let's go through somebody that you're higher on and lower on in draft process this week. [00:50:31] Speaker A: So I'm just going to interpret this as who we expect to fall and who we expect to rise at the NFL combine. Sure. I'm going to go follow Lee Hunter, who I don't understand is a first rounder. He's going to be in my war room that I'm going to put out in a little bit. [00:50:46] Speaker B: Okay. [00:50:47] Speaker A: I listen, I think he's a fine, meaty nose tackle. I don't really see any burst. I don't really get it. [00:50:56] Speaker B: No. [00:50:57] Speaker A: As a first round talent, I think this is a pretty weak defensive tackle class. On early watch. I'm not seeing a lot of explosion. I'm not seeing a ton of upside. I'm seeing like Caleb Banks who has terrible pad level and inconsistencies but also so explosive. [00:51:12] Speaker B: Right. [00:51:12] Speaker A: Someone's just going to take him the first round. There's a lot of, there's not a lot of like great. There's no one even in the tier of Walter Nolan in this site. [00:51:20] Speaker B: Not even close. Not even close. [00:51:22] Speaker A: Do you think Peter woods is closest? I think yeah. [00:51:25] Speaker B: And even he, I mean Peter woods was going into this season was like universal top five. Right. And just people talked about him in exalted tones and he's really fun. I mean, it wouldn't shock me at all if he fell out of the first round now. I don't think he should, but it wouldn't shock me. [00:51:41] Speaker A: I actually, I actually like him. I, I like the violence in his hands. I, I think it's. The negative negativity is being a little overblown. But like Lee Hunter, I don't see the first round talent really at all. I know he's deuced really well and he's a good gap plugging guy, but I, I'm confused about where the physical attributes are coming from. [00:52:02] Speaker B: I do think that there's enough teams that run four eye tight fronts to where they could view him as a true zero and then there's some value there. But for a team that, that's out wide like the Niners, like not a chance in hell. Like. Yeah, it doesn't fit in the least bit. And if you're gonna get somebody like that, take one on day three because they're not three down players. I see a guy who does. I like, I actually like how Hunter gets Out of his. His stance. Like he really pops out of his stance. But then it's just straight ahead and like he's just. Just pushing a blocking sled. [00:52:35] Speaker A: That's the whole thing. [00:52:36] Speaker B: And that's fun. It's not good enough to be a first round pick. least. No expectation. [00:52:42] Speaker A: No, no. Yeah. I think third round steal. Who's going to go in round one and we're going to go. What's that about? [00:52:49] Speaker B: It's. What was the name of the Michigan defensive tackle that went to Miami? [00:52:53] Speaker A: Kenneth Grant. That we. [00:52:54] Speaker B: Yeah. How's he doing? [00:52:56] Speaker A: I don't know. Got to check up on that. [00:52:58] Speaker B: Yeah. The fact that I can't tell you off the top of my head, pretty indicative that my bearishness on Kenneth Grant's future was validated. [00:53:07] Speaker A: Yeah. We were not. [00:53:08] Speaker B: Never saw it. I never saw it. I do need a little bit of twitch, you know, I need a little something. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Jim, how about. How about. Do you want my rise or do you want to give me your faller? [00:53:17] Speaker B: I'll give you my faller. There's a lot of love for Blake Miller, the Clemson right tackle right now. And let me just lay out what I see when I see Blake Miller. I see a footwork guy who can't run block and I see a pass pro guy who has bad pad level and bad hands. So what is it he's good at here? What would you say you do here? Blake Miller? The scouting reports, you know, these are the public ones, right? But. And I haven't done too many. I haven't. I don't think I've talked to him about any with anybody. But like you read the public scouting reports and it's like, oh, he's so tough. Oh, you know, he's just. He's a real gamer. He stayed all four years and played every game. It didn't opt out of the bowl. And I'm like, okay, yeah, but how does he play tackle? Like what. What does that have anything to do? Like, that's nice that, you know, there's [00:54:01] Speaker A: a lot of like this guy played every game. I don't care. [00:54:05] Speaker B: I don't. I mean, I care if he doesn't play every game, but like, yeah, I [00:54:10] Speaker A: care if they're like my hamstrings. Like I tweaked it a month ago and I, I don't want to go today. [00:54:16] Speaker B: That. That matters. And like being tough does matter at the NFL level. This is in no way to say that Blake Miller will not be a starter caliber right tackle in the Colton the Kibitz mold down the line right [00:54:28] Speaker A: where he liked him on early watch. I have to go back and do it again. [00:54:32] Speaker B: You just, you watch the pass pro and you're like, oh, the footwork on pass pro is awesome. And then he's leaning, his hands are just like way outside. And you're like, okay, so he doesn't know what the hell he's doing in his upper body. And then you're like, well, his footwork is so good in pass pro. He's clearly going to be a great run blocker. And then he just sort of leans into people. No hands just sort of just leans into their body. He never attacks with his hands. He's never out in front pushing people down. He's just like, what if I run into your shoulder really hard? And it's like, that's not run blocking, that's just again, blocking sled. And you would. Then you go, well, you know, he's not very refined. It's like, well then what the hell was the point of all of those years playing college football? He didn't miss a game. He didn't apparently get any better either. I. People are talking about him like a first round prospect. I don't think I'm going to have him in the top 10 of my offensive tackle ratings. And frankly, I think he's borderline Day three, day two, right now. [00:55:27] Speaker A: I definitely disagree on my initial watch of him, but I haven't watched him in a bit. [00:55:31] Speaker B: So take, take a look and just keep that in the back of your head and I'll take your positive notes and I'll keep those in the back of my head. But again, if he's a footwork guy, why can't he run block? And if he's a pass pro guy, why does he have bad hands and bad pad level? Like, seems like those are counterintuitive. And then I agree. You know, frankly, I like the left tackle at Clemson is a big black guy. I'm sorry, I forgot his name already. But like, he's considered like a day, you know, round six, round seven pick. I'm like, that guy's better. Plus he was playing left tackle for them, which still means something to me. Always a little bit concerned about the right tackles at the college level. It's like, why aren't you playing left unless you got a lefty quarterback. Just a thought. [00:56:06] Speaker A: Who's your riser on physical talent? Gabe Jackus Jacus from Illinois. I think he's probably gonna test pretty well and you're going to hear a lot of weird compliments about his body. [00:56:19] Speaker B: I do love weird compliments about the body. [00:56:22] Speaker A: There's going to be a lot of that. They're gonna be like, this guy's gonna be Jon Gruden with a hat that's extending 2ft off of his head in a dark room. Getting outrageously. [00:56:33] Speaker B: This guy, man, just. He got me feeling nicey. Is that what's happening here? [00:56:37] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. They should not let him into Indianapolis. Ride any of these prospects. [00:56:48] Speaker B: One of the great bits of media in the last couple of years was they re, you know, barstool with Gruden revived quarterback camp and not as good as I used. I still watch those old quarterback camps on ESPN where they would just stick it in between a sports center. It's like, here's 30 minutes of Gruden being weird, but the one where he's like, Jackson dart. Like, go do your snap count. And he's like. And the smirk on darts face. I'm surprised Gruden didn't kill him, frankly. It would have been better tv, but that was pretty good. [00:57:21] Speaker A: Yeah, that was. [00:57:22] Speaker B: It was rough. [00:57:23] Speaker A: Unforgivable. [00:57:24] Speaker B: Good luck. Good luck to old Jackson dart Jen. Gen Z. Boy. [00:57:30] Speaker A: God. New York media is having a weird one with him. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Well, because they don't understand people. Okay. [00:57:37] Speaker A: A riser. Riser. [00:57:39] Speaker B: I don't know my riser. My natural pessimism made the Blake Miller take me. [00:57:44] Speaker A: Just give me another faller. Let's not do anything positive. [00:57:46] Speaker B: I can do another faller. No, no, no. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Give me, give me a riser. Give me a rest. [00:57:50] Speaker B: Okay. I can go two directions here. I. I'm having a hard time keeping. I'm going to give you two names. We're not going to go into them in depth. I'm having a very hard time keeping Omar Cooper and Jeremy Bernard out of my first round board out of my, my blue tier. Having a hard time. They should be at the top of my green tier, which is, you know, day two picks. Not, not first rounders. Jeremy Bernard is. When it's on, it looks so good. [00:58:19] Speaker A: He's awesome. [00:58:20] Speaker B: He's just not always on. And man, it's. It's getting tough. And Omar Cooper. [00:58:25] Speaker A: There's a lot of really good wide receivers. It's just. I disagree with people on which ones. [00:58:30] Speaker B: Yeah. The Brazil lack of hype might. [00:58:32] Speaker A: I don't understand it at all. [00:58:34] Speaker B: I told you. I told you why it's happening. I told you why it's happening. [00:58:37] Speaker A: I know, I know. I. I know. But I still like, check out the [00:58:41] Speaker B: last episode if you don't know what we're talking about. [00:58:43] Speaker A: Like, yeah, I'm, I'm lower on Cooper. Okay, but give me your. [00:58:49] Speaker B: No, no, lay the knocks. Lay the knocks on me. [00:58:52] Speaker A: I'm not seeing the high end physical upside. Like, I think he's, he's, he is. He does all of like the dirty work. Like he bounces off tackles, he's got flexibility, he's tough. Like, he's an awesome zone receiver and I think he's going to be really productive. I just don't see like the high end wide receiver one upside. I think he's like an awesome sort of like much closer to Debo than Malachi Corley ever was type piece who does is shifty and can run, I think is a little bit better off the line of scrimmage, particularly in intermediate short routes. But I just haven't, I haven't seen the high end upside that a lot of these other guys have. [00:59:36] Speaker B: No, I, I actually agree with that. I think that he's a Z receiver, a number two, more of a gadget than he is a reliable steady eddy option. But like we live in a time where you just put your best receiver in the slot and figure it out from there. And this guy has some serious Bobby Trees, by the way. Congrats to Bobby Trees. He's now on the Rams coaching staff. [01:00:01] Speaker A: So he's gonna go to the Rams. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Who's never not gonna go to the Rams. And then. [01:00:06] Speaker A: No, I mean, I mean, Cooper. Cooper feels. [01:00:09] Speaker B: Oh, it's. Yeah, it's the most. Ramsey. Yeah, it's Gordon Ramsay. That's what this is. And I like this Todd McShay. Todd McShay is kind of on tilt right now. But like I, it did pop up. You know, we share a YouTube account for easy access to sometimes some. Some all 22 tape that, that we can find on deep webs and we save it before it goes offline. Especially with offensive line stuff where our, our cut up service doesn't do the best job with it. And we still love you. Don't go away. But he compared him to Jarvis Landry and I'm like, oh, that's probably right on. Now. Landry was a little skinnier, a little taller, but the same sort of just pro. No, like, this guy's a pro. This guy's a pro. And here's the thing. [01:01:01] Speaker A: I agree with that part. [01:01:04] Speaker B: When I'm. Because I'm in on Casey Concepcion, who I do not think is a number one receiver. Right? Like he is a gadget guy. I Think he's a better gadget guy. I think this is a higher floor Casey Concepcion type. Whereas Casey Concepcion is the high ceiling [01:01:22] Speaker A: gadget type and is coming from a place where he's just, like, been coached so well. Like, he's just both of those. Both of those right. Indiana receivers. I think Elijah Surratt is sneaky, just incredibly polished, and that's why I still have him as my pick for the Niners at 27. [01:01:42] Speaker B: My thing with Jeremy Bernard is that he has unbelievable acceleration off the line of scrimmage, and it's smooth. And he creates crazy separation as an X receiver. Hesitation moves. Good. Deception. Unbelievable footwork. [01:01:56] Speaker A: Deception. [01:01:57] Speaker B: Yeah, deception. Exactly. And there's going to be some questions about his ability to play 50, 50 balls. There's going to be questions about maybe that deep speed. It's mostly quick as opposed to long speed. [01:02:09] Speaker A: I think he's got. And I think he has long speed. [01:02:13] Speaker B: I don't know if it's elite level long speed. I think he's a lead off the line. It might not matter at the NFL level, legitimately. Like, it might not matter because if you press him at all and he has that elite speed, if he separates at all, it's over. [01:02:25] Speaker A: Right. [01:02:25] Speaker B: Whereas in college, when everyone's just Their entire defensive game plan is back up, back up, back up, back up. Like, then the deep speed thing, like, anyone who can get over the top in college, just draft them. Like, I know Dante Thornton. Like, it's like, I don't know if he's a good receiver. It's like, did he get over the top in colleges that are playing Nothing but Cover 4? Like, you can figure it out from there. [01:02:46] Speaker A: Like, they had him run a lot of, like, comeback routes, and you're like, [01:02:49] Speaker B: it's almost as if the Raiders don't know what they're doing. So there's. He shows a willingness to block. Jeremy Bernard's a really good player. The fact that Jeremy Bernard is, like, wide receiver 8 right now is not wrong. It's just to clarify how big the class is. Can I just throw one more name at you, though? We have you, Emmanuel Pergone. [01:03:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, [01:03:14] Speaker B: he is. Oh, he's a special player, man. He's awesome. [01:03:18] Speaker A: His level of violence. I like him more than Joanne, and I know Joanne is like, everyone really likes him. And he's like, people are mocking him at, like, 12, and he's got great pass protection. I just see so much more aggression, the way Prenion plays. He's also got length. Like, when he gets attached he wants to throw you into the dirt. [01:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:40] Speaker A: And, like, stomp out your soul. [01:03:43] Speaker B: This man. And I was built to pancake block. And, like, I. I know that that's not, you know, that's kind of antiquated thinking. Like, I don't know. I still really like it when offensive linemen put their dude on the ground. [01:03:54] Speaker A: I legitimately think, like, I don't think the Niners draft a pure guard in the first round. I'm not even sure that's something that they would ever consider, but, like, premium, I believe, would be worth that. [01:04:04] Speaker B: I think he's the only first. Well, Chase Besantis is pretty damn good, too, but we'll talk about him some other time. Also, there's a lot of good ones. Again, when we're talking about an offensive lineman for the Niners, think tackle who can play guard as opposed to that future tackle. [01:04:19] Speaker A: Give me Trey Zoon. [01:04:21] Speaker B: Talk about Trey Zoon for me, because I was about to mention him, and I figured it was in the can. [01:04:25] Speaker A: Trey Zoon's a guy who I think actually has fantastic athleticism. He played. There's a little bit of Graham Barton there of just a guy where you're like, the arms are probably not there. He's probably not a tackle, and there's a little too much lean. But he was just surviving every rep in almost like a Dominic Puniesque way. [01:04:43] Speaker B: Yes. [01:04:43] Speaker A: Of, like, it doesn't look great every time, but it's almost always functional. And then he's so athletic. He gets off the line great. He always works to, like, for example, if he doesn't attach, like, initially in a perfect way, like, he's not perfectly aligned. He's going to keep fighting with every fiber of his being to get oriented right. To. To strain and just make sure that he's not the reason the play is getting destroyed. And I think at guard or maybe center. Center could be a really good fit for him. He's just a guy that gets out and moves really well. He's got, like, a pretty solid base. Like, his base wasn't really the issue. It was, I think, his length at tackle and sort of oversetting at times. I just think he's a guy that's going to have great athleticism, is going to test really well, is perfectly suited to move inside. I think he's a guy that could sneak into, like, round two. He's probably more of, like, a round three guy, but his. His physical talent's pretty impressive. [01:05:43] Speaker B: I know that we consistently impugn the reputation of pro football Focus. They've never graded anybody better in pass pro in the history of college football grades than Trazon. He gave up. [01:05:59] Speaker A: They get, they get the really good. Right? Yeah. When someone's really good, they're able to identify that. [01:06:04] Speaker B: I think we should give Miles Garrett A10. Yeah, it's pretty easy. Him at guard is awesome. Now he is six, seven, to be clear. [01:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah. It's funny. It's like you think he's not that tall, but it's because he squats like he stays super low. [01:06:21] Speaker B: He sumos. [01:06:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:24] Speaker A: Which I love because he's like resetting his pad level and making sure he's low and can. It's. He plays weird left tackle. I, I don't care. I, I think he's, he's awesome, but I really don't think he's a tackle. [01:06:36] Speaker B: I think he's, I think he's absolutely fantastic and it's just a guaranteed seven year NFL starter. I, I just, yeah. The teams that know what they're doing on the offensive line, one of them is going to get this guy and then we're just going to look back in like three years and be like, what the. Like, how did that happen? Yeah. Whoever gets them, just true ball knowers and Yeah, I, I think he could play tackle. I, I think he's got the size. I think that you can play him. [01:07:04] Speaker A: I think he can probably do it for you in a pinch. Yeah. At least he doesn't try and set. You know, like a guy with super long arms. Like he's not doing the Will Campbell. He's like, he's like doing the thing where he takes a step towards you. I'm forgetting the terminology. There's like three types of pass sets, but he's going at an, at an angle and he's. [01:07:21] Speaker B: Snatch trap. Yeah. In that he's going to have some hard time with, with speed to power. Right. Just naturally he's not getting them squared up, so. [01:07:33] Speaker A: But he moves. [01:07:33] Speaker B: That's not an issue. That is not an issue when you're a guard. And I think it's going to be 32 and a half inch arms for him and. Yeah. Very versatile player. Be very interested. You mentioned Graham Barton. Be very interested if he's a center prospect. If people want. Did he take any snaps at center at the Shrine. But he was at the Shrine or the senior. [01:07:55] Speaker A: I think he was at the Senior Bowl. I feel like he did. I feel like he did take some snaps. [01:07:59] Speaker B: I'll have to check my notes on that. [01:08:00] Speaker A: I think teams do View him as a center. Not maybe not all, but some. [01:08:05] Speaker B: We'll have to color coordinate them accordingly. [01:08:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:07] Speaker B: All right, very fast. Let's do some questions. Get the hell up out of here. [01:08:10] Speaker A: Yep. [01:08:11] Speaker B: There's only a few shouts to. To Joe for becoming a member. Love having you. [01:08:17] Speaker A: I don't have you like Keegan Trost. Vaguely, if I remember. I don't. I don't really like. [01:08:22] Speaker B: I do like Keegan Trost. Have Any thoughts on J.C. davis? You can also just say no. [01:08:27] Speaker A: No, I haven't. [01:08:27] Speaker B: I have not watched J.C. davis yet. Keegan Trost, an elite run blocker, created massive holes on the right side for Missouri. I think can play tackle. He's not of an elite size, but I don't think that that's going to particularly matter because he's clear right tackle. I would not be shocked in the least bit if Keegan Trost was very high on the 49ers board as a day three option. The production was just too good. And he has such great displacement of even power ends. Right. I know there's a lot of speed ends in college. He gets to power ends. He's able to do those reach blocks that. That can displace them on their rush. He's able to get, you know, step over and drive him out to the right. Like, his footwork's unbelievable. His power is shocking given his frame. I think that he's going to be a really, really good tackle and an absolute steal on day three. So that. That's Keegan Tr. Under the impression from conversations that I was having that he was going to be a riser. I'm not getting that sense right now. [01:09:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:33] Speaker B: Which, hey, more power to whomever gets him. [01:09:37] Speaker A: By the way, the combine doesn't even really start until the weekend. [01:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I'm kind of over the comic. Just give me the goddamn numbers. [01:09:46] Speaker A: I know. Just give me the numbers. This is. [01:09:49] Speaker B: Again, I don't think this is true. I don't think this is true. I. I got two texts, four texts after our last show about, like, yeah, brat. Like, we really like Brazil. [01:10:04] Speaker A: He's a first rounder. I. I don't care what anyone says. He's clearly a first round talent. [01:10:09] Speaker B: I think he's. Yeah, I think he's the second best wide receiver in this class. And I think that he's. A lot of people like Makai Lemon, I'm not gonna inherently disagree with them. I got a weird bias against USC stuff. Not even a Notre Dame fan. [01:10:23] Speaker A: Just don't. [01:10:24] Speaker B: Or UCLA just Can't. Can't do it with Lincoln Riley. Don't trust them. There's something off. I. I kind of like the other USC wide receiver, maybe, you know, really well. [01:10:33] Speaker A: Jacoby Lane. [01:10:34] Speaker B: Yeah. I like him a lot. So there's something with lemon, and it felt. It felt video gamey, which can be a compliment. This one, this. This. I say with a pejorative tone. Brazil's just his ability to decelerate and get into brakes. [01:10:52] Speaker A: It's. Honestly, it's on. It shouldn't be possible. [01:10:56] Speaker B: You want to know. You want to know my comp for Brazil? So, like. Yeah, you know. Do you know how tall CD Lamb is? [01:11:04] Speaker A: Six, two. [01:11:07] Speaker B: Now, CD Lamb's like six foot flat, but if you were to watch him play, you'd think he's like 6, 3, 6, 4. [01:11:13] Speaker A: He looks a lot taller. What. [01:11:14] Speaker B: What if that. What if CD Lamb was, in fact, that tall? That's what Brazil is. To me, he's just. He's a true X. CD Lamb. [01:11:25] Speaker A: Yeah, he's awesome, I think, and I think he works in any system. I genuinely like. [01:11:32] Speaker B: Jesus Christ, can you imagine putting that dude in the slot? [01:11:36] Speaker A: No. No, I don't. [01:11:37] Speaker B: That's frightening. Or if you put £15 on him, then he's George Pickens. He doesn't even need. [01:11:43] Speaker A: I don't even think he needs the weight. He blocks so well for his size. [01:11:47] Speaker B: He's. He's like Juwan Jennings with all the sliders pushed to the right. [01:11:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's freakish. Which. On the same sort of topic. Mike Evans or Juwan Jennings? Mike Evans. I'm gonna say Mike Evans. [01:12:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So this is. I don't dislike the Mike Evans idea, which was floated by Jason Linfora, who likes to float things. I. First off, let's be clear. He's not leaving Tampa. We've done this before. He's not going anywhere. That ownership group does a little bit too much. Forever Giants, forever Warriors, Right? Want a Super? By the way, I did love the Jason McIntyre. Yeah, he never even. [01:12:30] Speaker A: Incredible. [01:12:32] Speaker B: I seem to remember a Super bowl, day one. Tom Brady was there. Heaven forbid we paid attention. I. I think he sticks around. I don't think that he has any incentive to go. I think if he were to leave, it'd be like a Keenan Allen situation where he just shows back up in Tampa the next year. I think Keenan Allen's a much more viable option, though not nearly as good and definitely doesn't play the same position. [01:12:56] Speaker A: Either way, this isn't a vein of receiver. I'm necessarily interested in if I am the 49ers. [01:13:03] Speaker B: Well, yeah, you go with Mike Evans because Mike Evans is an actual productive X receiver and Juwan Jennings is a power slot that plays up again. Let's never forget what John Jennings was brought in to do and what he did in a very high. [01:13:16] Speaker A: He's a third down slot receiver. [01:13:18] Speaker B: Third down slot receiver who just absolutely dunked on nickelbacks repeatedly because he would get a little bit of separation and then he could physically domineer them. And then it's like, oh, you have to play X now. And it's like, right, how'd that work out? [01:13:31] Speaker A: Yeah, two, two more. Does Nick Martin have a career? We'll find out. [01:13:36] Speaker B: He's getting paid. I mean he's got, he's got a job and a half, man. He gets paid. He doesn't even have to do special teams. [01:13:42] Speaker A: He does. [01:13:44] Speaker B: Martin, sorry, like we will find out. But like how about he gives you a couple of good special teams rep before you start worrying about if he [01:13:53] Speaker A: can play well, he started, he started. He had a, he had a couple in the second half of the season. It took a while. [01:13:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Then they took him off the field again. I know that they say, oh, it was the concussions. He was pulled out of special teams before in that game. I, I, I, I was on it like a fly on shit, man. Back to Jeff Goldblum references like double whammy. Jeff Goldblum reference. Like he can't play special teams. How do you expect him to play Will? [01:14:19] Speaker A: I think he got better at special teams, but yeah, he has to. Yeah, I'm with you. I was not impressed. I think he can play one way special teams and the other side he's a liability. As I broke down breakdown. [01:14:30] Speaker B: You broke it down very well, Alberto. [01:14:32] Speaker A: There's a scenario where a good CB will be available at 27. There will be multiple good corners available at 27. [01:14:39] Speaker B: It gets into a little. I do think it depends on where you think Terrell is going. [01:14:43] Speaker A: Yeah, Avian, that's who I wanted to talk about because that's going to be in my guy. So I'm losing my mind a little bit here because he is so objectively sick and outstanding at the position of cornerback and so they're going, well, he's going to play nickel at the next level. [01:15:05] Speaker B: No, he's, no he isn't. Sorry. He isn't. He's great. [01:15:09] Speaker A: So I think he can play outside corner. I think here's the thing, the idea. God, I don't know how to Mute a phone. The idea that if he plays nickel, like, it's a huge detriment and he should be knocked down the board. This is a year. This is a time where corners are positionally flexible. You have, and I took note of all these different guys. There's so many corners that are like 5, 11 or 6 foot. Yeah, like so many that are awesome, that can play in the slot. They can play outside for you that are just super, super dynamic players. [01:15:44] Speaker B: And so Niners literally have one. [01:15:47] Speaker A: Exactly. Cooper Dean is 6ft. Devon Witherspoon is 6ft. Trent McDuffie's 5' 11. Denzel Ward is 5' 11. Kobe Durant is 5' 11, 182, which is the exact size Avion Terrelles. Unless he measures as shorter than that or with stumpy arms, I'm not going to be concerned. I've seen him play and maybe he's not an outside corner on every single snap. Right. And maybe he's a guy that slots inside, but like, oh, what, what a [01:16:12] Speaker B: terrible thing it would be to have a really good corner to play in the. [01:16:15] Speaker A: He's just so obviously a tremendous corner. I watched him lock up Matthew golden last year and again, Matthew golden, whatever. But some people were like, this is clear. This is the number one wide receiver in this class. He put him in in clamps. Like, he literally locked him up every snap in a way where I went, who is that kid? And you watch him. He runs people's routes for them. He's a tremendously smart, fluid, sharp corner. He might be available 27. I don't understand it. I, I still. He's on. He's going to be a top 10 player for me. [01:16:47] Speaker B: I compared him to Witherspoon. He reminds me a lot of him. Both from Illinois. [01:16:51] Speaker A: Witherspoon's more physical, but yeah. [01:16:53] Speaker B: And Witherspoon's got the longer arms. You can play him inside, you can play him outside. He can blitz from every level. That's a really fun part of his film. He's a real irritant. Great ball skills. He's a little wonky in terms of playing, man, but he's so physically gifted, he gets away with it consistently. Don't see that changing at the NFL level. If his arms were a little bit longer and he weighed 10 pounds more, he'd be a top five pick. I like him better than his brother. His brother's one of the best players in football. Can't put him in that gold category like that super elite guy, that top five pick thing, because he gets a little. [01:17:22] Speaker A: He's almost there for me. Yeah. [01:17:23] Speaker B: But that's a little lost on shifty routes because he's so aggressive. But it wouldn't shock me if he was a perennial pro Bowler and an infrequent all Pro. [01:17:31] Speaker A: He's awesome. [01:17:32] Speaker B: If he's at 27. Run to the podium. Run. [01:17:37] Speaker A: I agree, I agree, I agree. He's like. Yeah. I think he's a paradigm shifting corner. He's awesome. [01:17:43] Speaker B: And I know there's going to be a lot of. So like. And then the other aspect. Oh, well, he's gonna be a slot. So why wouldn't you take Ponds or why wouldn't you take Scott with Miami? Well, Scott's too big and doesn't have the fluidity in the hips to be anything press. And he might be more of a safety, but then I'm not sure he has the movement ability to play safety. He needs to be in the action. He's like a old school strong safety, a Huanga type, but with a smaller body. So it will work for somebody. I'm just not sure it works for the 49ers. And there's. [01:18:11] Speaker A: There's two guys like that. There's like Brandon, cc. Yeah. [01:18:15] Speaker B: And yeah, I love Scott. I think he's a great player. I think he'll be a good pro. And then Ponds is fantastic, but he's not even close to six feet, which now we're into. [01:18:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:28] Speaker B: Statistical outline. He is so good. [01:18:32] Speaker A: And then there's like, you know, you could take a chance at like Igbosan being like, maybe if we just coach him up, he'll be the best corner in this class. [01:18:39] Speaker B: Maybe. Or, or, or he, you know, it's third round. I mean, that, that's where I'm with you. There's a lot of good corners. I love the kid out of San Diego State, you know, obviously. [01:18:49] Speaker A: Yep. I love the kid out of Florida, Devin Moore. [01:18:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm not sure. I think he's a safety. [01:18:53] Speaker A: I know that's. [01:18:54] Speaker B: That's neither here nor there. At least I'm not pretending that Najee Harris, soon to be 49 or Naji Harris, is a fullback. [01:19:00] Speaker A: God, if I hear. If I see another video of him going slightly on a treadmill, somebody posting an agent video, I'm gonna lose it anyway. [01:19:08] Speaker B: Oh, is that happening right now? [01:19:09] Speaker A: Yep, it is. Great progress. [01:19:12] Speaker B: Okay, awesome. [01:19:14] Speaker A: All right. [01:19:15] Speaker B: Excited to talk to him in March. [01:19:18] Speaker A: We'll be back on Thursday. [01:19:19] Speaker B: We will. [01:19:20] Speaker A: And we will be chatting about whatever [01:19:23] Speaker B: football draft we'll find out. [01:19:27] Speaker A: We'll figure it out. [01:19:28] Speaker B: See you do Hutch report. It's on the screen. Bye. [01:19:31] Speaker A: Yeah.