Our Pre-Combine NFL Draft Top 50 (Sorta)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign, [00:00:07] Speaker B: It's Dieter and Hutch, and we're talking NFL draft, which is what we were put on this earth to do. Jake, combine starts this week. All of these takes are about to look real dumb because everyone's gonna get frothy over some dude's broad jump, but here we are. [00:00:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's important to. To do as much analysis as you can before the measurables are out to go. Because it's funny because sometimes there's measurables and teams are like, well, we actually have his on field numbers and the speed is way different. So, like, he might have tested mediocre in the 40, but he looks fine on the field. Then there's some guys where you're like, yeah, they don't look that fast on the field at all. I do think it's overall pretty helpful for us. And I think the most useful stuff is probably the explosion scores for some of the big guys where you're like, I don't know, Jim. But then he jumps, and then he jumps, and I'm like, I'm in. I'm in. And I know the 49ers very, very, very much value the broad jump for their. For their big, beautiful rotund boys. [00:01:13] Speaker B: Well, I did not. I gave you very little prep for this because we've been doing a lot of prep separate and equal, which is always a good way to go about life. Right. And we're going to let that one die on the vine. There are three things that I think that you can actually garner on a. On a quantitative basis from the combine that are useful inherently. Just measurements. This stuff does matter. And I think that as much as I love tape and as much as I want to see guys play football, there is a level of extrapolation where measurements come into play. So, like, we'll get into it when we will have our guys here, but, like, let's just use Ruben Bain, someone that everybody, if you're here on the channel, if you know football, if you've been thinking about the draft at all, you know Ruben Bane. If you watched an ounce of college football, you know Ruben Bane. Ruben Bane got short little arms. I don't care when it comes to him, but when you. [00:02:07] Speaker A: He's like a T Rex. [00:02:08] Speaker B: He's fantastic. And it might create some issues, but he's also just wickedly strong. And I don't really. There are some guys where you need the measurables because they're not good enough as a player to where those measurables won't come into play. They're going to be in a lot of 50, 50 battles. And then it's well, who is the better fighter with Ruben Bane? He's on this planet to put pain in your soul. So it really never really comes into play unless he's going up against an worthy adversary, of which there are going to be very few at the NFL level. But measurements matter, especially as we get deeper and deeper into the draft and I would even argue kind of outside of the top 10. They really matter if they, if you have not shown that you are just a preternatural talent, I think the measurements matter. And it doesn't have to be, you know, a defining factor. It's just these are now important data points. [00:03:01] Speaker A: It's helpful for like crossing guys off your list, for sending guys other up the list and validating some concerns you [00:03:09] Speaker B: might have had 100%. And again, the flip side of this is a Will Campbell, who everyone goes, I don't know, he's got these short arms and then there's enough people, I was not one of them. You were not one of them. Who was like, you know, he, he has, he didn't qualify to that sort of elite tier. And we'll break down what that elite tier means to us and how we classify it. But he wasn't there. He was good, but he wasn't great. Clearly a first round guy. And then you see in the playoffs with his legs not being 100% under him, those measurables really came into play and he's going up against more than worthy adversaries and he's getting wrecked. And that's why the Patriots lost the Super Bowl. You mentioned the broad jump. The broad jump matters a tremendous amount when you're looking for explosion from linemen. How fast can you get up and get out? That matters a lot. That is, for lack of a better term, an ass score. And we don't need to get into how I'm a big booty man and all things in life, but like these, these things matter. That is the powerhouse is the mitochondria is the powerhouse of a football player. And when you're talking about trench play, I'm looking for big butts. I cannot lie. And broad jump is going to show me that. As you, as you alluded to the two other drills that I think really matter, particularly for trench players, three cone and short shuttle. Not just okay, how fast can you get up out of your stance and get and make something happen? How well can you change directions? Yeah, what's your acceleration to you do [00:04:38] Speaker A: you have some balance with that frame. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Absolutely. So those are the three that I'm going to pay attention to. I will say that I think that the combines usefulness has diminished as more and more players, somewhat like bowl season, have just decided that it's not worth it for them. Also, you will have a media narrative around how well a guy ran. Okay, again, as you alluded to, GPS data gives us a better indication, though, there. I'm not saying 40 doesn't matter at all. I just prefer the cones. And then, oh, well, he threw really well at the combine. In the words of McCronen, I could give a rat's ass how well you throw at the combine. That is the kind of stuff that fools bad teams into a false sense of security. I need to see how well you throw. And there are 11 men trying to stop you from throwing the football, albeit sometimes you don't have the greatest personnel around you. But how well do you play football? Because I can go out there and hit some targets in the backyard, and that's effectively what they're doing at the combine. [00:05:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't really care about most of the quarterback stuff. I was. I was there. I watched it one year. They let a few reporters in to just sit in the bleachers. It's kind of a strange exercise. I don't. I don't know what the point was, but we get. You sort of get to volunteer and be someone to watch, which was fun. But you don't. [00:05:58] Speaker B: You're like, wait a minute. This is it. [00:06:00] Speaker A: Like, oh, I'm stuck here for three hours. Oh, what have I done? But you're stuck in Indianapolis and you're alone and a young journalist, and so you don't know what to do with your time anyway. So you go, this will work. [00:06:09] Speaker B: I'll give you that. I'll give you that class. The other aspect of the combine, this is a soft thing. This is qualitative, and this is something that you and I got into on Tuesday. We are at a point of finalization on a lot of things when it comes to front offices right now. I think pro personnel boards, if they're not done already, need to be completely done for free agency. The draft boards are well put together ahead of time. It is a rough draft, but they have the names that they're looking at. And every year this is validated in conversations that I have around the draft where someone shows up at the combine. Let's just use the most clear example that everyone had access to. So Brandon Bean, the Bill's GM they had a whole thing about, actually, it wasn't Brandon's fault. You find in NFL films of him being miked up talking about Keon Coleman not doing so hot at the combine, and he's like, that's great. That means that we can get him because again, it's a seed and maybe even more than that of, oh, we really like Keon Coleman. So there's some confirmation bias that goes into the combine as well because, okay, well, he's going to test well. Now, I know that this guy that I really like off of our initial evaluations is going to go higher because everyone's going to see these athletic scores. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:32] Speaker B: And that compared with combined with the tape is going to rise him up boards also. Same thing in reverse. Hey, we can maybe wait a little bit on this guy. Right. Because the combine scores aren't there. All this to say that the combine is really just the high school lunchroom of the NFL and opportunity for coaches to all get drunk together. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a lot of guys. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's a lot of guys saying, what do you think about this guy? I've heard this about this guy. What do you. What are you thinking? I don't know. I kind of like this. I think this guy's overrated. And then a little trash talking. [00:08:08] Speaker B: I bring this up. Yeah, strange event only because, I mean, it's truly a strange event in Indianapolis, no less. But I bring this up only because there's. We're at a point of validation in the discourse towards a Mac Jones trade. And I am adamant, to my understanding, as the information that I have that I can garner, that the tea leaves that I'm reading, that he's not getting traded for a couple of reasons. One, the comp pick, it's all about the comp picks. Two, I don't think anyone's going to meet their sky high price, which is almost assuredly a top 50 pick and a player which of course is their starting negotiation, and they'll come down for one or the other. I don't think anyone's going to give them a really good player. I don't think anyone's going to give them a top 50 draft pick, much less one and in coordination. And the other aspect of this, and this is something that I heard the other day and I think has a lot of validity and no one had brought it up prior in the countless conversations that we've been having about this, both on screen and certainly off, is, you know, Purdy's contract as it Stands is kind of in the last year of serious business. Like they, they're still guaranteed money next [00:09:27] Speaker A: year, but if every single year it sort of guarantees itself. [00:09:31] Speaker B: That's true with the rollovers and such. But if something goes catastrophically wrong, and I'm not projecting that at all, but if something goes catastrophically wrong, they can move on from Brock Purdy whether his elbow explodes again or whatever, they can move on from Brock Purdy if they wanted to. At the end of this year, wouldn't you just go with Mac Jones at that point? Wouldn't you sign Mac Jones to a new contract, make him your starter until you can get a younger guy in there? Like the idea of oh well, Brock could get injured, so you need Mac is enough to justify not getting rid of Mac. But then also I know that they have the total faith. [00:10:11] Speaker A: But also wouldn't his contract be protected for injury if he's hurt? [00:10:16] Speaker B: I don't know what that would do. [00:10:17] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure he has like a ton protected for injury. So that would be, that would be. The argument of like that scenario doesn't make sense. I, I do think the argument of like keeping Mac because he's cheap and just holding on to him as an asset makes sense. I think trading him mid season is a possibility. If a team gets desperate and says, hey, we actually believe we have a chance this year, here's a third round pick and then you get it for next year's draft, which is better, I could see that. I do think, I do think hedging against Brock being hurt makes a lot of sense. I think that in a vacuum of just like you can't trust him to be fully healthy and you have an asset that you know will protect your season makes a ton of sense. I just don't know if it's. If them like wanting to get off Brock's contract. [00:11:09] Speaker B: I'm just saying that if there is any inclination that Brock isn't the guy. Do you want to have traded Mac Jones because now you're using whatever you got for him to go get the quarterback in an amalgamation of picks to move back up to get a quarterback. So if there's a single ounce of doubt, and frankly with his injury history, there should be at least an ounce. Like why wouldn't you. [00:11:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:34] Speaker B: Keep Mac around. [00:11:35] Speaker A: No, no, I, I think unless you get a second round pick, which seems unlikely, or if someone's willing to give you something solid next year, like I think if someone gives you a third next year and maybe something else that's workable because I think next year's picks are going to be so much more valuable, even though that's not usually how the scale goes. But even then it's like he's so valuable to you and so cheap that holding on to him, I think makes overwhelmingly makes the most sense. I just wonder if their timeline, if their desire to add young pieces and all the, you know, the holes they want to fill, if that affects it. [00:12:16] Speaker B: I just don't think that anyone's going to make him the Godfather offer. And then this comes back to kind of the original point. A lot of business gets done at the combine. If Mac Jones is getting traded, we're going to know come the end of the combine because I think that's fair. We're already having, you know, I could just attest to myself, like the quarterback carousel conversation is hot to trot right now. Everybody around the league, everyone outside the league, you know, who's, who's not in any buildings is having it right now. And these front again, pro personnel boards are already done. So they know what they're doing. They at least know their plan of attack. And free agency. Draft boards have rough drafts. So if someone's looking at the rough draft of the draft board where there's one first round quarterback, frankly, I know that Ty Simpson has his. No, you and I agree on that. I don't think that that's going to be a universal belief. There will be a team or two that believes in Ty Simpson or believes in Peyton out of North Dakota State. Like there will be teams that talk themselves into that. That's a mistake. But there will be teams to talk themselves. [00:13:18] Speaker A: If you want to run a Navy offense, Cole Payton's awesome, you know, go for it. [00:13:25] Speaker B: I mean, I would like to run a Navy offense. [00:13:27] Speaker A: I do like, I like him. I've watched a lot of FCS football this year. [00:13:31] Speaker B: If any, if any team wants to just run the option. Baltimore got close. They got so close not that long ago. I, I'd be all in on that. But he's just. [00:13:39] Speaker A: Taysom Hill. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, yeah. [00:13:48] Speaker A: Maybe in the middle somewhere. [00:13:49] Speaker B: My point, my point is only, you know what quarterbacks are roughly going to be available in free agency either via projected cuts or, or just straight up free agents. You know which quarterbacks, where quarterbacks are roughly going to fall because that's where everyone starts, by the way. Everyone starts with evaluating quarterbacks because the tape is really everything with the quarterbacks. [00:14:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:09] Speaker B: So you don't need the combine. And I am, I'm not hearing anything about anyone being like, oh, you know who should be our quarterback next year? Mac Jones. I'm hearing a lot of talk about Jacoby Brissette being an option in a trade with Arizona, but I'm not hearing a lot of love for Mac Jones out there. And if I don't hear something by the end of this combine, I'm operating on the premise that he's sticking around because those plans would. Those wheels would have to be in motion by the end of the combine if something's going to happen here and the Niners have to make this kind of move, if they're going to make it as early as possible so that they can approach free agency in the draft with the appropriate. [00:14:47] Speaker A: You need to have sniffs of it. You need to have sniffs of it. So that, I mean, that I, I think would not happen before free agency. Any move, make, any move happens in the window after free agency leading up to the draft, but you have to have like a hint of, okay, some teams are considering this. If they can't spend 35 million on Malik Willis or whatever it is. [00:15:07] Speaker B: I think, I think that's there. Like, okay, so, like, who loses out on Malik Willis? Which again, what a, what a wonderful sentence. They're going to go. And they, you know, then there's the Kyler of it all. And there's, listen, there's a lot of quarterback. [00:15:21] Speaker A: There's always a quarterback you don't think is going to be available that becomes available. There's always a weird thing that happens [00:15:26] Speaker B: late in the cycle where he talk, right? [00:15:29] Speaker A: Derek Carr being like, I, I would unretire for the right team and everyone's like, stay retired. We're good. [00:15:35] Speaker B: That, right, that right team is going to end up being the jets if. If sources are accurate. So it's, it's all to say that, like, again, we're finding dudes who literally haven't played football in a year, and there's enough talk about him going to the jets that there's, like, serious smoke to that. And yet I don't hear anybody. And again, this could just be a complete limitation of my conversations and my reporting, but I'm all ears on somebody other than suggesting it, but giving some smoke signal whatsoever that this team is interested in Mac Jones. The one team that I think everyone just, again, conjectures out there is interested in Mac Jones is the Vikings. I can tell you the Vikings aren't interested because the Vikings don't run an offense that's conducive to Mac Jones. I know that everyone Goes, oh, Kevin o', Connell, outside zone. They run a deep shot offense. He's the worst deep ball thrower in the NFL. Like, I don't. I don't see the fit there at all. They'd go with Joe Flacco legitimately before they go. Actually. They might actually go with Joe Flacco. That's my love to see it. [00:16:36] Speaker A: I'd love to see it. [00:16:37] Speaker B: That is old and young and all that. So let's do our. Let's do some draft. [00:16:42] Speaker A: Yeah, let's do our list. Let's do our list. Who do we. [00:16:45] Speaker B: Do you want to start with yours or do you want to start with mine? [00:16:47] Speaker A: Happy to start with mine. Mine's a little bit shorter. [00:16:52] Speaker B: Let's be clear. Essentially, looking at here. [00:16:55] Speaker A: Okay, we made it in. You know, people like to do blue chip. [00:16:57] Speaker B: We just did gold. [00:16:58] Speaker A: Like guys that are absolute gold that we feel fantastic about. I have six on my list. You can read into it essentially, as top five worthy players. I have Arvel Reese, number one. He is sick. He's so sick. [00:17:18] Speaker B: I'll just show you mine here real fast. So I have arvell reese. 2. I have downs. 1. You have downs to reese, 1. Yeah, my. You're right that he's sick. He's unquestionably the best player in this. I honestly mean this. I'm a big Caleb Downs guy. Huge Caleb Downs guy. I think he's perfect. Arvell Reese is the best player in this draft. The reason that he's not one on my board is I personally don't know what to do with him. Right. [00:17:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. I think I kind of get that. I think the way the. The Cowboys started the career of. Why do I forget his name every time? [00:17:58] Speaker B: I forget he didn't play at all really, this past year. Micah Parsons. [00:18:01] Speaker A: Right. But. But Reese, like, I think can truly play linebacker for you. I think, obviously, if you're taking him one, you want him as an edge rusher. I feel comfortable saying 4, 3, 3, 4. Scheme, whatever. You play him as an edge and then if you want to use him as an outside linebacker to get some cool packages in, yeah, you absolutely can. I would say he's an edge. And then you build in some other packages where you say, hey, we're going to let you drop into coverage here. We're going to mix it up. You're going to rush from every different angle we can possibly use you at. That's how I would use. [00:18:37] Speaker B: That's where my mind is in that if you have the right coaching it's the easiest thing in the world. You just build the whole machine out of Arvell Reese. Which is so much easier said than done at the NFL level because it's not like even the worst teams don't have some serious pros on the roster. Arvell Reese would be best served by not getting drafted where he'll get drafted, because the teams that consistently pick early will fuck this up. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Anyone that's not the jets, any, any [00:19:11] Speaker B: other fuck them up. Like how about this? Just bank. I know he'll get his fifth year option picked up or whatever, but like just get really excited for Arvel Reese in five years when he gets to go to a competent organization. Because whether it's the. I mean for. And how about, how about this, I'll just throw this out there. Would the Raiders be better served by just getting Arvell Reese in the building than Mendoza? [00:19:35] Speaker A: I kind of think so. I kind of think yes. I think especially if you trade Max Crosby, which, I don't know, it's a strange situation, but it's also like they're gonna want their quarterback, they're gonna want Mendoza and that seems like the most logical option. I still have like a few questions about the high end ceiling, but I think he's probably a more likely just very good solid quarterback with. [00:20:03] Speaker B: I had him as like the love child of Andrew Luck and Kirk Cousins, which kind of brings him down from Luck level. [00:20:12] Speaker A: Yeah, there is a flat ball. Does that make sense? [00:20:14] Speaker B: You know, there's not a lot of variants. He's a clear window thrower which that could be an issue with the Raiders. But Glenn Kubiak in theory, shouldn't that be that big of an issue moving forward? He's just operating. I mean we. I've been watching a lot of the Indiana offensive line and wide receivers, like they have a lot of draftable players. He's clearly the best player on that. [00:20:39] Speaker A: His mobility is. Is really helpful too in terms of like is. Is the high level arm talent. There is. You know, does he need to layer the ball more? Maybe yes, all the above. But at the same time I think he processes the game well and he did it on the biggest stage against very, very difficult defenses. [00:21:00] Speaker B: Totally. [00:21:01] Speaker A: And he also can just throw, throw like the most perfect back shoulder fade you've ever seen every time. Which has a good bailout. [00:21:11] Speaker B: He has it between the ears. He can make all the throws. He can move. He keeps. He's in that perfect wheelhouse where he's going to keep you totally honest because of his Feet. But he's not a good enough runner to where he'll like use it as a crutch kind of in that party mold a little bit though. He doesn't have that first step quickness. He's got the height, which does matter a lot, in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, I, I can't, I can't blame anybody for taking him one overall, especially in this class because quarterbacks are so valued. What did you make? I mean, you have downs too. There's, we're apparently in a cycle right now of crapping on Caleb downs. [00:21:50] Speaker A: I disagree. No, I heard the exact opposite. [00:21:54] Speaker B: No, I mean, I've been, I've been, I've been talking them up to people left, right and center because I love it. I love it. And frankly, the not they're like, well, what about the fact that Ohio State kind of like kept him, you know, covered or like he doesn't have the right size or, you know, he sometimes gets. [00:22:08] Speaker A: Size is a little bit more of a concern in terms of being like, you know, talking about him as like a generational player and he doesn't have the size, but he also has like a frame where he's physical enough to deal with a lot. And I think he's usually just in the right place. So, so often I just think he's, he's got it between the ears in a way that's really special. And he has enough physical traits. Like he's, he's fast, he's physical. The height is more of a concern. But it's, it's, you can kind of put him anywhere. And I think he's going to succeed. [00:22:45] Speaker B: So I just find it totally laughable that they're the nitpicking on him. It's like, okay, yes. Is he the perfect specimen? I mean, he ain't far off. He, and then they go, well, you know, he's really aggressive. Sometimes he overdoes. I think he gets bored. Like, I, I, I legitimately think that [00:23:06] Speaker A: going up also a defense where everyone's cleaning up everything else before he can get in, that's where I'm at. [00:23:12] Speaker B: You know, you have Sonny Styles, who you have on your board at 13. I have him at. Where do I have him? 15. Like Sonny Styles, a former safety, unbelievable linebacker. I got some questions about pad level and size. That's really my limitation. But like when that guy's at your second level, when you have how many first round picks on that defense, like, he just didn't have a lot to do. And so anytime something he just get bored. I think he just got bored. He's. He's a kid who needed to move up a grade, right. Like two years ago. I mean, there's captain for Alabama as a freshman, right? [00:23:48] Speaker A: What are there four first round picks from the Ohio State defense? If you include McDonald? Maybe. [00:23:54] Speaker B: Maybe I don't have him on my board. Do you have him on your board? [00:23:57] Speaker A: Not as a clear first rounder. He's my one, he's a one, two guy for me. [00:24:00] Speaker B: I didn't even have him as a. Could have been a first rounder. I think he's too limited in. He's just, he's just a run stuffer, [00:24:09] Speaker A: which is great, but. [00:24:11] Speaker B: Okay, well, we'll talk. [00:24:12] Speaker A: We will talk about it. Not, not on this show. [00:24:15] Speaker B: Okay. Reuben Bane, we already got to. He's just a Ruben Bane freak. Jeremiah Love is a fascinating player. There's some division there, I would say, between. Listen, everyone thinks that Jeremiah loves a first round level running back, which is a rarity in and of itself. The question is, how high do you have them? You and I actually haven't talked about Jeremiah Love, I don't think at all. And it's interesting that we both, as we come here, I had him at seven. He was the last guy who made my elite. You have him at 5, above Carnell Tate. Why? [00:24:48] Speaker A: He kind of just runs through everything and there's like a patience and, and an ability to get through difficult spots that I think he shouldn't have at his size. I think sometimes when he's running like a crack toss or something, you're like, is he fast enough? And then you see him once he gets through the line of scrimmage, he's like gone. [00:25:10] Speaker B: Yes. [00:25:11] Speaker A: I just think he has so many tools at his disposal to deal with high level athletes trying to destroy him on every play. I think he has an incredible feel for just how to play running back. I need to watch more of him as a receiver, but I've seen him do some pretty impressive things as a wide receiver. I think his size is pretty impressive. [00:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but I was quarter in that Miami game. They, they first off, they. Because they have another arguable first round. I, I didn't have him running back on the team. They would just put him out wide as a receiver. I thought he was a really good deep route runner. He broke it off at the top. It was really impressive. And then, you know, you read some scouting reports, you talk to some people and they're like, I'm not so sure about him as a receiver. What Are we missing, like, what am I watching here? Like, I think he could play receiver. He's like a day two, day three receiver himself. And then my only knock on him is that I don't. He seems a little impatient as an outside zone runner in that he won't press the edge long enough. He'll just kind of take the first thing, but then he spins three times and does some cool stuff. [00:26:19] Speaker A: That is. That is kind of how I feel in terms of route running with Kenyan Sadiq, which I know we're going to come back to Carnal Tate, but I want to talk about Sadiq because he's the guy that everyone's talked about. We've loved him. It's funny because it's like, it feels like he's just moving too fast. Like, it feels as if he doesn't have the patience running routes to slow it down a little bit. And he's just so excited. And I think that's the element of he needs to develop that. For me, I would much rather tight end, have all the physical traits, block his tail off, and then show you that he can do stuff with the ball in his hands. And I'm like, the route stuff will come earlier. A lot of that will just be schemed open and as he develops in his career, he'll figure some of that out. Would I like to have him have that initially? Sure. No question about it. No one, not everyone's going to be Brock Bowers and just know how to destroy you as a route runner day one. But he has all the measurables and the traits to just block tremendously well and just do things with the ball in his hands where you can run a tight end screen, and he's going to be great. But again, some of the patience even shows up there where you're like, you need to have a little bit more patience, a little bit more tempo. But he's. [00:27:35] Speaker B: He's sick the way that I just. I mean, I have him. He has speed, he's smooth, and he has strength. I mean, that's a pretty good triple. Now, you could say that he's maybe a little too patient or. Sorry, are you arguing that he's a bit too quick? [00:27:49] Speaker A: Yeah, when he runs his routes, I think he's, like, running them full speed throughout the entire portion of the route. He's not really slowing it down, you know, the way. [00:27:59] Speaker B: I don't disagree with that. And we'll get into this with another prospect that we both really like. I think more than consensus, that feels like an Oregon Issue where they just kind of just go, do it, do it, get there. And, you know, there's a lot of just like, run 10 yards and turn around. Like, they do that a lot at. At Oregon with Sadiq also there. There's some questions about his blocking. [00:28:26] Speaker A: I just. Yeah, I don't see. I don't see that as a concern remotely. [00:28:29] Speaker B: He's not a drive you off the line guy, but, like, he doesn't lose. He's a good one on one blocker. [00:28:34] Speaker A: He's strong. He's really strong, and he's committed, and that's what I care about. [00:28:38] Speaker B: My knock on him is that he can't seem to catch anything over his head. And I think his jersey might be too tight, like, legitimate. His arms might be too big, and his jersey might be too tight, because I don't think I saw him catch one thing over his head. And that's kind of. That's kind of weird. But I'm not concerned about Kenyan Sadiq at all. I think he has a very, very high floor and an exceptionally high ceiling. I have him at 17. He's not even the highest rated Oregon player on my board. You had him at 11. I think that both of those are totally fair. So let's talk Carnell. [00:29:12] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. Let's do Carnell Tate. [00:29:16] Speaker B: Carnell Tate is just. He's just an easy eval. The only knock I have on him is that he comes out of his breaks a little too soon. I feel like one day of OTAs you can fix. The only thing that I don't like about Carnell Tate. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. I mean, he's just so polished as a route runner. I mean, listen, the Ohio State thing is so obvious. I mean, I don't care what comp you make. You can make a lazy comp and it's like. Yeah, that's about right. Like, sure, yeah. Do you want. Do you want to say he's like, a little bit like jsn, A little bit like Shakir, A little bit like Alave. Whatever you want to say it. He. [00:29:54] Speaker B: He's like a tall lava to me. [00:29:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I just think he. That I come back to the Tom Brady thing of talking about JSN and the shoulders where he, like, doesn't know. He doesn't let you as a defensive back know where he's going and left and right. [00:30:10] Speaker B: But he. He does let them. He does let them know that he's. He's going to go somewhere. But he doesn't hint horizontally. [00:30:17] Speaker A: He slows him down intentionally to get you on your back foot. But he maintains speed throughout. Throughout the route. And I think Tate does the same thing. I don't think he is. He's as good. I mean, comparing anyone JSN right now is. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Oh, you're saying with jsn, yeah, jsn, you have no idea which way he's going. My issue again with Tate is that he comes up out of his routes a little too early and he can get left and right no problem because he's just coming straight up out of his routes. But that. The thing with. The thing with like an Aman Ross, St. Brown with the jsn, these elite, elite route runners is that they stay at the same level and are also changing directions and never. [00:30:54] Speaker A: I kind of think he. I don't know. I'll have to watch more. I. I would push back on that a little bit. I think he stays fairly level. But I, I mean, if. If that's what you've seen, I'm not going to disagree with that. [00:31:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it showed up especially when he was running at the slot. But when you're on the outside, it doesn't matter as much. He's just a steady Eddie. He's 80 catches, five touchdowns for the next decade. Sorry. Like, it could be way better than that. But he's going to produce. [00:31:19] Speaker A: He's going to produce. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Only other knock is maybe he can put on a little bit of weight and help him with his hand fighting, but I just don't think you can touch him. And I think he's a better prospect than Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison was a hell of a prospect, and I'll still take whatever stock. [00:31:33] Speaker A: Let's talk about Mansoor Delane, the last guy in your gold tier, so I [00:31:37] Speaker B: can't get enough of him. I think Mansoor Delane is fantastic. You have him at 10, I have him at 5. That is, all things considered, a pretty significant differentiation. He's just so smooth, man. His hips are water. His play recognition is like second to none. I think his ball skills are really good. I'm a little bit concerned about the size, but he has a real tenacity in the run game. So, like, what's it matter if you. If you're willing, that's good. I think that some knocks are going to be like, well, he wasn't this good at Virginia Tech. And it's like, yeah, okay, well, you know Virginia Tech, right, Wasn't coaching him up the same way they're coaching up dbs at lsu. Say what you. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I did not like him at Virginia Tech, actually, I was really down on him and maybe that's part of it for me. But. Yeah, no, he. In terms of just how he operates, it seems like he's just ahead of everybody. [00:32:30] Speaker B: Yes. [00:32:31] Speaker A: Like, he's just. He's like, I know what you're doing and he does. They ask him to do a lot of different things. I think part of me not having him hire is and I think I'm trying to remember who this was an issue with last year where they just didn't put him in enough situations where I got answers to some of the questions I had from last year's draft. Yeah. And there was just times where I didn't, I didn't know, like I didn't get enough reps of him in situations of, of like press man and doing a lot of other things that other corners had more reps of. That said, in terms of his fluidity, his length, the way he operated, the way he saw the field and the way he passed off routes, I think is just outrageously impressive. [00:33:17] Speaker B: I mean, I'm all in on him. Are you talking Will Johnson? No, can't be him. [00:33:23] Speaker A: No, I think it was Will Johnson. It was Will Johnson. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Well, also last year was a tough one because there was no true. Well, outside of Maxwell Harrison, there was no true corner. I take that back. John A. Baron 120. I'm just overlooking things left, right and center. We move on. I'm. I'm all in on Mansoor delay and I think this is a really interesting CB class. As you can see, I have a good deal of them in my top 35. These are guys who again, to be clear, gold is. These are the lottery picks. This is. You are lucky to be in a position to take one of these guys blue. And this obviously diminishes as we get lower on the list is anyone who can within reason be taken in round one. [00:34:05] Speaker A: And my blue, My blue is clear first round talents. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Yes. So let's get into. I mean, I don't. I don't think we want to go bang, bang, bang down the list because that's 35. [00:34:18] Speaker A: We should talk about David Bailey. [00:34:20] Speaker B: David Bailey is not going to be. It wasn't a gold prospect for me because I don't like him, particularly at the point of attack. I think he can get pushed around, but he is an elite caliber speed rusher. [00:34:33] Speaker A: He's going to be good. [00:34:34] Speaker B: He's got AO level, such a deep, [00:34:37] Speaker A: such such a deep bag of tools that he can literally, when I was scouting him I think he has four different, literally, like, viable pass rush moves to beat you. I think he has enough strength. I, I am with you. That's kind of why I didn't have him in that tier. I didn't see the, the sort of Reuben Bane sort of murder in his eyes. [00:34:58] Speaker B: He's not going through energy at all. And he's getting pushed. [00:35:01] Speaker A: He can beat you with power, though. He can beat you with power, but it is a little bit more of a speed to power. Get you on your back foot and then go through you. [00:35:10] Speaker B: Right. It's a setup. He's, he can't bull rush. That's okay. [00:35:14] Speaker A: He's beaten. And I maybe was more against guards. He did win with a bull rush at times. I did see him win. [00:35:20] Speaker B: Did you watch the Arizona State tape? [00:35:22] Speaker A: I did. [00:35:23] Speaker B: I mean, I thought Max had him in hell in that game. [00:35:27] Speaker A: No, I, I, I'm not saying he beat iheanatcher. I'm not saying he beat Ian Archer with a bull rush. I'm saying I've seen him beat other people with a bull rush. [00:35:39] Speaker B: And listen, the own again, it's just point of attack in the run game. This is the differentiation and this is a bias that I have overtly. I don't like guys who would classify solely as edge. Okay, I need a little bit of, I need a little bit of junk in the truck. I need some weight. I need you to be able to hold up in the run game. I need you to be a teammate. [00:36:01] Speaker A: Frustrated me, Romello height, where it's just, it's too long and too springy and not enough solid punch at the point. And maybe we're too committed to power edges and maybe that's a fault that's [00:36:13] Speaker B: gonna buy the way I think the entire NFL is about to see the light with us, given what the Seattle Seahawks just did. But like, you know, say, oh, well, Nick Bosa. Nick Bosa. You want to line him up at 5 tech. He's going to be an elite 5 tech. [00:36:25] Speaker A: Like Nick Bosa has been wildly underrated in his career in the run game. He's very good run defender. [00:36:31] Speaker B: Like, who are the best defensive ends? This comes back down to why I was, you know, not in last year on, forgive me, Penn State edge rusher. [00:36:41] Speaker A: Why would I want to call him a model? [00:36:45] Speaker B: Because I don't have his name in front of me. [00:36:47] Speaker A: I had his name and then I blanked. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Okay, well, Abdul Carter. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Abdul. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Abdul Carter. That's why I'm not in. It wasn't in on Abdul Carter. It's not as if he doesn't have value, but he is a second and third down defensive end. [00:36:59] Speaker A: He's a ghost speed rusher. Who is more close. He's closer to Bryce Huff. [00:37:05] Speaker B: Yes. Which again, very valuable player. Cannot be considered elite. If I can't, people will disagree with [00:37:12] Speaker A: you if he gets, you know, if he's like a TJ Watt, but if he's a liability in the run game, I have an issue with that. [00:37:19] Speaker B: I'm sorry, the run game. The run game has to come first in a lot of ways. I get that there is a lot of value in sacks. I'm not saying those are empty calories, but you cannot, you can be a third down only guy and get a lot of sacks. [00:37:34] Speaker A: It feels a little bit like how people were like, Trayvon Diggs is the best corner in the NFL because he was like hyper aggressive for interceptions. And then when he didn't him, he's getting cooked and then he's getting waived. [00:37:45] Speaker B: So it's, it's a tremendous, it's a tremendous way to make a lot of money for folks that don't do the research. Just get the very big flashy number. You go, Miles Garrett gets sacked. Yeah, Miles Garrett can play any technique you want on the line. Like, Miles Garrett. My wife asked me this all the time. Like if the aliens come, which athlete do you throw out there? And she goes, oh, not LeBron. Because I go, miles Garrett. We, we go with Miles Garrett. And she's like, I don't know about that one. I'm like, well, I mean, I've seen him play in like the celebrity all star game at the NBA and like he's given everybody the business, so it's not as if he's a one trick pony. And then she saw him at the podium one time when I was watching, just had on the tv and she goes, oh, yeah, yeah, that one. I get it. I mean, he's not, he's a refrigerator that can move at 40 miles per hour. [00:38:33] Speaker A: So yeah, by the way, we'll take most comments at the end, but I, I agree with Cow Chipto. I think he has much more potential to be a three down than Carter. I do think there is a physicality with Bailey, at least in his width. He's got a much, much stronger core, much wider than Carter, whereas Carter was a pure speed bend guy. And I think there is much more with Bailey. [00:38:59] Speaker B: So I, I don't, I just don't feel assured that he is not a liability on first down at the NFL level. So he's my eight ranked prospect. I still clearly love him. The differentiation is between him being picked, in this case, eight or seven. [00:39:17] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Like me just literally just saying this is my line of demarcation between surefire players. I mean, every one of those guys in the top seven for me is just no doubt in my mind. Let's boogie. And again, it's not as if Reuben Bain doesn't have his limitations, but Ruben Bane is going to be on the field for all three downs. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. Because he's going to be your best pass rusher and he's going to be an elite run stopper. And David Bailey cannot say the same. He can be a good run stopper maybe. I don't think he's a bad one and he'll be an elite pass rusher. But again, I just. I'm not sure that he's going to be on the field for all three downs to start his NFL career, which means that he's not a gold guy for me. Let's talk offensive tackles. [00:40:00] Speaker A: I was. Exactly. That's where I was going. I'm where I was going. [00:40:04] Speaker B: Let's. Let's just go through your order. First you have Mayuga, I think Maui Goa. Thank you. Whatever you. We knew already that this was. Yeah, we'll get better as I hear it more. But in the meantime, say it one more time for me. [00:40:22] Speaker A: That's. I'm just reading it off. I don't know if that's the. [00:40:24] Speaker B: I've heard that. I've heard that sounds right to my ear. Maui Goa. That's way more phonetically simple than whatever I was doing. You have Maui goal one. [00:40:33] Speaker A: You have pronounced differently. Could be Maui Noah. I know the G. Oh, that makes sense. Maui. [00:40:41] Speaker B: No Noah. Okay, now we know. Now we know how we say Maui Noah. All right, thank you. We're just gonna sign off now. Fano 2. Am I seeing one? You have Monroe Freeling as your three. [00:40:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:56] Speaker B: And then you have Caden Proctor rounding out. These are your surefire first rounders. [00:41:00] Speaker A: Yep. Terribly far off. [00:41:05] Speaker B: Who was that? I'm sorry, Lamu. [00:41:07] Speaker A: The other Utah guy. [00:41:09] Speaker B: Okay, I have Fano. 1. Maui Noah. 2. Got it. [00:41:15] Speaker A: Nice job, Proctor. [00:41:17] Speaker B: 3. [00:41:18] Speaker A: And yeah, you've been very high. [00:41:20] Speaker B: And I put them all three of those in the same thing because you are literally just making trade offs between the three of them. We'll get into it. By the way, I have Emmanuel Pergone. I hope I typed that right. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Pregnant. [00:41:37] Speaker B: I did. Pregnant at 16. I'm all in. I'm all in on him, but that's a different conversation. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:45] Speaker B: Max. Say his last name for me. I'm sure. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Max. Iheanature. Yeah. [00:41:52] Speaker B: I announcer. I have him very high. I've loved the tape. I can't stop watching the tape. [00:41:58] Speaker A: And then he's going to keep climbing from. For me. And I wouldn't even be surprised if he gets over Proctor and into the blue range. I just need to see more in terms of movement. [00:42:09] Speaker B: I. I had somebody who I really, really trust their offensive line stuff. Tell me, like, six, eight weeks ago that he was going to be the dude and I, being the snarky I am, was like, I don't know, you know, like, oh, well, he's the cool kid. Like, I'm gonna rebel against him. I'm. I'm wrong. I mean, it's, it's. It's. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Kind of like Taylor Swift. Like. You know what? Some of these songs. Absolutely. Slap. This is good stuff. You can fight it as long as you want, but you're gonna end up losing because it's just too catchy. Monroe Freeling. I have also here, and then I have Lomu behind all of them. So really the only differentiation is you have Lomu, not in yours. I have multiple guards. [00:42:57] Speaker A: I don't have Ian Archer there yet, but it's. It goes Ian Archer and then Lomu. [00:43:02] Speaker B: So let's go through Maui, Noah, Proctor and Fano. [00:43:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:06] Speaker B: The way, the way that I see it is Maui Noah is a mauler and that he has a very, very high floor. He's. [00:43:15] Speaker A: Except he's so aggressive. He's so mean. [00:43:19] Speaker B: He's mean and, you know, that's. [00:43:20] Speaker A: Exactly. You don't see that enough. Right. And are there concerns about, like, being a little bit fluid and maybe getting beat by guys who sell outside and then inside? Yeah. But he also is so strong that if he gets even a hand on you, it's over. He will take you where he wants to take you. [00:43:37] Speaker B: It's not that he throws human beings. It's really, really fun. I'm not saying it's a bust, like a boom or bust thing because. But he can get beat with speed. And if you have a little bit of bend, there's some real issues because he is stiff. He's a stiff sob. I think that he knows where the feet are supposed to go, but he can't do the dance moves at the right tempo yet. And I don't think it's going to. It could get there, and if it gets there, it's over. He's an Elite of the elite tackles in this league. But if it doesn't get there, he's good, not great. And he's. He's an asset for you, but he might end up at right tackle full time because of that. Again, the differentiation when we're talking about NFL pass rushers to college pass rushers is massive, which is why they're put at such a premium in on draft boards. Like, everybody's going to have some bend. Like, you just can't make it into the league as a stiff at that position. And so I'm just a little bit concerned about that, which is why I have him under Fano, who I think needs to put on a little bit more weight. But I saw a lot of really good punch out of his stance in the run game, and I think that his feet are really, really good, and he's good at mirroring good pass rushers. Like, I feel like the floor is higher than he gets credit for and the ceiling is just as high. [00:44:55] Speaker A: He has the best recovery in the class because he's got length. And when he allows you to beat him for a quarter of a second, you're like, oh, he got beat. But then he doesn't. Like, he always recovers and extends. And it's not like he's pushing his guy into, you know, the guard's feet and then it ruins somebody else's day. He just recovers really, really, really well. And it's something where you go, is that viable? It's consistent. Like. Like, even if he gives you that first. That first step, he recovered so quickly, and I think it's really impressive to watch. [00:45:30] Speaker B: I think. I think he's just really. I think he has a really, really high floor, and I can just see the overt places where it's like, oh, you get him in a system for a year, you get him the right way. He started at left tackle at Utah. He goes over to right. There's a lot to really like there in the same realm. By the way, Lomu is, like, even raw than that, but a lot of the same traits. I would say more feet than hands. The hands are actually pretty questionable right now, but, like, it's very easy to talk yourself into it if we're going to talk ourselves into Monroe Freeling, which I think is totally fair because, again, elite footwork then, but, like, needs to put on 15 extra pounds and kind of doesn't know what to do with his arms, which, you know, might be an issue for an offensive lineman. Like, I think it's there, but he's he's kind of. Yeah, he's always a little bit too antsy, but his feet are there to where you're like, oh, we can really do something with this. On the projectability scale, I just think that Fanu is more polished even with that projectability than most. And there's not really any stain on his game, except for it's just not as refined as it could be yet. But he has experience, too, and he did get better as his career progressed. [00:46:36] Speaker A: I agree. I agree. [00:46:38] Speaker B: The player that, if it all clicks for him, who has the highest ceiling, unquestionably is Kaden Proctor. [00:46:44] Speaker A: Yep. [00:46:45] Speaker B: Kaden Proctor. To be very clear, I think Kaden Proctor's tape is damn good. Damn good. No man should have that kind of ballerina feet at that size. [00:46:56] Speaker A: I liked it almost more in 2024. Not. Not totally, but there's some. Some stuff in 2024 where I'm like, that looks better. [00:47:05] Speaker B: Yes. I think it was simpler then, and I think that. I don't think Simpson did him any favors with stuff. There were some real questions on that offensive line. I'm starting to wonder if Brian Grub is any good at this. I know that they did it that one time, but. Okay, so Proctor. Proctor isn't going to be a divisive prospect because, and I mean this with all affection, he ugly. It's not a good look. Right. So, like, when you see Fano, you're like, oh, yeah, you know what that's going to be? When you see Monroe Freeling, you're like, If I put £15 on him, it's just going to be. It's aesthetically pleasing because it's smooth. Proctor's out here and he's got 40 pounds of just bad weight. There's. There's, again, no nice way to put it. Someone who has got 40 pounds of bad weight, too, I can tell you, like, it doesn't pool in good ways. Right. It's. It's fallen out in weird spots. He's got a gut. You know, the jersey's a little too tight. You know, it looks like he's. Looks like he's squeezing and that's. [00:48:09] Speaker A: And he did, like, apparently lose, like, 15 or 20 pounds throughout the course of the year. Yeah. [00:48:16] Speaker B: So. But. [00:48:18] Speaker A: And that's been a problem his whole career, which is the concern that, like, just because you get into an NFL weight room, his interviews with NFL teams are going to really determine where he ends up. [00:48:31] Speaker B: I will even go further than that. I think that the next five months or three months of his life will define his upside potential. On if he's going to be that guy. Because if he comes in, I don't know what he'll do in the combine. And so he's 20 years old, as Cowachepto properly points out. He's already, you know, an SC. He's already, I would argue, the best left tackle in the SEC this past year. That matters a lot to me and because it just means. [00:48:57] Speaker A: Isn't he from Iowa, by the way? He didn't go to Iowa, but he does. He does feel. [00:49:02] Speaker B: Oh, there was a back and forth. There was a whole thing there, if I'm remembering correctly, where he was committed and then he was out and then he was back in. It was a give me the money sort of a situation. [00:49:12] Speaker A: No, he was born in Des Moines. Yeah, he was literally born in Des Moines. I'm just saying there's like the tiniest, tiniest, tiniest bit of. You're like little Tristan Wurf's just in terms of physical mass. And [00:49:28] Speaker B: I don't know how to put this without sounding blasphemous. I mean, he's Trent. If he can take off some of that weight. [00:49:35] Speaker A: If he. I just can't think of a more perfect person to say he's going to be a left guard next to Trent, and then Trent's going to. [00:49:42] Speaker B: Well, that's. That's the other aspect of this that I think is worth talking about. Maui Go Maui Noah can play guard for you immediately. Like, Maui. Maui Noah is going to be an elite guard in this league at the bare minimum. I'm talking like, all pro caliber guard, right? Whatever. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Whatever we got excited about with Tyler Booker. It's twice that. [00:50:02] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Just so, like, that's an incredible floor. Like, because I can even argue, like, I'm not so sure Will Campbell's going to be that great of a guard, given, you know, he doesn't. He's not that mean, you know, like. And again, I hate to power on Will Campbell, but he was the first offensive lineman taken, if I remember correctly, last year, and was considered, like, cream of the crop there. This. I like all of the guys I have on this list more. Maybe not Awane, maybe. I don't know. And that's. That's another divisive guy. But, like, you can put him there. You can put them at tackle. You play him a tackle, you can put them in right. You probably can't play him at center because he's tight in the hips. But, like, awesome Fano has to play tackle. I mean, maybe you could, but he's. [00:50:51] Speaker A: Now he's attacked. [00:50:52] Speaker B: He's attacked Proctor because of the. In a weird way, because of the bad weight. You can just put it guard because he's going to be difficult to physically get around. And. And he's got the footwork and he's got the hands, heavy hands. So you can just play him there. And then you have a year of NFL practice and conditioning, and. Because you go, well, you know, if he couldn't drop the weight at Alabama, it's a fair argument. My counter is this. What was his incentive to drop the weight at Alabama? He was already the best left tackle in the SEC with 40 extra. [00:51:31] Speaker A: Alabama loves their big offensive linemen. They've kind of always done that where it's just like, if you're. If you're enormous, you're gonna win. So, yeah. [00:51:42] Speaker B: So I. Let's also not forget they lined up Proctor at tailback. At fullback, he jumped over the line of scrimmage multiple times. I mean, again, I don't want to sound ridiculous, but, like, if it works out, which is no guarantee. The beauty of Trent Williams was you're like, oh, right, that's there. It's ready to go and it's going to last forever. He's a freak of nature. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Yep. [00:52:06] Speaker B: And he was a little bit more cut back then, but even now, you're like, trent's a strangely built dude. Like, Trent doesn't make a lot of sense. He's not the tallest tackle. He doesn't have the 6, 4, 6, 3, 6, 4. Yeah. I mean, most of the time you're looking for like 6, 5, 6, 6. Doesn't have the longest arms, but they're long. But he's got the feet. He's got a gut like Trent has a gut. And he's had one for a long time now. And so you're like, I don't know. But then he's also one of the [00:52:31] Speaker A: greatest athletes the NFL's ever seen. [00:52:34] Speaker B: That's my point. You take. You take not all the bad. I mean, again, I'm just guessing on how much bad weight there is. There is a limitation. As somebody who has fluctuated wildly in [00:52:43] Speaker A: weight, I think he can probably drop a minimum of 20. [00:52:46] Speaker B: And I think that's. [00:52:47] Speaker A: You're like, that's. That can go. [00:52:49] Speaker B: And then. And then he would just have a Trent Williams like, body, which I think everyone would feel a lot more comfortable about. And he can move like him. He can. He is a frightening mover. [00:53:00] Speaker A: It's horrifying. It's horrifying to see him now. There are a couple times where he's in space and you're like, why, why didn't you. Why didn't you find there. [00:53:07] Speaker B: Yeah. But again that with Trent, every now and again in the NFL. Coach. [00:53:11] Speaker A: You can also coach. [00:53:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I just, I'm. I'm all in on him. I just think that he's. Again, he's third. He's third because Maui Noah is just. The floor is so high. [00:53:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:27] Speaker B: Just immediately. And I still see some ceiling. I think Fanu has the highest ceiling outside of Proctor and it's easier to attain than Proctor's. Proctor has the highest ceiling, but it's going to be maybe the hardest to find. But you get more of immediate impact because of the guard ability. So those are the three. We could go through the rest of them real fast. Monroe Freeling is somebody that is rising up of boards. I just think he's too light and doesn't know what he's doing yet. But the feet are incredible. [00:53:52] Speaker A: We've talked about him. I. So I have someone I really want to talk about. [00:53:57] Speaker B: Okay. Should we pull over your board? [00:53:58] Speaker A: Chris Brazell. [00:54:00] Speaker B: Let's talk about number 17, Chris Brazelle. Who. Where do I have him at? Where do I have. [00:54:04] Speaker A: You have him. You have him. And 13. You have him in Lemon flipped. I. Dieter. When I watched him and I started texting Dieter about this, I think it was yesterday. I went, oh my God. Like what. What is happening here? The deceleration. For context. Chris Brazell is six foot five, I believe. Six foot five. Tennessee loves an enormous X receiver that's really fast. [00:54:30] Speaker B: Thornton last year. [00:54:31] Speaker A: But unlike Dante, Thornton can run a route. Like can he can decelerate in a way that should be impossible at his size. One knock on him is that he like just literally takes plays off and like doesn't even pretend to block. You can address this part. [00:54:50] Speaker B: It will show up with people who don't watch Saturday college football. Okay. I'm not blaming anybody for not because it looks weird. It looks. It looks really bad. It looks overtly terrible. We're not talking like half assed effort. We're talking standing there, Jay Cutler out wide effort, don't care, smoking a cigarette, hands on titles. [00:55:13] Speaker A: Just. [00:55:14] Speaker B: It looks awful. You'll notice that all of the Tennessee wide receivers are also doing it. So what happens on cut ups, all 22 cut ups is that they take out the amount of time that's not football. So you get the pre snap which obviously is a bit longer in this day. And age where you know there's motion. So you see how the play develops before the snap. But you don't get huddle. You don't get everyone running from a spot to their position. They. You don't have any of that. The problem is you don't need to cut up. Tennessee film. Tennessee Film on offense is already the cut up. There is no huddling, there is no talk. He stays on the right side of the field the entire time on purpose. Because they run. UNLV running Rebels basketball 1991 offense. It is. It is Loyola Maramount with Paul Westphal. It is go, go, go. Their entire offensive ethos is run as many plays as possible. Beyond that, the ethos is there is one option on the play. Maybe there will be a second if we're getting fancy with it. So they will run a run to the right. The wide receivers on the left side will not do anything because if you're running literally nothing, just stand there. They will do drag routes over the middle where the wide receivers on the outside will do nothing. Their entire offensive premise under Josh Hyple is to run as many plays as possible. There's no standing around. There's not. It is go, go, go, go. It is a fast break the whole game. And if you are an X receiver and they really kind of have two X's because they have two guys on the line of scratch on both opposite sides outside the numbers. And you're running 40 yard go routes when it's your turn, you cannot run that every play, otherwise you would have to substitute. And substitutions are something that Josh Hypo will not agree to because then that would give the defense an opportunity to substitute themselves and slow the game down. So they don't run routes on half of their snaps, minimum. And it looks terrible. And it's going to get him hit with this notion of, oh, well, he's lazy. [00:57:27] Speaker A: No, it's like, no, my coach was weird. [00:57:29] Speaker B: Your, My coach runs a very weird system. But when he is in the play, holy crap. [00:57:38] Speaker A: No one at six foot five should move like that. And then, by the way, so you, when you, when you talk about that stuff, when he blocks, he blocks like a lunatic. Like he, he's not like a lightweight. He's very physical. He runs a stutter go like I've never seen. And he attacks the ball very aggressively. Where I watch, I forget which game it was. And he has three touchdowns and he's just. You're like no one. You can never compare literally. And I'm not to Be clear. I'm not doing that. You can't compare them, but no one can ever be compared to Randy Moss because Randy Moss is Randy Moss. And there I'll never be another. [00:58:14] Speaker B: The singular. [00:58:15] Speaker A: But like I'm seeing there's like AJ Green Plaxico Burris, just like a big, very fast. But his speed is pretty unique. [00:58:25] Speaker B: Yeah, he's, he's, he's a burner. He's an absolute burner. [00:58:28] Speaker A: He shouldn't move as well and he shouldn't decelerate in and out of his brakes as well as he does. And the only thing that I really have a knock on is that he's terrible at dragging his feet. He's so bad at it along the sidelines. He just has such long legs and he doesn't. He does the college. Get one foot in and doesn't think about it. There's a couple times where you're like, get your foot down or it's going to be like I forget that the Jacksonville wide receiver who is a nightmare this year, Brian Thomas Jr. Brian Thomas Jr. Did that, where it was like, oof. I think it was in the Niners game where he just didn't get his foot down. [00:59:01] Speaker B: Yeah, that was bad. [00:59:02] Speaker A: It's like that. So that's the only thing. But the high end for him is that he is like a dominant number one receiver who is just an elite, elite deep threat in the league for the next 10 years. [00:59:16] Speaker B: There would be no better outcome for the say and I, maybe Proctor would. So I take back my initial statement of certainty immediately. But like, if Brazil's there at 27, you have to take him if you're the Niners. [00:59:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. [00:59:34] Speaker B: He's exactly what you need at X receiver. He's an immediate. I mean, he's a better player than Brandon Ayuk, unquestionably. Way more upside gives you a lot of the same stuff that you loved with. [00:59:47] Speaker A: Yeah, there is just. I, I, you know, IUK developed really well and became like a outstanding route runner. But I, but yeah, there's just more in terms of like pure prospect upside. I think he is way more than [00:59:59] Speaker B: I, you know what I kept hearing in my head as I'm watching this guy and I, to be fair, knocked him out this morning. So there's some maybe recency bias in this. But, like, I'm just, I have a hard time with Makai Lemon. Like, I know that he's 14. Like, I know. I'm not saying that he isn't, but, like, I don't know I know it's a scheme bias thing. [01:00:19] Speaker A: So anything to do with USC is just nauseating. [01:00:22] Speaker B: There's something off worked for Amon Ross St. Brown. He was a fifth round pick. So all I heard in my head as I'm watching, as I'm watching Brazil go, is, damn Ricky. That's all I heard. I hear Leonard Hankerson in my head yelling, damn Ricky. Because there is just something. No one should be able to gear it up and gear it down like that. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Actually crazy to watch because it's. Because it's like some guys, it's like they, when they're decelerating, it's like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and then they [01:00:53] Speaker B: lose a couple yards going on and [01:00:56] Speaker A: he's just like, stop accelerating now. I don't understand. I actually don't. [01:01:00] Speaker B: And his left right breaks are unbelievable. He's just. He's like four steps past his breaking point in one step. The separation is. Is preposterous. The foot speed is preposterous. The catch radius is preposterous. And he's not going to be considered the best wide receiver in this class outside of Carnell Tate, which I have him as the second best as it stands now. And by the way, these are rough drafts. These are going to change. Yeah, but like he's not going to get considered that because people don't understand what is going on at Tennessee, which, like, I'd get it if it was Georgia State. And we'll get into him at some point in the next couple of weeks, the wide receiver there. But like, it's the university. Like, sorry, like, I don't like the University of Tennessee, but like, that's a premier program in the country. Like, you don't understand what it is they run. So we'll go with that. I just, I just don't think that. I think that the demerits don't actually apply here. I think that this is taking the bias against Josh Hypo's offense, which is deserved. [01:02:05] Speaker A: And it was like last year with Thornton. It's like, oh, he's. He can only run deep and he's a deep shot. He can't really do anything else with, With Brazil, you're like, oh, he again and again, some of the route concepts. He's not running as many ends. But you. There's one route where he runs like a. A corner and you're like, oh. And he puts a guy on the floor and you're like, what? [01:02:25] Speaker B: No. [01:02:25] Speaker A: How is that possible? [01:02:27] Speaker B: It's unbelievable. Makai, Lemon, listen. He's not the biggest, but he's, he's whippy. [01:02:36] Speaker A: Give him to Mike McDaniel and let's see what happens. [01:02:39] Speaker B: Yeah, he's. I, you know, I, I do question if he has truly elite speed. [01:02:44] Speaker A: He said, I don't necessarily. Sure. I'm not necessarily sure it matters. He's so. His acceleration and deceleration and natural shiftiness is so high. I'm not sure it matters. [01:02:56] Speaker B: But he's, he's a slot. He's in the St. Brown hookah, maybe. Maybe like, or you know who he is. He's like Triple Crown, Cooper Cup. [01:03:10] Speaker A: I don't hate, I don't hate that. [01:03:12] Speaker B: I'm not, I'm not as sure that he'll be able. I'm not as sure he's as good of a tactician and I'm not certain that the tight splits that a lot of teams will run will help him. So I'm, I'm very curious, very curious to see. But he's, he's unquestionably very, very good. And we'll go in the first round, right? [01:03:33] Speaker A: Who else should we, should we talk about? [01:03:35] Speaker B: Well, let's, let's talk about my man Max in. In anchor. Yeah. Not sure. Thank you again. I love the tape on him. And this is another guy who. Preposterous footwork for a man his size. He is raw. He is raw in his upper body because he just is out there. Doesn't really know what he's doing yet. So he's a red shirt guy, I think, to be fair. But what you see on tape is really, really positive for raw. And I just stopped guys in their [01:04:10] Speaker A: track in a pretty rare way. [01:04:12] Speaker B: Yeah. And I just, I loved his tape against Bailey. It was to the point where I knew what Bailey's number. I knew Bailey was number 31 on Texas Tech. And I'm watching the first half of that game and I'm like, it's the other guy Bailey. [01:04:28] Speaker A: Or I had that. I had that too. But Bailey also did beat everybody else on the offensive line pretty badly. [01:04:34] Speaker B: Not hard to do on that offensive line. And again, I think that Enoch is going to get knocked because it's like, well, they gave up this many sacks and it's like, dude, the left side of that offensive line was abysmal. The guard, the left guard for Arizona State might have had a personal vendetta against Levitt, the quarterback. [01:04:54] Speaker A: Like how I felt watching Vanderbilt against, what is it, Zion Young. [01:04:59] Speaker B: And to be fair, I wouldn't blame anybody on Vanderbilt for not liking Diego Pavia. He seems annoying to say the least. [01:05:06] Speaker A: I can't wait to see. Gonna go undrafted, I'm guessing or 7 or, or, or be in the Brock Purdy slot. [01:05:12] Speaker B: No, he's not getting drafted at all. There's a reason that he is fighting in court. [01:05:18] Speaker A: Remember when a little Oregon guy got drafted in the third round by the Browns? [01:05:24] Speaker B: I've heard why that happened. It's because the Browns draft process is a lot of times just sorting categories [01:05:31] Speaker A: like, like they just choose this as a quarterback round. [01:05:34] Speaker B: Do you remember in the Hard Knocks with the Giants when Brian Dable shows up into Joe Shane's office and is like, have I got the DC for you? And then he starts citing Pro Football Focus stats. That's kind of how the Browns draft and it works if it's Miles Garrett. [01:05:51] Speaker A: Fair. To be fair, they got Schwerzinger and they've got a lot. They made a lot of good picks. [01:05:56] Speaker B: Productive players can be productive at the NFL level. Little bit more difficult with quarterbacks. Notice how their offense isn't actually ever that good. Maybe it's because they're sorting by production and not talent on defense. If you can get production at the college level, you probably are pretty good. Not guaranteed, but probably are pretty good. Like even like Rodriguez, the linebacker for Texas Tech, who was just. [01:06:20] Speaker A: I thought you were going to talk about Rodriguez, the, the linebacker for Ms. Malcolm. [01:06:25] Speaker B: Oh, well, I got a whole other stuff about him, but that's a different conversation that we'll never have on this channel. Jacob Rodriguez, the linebacker for Texas Tech. Yeah, very productive. Very productive. I don't think that he's in the. Oh, what was the Arizona linebacker's name way back in the day where he had like 200 tackles in a year but didn't get drafted fifth. He's not in that oak. He's more in the Josie Jewel class of like, you can be very productive. But again, if you're getting drafted in the third, fourth round, you're very productive. That's great because when you're on day three, you should be taking guys who are wildly productive and it makes no sense. Or guys who are, who are wildly athletic and it makes no sense why they can't play football. [01:07:06] Speaker A: Correct. [01:07:07] Speaker B: Like, those are the only two guys. You should never find the middle ground because you are just taking lottery tickets at that. [01:07:12] Speaker A: Yeah, he's pretty meh and he's got really mediocre athleticism and he also didn't really produce. [01:07:19] Speaker B: But we think we could coach Diego Papia, like so. Okay, how about, how about this I think Ionaka is going to be fantastic. A guy that I do want to talk about, and we did not talk about him. You and I personally. Is Akeem Esodor the defensive end for. [01:07:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:07:36] Speaker B: I'm glad that we came to the same conclusion on him. You have him where? 20, 22? I have him at 20. I have him over Zion Young. I just think that the floor is. [01:07:48] Speaker A: Do I not. [01:07:50] Speaker B: Oh, apologies. [01:07:52] Speaker A: I don't. I don't. Well, yeah, I. I kind of agree. I kind of actually do feel like you should maybe go above Zion. Yeah. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Well. [01:07:59] Speaker A: And again, close. [01:08:01] Speaker B: This is. This is rudimentary and this is why we do it in the color coding. Like, does it matter? Will he get drafted about. Doesn't really matter. Not doing a big. This is just. This is their tranche right now. And inside the tranches, especially in the middle parts of these tranches, it's going to get murky and we're going to flop them around, like. But these are all guys that, if we were drafting in the first round, this would be the pool of candidates that we would take from. You have 24. [01:08:27] Speaker A: Mezador is awesome. [01:08:29] Speaker B: He's awesome. I like it because again, as we were talking about with Bailey, like, Macedor is a true defensive end. He played tackle at Miami at 280 pounds, moved him outside. And if. If he didn't have Reuben Bain on the other side, I know that you could say, oh, he had Ruben Bane on the other side. So he's always getting one on ones. Not necessarily true, but, you know, it doesn't hurt to have the best defensive end in the class on the other side. He was just as mean, nasty, and dominant on the other side. And the amount of times that those two got to the quarterback at the [01:09:01] Speaker A: same time to decapitate guards, really well, it's. Yeah. [01:09:06] Speaker B: Because he did it. So I, I'm. I'm just really in on him. I just think that he's an immediate, immediate impact player. And I'm not sure necessarily on the ceiling. He's probably close to maxed out. [01:09:15] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. I think that's why Zion Young is above him for me. I think Young. [01:09:19] Speaker B: And that's fair. I just think there's more question marks on Young. [01:09:23] Speaker A: I agree. I agree. [01:09:24] Speaker B: The one on ones look great at the Senior bowl. And then I know that he can turn it up and turn it down, but it's a question of motor. You know, it's a question of motor. Like, he just does. He gets. He overheats and he gets Himself out of plays. Whereas, like, I know that Macedor is just going to give you a great rep every time and it's going to be very, very productive. Let's flip it back. [01:09:50] Speaker A: Hold on. [01:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I lost it. Okay, here we go. Jake, stop. So Keldrick Falk, defensive end out of Auburn. There's going to be 10 teams that just think he's the greatest thing ever. [01:10:05] Speaker A: The downside is so bad and the upside is monumental. There, there's some tape. You watch where you go. He is dominating every play. He had. I think like seven run stops literally in one game. Reminds you in some ways of Mikel, I think is far less stout than Mikel is. His balance is not as good. He moves around a little more. But I also think that there are some. Yeah, he's like a one trick pony. He relies on like an outside shoulder rip, bend, and it's. Sometimes you want to just come on, like simplify it a little bit. There's also not necessarily like the crazy burst. And I think the one was@the NFL.com comparison for him. It was Carlos, Carlos Dunlap, which I really like. I think the upside is monumental. And at the same time, you're like, when you see the bad tape, you're like, oh, this could really go either way. [01:11:13] Speaker B: It's, it's. He had two sacks last year. It's. I know he had seven the year before and he had a great game against Georgia. [01:11:26] Speaker A: His run production too was crazy. [01:11:29] Speaker B: He's, he's. He is absolutely, unquestionably a first round player. I'm just not sure he's a three down player at this point in his career. And I'm not really sure which of the three downs he should be on [01:11:40] Speaker A: the field for right now. [01:11:42] Speaker B: Like, is he a first, second down run guy where you want to take him off the field or maybe slide him inside? I don't. Again, I, I'll just speak for myself, but we were both high on Mikel. I was exceptionally high on Mikel. [01:11:56] Speaker A: I was also extremely. [01:11:57] Speaker B: Michael's so much stronger. [01:12:00] Speaker A: I agree. Like, Mikel didn't really move or get displaced. Where you see Falk sort of end up on the ground sometimes in a way that never happened. [01:12:08] Speaker B: They really do. So they're winning with just athleticism, which is fine. [01:12:15] Speaker A: I would do power through your face in a way that I kind of preferred, whereas Falk is trying to like bend around a little bit and it doesn't necessarily work. [01:12:25] Speaker B: But three years from now, it could be like, everyone knows the name Keldrick Falk. He's, he's just unbelievable. [01:12:32] Speaker A: I do think it's going to take him time. I do think it's going to take him time. [01:12:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And you have to question the coaching at Auburn too. I think that's a totally fair thing. I want to talk Casey Concepcion. [01:12:42] Speaker A: Okay. [01:12:44] Speaker B: Do you have him on your list? [01:12:46] Speaker A: I do not. [01:12:47] Speaker B: I do. I really, really like, I, I didn't want to be in because there's some pretty clear red flags when it comes to yards per route run when it comes to his ability against press man. But the Yak potential and I think the size, I think the size is going to be his knock. I'm not sure that it's actually not a positive. He just gets open. He's really open all the time. He has an unreal catch radius for someone who's not that big. And I think that people will just take him up as, oh, he's a slot guy only, I think in a league of tight splits running, you know, Shanahan, like systems that you can, you can put him in traffic with ease. He's a Z, right? He's going to need the release off the line. [01:13:39] Speaker A: Yep. [01:13:40] Speaker B: But because he is not big and strong and his first step isn't elite, but after that, it is really hard to figure out how you stop this guy. If you don't get a hand on him to start, it's kind of over and there's some real Debo going on here. And I know that every year it's like, this could be the Deebo. This could be the Deebo. This is not going to be somebody that. Well, first off, he did line up in the backfield at North Carolina State and was a pretty good rusher at North Carolina State. They didn't do that at Texas A and M at all. And with Colin Klein, who I think is a very good offensive coordinator, he didn't see that fit. Yeah, I just, I love him in the open field. I love how guys bounce off of them. I love his catch radius. I think he's more polished. I just, I, I, that's where I [01:14:29] Speaker A: see the upside and the downside though of like, okay, hit me. Debo is like a zone specific receiver. I really didn't like Concepcion against Press. I think he got, he got clamped. And I think for me, if you're a first round, clear first round guy, I need to feel confident that you can deal with press. I really don't see it there. I love everything else. I think he's, I think he's a Guy, you put the ball in his hand, special things are going to happen. I think if you can clear out space for him, if, you know, like running an in for him and catching it 10, 15 yards down the field and having him run after going to be phenomenal. Like, I think he can put guys on his back feet if they're playing off, man, I think he can cause some problems. I just really think if you're facing teams, if you need him to be a number one, I'm not sold. I think he's like a tremendous number two who can develop into a number one. But like you said, in a tight split system where I don't think he's like a boundary guy that you want to really play press. So that's why I can't have him as a true first round guy. [01:15:38] Speaker B: But my counterargument to this is like Mikhail Lemon has a much better release off the line of scrimmage, but he's also, you know, this kind of slot only guy. And there's a lot of characteristics that cross platform between Mikhail Lemon and Casey Concepcion. And in fact, I like Conception's yak ability more than I like Lemons. Now, I do think that Lemon separates a hell of a lot better and he can play, man, so long as you give him the release. I just, I think that it was my, my concern is that it's mostly a scheme thing at A and M and that when you get them at the NFL level and you put them in the right offense, which is not every one of them to be fair, that it's like, oh, all of these concerns about press aren't there because we're never going to put him in a position to actually be pressed on the line. And you can even do that with tight, tight splits. I just, I love the catch radius. I love it and I love the yakability. [01:16:33] Speaker A: And again, he's an awesome player. [01:16:36] Speaker B: You can say he's a clear round second guy, that's fine. It wouldn't shock me at all if he was a second round pick. He's closer to a second round pick than he is to a top 15, to be sure. But when you're talking about elite ability in some very critical aspects of things, you know, catch radius, all that, you know, yak separation in zone, like, yeah, there's not, he's not perfect, you know, he's not in the Carnell Tate territory. But like, Brazil also has some limitations as well. Like we're talking about guys who are going to have some warts on their game. But ultimately, if he goes in round one, I'm not going to be like, what are you doing? You know, like. And that's, that's where I have my category. You have guys who are. It's like, this is round one. If any of them fall to round two, something's gone horribly wrong. Mine are, can I imagine a world in which they are taken in round one? That's justified. And he's absolutely on that list. For me, in, in the same way that like C.J. allen, Colton, the Hood, Banks, and Hill right at the bottom of this list are like, do I think that Hill is truly a first round linebacker? No. Is there a, is there a 5% chance in my mind that he can get taken in the first round? Late in the first round? Yes. Can Banks be a first round pick? Absolutely. Should he be? No. But can he be 100% because of the upside there, Hood, Same thing. Someone's going to fall in love with them. It only takes one. There's a 5% chance C.J. allen is, to be fair. And that's maybe the line demarcation here for me. Like, C.J. allen is a first round player. [01:18:06] Speaker A: I agree. [01:18:07] Speaker B: And you have him as such. You want to talk CJ Allen a little bit? We've talked about him a lot. [01:18:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I think we've been clear on him. Like, I, I liked him more last year, but, like, he just is the perfect shape for a linebacker. He fits the run so well. He's sharp. I think I'd like to see more in pass coverage, but I'm also not like, worried about it. I just think I'm so confident he's going to be a really good linebacker. He all. [01:18:37] Speaker B: He. [01:18:37] Speaker A: He also came back from a meniscus injury, so there's some of that where you're reading a little bit on a curve. Played through that. He's just so physical. Really can organize a defense behind him. And I just think. Yeah, I, I think the, the past game stuff is. Is why I have him a little bit lower than I had him going into the year. But I also. There's some stuff at Georgia this year I didn't like, and I'm not gonna hold that against it. I think he's just a tremendous player. [01:19:05] Speaker B: Pretty sure they won the sec and yet it was a weird year. [01:19:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:09] Speaker B: So two, two other names that I want to talk about because I know they're not on your list. Well, let's talk Peter woods, because we both agree on Peter Woods. [01:19:18] Speaker A: Yep. And there's a lot of Defensive, very, very violent hands. [01:19:23] Speaker B: Unbelievable run stopper with the explosion to be a really positive pass rusher as well. I know there's a lot of talk about Lee Hunter. I don't have him. I don't think he's justified as a first round pick. [01:19:36] Speaker A: Watched him today. I don't see it. I think he's an awesome round three plugger. Yeah. [01:19:42] Speaker B: And by the way, and this, I don't think that. I think McDonald is the Ohio State defensive tackle who does have a little bit of upside, but it's just an unbelievable. Just mountain. A true one Tech. [01:19:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:54] Speaker B: Or a zero. I have him as a round two guy. Like I don't think you can justify taking him in round one at a 5% shot unless you have like a very deep specific need for a nose tackle. Which kind of weird. Not a lot of teams have that. And I definitely don't think the Niners do. So like Peter woods is I think the. The best upside of any DT High floor, very high ceiling. [01:20:17] Speaker A: Banks also has extraordinarily high upside. I think he is much steeper downside than was Buddy. [01:20:24] Speaker B: Does he. That could, that could be a. That's a GM firing pick right there. If you take him in the first. But someone's going to get fired. [01:20:31] Speaker A: Someone's going to take him like 12. [01:20:34] Speaker B: So the two other guys. I want to talk about Chris Johnson, San Diego State cornerback. I love him. I love him. He has a lot of the same traits as these elite corners that everybody is high on. Mainly the, you know, I would say McCoy. McCoy's hips are looser, good ball skills this and that. Like Chris Johnson just won. All he did was win his reps. You can say that it was against lesser level competition, but when we talked about like the gold prospects and it's specifically Manser Delane, he's just three steps ahead of everything. I thought that that was exactly what I saw from Chris Johnson. People are going to be a little bit concerned about, you know, he's a little physical. I thought he was controlled physical as opposed to just grabby. I'm big on Chris Johnson. I think the market's going to come back and meet that. I'm also very, very high on d' Angelo Pons. [01:21:24] Speaker A: I Buddy, I watched him yesterday and I. It was tough for me to not have him on this list. I think the size is an issue there. But my God, is that a good football player? [01:21:36] Speaker B: He's. He's somebody in the 20s to be very clear. But he is just. He's not going it Sucks, actually. The Niners already have a good nickel who's young because this guy is everything they've ever wanted. [01:21:47] Speaker A: I think he can play outside. I think he can play outside. [01:21:51] Speaker B: I know there's. There are plenty of people who think that. And this is. But you don't have to. You're taking him as a versatile interior option where he just sticks with everybody on the interior, especially with wide receivers. You know, we talk about Lemon, we're talking about Amon Ra, we're talking about JSN guy, you know, Cooper cup before him. I mean, even Puka to a degree. Guys who are playing from the slot preeminently. This guy can stick with them to the point where you think he can play. [01:22:16] Speaker A: He runs guys. Routes for him. Like, he just runs guys. Like, he literally runs their routes. His closing speed is crazy. Like we talked about deceleration. He puts his foot in the ground and he's on really just all over people, so. [01:22:31] Speaker B: And that's a good jumping off point to somebody that's on your list, but it's not on mine. And that's Devon Moore. You have him 23 a corner. I don't love his decel. I don't think he gears it down well enough at the top of the brakes. I think it kind of made me. And I don't want to go full Larry here, but is he a safety? [01:22:53] Speaker A: That's what I thought of a different corner. That would be Brandon C. Say, out of South Carolina. That's who I think. I think he's a safety with more. To be clear, you're not mixing up with him. Up with like Keonte Scott, right? Who's the guy? [01:23:11] Speaker B: Keonte Scott is a very straight. I love Keonte Scott. He's so good. I want to have him on the list, but, like, I can't imagine a world in which he's playing outside and I'm not quite sure he's fluid enough to play the slot at the NFL level. And I'm not quite sure he's good enough in. He's so good at play recognition. He's. He's a. He's a box safety. Like, I can't draft that in round one, but I love him. [01:23:38] Speaker A: Devin Moore kept going up my board because he's just a rapid, long, intelligent and again, more. More of his own corner. But he can play a number of coverages and literally run with player. [01:23:48] Speaker B: Yes. [01:23:48] Speaker A: He always knows where his. His safety help is. Doesn't really get surprised by much. Double moves don't really get him. No. Yeah. I, I, I just really like what I saw. [01:24:01] Speaker B: I think he's very good. I thought his closing speed was exceptional. I just, I hated on any sort of a comebacker, he would take two stutter steps at the top of the break and yeah, it felt like he [01:24:15] Speaker A: gave a lot of space underneath and I couldn't tell. Sometimes you can't tell. It's like, are they just coached to allow like that much space? [01:24:22] Speaker B: College level? It's a fair question. I just. [01:24:24] Speaker A: So that was. [01:24:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I just like watching guys who can change direction, specifically north, south, with immediate fluidity. If I'm talking first round corner. And I do think that both of the Tennessee guys can do that for some of their limitations. I mean, I think that hood is maybe a little bit too handsy. I think that, Sorry. Mixing them all up here. [01:24:46] Speaker A: McCoy. [01:24:47] Speaker B: McCoy is maybe a little bit too slight and can get, you know, kind of pushed around a little. [01:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I want more physicality from him. [01:24:54] Speaker B: If you were to somehow meld them together, you'd have the perfect corner. But that's not where we're at. You don't have this guy. I, I put him in here and it's mainly because you and I. I do not get Iowani. I don't, I don't get it. I think that people are only watching the highlight film, which is awesome. Unquestionably awesome. They're not watching the rest of the reps where he looks lost. [01:25:16] Speaker A: Lost. So yeah, people are saying he's, you know, like some people are have him extremely high level. [01:25:24] Speaker B: Evans a top 10 pick. [01:25:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't get it. I think, I don't know, I think the past protection is really good. I just want a lot more beaten too easily with agility moves. Didn't move in tight spaces like his actual foot speed would sort of suggest. [01:25:45] Speaker B: And I'll give you something on that where he kind of has this like stutter step a lot of times and RPO stuff. I think that was coached. I think that it's bullshit coaching, frankly. Not that I know any better but like everyone goes, oh well, you were never a coach. This. And that's like, well, if the chef brings me a bunch of burnt food, I can tell him that he didn't cook it well. And when you watch this guy kind of coming out in the run game and RPOs and again you have to hesitate a little bit because of the 3 yard rule. Really like a 10 yard rule in college. I just, I just don't see it. I. You, you watch the actual game film and you're like, this guy. Really? You see the upside, but it's not consistent enough at all. And I do think that he's a younger player. I might have that wrong. So I. I have him at 33. I wouldn't take him in round one, but I definitely see somebody getting fooled into doing it. [01:26:39] Speaker A: And by the way, again, for anyone that doesn't know I'm putting out my full top 50. Did he make just a little bit? He does make my top 50. No question about it. He's in my 12 tier. Not really. I kind of want to get to some questions unless there's anyone else. I feel like we covered a lot of ground here. [01:26:59] Speaker B: Well, it's only an hour and 30 minutes in. I would hope so. [01:27:02] Speaker A: Yep. All right, let's see here. Just gonna leave this on the screen. [01:27:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:09] Speaker A: For a second. [01:27:11] Speaker B: Listen, I am a SaaS man, that's for sure. [01:27:14] Speaker A: Let's see. This is a fair question about Concepcion. Everyone keeps mocking him there because of like, Debo comps and isn't that why they paid IUK and drafted Pierce? All that would be sort of. My argument is I don't necessarily know that he solves a lot of problems for you. Unless you're saying Pierce all is your perimeter player, which I think he can be. I just don't think, health wise, you can count on pure salt to do that. And I would rather have a guy that has that positional flexibility as opposed to somebody who sort of needs to be off the line and have a little space to work with. [01:27:45] Speaker B: And to be very fair on this, like, just because I have conception in my blue tier doesn't mean that I think the Niners should take them. It's just that I can see, and this is a faulty bit of logic for it for them, if they do it, I can see how they would really understand what he provides and understand the benefit to it, how they can talk themselves into him. But I think there's going to be a lot of other teams that will do the same thing. And it's just hard for me to see him not being in consideration. And that's all consideration for a first round pick. Given that everybody has been looking for this Debo for years and they've drafted some terrible players who clearly were nothing like him. Right. With good picks, just chasing bad money with good money. And now you have one who. It's like pretty reasonable to say it makes sense. And I just think that again, this is something that teams are looking for and maybe they'll call it the puka Nakua instead. But like I just think that he's, he's absolutely around one caliber talent. [01:28:47] Speaker A: Alberto, what are the chances of getting any of these O linemen? I think the three you talked about at 27 or high, how high do they need to move up to get one? I think Maui Noah is sort of an impossibility as Fano. I think Proctor could go top 15 or be around until like pick. He's. He's gonna end up probably in the first round. But. [01:29:13] Speaker B: But that's what we're saying. I mean I, I think that there's a lot of anyone that I have [01:29:17] Speaker A: on my board out he could be there at 27. [01:29:19] Speaker B: He could outside of the top two. I think that you're gonna have an option of two or three guys be a Freeling or Proctor or Iheanacher. You know, there's, there's gonna be. [01:29:31] Speaker A: I think Ian Archer and Proctor could be their Lamu too. I think you'll always be surprised somebody will go up. But Lamu's like one where it's like that is sort of in a similar mold to Proctor. [01:29:46] Speaker B: Well, not, not frame wise. But in terms of. [01:29:48] Speaker A: No, but in terms of being able. Sorry, I just mean specifically, you can play him at guard and then move him out to tackle. I think Lamu can do that. [01:29:55] Speaker B: Okay, I need to take that into consider. That did not strike me when I watched him, but okay. Yeah, I think. And by the way, like for the reference point, the reason that the Niners don't take a lot of offensive linemen and drafts. We've talked about this a million times. I'll try to rush through it as fast as possible. Is that they hold the grade sacred. And most teams in the NFL, maybe most is a stretch, but a good plurality of teams in the NFL have no idea what they're doing on the offensive line. Overtly have no concept of what it is. They want to do what it is that is valuable. And so they chase and they draft guys two, three, four rounds too early. You have Caleb Banks who ended up having an okay year to be fair, going nine overall when I don't think that I would. Yeah. [01:30:45] Speaker A: Kelvin Banks. [01:30:45] Speaker B: Kelvin Banks. Apologies. Yes. Kelvin Banks going nine overall where I didn't. I wouldn't have put a first round grade on him now. I would have had him in the blue tier because I would have thought, oh, someone's going to see the upside. But like nine, nine. So last year was a bad offensive line class where we're talking Will Campbell and Banks in the top 10 this year? I think that there are six or seven and there might even be more just tackles. I think there are three first round worthy or possible guards. It's a good offensive line class at the top, to be sure. And because of that, even if teams are chasing, you're not going to get the same level of inflation that you typically get with particularly tackle picks. [01:31:31] Speaker A: I think that's fair. A couple more. Let's see. This is an interesting question. How high would you trade up to get Caleb Downs if he was still available at that point? And what would you be willing to give up if you're the Niners at 27? It's. It's like always a difficult question because it's like, what would you give up the scenario? I think if it's. If he's in the late teens, that's when you start thinking about that sort of thing. But it's still a safety. And so how much does that shift the paradigm versus the players you need? I don't think realistically he'll be around very long and I don't think that they'll be willing to go up and [01:32:10] Speaker B: get him, but I don't think they're going to be willing to go up to get him. But if he hits eight, you need to be making a call. [01:32:19] Speaker A: Eight seems. I don't know. I would. I would say if he's there in the teens, late teens, I'd give up [01:32:27] Speaker B: two firsts and a third. [01:32:29] Speaker A: I would not. Will the Niners get a linebacker or safety in this draft? Yeah. [01:32:37] Speaker B: It doesn't mean good ones, though. [01:32:39] Speaker A: Almost assuredly. Yeah, I'm. I'm very safe. [01:32:44] Speaker B: Got a linebacker in the last draft. What happened with him? [01:32:47] Speaker A: Safety is the position that interests me the most. I really am curious how they view it. What Raheem and Gray come in and think of their group and like, what they want. I really don't know the answer to that. I can't wait to find out. [01:33:03] Speaker B: My. My gut feel on this right now is that they just play it out for a year, but they could also completely clear house immediately. Like, yeah, somewhere in between. But like, if they end up going with just those guys again next year, it's like, well, you know, they got a bunch of young guys there, save for Pinnock, who they can bring in another old guy to do the same. [01:33:26] Speaker A: Wouldn't. Wouldn't shock me. Wouldn't shock me. Do you like Jacob Rodriguez? I'm sort of meh on him. I think people are made. I don't See the athleticism and the high end upside that a lot of people have made it out to be. [01:33:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't like him outside of the. [01:33:40] Speaker A: I like to. If we're talking about a guy who's not like an elite athlete on Texas Tech, I like the safety Wisniewski a little bit more who just makes a lot of great plays. Last one I think is going to [01:33:53] Speaker B: be a pro and I think he'll hang around for a while, but I [01:33:55] Speaker A: think, I think he's going to be a solid player. [01:33:58] Speaker B: Great special teamer. [01:34:00] Speaker A: I'm with you. A lot of 49ers fans seem to fall in love with Omar Cooper. Did you guys evaluate him or Surat? I think Seurat has much higher upside and I think he's just going to be a solid receiver. I was, I was like prepared to be underwhelmed, but I, I liked what I saw from him. I have him. Yep. [01:34:21] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a day two pick. [01:34:24] Speaker A: He is a, he is exactly around two guy for me. And as for Cooper, you put the ball in his hands, he's gonna like do what's asked of him. He's physical, he's gonna bounce. I mean the, the upside is not Debo. The downside is not quite who the jets thought they were getting a couple years ago. Malachi Corley. Right. It's somewhere in between with a little bit. I think, I think the floor is a lot higher than Corley. [01:34:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm a big fan of Omar Co. Cooper. There's some Bobby Trees, there's some Jarvis Landry. This guy's going to be in the league for 10, 12 years. He's going to be productive. He's, he's very good. I had him outside. I just, I couldn't justify using a first round pick on him because he's more of a tactician. His Yak isn't as good as conceptions as far as I can tell. And yeah, he, he doesn't have elite separation. He has a lot of the same issues with press and he doesn't have the catch radius. I just think Concepcion is just a tier higher than him and hence, no [01:35:32] Speaker A: question, I have him more of a, as a, as a third round guy. [01:35:36] Speaker B: But yeah, I, I think, I think that someone will be well suited to take him in the second, but it might be in the 40 to 60 range. [01:35:44] Speaker A: I'm with you. I think, I think that's it. We're an hour and a half in. We've been, we've been out here cooking. [01:35:51] Speaker B: Let's go with that. [01:35:53] Speaker A: Remember, remember, I will have my full top 50 up in a bit. And once I figure out how to make a graphic, we can get that on the Hutch Report. [01:36:03] Speaker B: There we go. And let me, let me make sure that you all have the opportunity here to subscribe to the Hutch Report by putting your phone up to your screen or finding a second phone and doing it to your phone that you're watching this on. [01:36:16] Speaker A: If you just stare at the QR code long enough, you should right. Just click Astral plane. Eventually you'll just be transported. [01:36:24] Speaker B: In theory, you could screenshot it. Still not quite sure how you'd read the QR code. What. What would be a URL? What would be a universal reference link, which is what I think URL stands for? [01:36:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I. Hutch report.substack.com okay, you're. [01:36:38] Speaker B: Now, is that HTTPs://HTTP/backslash. [01:36:44] Speaker A: Okay, wait, we got one. We got one super chat in here before we apologize. It came in late. Isn't it pointless to draft a wide receiver since Kyle won't play them? [01:36:56] Speaker B: Yes, in a way, yes. That's why. Actually, that's. That's why it's important to talk about early receivers, because you're talking about a level of polish to where Kyle won't have much of a choice. Whereas when we. Everyone, everyone gets so enamored with the upsides of these day two and day three guys, and it's like, you know, who doesn't care for that shit? Kyle Shanahan. Because the downsides are all that he focuses on. [01:37:21] Speaker A: Kyle is enormously prescriptive. Ricky would have played a lot if he did not get shot. [01:37:28] Speaker B: So that's factual. [01:37:30] Speaker A: He also missed some time. The problem is rookies need to play in OTAs and training camp and stay healthy, which is kind of uncommon. If, if they were to draft a wide receiver and they played all of training camp, I bet they would play. Especially in a situation where there's not like a clear hierarchy of having like a Debo, having an Ayuk, having a Juwan Jennings ahead of them, where it's like demarcus Robinson, where there's sort of an open competition for a guy to play. He has to do what Kyle asks of them, which is. Can be tough to learn. [01:38:06] Speaker B: Very specific. [01:38:07] Speaker A: But they would also have to stay pretty much fully healthy throughout training camp. [01:38:12] Speaker B: Almost impossible given that they get no off season. [01:38:15] Speaker A: But they do start playing in the second half, and he does start trusting them if they do what he asked of them. [01:38:22] Speaker B: I. I was I was on with Larry last night that is up on this channel if you so dare. And he asked me about Kendrick Bourne, who had seven catches and five catches in the last nine games with Purdy. [01:38:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he's made it very clear he's available to the Niners. I would very annoying back. [01:38:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I bet he's free. Yeah. And listen, it's not to say that they won't bring him back on a training camp deal like a come on in and we'll cut you at the end of the year and if we need you again, you're around because you live at the Hilton now. But like the issue with Kendrick Bourne and we actually had this out in the comments a little bit and I thought it was informative of where people's mindset was and I thought I dunked on him pretty good, to be honest. So Kendrick Bourne doesn't know the damn place. And if you're Brock Purdy, who overtly has been very clear, cannot see over the line most of the time and is an anticipatory thrower, if he doesn't know where you're going to be to a tee, he's not throwing it your way. He's not risking a turnover because you decided to do something else. If you're Mac Jones and you only throw over the middle of the field in which you can see the receiver the whole time and you have an understanding of how Kendrick Bourne moves From countless reps OTA's training camp, you can do that. But if you're Brock Purdy and you throw outside the numbers and you're not really sure there, it's one thing if you're Juwan Jennings, he'll throw a 50, 50 ball to Juwan. Juwan's earned that trust because he knows that Juwan's going to run the exact right route and that he'll box out whoever needs to be boxed out, Kendrick Bourne is a wild card. He's not throwing it his way. So this is an issue when we talk about the prescriptive nature of a Kyle Shanahan offense. That's the fundamental part. You cannot run an eight yard out. It is a seven yard out and it's not. You go, well, you know, Purdy should. I think the comment was, well, Purdy should have spent more time working with Bourne. Why is it Brock Purdy's responsibility to make Kendrick Bourne good at his job? [01:40:16] Speaker A: That's a very stupid comment. [01:40:19] Speaker B: Brock Purdy's job is to complete passes and move the chains [01:40:24] Speaker A: on time so he can throw it with anticipation. [01:40:27] Speaker B: Also, in season, you don't get extra time. What are you talking. [01:40:30] Speaker A: That's why training camp for rookies is the whole thing. Huge for all receivers. Really? And the DeMarcus Robinson suspension also. [01:40:38] Speaker B: Yeah, that. That one was still weird because he had so many reps in training camp, and then he's just like, what if I forget everything I know? [01:40:45] Speaker A: Okay. All right, that'll do it. This has been an hour 40. [01:40:50] Speaker B: Don't forget to go get Christian Miller. Didn't see it. Didn't see it. In fact, kind of like the other offensive tackle for Clemson, a lot better. Christian Miller. Don't get it. [01:40:58] Speaker A: Only talking about Blake Miller. Kristen Miller, the defensive tackle for Georgia. [01:41:03] Speaker B: Yeah, didn't see it there either. All right, Talk to next week. Yeah. Bye. [01:41:09] Speaker A: SA.