Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreigner and Hutch back in action, resurgent like the Warriors. Did you watch that game at all last night, Jake?
[00:00:12] Speaker B: I watched a little bit and then I went to go get dinner and came back and went, of course they did that. That was the most predictable way for that to play out. For them to be like, yeah, of course it was. No, here's, here's why. Because it's, of course it's like this team is cooked. They've never been more dead in the water.
But of course they're going to go off in the play in game and just pull, pull it out. Like, I don't know. To me that felt like the most quote unquote unpredictable, predictable thing of all time.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: All right, well, we're looking for the draft, terribly unpredictable. We're looking for predictability in the draft today. We're going over the safest picks and there are some ground rules here. We're going to pick an offensive player and a defensive player from days one, two and three.
We're not allowed to take like the cream of the crop. We're not allowed to take a guy that. I think you had what, eight or nine top tier players. I had seven. Like, we're not allowed to take one of them because the correct answer on offense in the first round is Carnell Tate. Like, he's safe. Like, what's the worst that can happen with Carnell Tate? Oh, he's a really, really good number two. Like that's so safe.
[00:01:19] Speaker B: He's a solid a tier wide receiver.
[00:01:22] Speaker A: Right. Like there's some risk listening like an Arvel Reese because no one has ever been Arvel Reese before. So there's some risk there. There's some risk in David Bailey and that he might not be able to stay on the field against the run. Caleb Downs has some medical issues and stuff like that. Mansour Delane, like, is he really up there? Like, I love him, but why doesn't it feel more convincing? Ruben Bane's got stumpy little arms and some off. And Mendoza, Mendoza feels safe, but he's a quarterback so what the hell is safe for a quarterback? Jeremiah Love actually feels like a really good pick. Maybe a little bit too rich for my blood, but like the correct answer of course. Early on. Maui Noah, like, pretty safe. Pretty damn safe.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: Has some back concerns too.
[00:02:03] Speaker A: Oh, does he now? That's, that's news to me because I much a lot of these guys I looked at two and a half months ago and then I'm like, yep, lock it in. And I have no reason to revisit it because the Niners pick 27. So I'll find out what happens and where come next Thursday, which is fast approaching. We're a week away from the draft, so we got to figure out the safe picks. Jake, I'll let you go first. Who is the safe pick? Not of the elite tier in the first round. On offense for you?
[00:02:33] Speaker B: Yeah, for offense, begrudgingly. Because there actually aren't a ton of offensive options. I will take Jordan Tyson.
He is not necessarily my favorite receiver, and I actually think in year one, you probably will struggle in the first half a little bit similar to, like. I mean, it's not the same because of what happened with Ricky Piersol and just because they're Arizona State wide receivers. But, I mean, in terms of route timing, Jordan Tyson is incredibly talented. Very snappy wide receiver, can break off, can. Can do a lot of great things. Great with the ball in his hands. Sneaky, good contested catch player. He does sort of do the tick tocky thing of like, he's doing a dance at the line of scrimmage that takes about two seconds, and then he breaks off in. Ricky Pierce all did a little bit of that coming out of college too, where you're like, you have to go. You have to go within the timing of the play. And I do think it might take Jordan Tyson some time. That said, I think the ability and what he's put on tape and the production at Arizona State, like, I think that's who hard to doubt and in a weird class. Overall, I think he's probably on the safer side of wide receivers. Although he's not my guy.
[00:03:52] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. He's definitely not my guy either. It wouldn't be a shock at all if he ended up being the best wide receiver in this class because he has some real twitchy traits that just not a lot of guys generally have in the league. Right, Right. Like his ability to whip himself open is really impressive, and he's a separator of the highest order. He is not a concern.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: So this is. This is technically not a safe player.
And then, yeah, my options were limited. Okay.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: I mean, to a degree.
Yeah. I mean, he could have gone with, like. Well, we don't like Ioane as much. I mean, I could have gone with
[00:04:31] Speaker B: Spencer Fano, who's not safe because he's got stumpy arms. And you're converting him from tackle to guard in round one.
[00:04:38] Speaker A: You could have gone with Sadiq. Sadiq feels safe, but his tight end, never a safe position.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: I don't. I don't know if he's fully safe because there's a lot of questions about the arm length and. Yeah, and some of that stuff, especially taking a tight end in round one.
So I don't know. There's, there's the top is safe but, but round one gets really dangerous.
[00:05:00] Speaker A: Here's my concern. I mean obviously there's the injury stuff. There is the I'm going to, I'm just going to go down stuff that really does show up on tape. There's the lack of a clean route running tree and there's the fact that he has like really short arms, 11th percentile arms. And that kind of stuff isn't huge. Like we're not talking about a tackle, we're not talking about a defensive end. Uh, and you can certainly get away with it, but I, I just do not.
You don't see that kind of snatch. You don't see the catch radius with him. It has to be on the money. And when you're somebody who doesn't beat man off the line, you're somebody who needs that space at Z to to get that your release, your release is, as you noted, a little late. And you don't have this huge catch radius. Like it's cool that you separate. But yeah, to be clear, let me
[00:05:51] Speaker B: just list the amount of options we had for round one. There was Kenyan Sadiq. Yes. There's Monroe Freeling. Spencer Fano.
[00:05:58] Speaker A: No.
[00:05:59] Speaker B: Kaden Proctor.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: Maybe.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: And I guess Makai Lemon.
[00:06:06] Speaker A: Lemon mackay. Lemon. Probably safer. Probably safer than Tyson. I think lower, lower ceiling, higher floor.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: But like we're talking about clear round one.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: Feel safe. And to be clear, like I don't think, I don't think Tyson's the safest but out of that group I might have chosen Freeling. But he's got a lot to learn and he's probably going to go super early and that doesn't feel totally safe.
[00:06:28] Speaker A: But my stance on Freeling is strong. He is not a safe pick at all. There's so much to learn there and you're just betting on athleticism and that's nice. But at some point you all have to play football and get out of underwear. My pick. And maybe this doesn't qualify. We're, we're really working the boundaries here. What a hell of a job preparing the show, dear.
I think Casey Concepcion is a first round pick. I think he's a bonafide first round pick and I think he's super duper safe because I think he can play all three wide receiver positions. I think that he showed really good stuff against man. I think he's very, very good against zone. I think he's gadgetable as we saw with his time at NC State. I think there are some questions about the drops.
I don't worry about that as much as like a Drops for a wide receiver, especially when you consider the level of quarterback play.
[00:07:19] Speaker B: I said on the last pod, I don't care about drops.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: Right. Well and I'm with you 100%. Like I care about fumbles. I care about lack of production for pass rushers. I care about bad technique for offensive line. We could go down the line. Drops is very low on my list of concerns when we're talking about wide receivers. I'd much rather have a guy who drops it but consistently gets the ball thrown to him than a guy who can't damn separate. So I think Concepcion is just clean and the truth and everything that people are saying right now about Omar Cooper they need to actually be saying about Casey Concepcion who is like markedly better and can run more routes than Omar. Like I, I'm.
Yeah, I think AC Concepcion is just worst case scenario for him. He's a really good punt and kick returner. Like that's not. I mean I know first round that should be built in. That's not the case with most of these guys this year because it's not a good draft. There's a couple of good players at the top that you feel pretty damn good about. And after that, between picks like 11 and 50, frankly, go to town, whatever the hell you want. It's all more or less the same. There are levels, but not really.
I'll go with Conception.
[00:08:29] Speaker B: Okay. And then on defense, I was told I had to take my guy. Avion Terrell. Yeah.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: I had already made the thumbnail.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: I. I was told I had to take Avion trail, who I love, who I love but does have some physical, in terms of pure athleticism concerns, I don't really care. I think he's as much of a gamer as it gets. He is. He plays corner perfectly. Like he runs routes for wide receivers. Triggers to the ball, incredibly well played. Like as a tackler, punches above his weight. I just think he's, he's got it up top. He's incredibly sharp. And as much as you would want him to be a blue chip guy like some of the other corners in this class. Right. Which is why I almost took the other Tennessee corner, Colton Hood.
I think, I think Avion Terrell is just as sharp as it gets. Is at corner and I Have very little doubt about him being good at the position. Maybe it's not great because of the lack of elite traits, but I just feel very confident he's going to be good.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: His brother is extremely good. This guy plays like his brother with a little bit more of a chip on his shoulder. I'm not sure how that doesn't translate. I've seen a Terrell function as a very high end corner in the NFL and just, you know, quickly going through his badges, his stinking badges.
Eye catcher, brains gamer, ball hawk, sticky, heat seeker, smoke technician.
No, it's not a blue chip athlete. He literally has everything that you could have for a corner except for elite athletic traits.
And it's not as if they're bad, they're just good enough and then he translates all of it into great play.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: Terrell's a really good, not as small like he's.
The size concerns that he has to play nickel, I don't think is necessarily accurate.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: I, yeah, I fundamentally disagree with that. I think that he's an outside corner, maybe a number two, maybe a field side, but he's, he's just going to play really high level football for a decade in this league and he's going to make a good amount of money, over $100 million in his career without a question like that Feels like a pretty safe pick for me. Chris Johnson's the safe pick. I won't belabor the point. We've talked about Chris Johnson for months now. Chris Johnson is my guy. He's your guy. He should be everybody's guy.
The only question is, was the level of competition good enough? But when you're that much better than your level of competition. I like the quotient that you have to put on it. Like I feel pretty good about it. Baseball players, when they were grabbing guys from Cuba all the time back in the day, they like had to come up with a formula to figure out like what you do in the Cuban league versus what you'll do in the major leagues. And this was kind of pre analytics. Like that's the quotient you have to use for Mountain west, right? But that number was like on the money. And my quotient for this guy I feel like is on the money. He's, he's just so damn good. And again, worst case scenario, you're getting a Surround Neil level special teams ace.
Like I know that that does not sound exciting or fun or positive, but like the guy likes playing special teams. He has the ability to be a true number one elite level corner.
What, what is there to lose? Like, how can you not go in feeling like, yeah, we did a good job here. Because if he, if your pick comes up and his grade somehow pops onto the viable picks thing on your database and you take him, you're just going to be like, yeah, that was good. That was good. Yeah. Like, no one's going to ever stress about that.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: Almost no concerns about him. Especially since he tested off the charts. Yeah. Answered all the questions about, I mean,
[00:12:09] Speaker A: how early could you take him? Like, who?
[00:12:12] Speaker B: Chris Johnson.
[00:12:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:14] Speaker B: After pick 10.
[00:12:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:16] Speaker B: Like genuinely. Genuinely. I think he's that good.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: I think Delane should go as the first corner. Johnson's my second corner.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Delaney, the corners. The corners at the top. I could see frankly going in a lot of different orders.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: Totally.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:30] Speaker A: And dropping out of the first round too. Like, second round guys can pop in because corner is such a subjective position for NFL teams. So, yeah, Chris Johnson's my guy. You went with with Jordan Tyson with no conviction whatsoever. And Avion Terrell with. With all of the conviction in the world. Conception. And Johnson for me, okay, I'm going to go with my offensive guy on day two. And it's Oscar Delp.
I just don't know how Oscar Delp, in the worst case scenario isn't Charlie Warner. And I know it's like, white guy, Georgia.
Like, he just feels like at the very worst, he's going to be a very capable y tight end who's going to run the angles. Right. Who's going to be a decent special teamer who's just going to be out there doing stuff. He has the athletic traits to give you some serious upside. I think that he is very underrated in the limited opportunities he got as a pass catcher and that if he was at, you know, Illinois, he would have gotten 75 catches. And that's a good school that played, you know, top 25 football this year. He would have gotten 75 catches for, you know, 800 yards and everyone would be like, whoa, Oscar Delp, what a dude. But because he's the sixth option at
[00:13:43] Speaker B: Georgia, here we are, tight ends. Interesting. Where it's almost better for you to go to a small school. Some positions are like that.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:51] Speaker B: And I think tight end is one because you, you get more opportunities the worse of a school you're at.
And teams are so desperate to find a tight end that can play, make that they sort of go, well, I don't care.
[00:14:03] Speaker A: I've seen it take it even one step further than that. You also, at a smaller school Will get a couple of opportunities to like, show blocking up, but you also get to put like wicked blocks on tape because you're playing dudes that are not.
They're just not allowed in your sandbox normally. So just, you know, a little lesson for all the young tight ends out there. You know, play it one rung lower. Just.
Just right. Yeah, just one. One run lower. Go Colorado State. Go to Iowa instead of, you know, going to Georgia or Alabama.
Hasn't really worked out. So I just feel very comfortable with Oscar Delp in the second or third round. He just feels safe to me and safe is good.
[00:14:42] Speaker B: Let me go with another pick that without conviction, but who I think actually fits the criteria perfectly. Yeah, this is Jake Slaughter out of Florida, who in our draft guide, his super is totally, supremely fine, just, just not a dominant force, but doesn't really lose all that often, if ever. Like, quick first step with a lot of functional reps against whoever it is.
Survives almost everything you throw at him. Even though he can struggle with leverage at times, his feet can get a little too skinny. But he is a blue chip athlete and he faced a lot of tough competition. So there's a lot of other guys I actually feel more convicted about and would probably fit this safe criteria. But in terms of doing this accurately and who is just like a round three, we need a center.
Jake Slaughter is probably just fine. He's. He's athletic. He. He survives most reps, which is like, I think about it with Dominic Puni last year, you want to have interior offensive linemen, you want guys who can drive, but there's not a lot of those true drivers. There's only a few of them. And then once you get past that, you want to go, okay, high athletic floor and just survives reps.
That's what Slaughter does. Like, he's just, he gets the ball off quick and then he's just helping and surviving and not really losing much ground and in the right position.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: Position.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: So, yeah, that's. He's not my guy. There's a lot of other offensive linemen I like a lot more, but a safe pick. I think he's a safe center pick in round three.
[00:16:19] Speaker A: Big athleticism too. That matters. And he's coming from the SEC where he was getting a lot of nose, nose tackles, nose guards.
The best of the best when it comes to interior defensive linemen. So you feel like, you know, if you, if he was in the ACC or even low level big 10 where he only gets one or two good games a year, you'd Be like, ah, I don't know. It's a lot of meh. And then you kind of try to push it up and you go like, what's going to happen when, what's going to happen when Chris Jones is in your face? Like, that's not going to go well. But because he's coming from such a high level to begin with, and he put on again the, the tape is good. Whether it's low level competition, high level competition, he is just there. So Jake Slaughter is actually a really good one. And maybe that, that's the answer. The safest pick is the one that everyone's like, do I have to really? Like, I guess we have to take Slaughter.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: No fun.
[00:17:16] Speaker B: It's. It's the. It's like TJ Parker. Kind of not my defensive answer, but.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: Right.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Just fine.
[00:17:23] Speaker A: No fun at all. Just. I guess we'll do this and we'll be kind of under, we'll be whelmed at all times from this point on. But yeah, we're not gonna, we're not gonna lose our jobs because of this guy. But no one's gonna call us a genius, right?
And it like Larry gave a, an analogy where it's like, I want to be a home run hitter. It's like, Larry, we can tell you've taken 12 dudes in the seventh round. And I'm like, I want to be a double sitter. I want a bunch of guys who are just like solid caliber starters, right? But maybe not, you know, all pros, like home run hitter. Like, you know, have you seen baseball lately? These guys strike out a lot. And maybe not that I want to. I want a bunch of like Brian Anderson's from the Orioles back in the day who's just like lacing 70 doubles a year, getting on base, making things happen.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: Go Oppo.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: Exactly. Just, you know, just, just make, get, get yourself in scoring position off the swing. If you do that, like that's badass. Like it'd be great to have Aaron Judge, but here we go.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: TJ Parker of Jake Brendels is the correct answer for that is exactly right.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: Kawachipdo.
But yeah, doubles is there. Jake Slaughter's a single. Jake Slaughter's like one out. Here's a single.
I'm not stealing second for you either. We're just.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: Luis Aria is just. I'm going to single.
[00:18:39] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, I guess this works good bat to ball skills. Just can you tell I'm watching the Giants and that no one's got to run yet? It's the seventh inning.
My guy on defense and I. I've talked about him ad nauseam on this channel. If y' all don't know by now, you'll know now. It's. It's Anthony Hill, who I just think is going to be really, really, really good. And worst case for him, he's just a really good will.
Like just hanging out. Yeah. Doing that job.
Even good system.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: Greenlaw to start his career. Just say hunt.
[00:19:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Just. Just keep your eye in the backfield and do what you got to do. And if someone comes out to the flat, go hang out with him like this is your little corner. Make sure it's covered and he'll do that with aplomb. I think he projects as a really an elite level Mike. I am fairly unique on that take. But here we are. And yeah, worst case scenario, he's just going to be a solid, reliable, capable outside linebacker. With the upside. That's just through the roof for me and really excited about Hill in this draft class. I'm just really excited about Hill overall. We're going to get to like our number one guys. Let it be established. Hill might be my number one guy, but I'll give you somebody else.
[00:19:57] Speaker B: My defensive day two guys, Caden McDonald just totally.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: So much so that he's probably a day one guy. I think everyone's in agreement where it's like, oh, yeah, this works. This translates in round two.
[00:20:10] Speaker B: Just. He will eat up space, he will destroy lanes in the run game and there's enough power that you can say he's going to get home occasionally as a pass rusher and maybe we can sharpen that a little bit. There's enough pop in his hands that you're like, I just love this in a. In a terrible defensive tackle class. Oh. Where you're like, there's some guys we like in the middle rounds, but it's a weak defensive tackle class. There's no first rounders and he's the only one that's. Maybe Peter woods is not. Having watched the tape, he's not a first rounder. Kristen Miller is like an almost maybe sorta but not proven enough, I think
[00:20:45] Speaker A: level of safety to him.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: I like him too. I just.
There's. It's like, how high is the ceiling? Is my question. A little bit, but fair. He. Yeah, it's like those three are like round two and then it's no. 1. Even theoretically. Remember Lee Hunter?
[00:21:02] Speaker A: Do I ever wouldn't.
Isn't it weird that we haven't picked a safety yet as our Safe pick.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Dylan Thieman felt Dylan Thienaman. I wanted to pick him round one, but you made me go with Avion Terrell, which is okay by me because I love Avion Terrell.
[00:21:20] Speaker A: That's fine. I'm going to miss a bunch of stuff today because warriors did a thing and then I had to stay up and then, you know, the kids are up at like 5:36, so I'm cooked. I'm cooked. And we got to knock this thing out.
But that is a great joke with gravy. As per usual.
Day three. And here's how I know it's a really, really bad draft.
It took me 45 minutes to find just lists of names. Know every one of them, have a feeling about every one of them. Not one of them said to me, this is safe. This is, you know, just go with that. That's a good pick. Here's your single. Here's your double. Not one of them. I'll start on, on offense like Pat Coogan, the center from Indiana. Just big old dumpy boy.
I don't. I don't know.
[00:22:04] Speaker B: We fine.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: He'll be fine.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: He'll be fine.
[00:22:07] Speaker A: I don't know if he'll ever start a game, but he will be on an NFL.
[00:22:10] Speaker B: He's the only interior round four guy we have. I think.
[00:22:13] Speaker A: I know, I know.
[00:22:14] Speaker B: We.
[00:22:15] Speaker A: The fall off is so incredible after like 80.
Yeah, it's. It gets daily. It gets really like, there's a big gap between like 45, 50, and 80. Like, that's a whole other tier. Like, round three is a distinct thing.
[00:22:32] Speaker B: It's going to be a draft where you get to round four and you're like, there's 70 players I don't like. And three guys were like, oh, my God, I don't care what round we're in. This guy is three rounds above the rest of these people.
[00:22:44] Speaker A: Right. I'm going to put a little bet out here. There is going to be a player taken before the end of round five that you and I do not know.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: Oh, it's going to be before the end of round four.
[00:22:58] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. There it is. Well, I think you know more than I do. So that's.
[00:23:02] Speaker B: It's going to be before the end of round four where we go, what?
Martin got drafted 75th overall.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: Jesus. I mean, we, we. We loosely knew the name. It was like this vague concept of a player. And then we go back in the notes and we're like, oh, no. Why would that happen? That. No, like, we did go over this we just didn't think that it was important. Proved to be very important.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: Maybe we'll come. We'll come back around to it.
[00:23:27] Speaker A: We'll come back. Never came back around.
Yeah. So I'll go with Pat Coogan. Big old dumpy boy, Very good guard at Notre Dame. Goes to Indiana's. The center there. He's smart. My comp for him in the draft guide was John Feliciano with brains.
John Feliciano played for a long time and people don't really like John Feliciano, so he must have been pretty good. So, yeah, that was that. That's where I'm going. It's Pat Coogan and, boy, was that hard to find.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: Yeah. My offensive guy is going to be Kalon Black, who's funny that he was kind of the number two for Indiana when I was like, he's so much better than Roman Hemby.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: Like, it's not even really close. And he had to do a lot of the dirty work. I just think whoever gets him is going to be like, this is the best number two running back.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: He's.
[00:24:08] Speaker B: He's a great athlete.
He's kind of slippery. He does a lot of the dirty work. He pass protects pretty well. Looks kind of comfortable as a Route 1 or Route Runner. Could, like, legitimately be a nice RB one on a team. Like, I wouldn't. Wouldn't shock me at all if he turned out to be a starting running back for somebody, because I think there's that upside.
He's at worst, like a fast guy.
He's kind of low on the totem pole, but with enough traits, you know, to be a guy on special teams and your RB3 who just can do some of the dirty work when the next guy's out.
[00:24:45] Speaker A: He is the Ashton Genty of Patrick Taylor's.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: That's a beautiful sentiment.
[00:24:50] Speaker A: Thank you.
Just the best RB3 that you've ever seen. A totally fine RB2, and I guess we'll ride with him down the stretch. He's like, he reminded me of, like, late stage Tevin Coleman, where you're like, you could do this. This is fine. This will work, right? He's going to do all the things coaches will want to play him. Like, that's huge. That's huge. That's very difficult to find, especially when you're in a running back class where you're like, I'm not sure this man's going to live to see the end of his first season.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: Let me. Let me give you one more Indiana guy. Three in a row. Love it. Because Indiana really should just be. Everyone from Indiana should go in round three.
[00:25:31] Speaker A: Yeah, just everyone take them. Don't think twice about it. Yeah. The guys who should go, I mean Safer Mendoza. The guys who should go round one, round three, the guys that should go in round six, round three, they are just median.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: I'm completely with you. I'm gonna go with an. On defense, Aiden Fisher, who's one of my favorite linebackers in this class. I describe him as Mongoose.
He is a heat seeker. Just a great. He is one of the most effective guys and I talk a lot about it. Where Nick Martin had no craft and no ability at the second level to get off blocks. And that's why when I reviewed I went. I don't understand what I'm looking at here.
[00:26:06] Speaker A: Right.
[00:26:07] Speaker B: Because you can talk about speed and all that and being a hunter and playing fast, maybe get off a block. And Aiden Fisher, outstanding at the second level, dipping, using his hands to get off blocks while keeping his eyes up. He might not be a great pass coverage guy. He's an okay athlete but it's enough where I'm. I'm pretty fine with it. I just think he's got an aggressive first step. Really, really exceptional at avoiding second level blocks in a way that makes me think like you could play him at will, you could play him at Sam and he's just going to help you in the run game.
[00:26:42] Speaker A: Frankly, you just can't go wrong taking Kurt Signetti's scouting totally. He's good at this. They run pro style stuff, safe picks Indiana just take safe picks from Indiana. Texas Tech doesn't really run pro stuff level stuff but they got a good scouting department, that's for sure. They paid a lot of money to bring in a lot of players. They brought in Kolishnooski and Cole was Newski is my defensive day three pick. There is not good athleticism here and that is a concern at any other position more so than safety where I have seen a lot of guys who do not have very good athleticism.
One make a lot of plays and be really good but also just hang around. And when you're talking day three I just need someone who can get to a second contract, get a second contract for it to be a safe pick. So Cole Wishniewski just has incredible instincts clearly cognitively on top of everything on the field. His issue is frame isn't what you want it to be, speed isn't what you want it to be. But it's safety especially if you're going to put him Next to somebody who maybe does have those traits, his brain's going to play all day, every day. And again, special teams is a very viable option, even though he's probably not with the best frame for that either.
I just think that he'll find a way. He'll find a way to make plays because he was such a competent guy. The reason that he's. There's not a lot of guys this year. Usually we have a plethora of these options where it's like, he doesn't have the athleticism, but he's a great football player. Right. That's like the definitive round three guy that is around two or three guy this year. Like, I don't see it with the athleticism, but, you know, he made plays and they're like, I guess we need to put a premium on that and then vice versa.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: So weird. It's going to get so weird so quick.
[00:28:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep. Thank God we spent all this time trying to figure out what was going to happen. That won't backfire at all.
Yeah. So Pat Coogan. Cole was new ski for me. Kaden Black, Aiden Fisher. I also asked Jake two more questions before we came on here. Who's your guy? Like, we're one week away.
Take a stand.
Who is your guy? Like, your number one. It could be Avian Terrell, could be anybody. Like, who is your. You want your name associated with this man. The. The stamp of all stamps for a Jay Hutchinson.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: You know, it's.
I've gone a lot of different directions with this soul searching. Done a lot of thinking.
[00:29:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:06] Speaker B: And what I came back to, unfortunately, because I found out his name is pronounced a different way than I've been pronouncing it because I thought it was French and I thought it was Emmanuel Prenion. Apparently it's Pregnone, which I don't. And I'm going to keep calling him Emmanuel Prenon until he tells me I'm wrong.
I listen. He's, I think, 25. He's been in college for a while. There's a question about playing down to the competition because he's been in for a while. I just don't know if there are many meaner offensive linemen in college football. There's not many prospects I've watched this year where I was looking specifically through the lens of a guy to deal with the Seattle Seahawks front. A guy with the. With the power, the torque and enough athleticism to get out in space and run like a zone blocking scheme while not just being a. A booker who's on the the Cowboys where it's like just power and pop up front but can't really move.
I think Prenon is just a mauling guard. I think literally describe him as the upside as a malling guard. The guy to defeat the Seahawks front in the run game and comes with athleticism to boot. I just, I love him so much. I love the level of aggression, I love the level of anger in which he plays with. He will finish people he nevin stop correcting me on the pronunciation. I want to pronounce it how I want to pronounce it. I know it's all wrong. Clearly it's all clearly it's not correct. I appreciate the feedback. I love Emmanuel Prenon. I just think he's fantastic. I think he's so strong he can play in a couple different schemes. He can do gap stuff, he can do zone stuff and he will finish and actually put fear in the hearts of undersized linebackers and safety.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: It's a good pick. It's a good pick.
There's a lot of guys early that I could go with.
I'm going to go with Chandler Rivers nickelback out of Duke.
I just, I think he's so good. I think he's going to be an immediate impact guy.
Somebody who has more physical traits than an Upton Stout plays with the same tenacity. Upton Stout got by pretty strictly on just tenacity and I think I saw a couple of weeks ago ESPN like redrafted round one and Upton Stout was around one player when they redrafted.
We'll leave that as it is that silly. But alas that's what they did and Upton Stout was unquestionably the Niners best rookie last year if you have to take into account the full 17 game schedule. Now I preferred Mikel when he was playing, but that's just one man's opinion.
I just think Chandler Rivers has everything you're looking for at a corner inside out can stop the run, smart as a whip, hips that can open up and take on anybody. I think that you can play him field side easily, easily. I think he can be an outside corner. I think he's got the tenacity to play outside to play boundary if you really needed him to. I just don't know how he's not going to be a dude, an absolute dude and I could have put him in on on the hill and delp category of like round or day two guys that feel safest but I got to give them a higher stamp of approval like Chandler Rivers is my guy, and whoever gets them is just going to feel so damn lucky that they had them all along. Which leads us to our last thing. Is there, like a team player pairing that you just feel is going to happen deep in your bones?
[00:32:35] Speaker B: So besides, we'll move on from this one quickly, but Dylan Theenheit to the Vikings.
[00:32:40] Speaker A: Stunning.
[00:32:41] Speaker B: Just the most obvious mock thing of all time.
It's not even that interesting, so I feel like we can move on to more interesting ones. Yeah, we really. The one I wanted to say is, like, Kaden Proctor to the Detroit Lions. Taylor Decker just retired.
There's questions about if you move Proctor to right tackle or whatever. If you keep.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: Keep playing a guard, you move over, you move over. What's his name?
[00:33:08] Speaker B: Who's doing the same thing with names that.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: You see, now you've pulled me into the vortex. This is the problem. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We're going to get it. No one's going to correct me before I get to it first. How about his name?
His name?
His name is Penne Sewell. How do. How do we not remember Penny Sewell's name? It's because he's overrated and he's about to get exposed at left tackle. But that's just another point.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: But I think Kaden Proctor is so beefy. And just when you think of Dan Campbell, I think of just, like, level of him this close to a monitor watching tape, just eyes wide open on his seventh red eye of the day. Just shaking the screen physically as he looks at Kaden Proctor and he's screaming at it.
So, yeah, so, yeah, that's. That's the one I'm gonna say. Kaden Proctor to the Lions. G. Just a Beef Borgnon.
Just a mountain. Mountain of a man to play tackle for them.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: Their current starting right tackle is Larry Boreham.
Do you know anything about Larry Boreham?
[00:34:10] Speaker B: I do know the name. I can't describe his play style off the top of my head.
[00:34:14] Speaker A: No, he is.
He's played for Chicago.
[00:34:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:19] Speaker A: In Miami and then I guess the lion signed him this offseason. Larry Boreham.
[00:34:25] Speaker B: You know, I could also make a case, though, for Monroe Freeling for the Vikings, just in terms of getting out in space. The Vikings are the lion stuff and finishing. Sorry. The Lions, like, I could also make a case there, but yeah, yeah, no, there's.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: There's validity there. They're going offensive line like it's a Brad Holmes team. They need a right tackle. Come on down. Offensive lineman. Which good year to need it.
Proctor to the Lions. The him into the Vikings. How about Colton Hood? The Tennessee corner to the Chiefs at 29.
Colton Hood is. Is handsy. He's physical.
So many of the traits that Steve Spagnolo loves to have in a corner. This guy fits coming off an injury. Classic Chiefs and the. The Niners.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: Wrong Tennessee corner. That's McCoy.
[00:35:19] Speaker A: Oh, sorry.
[00:35:20] Speaker B: Is the one that came off the torn acl.
[00:35:23] Speaker A: But didn't Hood miss all of a season?
[00:35:25] Speaker B: That was McCoy.
[00:35:26] Speaker A: Okay, well, whatever. Colton Hood probably has an injury somewhere in his back. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. I do know that he's very handsy and he likes to punch, and that's fun. And that is very chiefsy. And at 29. They jump back in at 29. Cause I think they saw that they would have multiple good options at corner. I think that their guy's going to be hood at 29. And then C.J. allen to Buffalo.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
[00:35:52] Speaker A: Feels like a thing. Feels like something that's going to happen. As it stands now. I mean, first off, the attrition from the Buffalo defense has been significant.
Are they going to start Terrell Bernard?
[00:36:05] Speaker B: They are in bad shape. They're in real bad shape.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: Not. Not a. Not a great.
[00:36:10] Speaker B: They should trade Josh Allen.
[00:36:13] Speaker A: They could get a haul.
Dorian Williams, Terrell Bernard, Joel Andreessen, who was like a local pro day guy
[00:36:23] Speaker B: that they signed, went to Buffalo, had a million tackles.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: Yeah, Buffalo.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: Buffalo, the school. Buffalo always has the highest tackler in college football. Every single year.
It's. I don't know what that is.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it's awesome. Keonta Jenkins, Jimmy, Carly, Carlo.
Yeah, no, they're. They're pretty screwed at linebacker. They should probably go get one. C.J. allen starts at Mike week one for the Buffalo Bills.
And what about. What about McDonald to the Chargers early?
[00:36:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty beautiful. Like, they obviously added some pieces there, but just in terms of vibe fit, you gotta know, like, they're gonna love him. Kaden McDonald just feels like a perfect fit there.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: They're just like, they're picking a 22.
They need probably one more defensive tackle. They're very set. But, like, one more Kaden McDonald. Chargers 22. Feels like everyone be like, oh, that's a little early. Not to the Chargers.
[00:37:24] Speaker B: Not to the Chargers.
[00:37:25] Speaker A: Funny.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: You know, it's funny. I would have said, you know, it's like if McDaniel was still with the Dolphins and it could work with the Chargers. But I was going to say, like, Makai Lemon to McDaniel. Feels like a hand in glove fit with Lemon.
[00:37:40] Speaker A: D, how confident do you feel that Lemon can play on the line of scrimmage? I mean, I feel better about it than Tyson, but he feels like slot only to me.
[00:37:48] Speaker B: USC is impossible for me to make any definitive statements about because I hate what they do and all of their schemes upset me. And I'm trying to, like, squint and imagine what it looks like in the NFL, and there's just weirdness there. But I think. I don't know, he's got a little bit of, like, the undersized. Not undersized, but, like, smaller guy that can make contested catches. Like Debo, which is really strange where he's like, not that tall, but can go up and get it. I think people forget that about Debo, but he's got a little bit of that where he's, like, kind of tough too, so there's some of that.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: Listen, there were a lot of reasons to maybe drop him. He's still a first round pick for me. I just don't. Yeah, the drop off from Tate to Brazil is big, and I think the drop off from Brazil to even Tyson, I think Conception's at the top of that third tier. But I have. I have Brazil as a tier of his own, above it, because it's.
For all the love that people give Denzel Boston, I'm like, this is actually what you want.
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Like, I had Denzel Boston as a
[00:38:50] Speaker A: third rounder, so, yeah, well, we'll get into risky play.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: We'll turn out to be wrong on that, and it'll be great.
He'll be awesome. I'm sorry if. If I have trouble with a 6 foot 5 wide receiver who gets pushed out of bounds by a hint of wind, I can't deal with that.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: But it's. But he's got such good bend in his hips that he never utilizes.
[00:39:12] Speaker B: You can jump. He can jump. He can get a jump ball.
Great. That has utility.
Not around one player.
[00:39:20] Speaker A: Teams, small quarterbacks. Make note.
Everyone's just. Everyone's just thirsty because Tedro McMillan was a divisive prospect last year. And I mean, he's not my type, to be honest. And so there were a lot of teams that were very down on him. There are a lot of teams that were very high on him. The Niners were a team that was very high on him. And now he went out and caught a bunch of balls from the little man. And everyone's like, oh, let's go get ourselves a Tetaro McMillan. And Denzel Boston represents maybe the closest thing thing to that, because he catches a lot of contested balls and stuff. He ain't Teoa McMillan. He's not. He's not Teo McMillan.
[00:39:55] Speaker B: Maybe the Vikings take him because they've got Kyler now and they say, I
[00:40:00] Speaker A: think, I think they're good with Justin Jefferson. But then he's just.
[00:40:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but they get rid of Addison. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: By the way, without question, A.J. brown is getting traded. Right.
[00:40:13] Speaker B: It seems like a strange situation where they're like, we want to give them to the Patriots, but they're offering slightly less than we want.
[00:40:22] Speaker A: Can we interest you in San Francisco with a slightly used Brandon Iuk?
[00:40:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Here's one usable problem. For another one that is completely unusable, let's go to questions. Hopefully these are usable. Shout out to English 49er for becoming a member of the show. By the way, if you haven't already found out, you should be going to Sickos Football, where we have all of this information that we just verbalized available to you with your eyeballs for a lowly price that is not commensurate to the amount of work that was put in on it.
That. That's the beauty of Sickos Dot Football. If you are a draft tier member, you get the password. I saw somebody in the comments saying, what's the password? And that person, if they weren't joking, is about to be sent somewhere to the moon.
They will Artemis to this mother. And I'm looking forward to banning them full stop, even if they are a member. What's the password? Go to Sickos Football and then we'll tell you how to get the password. It requires money, we'll be honest with you.
[00:41:24] Speaker B: And if you've paid, go to the community page. It's there.
Quick thing.
Keep updating it too.
[00:41:31] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: Deeter's doing some more stuff. By the way, someone Kaden has mentioned, Bobby Jameson, Travis about 100 times in the car.
[00:41:40] Speaker A: I'll look at him. Damn it.
[00:41:42] Speaker B: I will look at him this weekend. I need a break. Okay.
I couldn't go straight back to the tape, but I'll take a look at him this weekend. And there's a bunch of players we actually left off because I had like one. A couple notes on him and I was like, yeah, I don't. I don't want to put this out unless there's a full eval on them.
So we might add some more. And when the 49ers make their picks, there will be a 49ers specific guide attached to it.
[00:42:11] Speaker A: So what they, what them being drafted tells us what they mean to the scheme, how they fit with what the Niners do. Yeah, there's going to be a lot that was, that was the better product. Last year was the post draft guide where we got to rag on Nick Martin for like two whole pages. It was really fun and that, that panned out 100%.
All right, let's do, let's do these questions.
[00:42:35] Speaker B: Catron Allen, safe.
[00:42:37] Speaker A: There we go.
[00:42:38] Speaker B: Catron Allen, safety, three pick. We don't know how to run a show.
Yeah, I love him. I think he's phenomenal. I have him as a third rounder, but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the fourth. I just think he again, has outrageous feel for the position. Not the most explosive guy in the class, but just will be a good running back.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: I didn't have him in my top 100.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: That's okay.
[00:43:01] Speaker A: Just not, not eye popping enough. I feel like a running back, especially at the college level, should make me feel something. Otherwise you're just an Indiana back. But yeah, Katrin Allen's fine. He's fine. And there's a lot of guys in this class who are fine.
There's not a lot of risk, reward with many of these running backs this year because a lot of them, it's pretty clear it's very high risk, very minimal Reward, kind of 5, 10 percenters. And then the other guys who are, you know, the ones that are going to get drafted higher, they're like, yeah, not a lot of downside risk, but not anything that you're going to feel great about down the line. Like never going to develop into something that's more fun or interesting. So Katrin Allen fits that. I think I had him as like my fifth or sixth running back, but definitely in that second tier tier still. Yeah, with.
Yeah, with. With everybody else. Which is to say something. I mean, it's love, actually. So it's really third tier. It's love, it's price. And then it's like Jamari Taylor, K Tron Allen, Nick Singleton, Damon Claiborne. For me, I could even slide in a black.
That's about it. I, I'm not in on. You and I are both in agreement on two guys. Like, we're not in at all on Jonah Coleman. We're not in at all on Mike Washington.
[00:44:18] Speaker B: That's who I was going to talk about for this next question. Who are you guys cautiously pessimistic about Mike? I need to find that Jake somebody For me, I'm thinking of it as elite physical traits, which Mike Washington has sure. Tape that wants. That makes me lose my mind. That just frustrates me to no end. Right. Mike Washington, I don't think is actually a good football player. I actually feel pretty confident he's not a good football player.
But he runs. He's so large, he runs fast in a straight line that it's a problem. He will break some angles, not ankles.
He also doesn't pop off tackles all that well for a guy that large. Kind of goes down pretty easily.
I don't think he's that good, but it might not matter if he gets in the right system. And they just say, go, we're gonna throw you a swing pass and we're gonna block for you and you're gonna run real fast and it's going to work out.
So I feel like he's a little bit Isaac Arundel ish with probably a little bit more natural ability.
[00:45:19] Speaker A: Asking me who I'm pessimistic about is a Pandora's box.
I'll just lay in. We just went through Denzel Boston. I think Monroe Freeling is a concerning prospect. I think that he's getting way too much credit for way too little good tape. If he even had that. There were still pretty glaring deficiencies. Even when people are like, he got so much better. And it's like, yes, but he didn't get too good. Like, he wasn't good, then he just got better.
[00:45:46] Speaker B: So disagree. But that's okay.
[00:45:48] Speaker A: Hands, angles, foot placement. The foot. For someone who is supposedly very fleet of foot, his footwork is a hot mess.
And then he doesn't know when to throw his hands. He's always coming at an angle. It's just like he needs a full red shirt year.
And yeah, unquestionably very high level athleticism. I'm not sure I'm willing to take a red shirt year on someone who is now projected to be a top 15 pick. Sorry. Like, you got to play and I can.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: I'm much higher on them than you. And that's okay.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: We'll find out.
Last other guy.
Well, I just. Let me. Let me run through another pessimism guy.
[00:46:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, pessimist. Sorry.
[00:46:29] Speaker A: Danny Sutton out of Penn State, ain't it?
[00:46:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
Such great athletic ability doesn't ever show up. Seems like he doesn't want to be playing football. One of my least favorite players in the draft.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: I just. How can you be that underwhelming? Malachi Lawrence is a guy who I've Heard even suggested as a first round. What is it you say you do here other than jump really fast off the line of scrimmage against tackles that are typically very slow footed and he's
[00:46:56] Speaker B: not an every down player at ucf.
[00:46:59] Speaker A: Like yeah, yeah, he's an idea, he's a concept and I don't think that concept is going to pan out. I'm much lower on our Mason Thomas than consensus. I'm even way lower than you are. You had him at 52. I have him at 92.
There is. I can't deny that there is something there but there it doesn't do it for me because it feels like there is wish casting happening with our Mason Thomas because he has the ability to jump get off the line very fast.
He's stumpy, he's.
There's a lot of who was the defensive tack or defensive end that the Bengals took last year who we both agreed sucked.
Yeah, a lot of Shamar Stewart in an R. Mason Thomas. And actually our Mason Thomas might be a little bit more athletic but a little less functional than that. So out on out on him.
[00:47:50] Speaker B: Two more questions. Justin, you are not crazy for thinking there isn't an edge worth it at 27.
I think Mezador again we talked about this in another podcast but like Mezador is the one that makes the most sense. But he's also 25 with some worrying injury history for sure. That said is the most, you know, day one ready guy. But yeah, there's a pretty steep drop off and people will reach for edges where they should not be. I agree.
[00:48:16] Speaker A: Zion Young is is someone who should be picked at about 40 because of his lack of bend.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: Yep.
I don't know if it's the bend. I mean I don't know. I debate that because he is outrageous. Contact balance.
[00:48:33] Speaker A: Yeah, but he's getting around the corner. It's just a little stiff and maybe it's nitpicking in this class. It absolutely is nitpicking. But I just don't think that he's a true first round guy. He still might be a first round guy. I just don't think he's a true first round guy.
[00:48:51] Speaker B: I'm with you. He's got the athletic talent but I think early round two is closer. Last one. Who is your high risk or high bust risk guy who's worth the gamble because of the upside?
It's a very good question.
[00:49:09] Speaker A: It's an exceptional question. I'm literally using the draft guy to.
[00:49:13] Speaker B: So am I.
[00:49:14] Speaker A: What do you think?
[00:49:15] Speaker B: That's why it's useful.
[00:49:16] Speaker A: I'm going blue Chip Dieter's guy who stands out.
[00:49:20] Speaker B: I'm going to go mystery box.
[00:49:22] Speaker A: Oh, mystery box is a good one to add to that too.
[00:49:25] Speaker B: Let's monte K part.
[00:49:27] Speaker A: K part. I don't even feel like.
[00:49:29] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. Here's, here's a better answer. Gabe Jackis. Gabe Jackass.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: Gabe Jackis is very, very much there. Again, I don't, I don't feel like he's much of a mystery, but I wouldn't have put mystery box on him. But
[00:49:41] Speaker B: Aaron Morton, can I say Baron Morton. Morton is my number four quarterback who is injury prone without high level physical traits. But who I love and I think is, you know, I don't know, there's something to him. He takes check downs, he scrambles, he sneaks out well out of the pocket.
He's got a little bit of scoot, makes decisions pretty quickly. He's got some pretty worrying decision making qualities. But I don't know, I can't quit him. So, yeah, I'll say Baron Morton.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: Xavier Wampka out of Iowa.
We talked about him last year, but
[00:50:20] Speaker B: he's not high risk because he's going to go late.
[00:50:22] Speaker A: Yeah, no, that's true.
Could waste a draft pick.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:50:28] Speaker A: Insane athleticism. Insane athleticism. And everyone's looking for their iman worry. This guy is not iman wor. He doesn't have the same height, length, anything like that. But Nikki Manwari playing true safety is not an impressive operation.
And Wampka like is kind of the same thing. If you just want somebody who's super versatile to line up against tight ends and take running backs and to be a fun blitzer and to effectively be a more dynamic Sam linebacker like Wampka feels like the guy for that and you can get him in round three.
The answer to this is is key. Ron Crawford for me, yeah, I love Kevin Crawford so much. DJ Durkin again should be tried at the Hague for crimes against football. And I would take him on day two. I think that the upside is so immense with him as a pass rusher that, yeah, he stands out amongst most pass rushers. And then I'll throw one more at you like d' Angelo Pons.
Like, there's a lot of risk with d' Angelo Pons because you're like, I don't know, he's small. But d' Angelo Pons is a player
[00:51:37] Speaker B: and I don't care.
[00:51:38] Speaker A: I'm willing to find it. I mean, if you even want to go to the top. Reuben, Bane. Like, we could play that game too. Like, I'm cool with it.
[00:51:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm cool.
[00:51:45] Speaker A: Not all of it, but the short arms thing. Yeah, that's it. Sicko stuff. Football. We'll talk to you next week. Bye.
