Three Pointers | 49ers - Seahawks Postgame Live

[00:00:06] All right, we're live. [00:00:09] All right, let's try that again. Dieter and Hutch. [00:00:12] Just Dieter live at Levi's. [00:00:16] I thought that went well for the Niners, just all around. No, they got their asses completely kicked on national television. Just an absolute ass whooping. That was a 10 point margin of victory. It was a blowout. [00:00:30] An absolute blowout for the Seattle Seahawks. I haven't seen a defense lay that kind of wood in a long, long time. That was. That was really impressive stuff from Seattle and it was truly woeful stuff from the San Francisco 49ers. Where do we even begin with that pile? [00:00:52] Let's start with. [00:00:56] Hmm. [00:00:57] Okay, let's start with this. Let's start with something positive. I thought Upton Stout had a fantastic game. And frankly, without upton stout, this 49ers team loses by 21, 24. [00:01:10] That was a really impressive performance by him. I thought Alfred Collins played well. [00:01:15] Malik Mustafa had some moments. [00:01:18] Okay, end of good stuff. Let's get into all the crap that just happened on this football field. [00:01:23] That's the fewest amount of points that The San Francisco 49ers offense has scored since Kyle Shanahan's first game in charge at the San Francisco 49ers. [00:01:32] That's woeful. This was the Christmas Day Massacre all over again. Except you can maybe make the argument that Christmas Day in 2023 against Mike McDonald's Baltimore Ravens was better for the 49ers. [00:01:45] They had the 1 seed, the division title, and a just a cul de sac that was paved gold for the super bowl sitting in front of them. And they were awful, Just truly awful. Now, again, a lot of credit needs to go to Seattle's defense. A couple of things stood out. Their interior pressure was immense. I thought Dominic Puni, who I've been extolling the virtue like Dominic Puni. Dominic Puni, well, he got exposed in this game. Boy, Brenda looked bad in this game. Austin Pleasance looked bad in this game. Who else was on the offensive line? Oh, yeah. Colton McKivitz looked bad in this game. [00:02:23] Spencer Burford looked bad in this game. Kyle Jus Check played a little bit in this game. He didn't look great either. [00:02:31] There's a lot of things that were going wrong for this 49ers offense. In fact, I didn't even think that Purdy played that poorly. He's got to wear this one because he's the quarterback of a team that scored three points in what is effectively a playoff game. And frankly, a season defining game for the 49ers, he's got to wear it. He didn't play well enough. I thought he had a lot of inaccurate balls, all that stuff, but he was battling out there and there was nothing to work with. I'm not trying to, not trying to eradicate blame from Brock Purdy. He sucked. He sucked today, but that offense in general sucked. The run game was awful. Frankly. Brian Robinson was a better running back than Christian McCaffrey today. On a low level thing, they, they did nothing to challenge Seattle as Seattle came out with somewhat of a antithetical game plan. So Seattle, they didn't do anything that was outside of the norm, but they, they overloaded the middle of the field. [00:03:26] And the reason that they can do that is Nikki Manwari, someone that Hutch and I have talked about a million times on this show and somebody that we both thought wouldn't have worked well for the 49ers in the draft process. I was actually very down on him in the draft process while being fully aware of the insane athleticism and the specific scheme fit that would make him a superstar player. He was the best player on the field today, Nikki Manwari, and that was high level competition for that spot. [00:03:57] He's there. Kyle Hamilton, and Kyle Hamilton is one of the best defenders in the NFL. It took a year for him to get there, and he only played, I think, four snaps in Week 1. But he was unstoppable. And the 49ers had simply no answer for him because Seahawks never had to come out of their base formation, which has Eman Warri playing that sort of jackal role. I don't know what they call it. There's a lot of different terms for it, but it's like big, nickel, nickel, linebacker, Sam, whatever. They never had to come out of that if they didn't want to. And, and so the 49ers, whose entire offense is predicated on getting teams into personnel groupings that they don't want to be in because, hey, now we have versatile players. You're too big and we're going to beat you over the top because we can be faster than you or you're too small and we're going to pound it down your throat. They couldn't do any of that against Seattle. And I guess the good news here is there's only one team that can really do that in the nfc. There's only one team. The, the only other team that can do it in football, in my opinion, is Houston. We've seen the, the results of when the 49ers go up against Houston and when they go up against Seattle here and a truly actualized Seattle defense, I mean that was a whooping, that was an absolute ass kick. And Neiman Warri is the difference between week one and now because Seattle's offense kind of did the same shit again. They're still able to run it. They were a lot better at running it this time around, but they were, you know, no Mikel Williams, all that stuff. And then Iman Warri just, just filling all the gaps. Their linebackers remain sound in gap. Their defensive line continued to just push as a collective four man unit. [00:05:34] And I thought the big difference in this game and something that we're going to have to talk about here a little bit was the absence of Ricky Pierce. All I thought the absence of Ricky Piersoll loomed a lot larger than the absence of Trent Williams in this game because we went back to 2024 and San Francisco 49ers had no one who can win in. Man, I'm not going to say who was talking to me about this before the game, but I am going to put them on blast. Okay, I don't, I don't need to burn anybody here, but I do need to bring this up because I found it very funny in the aftermath. I found it funny in the moment, found it funny in the aftermath talking to somebody before the game. We were all here way too early so that we could watch that slot fest of the NFC South. [00:06:15] And the suggestion was actually it's not that big of a deal that Pearsall's out because, well, I don't really trust Pearsall and I think I would rather have Bourne or demarcus Robinson. Okay. I think we can all agree demarcus Robinson has some positive qualities. [00:06:31] I think I brought it up on this stream. Sorry, there's so many ridiculous thoughts that go through my head I can't keep track of if I say them publicly or not. It's going to get me killed one day. But in the meantime we'll, we'll just endeavor. Nevertheless, it is the suggestion that I have been rolling with on why DeMarcus Robinson hadn't been playing for this team very much is because he wasn't very detail oriented on his routes. And in a Kyle Shanahan offense, you need to run a 10 yard out at 10 yards, you need to run a 14 yard dig at 14. Now again, I'm making up those numbers, but again, the number is the number and you don't get to interpret one way or another. You have to run it at that because everything is predicated on being in the right spot at the right time. It's a timing offense. It's also where if you're freelancing now, the defense can key in on that as opposed to them not knowing if you're running or passing based on what routes are being run. There's a lot of reasons why. It's reasons why Kyle is harder on his wide receivers than any other head coach in the NFL. It's a reason why Leonard Hankerson is a damn good coach and we saw this. I can't remember if it was, if it was early or late. It all blends together when you don't have anything interesting to talk about on offense or at least there's no success to talk about on offense. But they had a third and two and DeMarcus Robinson should have ran. [00:07:56] I don't know on what planet. There's a two yard out route that would be called the drag route. You're not running that from the X receiver spot. So he didn't run his routes deep enough and on a critical third down he comes up a yard short of the stick because he didn't run his route deep enough. And Brock airmailed it a little bit and he had to jump for it and all that but he didn't run his route deep enough and it's like haha, that is why DeMarcus Robinson doesn't play. Kendrick Bourne had one target zero receptions in this game. [00:08:26] Meanwhile, the 49ers had no man to man beaters whatsoever against the Seattle defense that completely sell sell out against Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle in this game. Knowing that their two susceptibilities, if they have any, are in defending tight ends. And Imam Warri again immense in that today, love again amends in that today and getting running backs out in the backfield on the passing game with bump motion and things like that. They have a little bit of a problem with that. [00:08:59] So what they did was they just said, okay, we're going to put everybody in between the tackle box and and we're going to dare the 49ers to beat us man to man on the outside. And they had to put that game plan together with Piersol as part of the formula because up until two hours before game time everyone was under the impression, at least those who aren't in the building, that Ricky Pierce hall was playing in this game. [00:09:21] It did leak out about an hour before that that he might not. And it's a whole. There is a Little bit of a thing there and we'll talk about it later in the week because I don't want to. [00:09:30] I'll get myself in a little bit of trouble, but not the full bore trouble that I could get into if I start saying the things that were rumored and innuendoed about the press box and other places today. So again, Seattle just saying, okay, how are we going to lose? Well, we're going to lose because they have a really good tight end, they have a really good running back. And those are the two things that are really, if we have any warts, those are the things that are warts for us. So we're going to sell out against it and we're going to dare Ricky Piersoll to beat us. [00:10:00] Well, Ricky Pearsall didn't play today and sure shit, nobody else on the 49ers offense was going to beat the Seattle Seahawks secondary in a manner in which Ricky Pearsall may have been able to should he have been healthy. So that was big. Not having Trent is big, too. But most of the pressure that Brock was facing. Well, I'm not saying that Austin Pleasance had a good game or anything. Most of the pressure Brock was facing and the reason that he was having trouble in this game compared to others where there has been pressure is that pressure was right up the middle. [00:10:31] And again, Seattle doesn't really have this great pass rushing bag. What they do get is movement up front and you just get put in the trash compactor, Star wars style and pushed in. And Brock did a couple of nice plays to escape it. But if you have linebackers blitzing at the right time, Iman worry coming around on stunts and stuff like that. If you're Mike McDonald, then you're a sick fuck who likes to bring dudes when you're already winning. [00:10:58] Well, then you get into a situation where Brock Purdy doesn't have a place to escape and Brock Purdy goes down in a backbreaking tackle late in the game or a couple other sacks where he's running into a hip and you know, he might have gotten a yard on the plate. That's a sack. [00:11:11] So that was the Pearsall thing I felt was bigger than the Trent Williams thing. Both of them immense and both of them damning for the 49ers. It felt like we were back in 24 again. [00:11:24] The inability to get any push on the offensive line in this game was frankly a little bit surprising. Not not to have disparaged the reputation of the Seattle Seahawks defense. [00:11:37] I did see that you know, there's some stuff you can get at. You can get those linebackers, if you're running counter or they like to call it Zorro. There was some stuff where it's like, hey, you know, these linebackers can be a little bit over aggressive in their gap. So they were perfect today. And I think that the biggest standout for me with this Seahawks defense compared to this Niners offense is did you see a missed tackle? [00:11:56] Did you see a single missed tackle from the Seattle defense? [00:12:00] It might exist. I don't remember it. [00:12:03] They got guys one on one in the open field a couple of times. Nobody missed. [00:12:08] And it's really hard when you're going up against a really good defense if they don't miss any tackles. They got to give you something and they gave you nothing. And the 49ers just got suffocated today. [00:12:18] Flip it on the other side, the 49ers defense, I mean, they're lucky. The scoreline flatters them. [00:12:25] The Niners gave up twice as many yards as they gained today. You're going to lose that game every time. [00:12:31] Seattle had the ball for almost 40 minutes in this game, twice as much as the Niners. You're going to lose that game every time. They missed two field goals, one one of which was an absolute chip shot off the upper, off the upright. They get away with Sam Darnold just missing Zach Charbonnet on a first and one. [00:12:51] First and goal from the one on a weird play action, but they had Charbonnet in the flat. Darnold looks at him directly and doesn't throw it to him, even though it's an easy walk in touchdown. [00:13:02] That's one Darnold mistake that they got away with. [00:13:06] The other one of course being the fumble. [00:13:09] I think the third quarter, fourth quarter, and man, if not for Upton stat again, this game is a lot more embarrassing than it already is. It was a 10 point margin of victory. It was a blowout, blowout win for Seattle. [00:13:24] I just, I thinking back on this game, like, where does it flip? Like you can flip the script in a couple of plays, right? There's some third downs that the Niners want back, certainly on both sides of the ball. The third and 17 you want back, yet your gross mottos, you want back, you know, you want a lot of your own third downs back. [00:13:44] There's a lot of plays that you want. But I don't know if any of that actually changes the outcome of this game. And that's where I kind of stand now. [00:13:52] Seattle is unquestionably the best team in the nfc, okay, second best team in the NFC is probably the Rams. [00:13:59] And amid that, this Niners path that they're on now, they're going to have to play one of those two teams, if not both of them, they're going to have to play all three games on the road because Green Bay isn't going to get to an NFC Championship game with the Niners. Like I. [00:14:19] They're done. It's over. They can probably beat Philadelphia or Chicago. In fact, I'd bet on them to beat both of those teams. I think both of those teams kind of suck. [00:14:27] I think that there's enough on the defense that you can make it happen. Even though they're going to be down in all likelihood. Tatum, Bethune, and perhaps even DE Winters. [00:14:36] I thought Kendricks was. [00:14:37] But you could do a lot worse. [00:14:40] This wallow guy that they found, he was a sitting duck. That was a. That was a tough watch. [00:14:45] You know, they came out in this game. This was a weird thing. And this is why I kind of want to lay some of this on Bob. But at the same time, Stout was good. [00:14:58] It came out in this game, and they wanted to play in a heavy bass with Kendricks as a Sam, So they wanted to go Bethune Winters and Kendricks at linebacker. So when Winters goes out, they have to abandon that. So they start going more big nickel with Pinnock. That goes horribly as well. The second they just decided to start playing just straight nickel, their run defense got a hell of a lot better. [00:15:23] So what are you doing? [00:15:28] Hasn't that been the case the entire year? When has base worked out for them at any point? Stop playing base. [00:15:35] Hopefully that lesson was learned. Just keep Stout on the field the entire time. I can't believe it. You're gonna. You're gonna give up some, but he's going to make plays, and that is something that this defense desperately needs. [00:15:47] A positive note. I thought d' Amador Lenore had a nice game. That's a big bounce back for d' Amador Lenore. On the flip side of that, that is really one of the worst cornerback performances I have ever seen from any player, and that player was Renardo Green. [00:16:04] I don't know what the hell was going on there, but that was truly, truly woeful. From Renardo Green to the point where it was legitimately shocking that he didn't get pulled from the game. [00:16:17] Jackson, Smith and Jigba is as good as it gets. [00:16:20] But no matter what Green tried to do, he failed at it. He gave him 10 yards of cushion. JSN just ate his lunch money. [00:16:27] Ate the money. [00:16:30] He goes up and presses PIs all day. [00:16:33] That was abysmal. And when Seattle can just press that button whenever they want and they can run the ball whenever they want, they don't really need anything more than this wonky ass offense that they have. [00:16:46] You know, when, when Jordan Elliott is getting absolutely railroaded by the two Bison in the middle and the only defensive tackle that has a good game is Alfred Collins and he's playing limited snaps. [00:16:59] When you know, Sam Aquano I thought had a nice game. I thought Huff had his moments, I thought Keon White had his moments. I actually thought the defensive line on the exterior was okay. [00:17:08] But when your interior defensive line is just getting worked and your linebackers keep getting washed out, whether it be your starters who are already kind of your backups or their backups, when your safeties are coming in to try to set an edge, what was that from Jair Brown on the first touchdown, comes in to try to set an edge and immediately crashes in one job, hold the edge, you don't even have to do it well, you just have to do it enough to where they have to run it inside and you're trying to crash inside, you're not making that play. [00:17:43] I thought Brown was, he had a couple of nice plays, but the bad plays just totally outweighed it for me. And it was the only touchdown of this game. [00:17:52] This defense, this defense got caught. And again Seattle's offense isn't good enough to really exploit it in that way. But like the Rams is and maybe Phillies isn't, but Chicago's was and you know, Green Bay, I don't know any given day and I don't know about Carolina or Tampa, but again, they're going to rattle off three in a row with that defense. [00:18:17] Maybe, maybe they just won six in a row with offense only. [00:18:22] And maybe those matchups work out for them to where, hey, the offense offense bounces back against Philly. That's a tough sell given Phillies defense, but more reasonable than Seattle. [00:18:33] And in the defense plays just well enough against a Philly offense that has no cohesion whatsoever. Might look an awful lot like what Seattle did today. [00:18:45] Maybe, maybe. But then you gotta what? [00:18:50] Probably play the Seahawks unless the Bears beat the packers. Again. [00:18:57] Okay, yeah, unless the packers beat the Bears. Yeah. So okay, maybe. Well then you get the Rams or Chicago. Like it's just they kept calling it the hard road and they're so excited for the hard road because nothing has been easy for this team. [00:19:13] They're also really weary travelers, and now they have to go on an even longer road. [00:19:19] So it's. It's cashed. It's cashed. It might be a minute before it gets called. [00:19:26] This team probably does have enough competitive character to where they make things interesting, but they're not beating the Rams and they're not beating Seattle. [00:19:35] I think that got just made apparently clear tonight. [00:19:39] And the fact that this offense, which has to be the singular driving force of this team, put up three points, it's done. And you know what? Let's call it what it is. That's a hell of a season. [00:19:52] That's a hell of a season for the 49ers, because as Benali aptly points out, it was always supposed to be about 26, and it is still all about 26. And in that vein, Upton Stout playing well. Alfred Collins playing well. [00:20:08] Getting something. You're getting something from some of these young guys. [00:20:12] Wes playing well. You find Jake Ton just out of nowhere. Pearsall, if he can ever get on the field, is really, really good. [00:20:20] You have something in this offensive line. [00:20:24] Not today, but in most days. Purdy took a step forward. I would argue again, not today, but most days. [00:20:32] There are reasons. There are a lot of reasons for optimism for 26, and there were reasons to think that the Niners could keep this charm thing going if they won today. But again, they got absolutely smoked. That was man versus boy stuff. [00:20:45] And it's impossible to see that and think, okay, well, they'll bounce back next time. [00:20:52] Like, come on now, come on now. It's just. It's not happening. I think Philly will be an interesting game and maybe Chicago. I mean, we'll. We'll game it all out once we get the bracket. [00:21:05] They might win two, but they're not win three on the road, and they're not. And even if they were so lucky and everything breaks the right way to where they don't have to face the Rams or they don't have to face Seattle. [00:21:18] They went in four straight games with that defense. [00:21:21] They're not. I know. They just won six. You don't get to play the Titans, you know, you don't get to play the Browns. You're not winning four straight games against playoff teams. Even in a wide open. No one's actually good, including the Seahawks, because that wonky offense, like, you don't get. [00:21:38] You don't get four straight wins with that defense. So. [00:21:41] Hell of a campaign. Hell of a campaign. Still going. [00:21:44] But that's a. [00:21:47] That's a Tough one. And again, you get Pierce all back in theory, you get Trent back in all likelihood. [00:21:56] Those are positives. But even if those two guys are in there, if they're not beating that team, they're not beating that team. That team and their defense has fully actualized and that game should have had a scoreline that was a lot closer to the Houston loss than it was 13 to 3. It just is. [00:22:12] So I think it's cashing over. I think that their road to the pinnacle had to have been a buy two straight play home playoff games, home super bowl not in the cards for them. And the fact that they're even in a position to lose a game like today and make the playoffs is an unbelievable, unbelievable testament. [00:22:40] There's this sentiment has been floating around a little bit. I'm going to make sure we get the initial one. [00:22:46] Porterhouse 11. John lynch needs help. [00:22:51] They won 11 games with a lot of backups. [00:22:56] If anybody did a good job this season, it's John Lynch. [00:23:03] I'm all ears on what it is. He up on this. [00:23:08] Listen, Nick Martin up like. I'm not arguing that he didn't miss picks. I'm not arguing everybody misses picks. [00:23:16] I'm wondering how you can look at a team that is down now to its third. Well, well, okay. [00:23:25] They're going to be on their fourth starting linebacker, middle linebacker this year in all likelihood because it looks like Bethune is super duper injured. Fourth starting linebacker and Eric Kendricks for a playoff game again. Playoff game. [00:23:40] They're going to be down to some guy named Wallow. Forget his first name, but he's a human being who I didn't know existed until about two, three weeks ago. And yeah, yeah, he'll be playing. [00:23:55] You're operating on a second or third string defensive line. You're operating with Austin, at least for this game. Austin Pleasance as your left tackle. You're operating with Kendrick Bourne, who you signed off the street as a must play important option as a pass catcher. [00:24:17] You won. You won a bunch of games with your backup quarterback. [00:24:23] John lynch doesn't need the help. Kyle Shanahan doesn't need the help. At a certain point we have stretched beyond the realm of reasonability if we're thinking that this roster, this roster is the reason. Yeah, of course it is. No other team should have survived as long as they did given the circumstances that were handed to them. They were down four of their five best offensive players, non quarterbacks against what? The Bears. [00:24:50] And then they've been down their two best defenders. I'd argue their three best defenders. [00:25:00] You can get Lenore in there if you want. Their 3s defenders since weeks 3, 6 and 9. And by the way, victory lap on the Mikel Williams thing right now. Sorry, not the time or place. I get it. [00:25:13] But they're on defense since Mikel's been out. [00:25:18] Again, not surprising. [00:25:21] But Mikel was like a one man run defense. [00:25:26] It showed up in week one, it showed up in the preseason. [00:25:29] And I'm not saying he could have held this whole thing together, right? He would have need to have upped his game. And that was unlikely given what we had already seen. But that dude's a player now. And if Fred Warner stock goes up in absence, if Nick Bosa stock goes up in absence, make sure you put Mikel Williams in that conversation as well. Because again, their run defense without him has been woeful, woeful. And it hadn't gotten caught all that often. [00:25:58] Though Tony Pollard might disagree during this nice winning stretch. [00:26:03] But that's also because their offense was going at three points a drive for the last six weeks. [00:26:09] Longer than that going back to week 10, going to 3.3 points per drive. That's insane shit. [00:26:16] So I disagree on the John lynch needs help thing. [00:26:22] No one goes, no one bats a thousand on this stuff. And he has in a very dire set of circumstances found ways to continue to put together a roster that even with all of their warts, and we have spent countless hours talking about those warts because we are a very negative Nancy Show. [00:26:47] Won 11 games and had a chance for the one seed and the division tonight in week 18 on national television on a third game in 13 days. [00:26:59] Again, not, not exonerating anybody here but John Lynch. Of all the people today to pin this one on, John lynch is the last. [00:27:09] Think about, think about how other teams just crumbled under the lightest amount of adversity. [00:27:17] Yeah, they won 12 games. Apologies. [00:27:21] Now, now listen, I will nitpick the negatives on John lynch, don't get me wrong, but. [00:27:29] And we know what that record is, right? It's not as if we haven't done that to this point. But I mean, what a, what an unbelievable campaign, unbelievable campaign they've had. [00:27:43] And a real testament to, you know, some of the young guys on defense in particular stepping up. A real testament to finding guys off the street who can help this team win football games. [00:27:56] As much as Brock has been incredible, it's not like he's Josh Allen here. [00:28:00] You know, we're not talking about Patrick Mahomes. [00:28:04] We're not talking about this surefire first ballot hall of Famer who just put anyone around him and they'll figure it out. [00:28:11] So again, I think that we're carrying some baggage if we're trying to throw this all on John Lynch. [00:28:21] I think John lynch has probably done more to cover himself in glory this year than maybe anybody else. And we're talking about Kyle doing his best coaching job and Brock elevating to another level and Robert Salah getting another head coaching job. All this stuff like John lynch, you want to fire him, that's cool. You know where he's going to go? [00:28:37] 1 of 12 bidding teams, 32 or 30 other 1, 31 other teams are going to put a bid in to get them in their front office. And I bet four or five. [00:28:50] I mean, that's not to say of all the teams that would, all the teams that would fire their general manager to put him in charge. [00:29:02] Think about all the teams that are going to need a general manager. He's first on the list, guaranteed, with a bullet. [00:29:10] Think about all the general managers in this league that worked under John Lynch. [00:29:14] Listen, again, I'm not going to say that he's nailed all of it. We can start with Trey Lance and we can go from there. But the idea that John lynch is in over his head or that he's got to wear this season, they won 12 games in a season that should have resulted in four or five wins. [00:29:28] So many things went wrong this season that didn't go wrong last year and they won six last year and last year is considered a disaster class. [00:29:37] So, you know, and this is a good point from Nevin, if you want to call out lynch, the current safety mess is the best case. But even then, he's not the one who banished Siegel. Like, yeah, listen, Malik Mustafa is a good player. [00:29:53] He's having to do things that he's not terribly physically capable of doing. He needs to be a strong safety. [00:30:01] Of course you're going to have to play too high in the modern NFL. Like, and he's okay at that. He's slow on break, stuff like that. [00:30:09] The Jair thing is bizarre. It's bizarre. Again, he has his flash, but the negatives loom a lot larger in my mind. And why he gets the benefit of the doubt and not Siegel was strange. Strange because again, they threw Upton stat out there, right? You have Chase Lucas on the team. You know what Chase Lucas is. You're not feeling great about Chase Lucas, but you have Upton stout. He's making a lot of mistakes, too. And they're like, let him play through it. He'll figure it out. And they were right. He has figured it out. He's a really good player. But Marquis Siegel's back there. They love him. They can't get enough of them. They're talking him up left, right and center to me and Jake and they're playing them in ways in weeks one, two and three. That is just, oh, they're over the moon about this guy. They're putting so much responsibility on his plate, like Mikel Williams level of responsibility for a young player. [00:30:58] And then he has back to back bad games. Unquestionably. Not going to argue it. [00:31:02] The coverage stuff, I think maybe gets overblown a bit, but at the end it was like, can't argue with that. I mean, yeah, okay, and for him to get banished, but then for Jair and Malik Mustafa to be doing all the same stuff, but I guess fill the run better. I'd like to think that, you know, there was a pretty good run fill in week five for Marquis Siegel for them to just not see it through with him. [00:31:30] Maybe because they thought, hey, we got a season here. Safety's our destiny. We can't be rocking back there with a rookie. We need someone we can trust more. But nickelbacks are effectively safeties, so very bizarre stuff. And again, John lynch is drafting that guy in the fifth round. [00:31:46] So, you know, we go in on. On wide receivers. [00:31:54] They don't have enough wide receivers. Well, they're supposed to have both Ricky Pearsall and Brandon Aiuk or whichever draft picks they were supposed to get for Brandon Iuk. Plus they have Joanne Jennings. He's pretty good. [00:32:05] Wouldn't have known it today, but he's pretty good. [00:32:11] You know, D Rob has his moments. It's still an 11 personnel or 21 personnel team. [00:32:20] I'm not concerned about the roster construction. I'm concerned about their inability to get any push on either of their lines today and the issues that were there. Being so easily exploited by Mike McDonald and by the way, by Clint Kubiak. I thought Kubiak called a really good game today. [00:32:40] So was the stuff still siloed and rather predictable? Yeah, but they. [00:32:47] When you run the ball the way they ran the ball today, doesn't take an offensive genius to realize, hey, we should keep doing that because it wasn't like Kenneth Walker was busting it. There was just giant open holes everywhere on the field. It was an absolute domination by an offensive line that frankly, you put them in enough pass pro situations, they were going to get got. But they never had to really be in pass pro all that often. [00:33:14] I will say this as we have now switched to the most important topic of the day. Clearly in the chat. [00:33:22] I just blame the uniforms. [00:33:26] Awful. [00:33:28] Awful. [00:33:29] I'm sure you know, your 13 year old cousin looks good in it. Your, your, your dipshit uncle looks good in it. [00:33:38] Or not, you know, it's just covering up his belly. Black is very slimming, but just awful. [00:33:44] And it I say that strictly on the premise of The San Francisco 49ers should have no alternate uniforms. And I include the 94s, no alternate uniforms whatsoever. This is a premier franchise in professional sports. This is a premier franchise in the NFL. In fact, it might be the marquee franchise in the NFL. My wife's from Scotland. She knew the 49ers. [00:34:07] She thought that that's the team that represented what American football looked like. [00:34:11] And so the idea of some money grab. The Yankees don't have them. You know, the Montreal Canadiens really don't do it. [00:34:22] They did it for a stretch. They had a blue one like late 90s, early aughts, which was kind of boss. But they shouldn't do it. [00:34:30] Who else shouldn't do it? The Celtics shouldn't do it. You ever seen the Celtics alternate uniforms? Makes me want to puke. I don't even like the Celtics. The Lakers shouldn't do it. Their lake show and all that. They wore the white ones with Kobe. All that has to go yellow and forum blue. If you're a premier franchise, you shouldn't need alternate uniforms. See Alabama or Penn State out here putting on some alts. No, let Oregon and all the other teams, that ain't one shit do that. But you, you know your brand is supposed to mean something. [00:35:00] And man, that, that looked like. [00:35:07] That looked like some Oregon crap. And listen, I think Oregon's a hell of a football program and all, but like that's their brand. [00:35:13] Your brand is championships. [00:35:16] Perhaps a level of distinguishedness, classiness. [00:35:21] 49ers are supposed to represent something here. And you're not trying to put a sell job on the 49ers. The 49ers should sell themselves. So I thought that that was lame. Seattle can do crap like that, by the way. Seattle who? Yes, they've won a Super bowl, don't get me wrong. But like Seattle, a team that wandered the wasteland of irrelevance for almost its entire franchise history, they can do stuff like that. They can put neon green on their unit. They can do all that stuff. They need the attention. [00:35:51] They're the Seattle Seahawks. That brand doesn't mean anything when we're talking about, you know, ranking the most important ones in all sports. I think it was debasing to wear those. And frankly, in a weird, twisted way, as somebody who spends way too much time and I used to be way into this, and now I'm out. But as someone who, like, cares about sports uniforms because I'm a dork, kind of glad they lost in them because I never want to see those fucking things again. [00:36:23] Brutal. Absolutely brutal. [00:36:26] And I don't even know who the other teams that you would say, like, maybe the Steelers shouldn't wear alternate uniforms. [00:36:33] Then again, I've seen the Steelers alternate uniforms, and that's enough of an argument to not wear an alternate uniform. [00:36:38] The Bears. Bears have that orange one. [00:36:41] Come on now. Cowboys have an alt. [00:36:46] Sorta. [00:36:48] Sorta. [00:36:49] Is that, you know, that Thanksgiving one that. The blue one with the star on the shoulders that just there. Yeah, I guess that's just their. Now their main. So they don't really do alternate uniforms. They were one uniform. They were white. Wherever they go. Like, that's cool. That's cool. That means something, right? You shouldn't have to be debasing yourself by wearing a clown costume. That's what that was today. And kind of glad they lost because they were wearing that nonsense. Come at me. I don't care. I think every NFL game should be played in a dome. And I think that The San Francisco 49ers should not have to wear any sort of alternate uniforms. And again, I include. [00:37:25] I include the 94s in this because while everybody did the 94, you know, everybody's going to put on the old throwbacks for the 94 season. The Niners didn't have to bring it back. [00:37:37] They just did. [00:37:38] And then they're like, oh, we like this white. No, the Niners are red and gold. I don't want to see anything else. [00:37:46] Also, colossal pain in the ass to figure out numbers today. [00:37:52] You know, think of the spotters. Think of the people up there in the press box. Why doesn't anyone do this for us? [00:37:58] All right, let's do some super chats, because at this point, what more is there to say? [00:38:03] All right, Junior, they aren't one player away on D, but is there a specific position group on defense they need to hone in on this offseason to help this D take the next step? [00:38:19] It's a great question. [00:38:23] I think my answer is going to be a little strange to most of you. [00:38:31] I don't think it's safety. [00:38:34] I'm not totally sold on it being defensive tackle. [00:38:39] I think that they need to get better at linebacker. [00:38:44] I think that they need to find a way to upgrade over Winters. And it's again, not to say that Winters is awful, but he had. He had a tough game today before he got injured. He had at least a half dozen chances to make a big play and missed on all of them. [00:39:03] Fred coming back is. [00:39:05] Well, I don't know if Fred's going to be on the back end of this thing, but if it's Fred, it's Fred. That's great. [00:39:10] The depth there has been lacking, and they need to revamp their depth at linebacker in a big way. [00:39:20] I would say that corner is another position. [00:39:23] You got to make a call on Green here, and you need to have somebody who could maybe push him. [00:39:29] That was such a bad performance that I won't be able to shake it. That that's going to be a flavor that lingers for a while. [00:39:38] Pungent, pungent stuff from Bernardo Green today. [00:39:44] Safety I like. I like Malik Mustafa. I think that Marquis Siegel should be your starting free safety next year, and you could do worse than having Jair Brown, who I believe is a free agent. I haven't looked at the charts in a minute. [00:39:57] As a third. [00:39:59] I don't like their current combination. [00:40:01] I don't like the current way they're deployed, but I don't necessarily hate the talent at that position. [00:40:11] Defensive tackles, another one. Where? Okay. Collins, yes. West, yes. [00:40:17] Everybody else, get the fuck out. [00:40:21] Just leave it at that. So maybe it is defensive tackle, but I kind of like the top end of it. If I had to say a positive here. [00:40:28] Their defensive end group next year has a chance to be, like, unbelievably good. [00:40:33] So Bosa, Michael Huff, Keon White, Sam Aquanu. [00:40:39] Oh, yeah. [00:40:41] Now, that is the best defensive end group in football. [00:40:46] Of course, they all have to be healthy. Of course they all have to play up to their level. But if you're rotating those guys, Holy crap. That's a defensive end group. [00:40:55] So that's something you can build on. [00:40:58] And there's enough with Stout and Collins and West. [00:41:06] Mustafa, Lenore. [00:41:09] We'll see. With Green, Jury's out, first game back. Jsn. [00:41:15] Can't totally write them off, but God damn, there's a lot here. There's a lot here. And wild idea, crazy concept. Maybe they'll spend some money this off season. [00:41:26] I know, I know. Yeah, I'm not holding my breath. Thought that about the Giants, too. Look where we're at now. But it's a good question. [00:41:34] And to answer it specifically, I think I would. I think I would really hone in on linebacker. I think you need more depth at linebacker. [00:41:40] And, you know, this season, Jake and I get a lot of stuff wrong, but we hated that Nick Martin pick. We continued to hate that Nick Martin pick. He showed us no reason not to hate that Nick Martin pick. And the fact that he has not factored in at all as they are finding guys off the street who are going to start in a playoff game, in fact, probably two of them. [00:42:06] That is a damning indictment of how they drafted linebackers. And by the way, you want to throw that on John lynch, that's fine. But you also got to throw it on ownership and Robert Sala and his coaches, who they, you know, the coaches handled the draft this year. They really did. [00:42:20] I didn't like it at the time. I still have some serious questions about the scouting department because Lynch's front office gotten poached so many times. I don't think that they've done a good job in replacing some of the talent in that department. [00:42:33] And if you want to say he needs help, let's start there, right? Everyone needs more help. Let's start with getting that scouting department built back up into the juggernaut that it once was. Where they were able to go from worst team in the NFL to Super bowl participant in two years. [00:42:52] Get that scouting department back up so that you don't have your coaches doing all of your draft evaluation and picking Nick Martin because you panicked because it was the third round and there was kind of a big drop off on linebacker after the second round. And you're like, oh, we got to get a linebacker. We gotta get a linebacker. Who do you like? Who do you like? Nick Martin doesn't even see the field. [00:43:16] Now you're playing some guy named Wallow, which is what we're all feeling after that game because we had to watch it. [00:43:22] 808-9-4. Bob needs to put his arms up because this is the fifth week in a row he's gotten his ass kicked. Jalen Carter is going to kill Brock next week. It's a real possibility. Possibility? [00:43:32] Yeah. We haven't gotten into it yet. [00:43:35] Philly's a hot mess of a team. They're poorly coached outside of their defense. [00:43:40] Vic Fangio is going to love watching that tape. I don't know if he can replicate anything that Seattle does, but he's going to love watching that tape. And he's probably just going to rip it off wholesale. [00:43:50] Pierce all being back in theory, we'll see would be huge in alleviating that problem because having a true man to man beater and we saw this a bunch against the Bears, we're going to. Well, Brock gets the motion tell. Right. He gets the defense to declare zone or man based on a simple motion, not even a juice motion. And every time it was a man, he was like, guess where I'm going number one. [00:44:14] And it worked again and again and again. [00:44:17] Much like with the lynch thing, like, what do you want Bob to do? I thought that they, I thought that they got out executed today. [00:44:25] I'm not particularly sure what scheme woes there were. They ran a bunch of stunts early in the game. Seattle just had it pegged. They just had them pegged. [00:44:36] In fact, this game, more than even the Jaguars game in which there was allegations of sign stealing going into it, which of course is just tape study, this game really did feel as if Mike McDonald and Clint Kubiak knew every play that was coming. I mean, they were just, it didn't, they weren't dialing up anything. They weren't like, they weren't building off of plays. Right. There wasn't a sequencing thing where it's like, oh, this is going to set up that and then this is going to hit him with this. No, they just kind of knew what the other team was going to do, in this case the Niners play after play after play and then ran the right play. [00:45:16] It was, it was, it was impressive. So, yeah. Do you have to put that on Bob maybe being a little bit too predictable in his play call? Sure. But when you're calling stunts early, like, they don't stunt very much. They're going with a bunch of stunts to start the game and Seattle just pegged it and they nailed the play calls and they ran the right blocking schemes to attack it. [00:45:35] That's just good coaching. That's just good execution. [00:45:38] I'm not sure how you're supposed to coach Renardo Green out of making the wrong read and wrong call every single time in a lot of COVID six situations. [00:45:47] I'm not sure how you're supposed to coach Jordan Elliott to not be a blocking sled. [00:45:52] I'm just, I'm not sure, you know, bring more pressure. Yeah, yeah. [00:45:57] And then, you know, the backside is wide open and you have Renardo Green back there playing a disaster class of a game. [00:46:04] It's a personnel issue. It's a personnel issue. And that's not even to say that they have a bad roster when it was all put on paper. It's to say that they're beat up to high heaven and they're counting on some players to do some things those players can't really do. [00:46:19] Very hard, very hard to be an effective NFL defense. When you have your fourth and fifth string linebackers in and you're playing dudes that you got off the street. A dude who, again, I don't know Wallow's first name or where he went to college, he's playing serious downs with the one seed on the line. [00:46:41] I mean, if we're going to blame Bob Sala for not being able to turn chicken shit into chicken salad. I mean, get in line. I mean, even McDonald, who's as good as it gets. Unbelievable. True. Sicko. In awe of what he did today and what he's done this season. [00:46:57] Even, you know, as I was finding certain things to nitpick about this defense, it was all under the caveat of, holy crap, wow. Their defensive team speed is unlike anything I've seen in person. [00:47:10] Closest thing that I've seen on tape is, of course, Houston. [00:47:14] They are so physical, so strong. And again, the lack of missed tackles was awe inspiring. [00:47:19] I've never seen anything like that in person. I mean, they just got every open field tackle. It was. [00:47:25] Wow. It was. It looked like a. [00:47:27] It looked like an SEC team playing, you know, some squad from the Mountain West. Just levels. [00:47:37] Bob's had a lot of bad, bad games. [00:47:40] His game plan against the Colts, he has to wear for the rest of the year. You're not going to get the benefit of the doubt from anybody when you come in and you completely neglect to game plan for the possibility. As faint as it might have seemed that Philip Rivers was going to throw the ball. Like, no, I'm not saying that Bob's doing a good job. Bob's doing a good job of staying in San Francisco, but he's not doing a good job overall. But again, we come back to this. I mean, they're just so beat up and no football team is perfect. If this team was anything close to perfect, they're long past that, especially on the defensive side because you're just down so many damn bodies. We'll see what happens. I mean, I'm actually kind of excited to get into. [00:48:25] Kind of excited to get into the Philadelphia tape because I haven't actually had much of a chance. They obviously haven't played the Niners this season. I'm not, not going in there and watching Philly tape for fun. I do that with the Chargers right I'm a man of higher taste also. My daughter makes me, but kind of excited to see just how big of a mess Philly is and what we can do with that. That's gonna. It's gonna be an interesting game. If it's Chicago again, that's a pretty easy tape to break down. [00:48:59] Hope brock bounces back. 8089 or 4. Can we just get off the field on a third and long for once? Yeah. I mean, that's damning shit. [00:49:06] What scheme. What was the scheme issue there? They just got their ass kicked. Man to man. Point of attack. They got their ass kicked and Bethune got wiped out again and again and again in this game, which is again shows the caliber of Seattle as an overall operation. Even if their offense is. [00:49:28] They at least hit the shit out of you. [00:49:31] I mean, they're physical now. They pack a punch. [00:49:34] And especially in that offensive line, they're going backwards. Not so great. They get forwards a little bit here now. They got a little bit of momentum behind them. They're a little bit of a locomotive. [00:49:47] That third and 17 was damning. That. That drive in general was damning. Let's not forget to. I mean, Niners give the ball up on the three with whatever the hell that was with Christian McCaffrey, and Seattle just held the ball for the next, like, seven minutes. [00:50:07] Not going to win many football games like that. Kyle used his last time out with just under four minutes to go. [00:50:13] They still had like five more plays until they missed that chip shot field goal. So just ain't gonna work. At some point, you gotta be bigger and stronger. [00:50:24] Still, a game that is won and lost in the trenches and the Niners lost in both trenches today, without question, without question. [00:50:32] Might be the same case next week. [00:50:35] Looking forward to watching that tape. Whoo. [00:50:38] My goodness. Thanks to everybody who joined in. Thank you to all the members. I don't know when Jake is back. Jake is currently in Guatemala at a wedding, which is a weird sentence, but, you know, so is the 49ers are going to the playoffs after everything that's happened this year. So we endeavor nevertheless. [00:50:55] My goodness. [00:50:57] Not excited to watch this film back. Might not even watch this film back. Might just watch Eagles film for the rest of the week. But I'll tell you this. They're going to play another game, and it's probably going to be on Sunday because the Eagles play on Sunday. [00:51:13] Yeah, that's probably right. [00:51:18] And I'm excited to see that line. [00:51:22] I'm excited to see that line. [00:51:24] If I had to guess Right now, I'd say Eagles minus two and a half. [00:51:28] Hold me to it. Hold me to it. I gotta get home. [00:51:32] Y' all gotta go to sleep. [00:51:35] And we'll talk about this shit on Tuesday and Thursday, Sunday. [00:51:39] And then, hey, maybe they win, maybe they don't. But either way, the content keeps going because that means that we get into the good stuff. We're talking draft, baby. Already started to do the prep. Already starting to build up the tables and other apparati necessary to properly evaluate the draft. This year's draft guide. [00:52:00] We're going harden the paint, and an easy way to do it is to be a member. Okay, here we go. Let's. Let's. Sorry. Paul's coming in with 10 bucks. [00:52:11] Yeah, Paul, that's probably right. [00:52:14] You know, they only turned it over once. Calm down, Paul. [00:52:18] Paul, get your offense together. [00:52:21] That defense, though. [00:52:23] That defense is unfreaking, leavable. [00:52:26] They turned what looked like the best offense in the NFL into dust. [00:52:32] You can win a Super bowl with Sam Darnold as your quarterback if you got that defense. [00:52:37] And I'm turning into John Grill. Let me tell you what some. Let me tell you something, man. [00:52:41] Got that defense. Even Sam Darnold out there. Okay, We've lost the plot. Talk to you later. Bye.