Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreigner and Hutch live on a Tuesday. Hope everybody. I don't know if you people are not particularly, like Bay Area centric on this, but it is mucky, nasty outside, buddy.
[00:00:17] Speaker B: It is like 40 miles an hour this morning.
[00:00:19] Speaker A: It was crazy. I was dodging palm tree fawns and it was going to. Going to playgroup in the nanny this morning was a harrowing experience.
Shouldn't have done it on a bike. No, I'm kidding. By the way, we have our first sponsor. It's a Sacramento State.
[00:00:35] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: Yeah, they're going to pay us $42 million for me to wear this T shirt. I just love how college football is pay to play. Now. That's. That's. That's not a sign of end times at all.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: It's like, let's just fly to the Midwest every single weekend and we're going to go to Buffalo. Everybody ready?
[00:00:54] Speaker A: Even worse are some of the details. So I've been kind of on this as both of us being California taxpayers, we're paying for this because Sac State's football budget is like 30 million under and it's almost entirely subsidized by college funding. So it's going great. Feeling really good about leadership there. And then, you know, they tried to jump. They. No one would take them. So they're like, what if we bought our way into a conference? And they're not going to take any money. They're going to pay like 16 million bucks to the Mac, which is now just a Ponzi scheme, apparently, and they're going to pay for everybody's travel to Sacramento for the first, I think, five years while not taking a payout.
So it's fine. It's just end days.
[00:01:39] Speaker B: And what exactly would be the. Is the model or the mechanism for, I guess, warranting that? What. What's their argument?
[00:01:48] Speaker A: That they don't want to be FCs anymore as some sort of, like, advertising for the school of being a.
Yeah, I. I can't explain it because it's just absolutely.
[00:02:02] Speaker B: It's gonna be tough.
It's gonna be tough when the Golden Flashes are just tearing them apart on Saturday throughout Toledo. Yeah, just everyone's visibly having problems on the sidelines. Pit players are refusing to play. It's too cold.
[00:02:18] Speaker A: Here's where we're at right now in college football, and we will talk, and we will actually talk 49ers football here in a second.
But by the way, I bought this t shirt for $2 at TJ Maxx.
It's an all time under. Under Layer win.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: He's actually going to be their offensive coordinator, so.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's not. It might go as well as the Brian Florida experience in Seattle. Regardless. I love college football because Northern Illinois is now in the Mountain West Conference and Sacramento State is in the Mac. But you know, Cal and Stanford, Atlantic Coast Conference, it's going great and I don't think it needs a commissioner at all. Should we talk some 49ers football?
[00:02:55] Speaker B: I guess, yeah. I mean, I could probably talk Mac for the next hour and be pretty content, but sure.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: We are a Mac leader. We're a thought leader in the Mac space for sure.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: I watch more Mac than any other league this year. It's just, it's. It's like Everybody is like 6 and 3 and you're like, who's going to take it? They're all tied.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: Well, actually, I will give you a hint on something I'm going to get into. The team that took it this past year was Western Michigan, and their defensive coordinator is one of the NFL hires that I really like in this past coaching cycle. So we'll get into that in just a little bit.
Let's talk About Brian Florey, 49ers tight ends coach and person who was Generally anonymous to 95% of 49ers fans before about four days ago taking the Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator job.
What do you make of this for Seattle? What do you make of this for the Niners?
[00:03:47] Speaker B: I think they were looking for continuity. I think a few things. They're looking for continuity.
They probably talked to Kubiak over the course of the year about guys he'd worked with and guys he'd liked. And I'm sure his name came up, maybe even on the way out, you know, mentioned his name.
Flurry's a guy I've enjoyed talking to. I think he's sharp. I think he talks about concepts really well. I think he talks about, you know, building up the language of the offense, getting guys on the same page.
I think he fits better as a coordinator than he does as a tight ends coach.
[00:04:24] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: I don't think he did a particularly great job as a 49ers tight ends coach.
[00:04:30] Speaker A: That's a wonderful couching language there.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: I mean, I mean, there's, there's not. There's no real argument you can make to say he did a great job.
They have been.
I think the most damning thing was I talked to him and I gave him the benefit of the doubt and I, I said, all right, Luke Farrell. I didn't really See it, but what did you see?
And Martin, they went. Were smarter than everybody else. It was a market inefficiency. He's actually the greatest player no one knows.
And we got him for a song.
As it turns out, market was not particularly robust for a reason and. Or they just weren't able to put the things he had into use. So I think it was a combination of both, he's not that good. And two, they didn't all that well.
So that's not.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: It's not good.
It should be noted that Sauber was a disaster the year before that, except for one. One shiny, beautiful, glorious day against the jets, which I'm starting to think that the jets might be the common denominator in a lot of things.
But yeah, he's back with Sawbert now, so good luck to our friend Eric.
They had no tight ends. They have no tight ends. I know that Jake Tonjas is getting a lot of love. Jake Tonjas is a big slot receiver and he can be a move tight end, kind of a second or a third option.
[00:05:58] Speaker B: Great guy to have on your roster. Not a league tight end. Cannot, cannot be accounted for as a blocker at all.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: No. And again, most tight ends have this issue in this day and age. But if the 49ers had not outsourced so much of their scouting to coaches, position coaches in recent years, and in particularly last year, I would maybe give Flory more of a benefit of the doubt. Because the tight ends coach position in general is just sort of a thinker, right? In college it is like that's your recruiting guy and then he coaches tight ends, which is somewhat ironic.
I've always preferred it. And this maybe is way too inside baseball. And now that this position doesn't even exist, but back when it was actual coaches doing all the recruiting and not some GM and a staff of people because it wasn't professional officially, it would be. You're either your tight ends coach or more often than not your running backs coach. I always thought it was better when you're running backs coach was your recruiting guy because no offense to the running backs out there. Not that complicated. There's stuff. There's stuff, but it's not that complicated. Tight ends, meanwhile, that's a position that we never expect a rookie to succeed in because there's so much being put on them. You have to be an offensive lineman, which in and of itself is difficult enough, especially when you're the point of attack on a, on a. On an edge rush. Right.
And you also have to be A receiver that's a double workload compared to a running back where it's like, okay. Blitz pickup, like, okay, that's not that hard.
Running routes, there's only so many you can run. And then I don't know, like, do you think Kenneth Walker really knows what the play is? It still works because he's awesome. So I always preferred college programs and having spent a tremendous amount of time with these sort of coaches in my day, back in the day, pre Sacramento State days, of course I always prefer the running backs coaches over the tight ends coaches. And I just think it's always been a little bit ridiculous that there is still this belief that a tight ends coach shouldn't be. Isn't that serious of a job. It's something that we can just sort of bump somebody up into where the responsibilities for tight ends are massive. And frankly, in the era of chaos, defenses and versatile defenses and who knows what position these guys are playing. And 13 personnel, like the tight ends coach is a vital, vital coordination position at this point. I'm not going to go as far to say that it's, you know, the same as quarterbacks or anything or offensive line or anything like that. But treating tight ends coach like an afterthought, which I'm not alleging the Niners did, but maybe they should have treated it with a bit more care because of Flurry. You look at Flurry's career path, they.
[00:08:41] Speaker B: Had John Embry and clearly there was a falling out. There was. I remember that did not end particularly well. And that was a guy who's very well established, done a lot in his career. And then I think Taylor Ambry went on to work with Salah and all. Anyway, there's a weirdness there to that, but he was the one. They're going to talk about Kittle. John Embry was the one that developed. Kidding. He was the one that coached him up. And Kittle has explicitly credited Embry.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: And by the way, by the way, Embry is in Miami now, right? Or he was with Miami for a while. Guess who just consistently had good tight ends the Entire time Mike McDaniel was there. Like he's good. You should bring him back.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: There is.
So the thing with, with Flurry and I think it's always tough to gauges because you're not in the building. But like of course, let's say positive thing. He was the one responsible for dash motion pretty much exclusively. I asked Kyle, you struck. He's like, yeah, Flurry. That was all him. Basically decided it was part. It was something that they had thought about and tried it out early in the season. Then by week seven, he went, I think this is something we can run. That'll get things going. And it was great. It's one of the best. It's clearly the best wrinkle they had.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: I think it's why he has this job now. I mean, fully, like, that's a pretty damn good thing. We have been saying, or at least I've been saying for the last couple of weeks for all the warts and all the complaints about Kyle, like, dash motion was a pretty impressive innovation, and that came from Flurry. So if you're going into a meeting with the Seattle Seahawks saying, like, hey, what can you bring as an offensive coordinator? Oh, I invented dash motion. Oh, it's also a good sign, too, that Mike McDonald is like, oh, dash motion might actually be a problem for me moving forward to be. But it might be.
[00:10:25] Speaker B: And so it's something where the run game struggled, but it was also, like, especially early on in the year, the second half, it really started to get going.
I think people in general, for the sake of narratives and for the sake of simplifying things on Twitter and just being snarky, because that's how it works, like, to go, oh, the stat. Stat's bad at this time. And just to simplify the entire development of a run game, like, it was pretty bad early in the year. Part of that is the offensive line. Part of part that's more damning is the tight ends. Now, is it poor coaching, poor development, guys who just aren't that good.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: Right.
It's.
[00:11:05] Speaker B: It's tough to say. That said, all of this to say it's not exactly inspiring for Seattle in terms of tight ends coach and wanting to develop its run game is particularly like they lose Kenneth Walker, which everyone's like, they're just going to give him the bag and Seattle probably will. But there's an element.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: Jeremy Fowler put out today, and it was a good thought. I had had this conversation with a buddy about a week or so ago.
We remembered the transition tag existed.
[00:11:34] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: The transition tag, Fowler.
[00:11:36] Speaker B: 11 or 12 million or something like that.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: And it's effectively just, you know, restricted free agency for somebody where you get a right of first refusal. But if they sign away somewhere, you don't get compensation, but you're not locking in the year.
[00:11:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: So that's probably the better play for Seattle.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: When was the last time anybody used that?
[00:11:57] Speaker A: That is a great question, and I have your answer. The last time anybody used it was Kyle Duggar with the Patriots last year. Before that it was Kenyon Drake. Kyle Fuller with the Bears in 2018. That was an interesting one. Charles Clay, the tight end for the Dolphins, got it in 15. Alex Mack got it in 2014 from the Browns. And Jason Worlds World.
He was a linebacker for the Steelers in 2014.
Only two guys have ever played the full season on it. Kenyon Drake in 2020 and Jason Wurloads in 2014.
Most everybody else either signed a new contract or had an offer sheet matched.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I like the transition. I like that idea.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: I was, I was hoping to find a way to talk about the transition tag and you walked me right into it. I had that all prepared and ready to go.
[00:12:47] Speaker B: Walker, do you into it now?
[00:12:49] Speaker A: We're talking about, we're talking about.
[00:12:51] Speaker B: It's a slow Stand outside in the rain and just stare into the Take it in.
[00:12:56] Speaker A: By the way, do you have anything you want to get off your chest, Tony Vitello style while we're at a public forum?
[00:13:00] Speaker B: So, okay, first of all, I'm always It's fine.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: I'm over it. I'm over it, you guys.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: I'm always generally upset when the Giants are back.
Just, there's something about the Giants being back in the general vibe that upsets me. I I don't have a specific take, but, like, there's a level of like, just annoyance of Giants fans where some are like, over, over the world optimistic and some are rightfully just like, well, okay, I guess we got nine months of whatever this is. And I appreciate those folks. Right? But there's just like a it's everyone, Spring training starts, you're like, everything is possible. And it's like, no, it's not.
They're gonna win 82 games. Sorry, 81.
[00:13:47] Speaker A: I I just, I said, someone text me and it's like, they're winning 70 or 90. There will be no in between this year. Like, there's no I just I, I, I, I listened to that Vitello thing yesterday, and I'm like, what did he say?
[00:13:59] Speaker B: What did so what did he say? I know he, like randomly brought up.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: The fact he shows, he shows up to the presser.
He shows up to the the dugout press conference thing. Cameras are rolling. Right? It's clearly on the record, overtly on the record. And he's like, when did you know I was taking this job? That's how he starts it. And it's like, oh, okay, probably like four or five days before the Giants put it out. And then he just goes on and on about like, oh, man, if I, if I knew who did that and this and that. I think history would have been different if, if I knew who did it and you, y', all, nothing was going to happen. And then, you know, the report gets out and then, you know, just. He was just like going through it about how it kind of sounded like he didn't want to be here being Scottsdale or with the Giants and how he kind of got goaded into taking the Giants job.
And then 20 minutes of that and he's like, maybe we should just not talk about Tennessee anymore.
[00:14:54] Speaker B: But.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: And then Giants fans are like, it wasn't weird. I don't know why you think it was weird. Dieter.
It wasn't weird that he's talking about his ex.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: I think it's like he had a great time. What did he go to South Korea with like Jung Huli and Willie Thomas and they had like a great time. And then he comes back to the.
[00:15:11] Speaker A: States, he's like, oh, what have I done?
[00:15:15] Speaker B: It all sunk in.
[00:15:17] Speaker A: I could, I could be playing Nicholls State in a three game set right now. What are we doing?
[00:15:22] Speaker B: It is.
[00:15:24] Speaker A: So we're off to a great start there.
I, there's, there's other Niners news. Sorry, I just, I just wanted to give you the floor in case you wanted to talk about next girlfriend or something and needed to get that off.
[00:15:34] Speaker B: No, I'm good. I'm good. I had a lovely, I had a lovely weekend. I, I had a. I had a lovely time. We were supposed to go snowboarding up in as, you know, the, the interesting place of Reading. And we went bowling, which is always fun. Bowling's great because you're like, I'm not taking this seriously. And then you have like two gutterballs.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: In a row and you're like, hell yeah.
[00:15:55] Speaker B: Shaking with rage.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: I am the greatest bowler of all time and I'm letting down my people. Yes. I actually need to take the kids bowling. I fear, I fear what would happen with bowling and my 3 year old. I fear it.
[00:16:09] Speaker B: Oh, we saw a child who was probably the size of a bowling ball and she kept trying to pick one up while the dad went away. And we're like, don't, don't do that.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: She's like, I got it. Dropping it. I got it. The one year old would. They're both frighteningly strong and the one year old would get a bowling ball and somehow throw it and hit her sister right in the, in the skull. I can just see that already. We're doing great. Over here by the three day weekends. Absolutely torturous for anyone with children on a rainy. Can't even take them to the park. At one point I'm like, we're going outside. We cannot be in my hamster wheel.
It has been considered, legitimately been considered. I yelled at my wife. Is there some sort of treadmill for children?
So we're working through that.
Niners did make a hire on the coaching front. This is a very good. This is a very professional, very professional podcast that we're doing here today. By the way, top 50 list on Thursday.
[00:17:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it's going to be electric.
[00:17:06] Speaker A: It's going to be awesome. I'm looking forward to that.
I'm looking forward to finding out who My top 50 are, Jake.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: As am I.
[00:17:16] Speaker A: So Raheem Morris is in. Who else is with him?
[00:17:23] Speaker B: Jerry Gray. Who. Honestly, awesome playing career, great player, two times second team All Pro, four time Pro Bowler, 1990 Pro Bowl MVP.
[00:17:33] Speaker A: Now we're talking.
[00:17:34] Speaker B: The Pro bowl was for real.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: That, man. It meant something in Honolulu back in 1990.
[00:17:40] Speaker B: You know what they should do is, you know, they. The NBA changed the all star format. We will get into what we're meaning to talk about, but it wouldn't be our show if we didn't. They should have the old timers like Jerry Rice who like still have a chip on their shoulder. They should bring them out to play current NFL players.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Nope. Nope. Do you know how they play a different song, like intro outro music when someone gets injured? That would just be a string of the sad.
The amount of Achilles and knees and just stuff would be popping left, right and center.
[00:18:18] Speaker B: Jerry Rice is on a cart while doing, you know, sort of the flying motion with his arms.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: You can't have it. Can't. I cannot have like Patrick Certain out there locking up Jerry Rice and being like, okay, old timer, here we go. And then Jerry.
[00:18:29] Speaker B: Yeah, but what if it's Patrick Certain Senior.
[00:18:32] Speaker A: Well, do I want to watch that? I think I can. And write us Saudi Arabia in the not too distant future.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: Riyadh.
[00:18:39] Speaker A: Yeah, whatever.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: Tom Brady. Good. Always. Whatever he's doing. Yeah.
[00:18:44] Speaker A: The man who doesn't eat pizza.
[00:18:45] Speaker B: Hawking pizza. His card store across from the Giant Stadium. Yet very strange.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Anyway, it's fine. It's fine. He's. He's not going through it at all. Him and him and Tony V should just get together and be sad.
[00:18:55] Speaker B: Boys, there is no one I trust less to invest with than Tom right here.
[00:19:02] Speaker A: What was it the FTX ads did that set it off?
[00:19:04] Speaker B: All of the above. All of the above. I'm shocked he's not pedaling. He's not rebranded the brainwater that Russell Wilson was obsessed with.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: Oh, the Nano Bubbles.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: It'll be back. Oh, it'll be back for sure.
[00:19:16] Speaker A: Yeah, you can buy it on the Infowars website.
[00:19:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:19] Speaker A: Okay.
What's the name of the defensive backs coach again?
[00:19:23] Speaker B: Jerry Gray. Okay, let's see. He has a very long career. He was DB's coach at SMU, then the Tennessee Oilers, then the Tennessee Tony Titans.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: D.C. for the Buffalo Bills. In the early odds, that was a good.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: Those were good defenses. I believe one of those defenses is one of the all time great defenses on the DVOA list.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: It's a good. He was there for four years so he didn't get run out of town early. Then he was with the Reds Washington team from 2006.
It doesn't personally affect Seattle Seahawks with 2010 Titans again goes back to be their.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: Did you just glance over the fact that he was the secondaries coach and DB's coach for the Legion of Boom.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, I did.
[00:20:08] Speaker B: I did.
[00:20:08] Speaker A: Is that. Is that a point or a demerit in your mind right now?
[00:20:11] Speaker B: I think it's there for a year. He was there for 2010 and he said I got a better job waiting for me to be a DC again. Yeah, I think that's a. I think that's a good point. And then D.C. for another few years with Tennessee, DB's coach for the Vikings, then for the packers for a year, then the DB's coach passing game coordinator for a few years with packers. Then he's basically Raheem Morris's just right, right hand, assistant head coach, defense. And now he is in the Gus Bradley role. Except he's actually coaching. He's actually coaching. He's coaching dbs and he's. But he's set up in the Gus Bradley role of if Raheem leaves or gets hired away, we have him as our backup plan. I think is how this plays out. But unlike Gus, he's actually a DB's coach, which is exciting.
[00:21:01] Speaker A: I'm not so sure on the whole he's the heir apparent thing that, that.
[00:21:08] Speaker B: I'm not saying he's the heir apparent. I'm saying he's the in house backup option.
[00:21:13] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. We'll see how that develops.
Let's just point out that like if you had to say there was one good thing about the Atlanta Falcons last year, it was their dbs.
Now they did have Jesse Bates on their roster. That matters a lot. He's really good. But Xavier Watts comes in and finished fourth in rookie of the year. He was really impressive. Five picks. He was really good. And I've been watching some Atlanta trying to figure out what it is. It's actually not that complicated. I mean, he turned Mike Hughes, who was sort of a journeyman. Right. He was drafted by the Vikings. Little too handsy. I wasn't the biggest fan, but there was something to him. When he was coming out of ucf, he turned in him into like a downright dominant player.
Obviously. You know, when you have really, really good corner like AJ Terrell, life is easier.
Who's the other one? DeAndre Alford had a really nice season as well, so there was. There was something to be said for their secondary. And that's obviously Raheem Morris's like, that's what he's about. So having a guy that he knows while he's coordinating and he can't be as hands on as he wants, having a guy he knows who can execute his vision of what DB should do, that should be considered a real positive for the Niners. I don't think that this particularly portends any schematic lean for Raheem right now. I just think it's, hey, we need a new DBs coach because we're not keeping.
We're not keeping the old one around.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:40] Speaker A: And this guy knows what it is that I teach, what it is I like to do on the back end. And that has been a very successful of, like, if, again, that is what Raheem Morris is known for. He gets DBs to play up. So I think we're gonna get some clarity at safety. I'm fascinated.
[00:22:59] Speaker B: I'm really interested. I just want to know, like, what sort of mold they like. Yeah, you know, I want to know, like, what do you. What do you think the future of safety is? Is it having an E man warrior type that just has the physicality to play in the box? Or do you think.
I don't know. Maybe it's. They just need a true center fielder that they had. The 49ers haven't had since Jimmy Ward.
[00:23:20] Speaker A: I think that is a fair.
Wow.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: That.
[00:23:26] Speaker A: That might be right.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: I think it's Jimmy Ward. I mean, they had.
What's his name, who was just. They kept around the veteran.
[00:23:36] Speaker A: Yeah, Gibson for a long time.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: Right. But Gibson wasn't like a paradigm shifter. He was just a smart vet who.
[00:23:42] Speaker A: Was, you know, by the way, Jimmy Ward. Available.
Available if you want him. It's a free agent.
Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't advocating it. I was just merely stating that he was in fact available.
Does Seattle have any Kobe Bryant's available in free agency? And while that has very little to do with all of this.
Kobe Bryant's really good.
He's really good. And I am of the mindset that the Niners are probably, if I had to guess right now, just going to be a too high versatile safety thing where, okay, the Iman worry types are fun. They have to be ancillary. They have to be that, that third safety that you can put on the field and not take off. They have to be considered more of like a super versatile linebacker than they are. Right.
[00:24:31] Speaker B: He's your will, essentially.
[00:24:33] Speaker A: Right. Or Sam or whatever. But like if that's how we're viewing it. So meanwhile, you play the too high shell and you have versatility for tight ends and running backs at linebacker without it being a true linebacker. If we're doing the Mike McDonald way of going about things, that's how you do it. If you're in a, if you're in a 4, 2 situation, then you have Emanwari on the field, right?
Or, or Witherspoon on the field, one or the other. And when you're in. I'd rather have Witherspoon, obviously. And then, and then if you're in a true dime situation, you can play dime while still being stout against the run because you have a guy like Witherspoon at nickel and then you have a guy like Iman Wari that can play a sort of a big dime. It's not really nickel. I mean, they call it thick nickel, but like it's really a die. He's really a dimebag. And again, I think with the condensed splits. We don't talk about condensed splits a lot. Obviously with the Niners it was a big thing, but with condensed splits and just everybody being tight as the spread revolution died a very unceremonious death after about four games for Cliff Kingsbury in Arizona.
[00:25:42] Speaker B: Yeah, everyone went, oh, the NFL's. Nope. No, no, no, no, no.
[00:25:47] Speaker A: Oh, you mean that even NFL quarterbacks can't make a 25 yard out across the field?
So it's even with that, with the condensed splits to help, you know, with wide receivers helping in the run game and things like that to create some chaos on that front. I think that just having having those options, but I think viewing them as linebackers is better than making sure you have two good safeties that can crash. But also have the ability to get out and cover in a zone scheme. I mean, I.
It is a stretch to say that they can do a McDonald's style defense because they don't have the personnel up front or at the second level or really at the third level yet.
[00:26:23] Speaker B: They don't need to. To be a good defense. They. They don't need. People don't need to copy the McDonald's scheme. And it also is. It takes time to try and get that sort of language in. The complexity of the rules for their rush patterns and. And the. The way they blitz, like some of that stuff.
It has. If they show you this, you do this. Like, it's pretty complex and makes some defensive linemen have to think which.
And the 49ers typically don't.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: They do not care for it.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: Don't think. Go.
I do wonder how much that changes, if at all. If. If there's some Chris Kasura conversation about, hey, buddy, we can do some other things.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: Maybe pull it back a little bit. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe not so much of the yelling.
Yeah, this is a guy who yells.
[00:27:13] Speaker B: A guy who yells. Yeah, I know.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: To be fair, they tried that at the beginning of last season.
I wouldn't say it went well, but it was interesting.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: It was. It was fun. I mean, they. They. And then they lost all the pieces that could have made it perhaps more sustainable over the course of the year.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: Obviously, with Mikel not being there, that was huge. But, like, losing Yetor Gross Motos was sneaky. A real problem for them because the idea was that you could do Mikel and Utor Grossman. Now you have this kind of weird, versatile thing going on the defensive line with one or two guys every snap, and then they're like, what if we had neither? And it's like, oh, they.
[00:27:52] Speaker B: They haven't shown that they believe in. In sort of the Nick Emanwari safety, but they have the Nick Eman worri, like, defense philosophy for, like, defensive ends, you know?
[00:28:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yes. They.
Well, it's not that hard of a stretch to say, like, what if we peel him off into coverage when we bring a blitz from the second level? If you are already sliding dudes inside on third downs, I feels like that is actually like a completely different thing. But if you're already allowing technique melding and there's a, you know, an ambiguity to what technique you are, I guess it's not that far of a stretch to say, what if you weren't even a defensive lineman? I mean, we're really expanding our minds here.
It was I mean, there was. There was plays this past year, I think, in the indie game where they were peeling off CJ west into coverage.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they dropped him and then he tried to jump. He tried to jump and swat a ball down. And his vertical is not substantial.
[00:28:51] Speaker A: He's like one of those little mushroom guys from Mario.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: Like I was. I literally had the exact same thought. I don't know what they're called.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: A Kumba Akumba someone.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: Yeah, that sounds roughly right.
You're so close that I can't remember what it is.
[00:29:05] Speaker A: I might have just dropped a racial slur on. I feel bad.
[00:29:08] Speaker B: It's a Koopa.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: A Koopa. Thank you.
Yeah. No, that.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: That's not his Goomba.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: A Goomba.
So now we know.
He's. He's a magnificent man with. With just interesting proportions, frankly.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: He's challenged.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: He's going to be our. Our Puna Ford. That's. He's shockingly stumpy.
And we knew this, but, like, every part of him is just humongous, but not vertical.
So, yeah, I. You know, if we get Alfred Collins peeling off into coverage, will it be fun and interesting when you're watching All 22? Yes. Will it be successful? Who's to say? I'm not a defensive core coordinator and after that Indianapolis game, I should probably not be a defensive coordinator because, well, boy, me and Robert Salah had the same game plan and it was.
[00:29:56] Speaker B: I mean, we all had the same thought. And they went, surely not. And the Colts went, we're going to do it. Yeah. And then it's. It sort of stopped working.
[00:30:02] Speaker A: And damned if they didn't for like a quarter and a half. What a time to be alive.
[00:30:06] Speaker B: They did it for.
[00:30:07] Speaker A: That was the end of D. Winters as well.
Okay, we will get into our top 50 on Thursday. Thursday for this draft. And this is just our big board. Top 50 has nothing to do with the Niners. It will be related to the Niners because we can't help ourselves.
Local over everything, but, like, it will just be. Here are the best 50 prospects. By the way. Caleb Downs is one for me. There's a little hint for you. Shocker of all shocks.
In the meantime, I just kind of wanted to go over. There's been a lot of coaching turnover. Right. This is coaching silly season.
And I just wanted to go over some of the moves that I really liked and a couple of the ones that I didn't like from like a whole league perspective.
I don't know. I. I can just run through all mine. Jake, you want to go back and forth. What do you want to do?
[00:30:54] Speaker B: You start running through some.
[00:30:55] Speaker A: I got.
[00:30:55] Speaker B: I only have like, you know, a handful down here. There's. There's some. I mean, all of them in the abstract, you're like, oh, interesting, right?
[00:31:02] Speaker A: No, obviously it's all work.
[00:31:05] Speaker B: But yeah, you. You start us off.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: I'll start with just everybody in Baltimore. I thought that they. Absolutely.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: Jesse Minter was.
[00:31:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that's one great hire. And Jesse Minter here with Anthony Weaver.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Come on.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a real.
I just like that after more almost two decades of having like a CEO head coach, they got somebody who's like, if you think Baltimore Ravens, you think defense, and especially with the way that Lamar has played, I would argue over the last two years, particularly last year.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Right.
[00:31:37] Speaker A: I just don't think that you can change the identity of your team to be offensive first in that division with that history and with that quarterback right now. And you hope that it swings around and he gets back to MVP caliber play. But he looking like he was here for a good time, not for a long time. You get Minter, who's one of the bright minds in all of defense. A guy who can bring in so much of what Mike McDonald brought in. This is effectively the AFC version of that hire.
I also love the Declan Doyle hire at oc. He was really, really good for the Bears last year.
[00:32:12] Speaker B: Great OC name. It's a perfect name.
[00:32:14] Speaker A: Doyle.
I'm a little bit surprised and maybe I missed this, that he didn't get at least some love in the early portion of the cycles for some head coaching stuff because he was the OC of the Bears and I know that Ben Johnson calls the plays, but like, why wouldn't you want. If you think about all the right hand. If Mike LaFleur is getting stuff, Michael Flor is bounced around and has proven that he's not that great at this.
Like Declan Doyle, hot, young name. Didn't get really any love as far as I could tell for head coaching opportunities. He's going to get O.C. and he's going to get full reign of that offense in Baltimore. That could be really fun and I'm interested to see what they do. But I think somebody who has familiarity in the building, somebody who is aggressive and progressive and clearly knows how to hire because Weaver and Doyle is about as good as you can do at OC and DC mentor to Baltimore. Just a plus all around.
[00:33:07] Speaker B: I'm right there with you.
1. In sort of a similar vein, I really like Christian Parker going To the Cowboys. He's been passing game coordinator, worked with the DBs of the Eagles for a lot. He's a guy I thought the 49ers should have on their radar.
Went pretty quickly. I like, I like that for the Cowboys. I think he's.
I mean Dallas is never going to really compete because of. As long as Jerry Jones is still doing Jerry, Jerry Jones things.
But it's, it's a good coach who I like and I think that'll help.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: I have three DC hires that I really like.
I think Denard Wilson did a good job in Tennessee. I think that's a good hire by John Harbaugh with the Giants. I think Denard Wilson's really good.
By the way, I, I also liked Nick Holes. I, I know that he is like public enemy number one with the Titans. I, I liked breaking down that Titans film going into what was it, week 15 last year. I, I thought that they were doing some interesting stuff and I thought that given the personnel at hand, he was maximizing it. I don't believe he's been hired. I don't know what's going down with Mick Lombardi right now. There's been wild speculation that he's going to North Carolina. You'd think that that would be done by now.
[00:34:21] Speaker B: That is.
Who's, who's the guy that, that left to go to Kentucky that used to be the 49ers past game coordinator.
[00:34:33] Speaker A: Oh, this past, like in this past cycle.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. Pat. Sorry. QB's coach. This was years ago. He worked with Jimmy a lot. Oh, Rich Skingerello?
[00:34:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:45] Speaker B: It's a very rich Scangarello path. It's very precarious.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: Well, his dad's there, so.
[00:34:52] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: And boy, things are going great. I. Listen, I don't know if that's happening or not. I've heard good things about what Mick did in the qbs room. It was obviously a very, you know, tight knit group.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: Certainly better than Rich.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Can't divide by zero.
I mean, I think our show's basic foundational principles is that he bad so. And it's being proven now he's coaching the quarterbacks of tomorrow for, for a private fee.
Okay. So I thought Denard Wilson did a good job. I'm interested to see what happens with Nick Holes. I. I think that.
I think it'd be a sin if he wasn't on somebody's staff at the NFL level. I think that'd be a good pickup. And maybe I just don't know something about him, but I I liked what I saw on tape. Jim Leonard to. To Buffalo is just like such, such an obvious easy win for Buffalo. I did. I wasn't the biggest fan of the Joe Brady hire for Buffalo because Buffalo's offense the past two years has been embarrassingly simple. Like, hey, let's run.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I always wonder, like, how much of. Of it is like, McDermott's keeping it simple. But you are the offensive coordinator. You should have free reign. So that's not inspiring. I did like that he's just out there wearing like a. Just a. Just a black T shirt and a gold chain. Yeah. The vibes are unmatched, you know, it's a great sign. No, it's. It's. We'll see.
[00:36:13] Speaker A: I'm gonna get swagged out.
I want my offensive coordinators to. I want to be able to smell the coffee breath through the screen with an offensive coordinator.
[00:36:21] Speaker B: I want them to be gaunt by the end of the season. And you haven't.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: I need one way or another, but you better pick a direct.
[00:36:28] Speaker B: There's no in between.
[00:36:30] Speaker A: Okay. And then this is when I think you're going to get a big kick out. I think Drew Petzing being higher than.
I think this is just an A plus higher. I. I know that again, he's coming from Arizona. You look at Arizona, you look at Kyler Murray and you look, Drew Petzing is a good coordinator. He runs good stuff.
[00:36:49] Speaker B: And I remember thinking, we both had the same thought, like, going into Arizona of like, well. And then I went, actually, I kind of like what they're running, but Kyler can't do anything right. And then they just were like, all right, well, the tank is on.
[00:37:00] Speaker A: Immediately they put up huge numbers with Brissette and it's like, oh, well, it's Jacoby Brissette. So there is a limit on what you can do. But they had really good wide receivers. Even if Marvin Harrison didn't develop into what he probably will end up being, obviously Trey McBride is fantastic. They got a lot out of that offensive line where there wasn't a lot to get.
They were. They had to figure it out at running back all the way through. But once Connor went down, sort of the identity of the offense went down. But like, I thought Petsing did an awesome job down the stretch with Brissette, like, what will he do with a Jared Goff and an Amon Ross St. Brown and Jameson Williams and a Jameer Gibbs? And you know, say what you will, I don't think that offensive line is as good as it gets, you know, it gets a lot of credit for being this great offensive line. I don't think it is anymore. I think Penny Sewell may be the most overrated player in football, but like, it's better than what Arizona had. I think Petsing is going to come out of this next year like a head coach candidate. I think that Detroit is off to the races with him as O.C.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: I like it. The other Arizona higher. I like Gannon to the Packers. I think.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that one too.
[00:38:03] Speaker B: Just a very, very solid.
You know, Micah Parsons is a weird guy, but you got some pieces there and I think he's going to maximize that defense.
[00:38:12] Speaker A: Well, by the way, you want a weird guy, here comes Jonathan Gannon.
[00:38:16] Speaker B: So it's weird in different ways.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: Yes, but maybe it'll work. I did see. I don't spend much if any time on the gram, but I did see because heaven forbid, I just see the stuff that I follow. I have to see all the other stuff that Instagram decides I need to see as well.
I saw some barber in Green Bay being like, hey, cut up Jonathan Gannon this morning. Thanks for the love. And even then you could just see the sort of half distance stare of a Jonathan Gannon as he gets his fade. And it's like very menacing.
I don't think it's menacing. I think it's something else. There's. There's a. There's a. I don't know if he's all the way with us. Let's just say he's probably thinking about scheme a lot.
Yeah, the obvious one. Jim Harbaugh did it again, baby. He gets Mike McDaniel as his OC and then the name that you're going to want to know now, we've mentioned him before on the show is Chris O' Leary, who they hired to be the D. D.C.
so and this is. This was the Mac tie in. Chris O' Leary was Western Michigan's defensive coordinator last year. And you might be like, wow, that's a big jump. Well, actually he was an NFL position coach. He was the safeties coach for the Chargers for a while. Working with Derwin James was really good. And this is something that the Harbaughs are big on, which is go be a coordinator somewhere, coordinate a defense. Like, I'm not going to promote you to an NFL job unless you can coordinate the defense. So they sort of. This is maybe again two inside soccer. But like it's like when a Premier League team has a young player and they loan them out for a Year or two.
So, like, Chelsea always just had, like a bunch of dudes at UDESA or whatever.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: There's just. There's certain teams in certain leagues that just take a ton of loaned players and the big team covers their, you know, their contract, but they play for the lower team.
That is what the Harbaughs have done in recent years with position coaches that they think have the potential to be not just coordinators, but then future head coaches. And this is something that happened with Minter.
Right. So he's in Baltimore. They say, I think this guy's got the potential. He goes and he's the DC For Jim at Michigan. And then he comes back into the fold and Jim hire brings him to. To the Chargers with him. Now he's a DC at the NFL level, and now Baltimore gets him as a head coach. This is the same thing they're doing with o'. Leary. I think that it's going to work wonderfully. I've heard nothing. I love it.
[00:40:50] Speaker B: And I think they have sort of a ruthless pragmatism about good coaches, and I think that is what makes them work. And again, Jim burns the candle pretty.
[00:41:00] Speaker A: Quickly, but he's a little too loyal at times, too. Like with Greg Roman, the Roman Candle, if you will.
[00:41:07] Speaker B: I agree. I agree. But did move on.
[00:41:10] Speaker A: Did move on at the end of the day. And that honestly. And you think about Jim's tenure in Michigan, like, they were about ready to run him out of town after about three years. And then he made some coaching changes. He changed his philosophy a little bit, and he built an absolute juggernaut that wins the national championship. So he wins. He wins. And it doesn't. It doesn't always come on the first go. When he has all that power, sometimes he uses it to bring in guys that he really likes to hang out with and watch the Rockford Files in a van with.
[00:41:38] Speaker B: But.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: But, you know, then, Then.
Then the party kind of ends and the honeymoon ends, and you have to actually make pragmatic decisions for the best of the football team. And he pulls them off.
Yeah, let me run through. I got five here I don't like. Okay.
David Blau, OC In Washington. This is. This is a harbinger hire. This is. Dan Quinn doesn't have a job this time next year unless it's a DC Somewhere, because this is just desperation. And I've heard that. The reason I've met David Blot, he's a very sharp guy. I could be wrong about him as I could be wrong about all the guys I like to, but like 30 years old, no coordination. Experience will be calling the offense.
And why is he brought in? He's brought in because, well, Jaden Daniels really likes him. I don't give a damn if Jayden Daniels likes him or not.
I don't care. You know how I saw the Oakland Raiders go from a playoff team. I can't believe it either. To absolutely nothing. And everyone getting fired in the course of like 18 months because, oh, well, Dave, you know, Derek Carr likes him.
Well, who was that guy? That was Todd Downing. And he's one of the worst coordinators I've ever seen in my life and brought us an all time linet going.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: To the Arizona Cardinals.
[00:42:57] Speaker A: And that's another one I have, I have. I think everything they did in Arizona is another death knell. I mean, this is, this is bad stuff. The Leflore hire is uninspired. It's just uninspired. It's, it's cheap and lazy and it's just.
He wasn't a good coordinator for the Jets. Like, he, this is strictly just, oh, maybe you learn something from McVeigh. And it's like, but he wasn't even number two on the depth chart for McVeigh. Like, he was, he was just around. He was just a guy.
And then bringing in Hackett as well, because our new head coach has never really called or hasn't called plays in a long time. Let's bring in a guy who has called plays but is famous, of course, for being an absolutely abysmal head coach. Just a comically bad one. So, yeah, the Arizona situation is they're down bad and everyone's getting canned at the end of the year. This is going to be one and done. It is. It's sad.
[00:43:51] Speaker B: I'm not a fan of what Arizona, what Arizona did at all. I, I wish the best for like Michael Florida, maybe figure it out and do something interesting over there, but I don't have any confidence. And anytime I see Nathaniel Hackett, it's a joke for a reason.
[00:44:03] Speaker A: So, yeah, okay. Two other ones I don't like. And again, one of these, it's just like, oh, boy. Just. We can just set our clock. I sent out. I remember when Doug Christie got hired by the Kings. I sent out a tweet and I'm like, this is good money for less than one year of work because this guy's definitely getting fired by March of 2026.
And we are close approaching the time where he's definitely getting fired.
So Frank Reich to be the OC of the jets is all time, all time bad.
Listen, I, I watch Frank Reich do whatever it is he did for Stanford this past year. Just, just retire, man. Just, just, just retire.
It's done. He's got no juice left.
It's over.
And he is not somebody who can make the most out of whatever it is they have going on on the offense for the Jets.
[00:45:00] Speaker B: Like, do you think the jets will win a game next year?
[00:45:03] Speaker A: We're in a legitimate. They might not win it. Yeah. Like, I think that if that is.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: The worst situation by miles and they're like, should we do Caleb Downs or it's like, you should burn the franchise.
[00:45:17] Speaker A: Yeah. What you should have done is fire.
[00:45:20] Speaker B: And let it go.
[00:45:21] Speaker A: When your absentee owner, when he wasn't too worried about those NFLPA report cards, which he obviously made his, his number one priority, when he actually paid attention to his fact, the fact that his team was dog crap, he's like, oh, you need to fire all your assistant coaches, Aaron Glenn, after one year. And then Aaron Glenn's like, okay, I could do that.
You should have just fired Aaron Glenn.
Like, if, if he in the course of a year had to fire like seven assistant coaches, why is he still in charge in the course of a year? If all those guys were so bad, why is it that he is good.
[00:45:56] Speaker B: And he's just so guaranteed to be fired next year? So pre fired without question. Also, I liked when Woody left and the jets started to actually build some competency because he had to hand the franchise off to his brother. And they're like, oh, things are actually not terrible. And he comes back and it's an immediate dumpster fire.
[00:46:12] Speaker A: The all time best owner is the one who doesn't need this. And in fact, like, Jody Allen is a great owner. And I'm not just saying that because the Seahawks won the super bowl, though it's a pretty easy argument right now. Like, Jody Allen's only job in owning the Seattle Seahawks was to sell them. It was literally, it's like, you need to maintain. You just hold on to this and then you have to sell this within five years. And she was like, no, I'm not going to do that.
I'm just going to, I'm just going to hang on and make some cool hires and like let football people do football stuff and we'll just see where that goes and then maybe we'll sell it. But like just a good steward of the business, not worried about like the franchise value or anything because again, she has to sell it. She has no choice. The NFL is kind of on her butt about it, apparently.
She was like, no, I'm not going to do it now. You know, just, we'll see this thing through. That's what you want from ownership? You want someone who doesn't need this.
[00:47:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Can I make a prediction on your final coach that's going to be on this list?
[00:47:12] Speaker A: I think you know exactly who it is.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: And it's really Mike McCarthy, right?
[00:47:15] Speaker A: No, it's not Mike McCarthy. That is an obvious one.
You'll love this.
Zach Robinson is the OC of Tampa Bay.
[00:47:24] Speaker B: I didn't see that. Yeah, it's a tough.
[00:47:26] Speaker A: So, Zach, first off, Zach Robinson was Atlanta's offensive coordinator.
There is a famous story. Were you. Were you present for it? I've heard this.
[00:47:36] Speaker B: I was present for when George Kittle basically told us that they refused to run gap scheme.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: And that's Right.
Like, he didn't know. How was kind of the gist that you got where in Atlanta? It's like, hey, we should run some gap stuff. And it's like, under no circumstances.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: Because they were running. The scout team was running it.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:47:54] Speaker B: And it was going super well. And they're like, hey, maybe we. Maybe we run some of this. And he went. I pretend I do not see it. I.
[00:48:01] Speaker A: So there was that. And then about halfway through the season, one of the worst kept rumors in college football was that Zach Robinson was going to take the Oklahoma State head coaching job. Now, it turns out that Oklahoma State had more buying power than they thought, and they were able to get North Texas's head coach, who then brought in the entire North Texas roster. And Jake knows that was a pretty good pickup. They didn't think they could get him. They thought that guy was going to Arkansas. Arkansas was like, what if we crap our pants in every meeting?
So this guy's that available to him. Forgive me, I forget his name.
And so Zach Robinson was, like, out of a job because Raheem got fired.
And frankly, Raheem got fired because Zach Robinson was terrible at his job.
And then he doesn't get this Oklahoma State job, which he was overtly telling people, like, oh, yeah, it's in the back because he's an Oklahoma State alum and they love him there and this and that. It's like he thought it was in the bag. So he's out of the cycle in kind of the. The pre stuff. Then everyone kind of has to bring him back into the fold for this stuff. And it's like, oh, you didn't do a very good job. And Then Tampa, who I waited way too long to figure out if they were keeping bulls or not. They fired the Lizard Wizard.
What's his name?
[00:49:23] Speaker B: I can't remember his name.
[00:49:24] Speaker A: Grizzle or something. They fired him.
[00:49:26] Speaker B: Oh, Josh Grizzard. Josh.
[00:49:28] Speaker A: And. And the. The Wizard Lizard.
Shout out if you know Sub Pop.
It's. They. They canned him, which I can't really explain.
And then they bring in Zach Robinson, who is going to get everybody canned. So there you go.
Don't like anything about what Arizona did. Frank Wright to the jets is just a recession indicator.
Zach Robinson to Tampa is going to get everybody canned. And David Blauta Washington is going to get everybody can. Those are the ones I don't like.
[00:50:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with all those.
[00:50:02] Speaker A: You have any of them on top of that?
[00:50:05] Speaker B: I think that's a pretty comprehensive list. I realized that for most of this episode, my mic was about 5ft away from my face. So I do apologize for that.
We're, you know, we're working through it over here. I cannot wait to not be watching this dog.
[00:50:22] Speaker A: Okay, let. Let's talk about this to start.
So I made the mistake of going on a different show and. Do you even know this? Were you even in the loop for this nonsense, Jake?
[00:50:34] Speaker B: I have no idea.
[00:50:35] Speaker A: Okay, great. So I go on Rob Stats Guerrero show and.
[00:50:41] Speaker B: Oh, I did see. I did see. You got aggregated. That was interesting. What? Let's, let's.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm getting aggregated like once a week now. It's great.
So here's the deal. Here is the clear. The clearest thing that I can tell you, which I said, of course, on this show, not on this show, on Rob show. But apparently that context was missed. So let me just do the dumb thing and try to say the same thing again.
There is a former 49ers front office executive who it has been discussed trying to bring back into the fold and how that would look because it would not be as simple as just bring him back into the fold.
[00:51:24] Speaker B: I can guess.
[00:51:25] Speaker A: It's not hard to guess.
And it's like, first off, actually, apparently it is hard to guess because I got like 400 dms of like, oh, is it.
[00:51:35] Speaker B: Is it Trent Balky?
[00:51:37] Speaker A: No, it's. If you can't figure it out, don't watch the show. Like former 49ers executive who the Niners have had a conversation and this is totally just a conversation. Not something that's happening as far as I know. It's just the fact is that outside the building, there are two people that I talk to who are like, oh, yeah, they're. You know, I heard they're talking about this.
So I flippantly mentioned it, um, and apparently got aggregated. And I guess Grant can't get off of it. Which, you know, by the way, we're just going to have a quick aside. I like Grant a lot as a person. I don't know what he does over on his channel. That's his business, not mine.
Grant has my phone number. He has a. He has a direct line to DM me on Twitter.
If he wanted to know who it was, I would have told him.
You can reach out. I mean, it's not that hard. I've basically given the plot away. And again, the plot is strictly the Niners being like, oh, this guy's available. We like him. How would we bring him back in? Because clearly we can't just bring him back in at the old job, right? Like, or a spot or we have to create a job. And then what would that look? Oh, well, you know, we really like him, and maybe we can. Maybe down the line, this would turn into something. And it's just kind of.
[00:52:51] Speaker B: It sounds a lot like how their old special teams coordinator talked about the kickoffs where it was a lot of.
[00:52:57] Speaker A: This fugazi and a woozy and a smoothie.
So, yeah, the fact that that got aggregated is somewhat hilarious and a lesson to me. Again, I keep about 99% of what I know under wraps because y' all can't be trusted with complex information that's constantly in flux. And, yeah, I should. I should have kept it at 99 and not 98. That's where. That's where it was. But, you know, good for Rob. I guess he got some looks out of it.
That's not what we do here. No, sir.
Like the idea. The reason that it's getting a lot of run is because there is this outlandish notion of projectability and this. We talk about. You and I talk about this all the time, Jake. Where 49ers like media. Let's just call it media, because I don't like calling anything a content creator.
Someone has an idea, and then that idea is effectively aggregated with a bunch of other. Let's all. We'll also talk about this. It says if there's 500 sports talk radio stations in one market and, oh, we'll also talk about this. And then that idea then becomes like, something that's actually happening, even though it was just an idea right at the beginning. But by speaking it so often it gives it veracity.
And I knew that, but I just didn't. On a Friday. I just didn't think through that. There's a bunch of Niners media that is hell bent on this idea of John lynch just being a figurehead again and them hiring a real gm.
And so the idea of bringing somebody who, who may or may not have recently been a GM in the NFL back into the fold, and them being interested in bringing him back into the fold, because why wouldn't you, if you could, the idea of that idea would. Would take on more than it is because it validates this thing that is not real. It's.
It validates their concept. And when you're constantly throwing shit against the wall when you hit a target at some point or you think you came close to hitting a target, it probably feels great.
Meanwhile, I'm having to sit here and be like, jesus Christ, this is why I don't tell you all shit.
That's where I met. So that's all I'm going to say about it. If you can't figure out who it is and the level of seriousness to such a conversation, as far as I know, it can't help you.
[00:55:32] Speaker B: I personally have enjoyed this. I was away, I had no idea. I saw one little notification. I went, that's strange.
And, you know, it seemed like it went immediately. Never even got on the rails.
[00:55:46] Speaker A: No, it was off the rails from the jump. Because again, it's just, it's. It's veracity to sup. I mean, if you were just blindly shooting and you hit something, wouldn't that feel pretty cool?
[00:56:00] Speaker B: It would.
[00:56:01] Speaker A: That's where it is.
[00:56:02] Speaker B: That is to be clear, a lot of people's approach in the media game is just keep saying stuff and eventually it's going to be true. And then you get to go, oh, well, I got that right. Remember that.
[00:56:14] Speaker A: I just, I just don't play that game. And again, this is why, of what I hear, you get 1% of it at most and Jake gets more. But, like, in general, y' all get 1% of it. Because the whole point is to be right.
The whole point is to not throw out stuff for the sake of conversation. The whole point is to be correct. And there's plenty of stuff that we can be ambiguous and just throw out there, like which coaching hires did you like or not like? But I found the whole thing to be reprehensible, frankly.
[00:56:50] Speaker B: And it's my, yeah, well, you made it out. He made it out.
[00:56:55] Speaker A: And I mean, it was just.
I just, I Just hope they hire him now just to like get this over with.
I won't take a victory lap because again, I don't think they're going to hire him. I just think they had a conversation about what it would take to get him back and if that would require some juggling of titles and responsibilities.
But again, all of this was explained in the moment and you could have watched that, but heaven forbid we don't. Anyway, let's just take a two minute Coach Yak video.
You all need to find Jesus.
[00:57:32] Speaker B: Okay with that? We'll be back on Thursday.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: Well, do you want to. Let's answer some questions.
[00:57:37] Speaker B: Are there questions? I didn't, I didn't see many questions.
[00:57:39] Speaker A: There's a couple. First off, let's shout out Porterhouse11 for becoming a new member and his dog's dick, which is on the screen. Thank you, Porterhouse.
Yes, yes. Flaunting it that you know, that's a handsome boy, well endowed. Okay, this is a great question from Wood Gravy, who always asks questions.
Do we think the Rams use one of their first on a quarterback? My answer pretty clearly is no because there's one first round quarterback.
[00:58:07] Speaker B: So yeah, I think, I think it's would be interesting if they tried to parlay that into assets for next year when there's a certain quarterback.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: You guys all ready to aggregate? You ready?
[00:58:22] Speaker B: There's a familiar name.
[00:58:24] Speaker A: Yes, you get ready to aggregate. Come here.
You ready to aggregate?
I have already heard that the Rams are trying to move the first round pick that they have this year to get into next year's draft because why wouldn't you? It's such an obvious thing to do.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: But also, regardless of quarterback, next year's draft is just rips.
[00:58:45] Speaker A: But if you want the quarterback doing it for next year. Now I have very little faith that anyone would be dumb enough. Well, may the jets exist. I don't know.
[00:58:56] Speaker B: There are some dumb people. There are some dumb front offices out there.
[00:58:59] Speaker A: I mean, what did we just get done talking about? So it's.
I think the Rams are viewing that pick as something that they could move to next year and kick that can a little bit because.
[00:59:15] Speaker B: And they should.
[00:59:16] Speaker A: You could also get two corners in this draft and then just be absolutely flipping loaded at that position. Just kind of their one weakness.
[00:59:23] Speaker B: Yeah, but it also gets pretty pricey. You know, it's like with two, two first rounders on the same timeline, there's.
[00:59:29] Speaker A: Actually an element of that, yeah, well win the super bowl and it's not that big of a deal. But yeah, as we see with Seattle, with Witherspoon and Jackson, Smith and Jigba, it's like, oh, yikes, that's like $45 million right there.
Like their fifth year options are like both of those guys are two time pro bowlers. Like it's not, it's not cheap. You should figure it out now.
[00:59:55] Speaker B: Alberto, anyone here for Joku and free agency?
[01:00:00] Speaker A: I think everyone's in on the concept. I just don't think it's reality.
[01:00:04] Speaker B: I just agree.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: I think that there are so many better ways to allocate funds and if you're going to go in on injoku to that level, which we're talking 10, 11, 12 million a year and that might be conservative.
If you're doing that, you're, you're punting a couple of positions to draft only.
And maybe the Niners are thinking that to begin with, right, they can't give, they can't spread the money around enough to cover up all their holes. But they should definitely be more judicious in, in spending it because again, I.
[01:00:40] Speaker B: Agree, I think they go the mid level route. I think Charlie Kohler makes a ton of sense, especially when you're like, this is a guy who hasn't proven it statistically. And there will be other suitors that probably go higher for likely who also isn't a terrible option. But like there's guys who are on a better timeline who cost less when you're still probably gonna, they're probably gonna bet on Kittle playing some sort of significant role for them. And you know Kittle's gonna try and get back at least 20, who knows what he is.
[01:01:09] Speaker A: But yeah, they're pot committed there. They can't do anything to get off Kittle. So Kittle's gonna be their highest paid tight end unless they want to literally punt and release Kittle, which they're not going to do.
So I just, I think that you have to think 6, $7 million at the most at tight end, you have to allocate. I mean, the other thing too is what are you going to do at left guard? Because if you take that all the way to the draft, the draft might not work out for you.
So, okay, you can sign some cheap guys in free agency so you have them in the bag and then put all of your eggs in the draft basket. But again, sometimes a draft breaks out and now you're having to trade up and move assets to move to get a guy that now you're overdrafting them, which is something they don't like to do at offensive line.
You know, you think, oh well we should be okay here. But what if you're not?
So if we also, we also just look at that guard class, there's a free agents, there's enough to where you can make the argument of a short term deal, but it might cost you a pretty penny.
[01:02:10] Speaker B: It's interesting they're all older. Like it's like you got like Petonio, Wyatt, Teller, say Malo, Daniels, like even Neil's sort of an interesting option. I don't know if that's the right fit like Elijah, Vera, Tucker, but it is like a pretty robust guard class and I, I'm curious to see like they've avoided older players whether that holds true for a position where the top of the class is still pretty strong despite being older.
[01:02:37] Speaker A: So then you know, you also have to figure out what you're doing at linebacker. You need to go and get a couple of defensive linemen. You need wide receivers. That's probably a spot where you want to spend some premium money because you just got off of premium money at the position.
It's just very difficult to allocate to high end tight end salaries even if you're only going to get one of them to play for you this upcoming year in any earnestness. It's very difficult to do that at tight end when you have so many deficiencies elsewhere. So I just don't see it in the cards and you know, maybe take a little bit of that scratch that you're saving by not getting in Joku and go out and get the best tight ends coach known to man. By the way, I do have a name on that one and I had it and I've already lost it. Did I give you the name Cameron Clemens?
Yeah. He was formerly the tight ends coach of the Raiders comes over, he's an assistant offensive line coach in house and given that they have sucked at blocking at tight end save for one man 85 who won't be playing, maybe having someone with a bit more of an offensive line tilt as opposed to a wide receiver. Tilts is the play.
[01:03:41] Speaker B: Why not last one? Last one we got from cow Shiptoe.
Ignoring the conversation of if they should trade Mac. I'm not sold on him fetching a comp. Third, given next year's draft, why would Mac fetch 30 million when there will be options?
[01:04:00] Speaker A: That's fair. It's a fair thought. So the idea is first off he will he get a third round pick because will he get the kind of contract from somebody to do it. I'll just tell you. Justin Fields made 22 million this past year, if I remember correctly. So Mac Jones, if he signs a two year deal, that's a $40 million contract at the minimum with whatever team gets him. Yes, there will be teams that will be thinking draft, draft, draft at quarterback when the carousel starts to spin next year. That doesn't exclude them from also giving Mac Jones two years worth of nice money to maybe start to begin with and let the young guy ease in and then, you know, the transition's happening.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: The question would be, you know, you could make an argument that the 49ers should actually say, hey, give us a late round pick this year and then we'll take a third from you next year and we can, you know, and do like a little swap there. Say, hey, take a fifth and give us next year's third and maybe we'll exchange you our fifth for next year, something like that.
[01:05:03] Speaker A: So you're doing a fifth round pick swap.
[01:05:05] Speaker B: I know, I'm just, I'm just trying to get it out.
[01:05:07] Speaker A: Don't have a backup quarterback. I mean, it's just pretty simple. It has to be a top 50 pick. No one's gonna.
[01:05:11] Speaker B: I agree, I agree.
[01:05:12] Speaker A: No one's gonna give it to him. So I, I think Mac is on this team. I know that it is, again, one of these things where it's talked about so much that there's then this veracity that he will be traded even though there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he'll be traded.
As we're now, you know, coaching staffs are pretty much set in stone.
Big boards are being put together. Free agency, big boards are almost done around the NFL for what it's worth, and you haven't heard a goddamn peep about anybody being super duper interested in Mac Jones.
It's not to say it can't happen, but you'd have to be like overt at this point if you were going to give up a top 50 pick to get Mac Jones, I think it would have leaked out by now that you were really targeting him. And whatever couched language you want, we'll see. Give it another two weeks. If I don't hear anything, I'm presuming he's on this roster come the end of March.
[01:06:08] Speaker B: I think that's a fair assumption. I still think it could happen.
We'll find out.
[01:06:13] Speaker A: Top 50 is rich.
[01:06:14] Speaker B: And speaking of top 50.
[01:06:16] Speaker A: Hey now, hey now, that's a good tease. We'll have a top 50 for you. On Thursday. Jake's going to have his. I'm going to have mine. We'll see where we differ. Probably at the bottom.
[01:06:24] Speaker B: And this is pre combine. Combine starts at the end of this week. Get it out. Pre combine. It's going to look awfully stupid in a couple of weeks. And that's a little, little buff.
[01:06:31] Speaker A: Boys, baby. We love. We love watching the men in spandex run and throw and jump. It's just our favorite thing to do. It's not weird at all. Find a new slant.
I think. I think the film Top 50 is going to stand up a hell of a lot better than the knee jerk reactions to a bunch of dudes doing combine stuff.
[01:06:48] Speaker B: I hope so.
[01:06:49] Speaker A: We'll find out. We'll find out. And you'll get to find out on Thursday. We'll talk to you then. Adios.
