Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: Hutch. It is nigh. The time is nigh for talking about anything other than the NFL draft, but loosely talking about the NFL draft. John lynch had a press conference yesterday. We want to react to it because there were some interesting tidbits in there. But we start with obviously the big news from yesterday, which is they did exactly what we said they'd do in signing trouble, like to a T, Jake. The exact. It wasn't complicated.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: The only thing I got slightly wrong is that I thought they'd maybe add like a third year that where there was a little bit guarantee, but it effectually it functions the same way because they're going to have like a dead cap hit with a void year for, for year three. So it's two years 50 million, which I think is a pretty, pretty sweet number for them. I thought it was going to be closer to 30, but yeah, you just guarantee two full years and then maybe check up in year three and say, all right, do we want to add one more year? Have we forgotten to draft an offensive tackle?
[00:01:08] Speaker B: Oh, damn. I knew we forgot something probably.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: I like when they asked John about that and he's like, oh, yeah, sure.
[00:01:15] Speaker B: I mean, I do maintain the stance. Like, you don't just replace Trent Williams. No, you, you can have somebody wait
[00:01:21] Speaker A: until the wheels fall off and then you address the problem.
[00:01:24] Speaker B: Right?
Yeah. You don't just go, you know, I have a, I have a used car. Well, not. It's super used. It's almost 20 years old. It's like, until I have to abandon it on the side of the road, I'm not buying another one. It has no trade in value. Like, this is, this is the situation. It's worth a lot more to me than it is to anybody else. And again, you're not going to get that car again. You're not going to get another Trent Williams. There's no, like, oh, well, we could go this direction, in that direction. And that will replace Trent Williams even in a diminished state, which by the way, I think a bit exaggerated his diminished state. He's injured more. But maybe this is a Steph Curry like situation where it's like he's not there all the time, but when he's there, boy, is he there. So Williams, fantastic. By the way, OTC doesn't have it up yet, which makes me very sad because I had to use spot track for.
[00:02:12] Speaker A: I know, I know, it's very annoying. But this is like, I mean, this is always how this is going to go. He was always going to stay. Yeah, there was There was no world in which the value of trading him made any sense.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: No.
Unless you're going for number 10 overall.
[00:02:30] Speaker A: Not even. Not even. I, I mean to them like, it's like the value of a left tackle that's locked up versus the, the mystery box are saying, all right, Viderian Lao,
[00:02:41] Speaker B: well, they feel good about Fedarian Lau and they should. Viderian Laos, a good swing tackle. He's fine.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: He's a solid swing tackle.
[00:02:49] Speaker B: And this maybe is the larger point. Like they're, they could go into this draft. They shouldn't do this, but they could go into this draft and just pass on every pick and still have a playoff caliber roster. It's not to say they will, it's just that they could which is the exact opposite of where they were last year. Last year they were like, if we don't get six players, we are seven starters day one like Robert Salah is going to have to start himself at will if we don't do something. And that's by the way. And this is how you end up in situations where you, you, you play scared and you draft Nick Martin 75th overall. Because, man, like we, we didn't get a weak side linebacker. Like who, who's left? I don't know. We got to get one now. We can't wait.
That that's the exact opposite of where they're at now. And it's not to say that I fully agree with the idea that they don't have needs, but maybe need is too strong of a term. They have. Once they have places where they could augment they could go in a lot of different directions. Like they're not, they're not the deepest roster. They're pretty shallow roster. I have in fact moved and changed the bed store. Sorry. Are not here. Sorry. Context. And by the way because this is a shorter stream. I just didn't members only it because I'm dumb. But that's okay. I don't think Dieter moved or changed clothes from last night. I have changed clothes. I assure you I'm not, I'm not going to lie and say that I showered. I have not.
This is what happens when you have two children that are young and annoying. So the Niners are in a.
The Niners are in a good spot to where they can do the, they can do the thing that they have been that people around the league have been telling me that they've expected from the Niners and what John lynch just openly admitted to yesterday, which is, yeah, we'll see what happens. Yeah, we'll just. It'll come to us. We got 27. Like, why are we making plans?
[00:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's. It's something where it's best player available always sounds great in theory. And then you get there and it's like, all right, well, we could take a guy who's at a non premium position. There's no sound. What do we mean?
[00:05:01] Speaker B: I just. I mean, that's.
[00:05:03] Speaker A: That's not true. That's got to be on his end.
If there's no sound, someone else tell us.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Anyone else, please let us know if there's no sound. By the way, best podcast yet.
[00:05:15] Speaker A: But I think they're in a position where best player available could actually work.
It's.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: There's totally. There's total sound is happening.
[00:05:24] Speaker A: Yeah, Best player available could work. Thank you, Milo.
This is derailed in the entire thing.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: This is why we don't open it up. Damn it.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: I know, I know, we're not good
[00:05:36] Speaker B: enough at this, but, like, put off the comments section. We're going to restart the podcast. Not literally, just metaphorically. All right, Someone in the comments say, podcast starts at 5:45 go.
And John lynch, he's feeling good. He's feeling good about where they're at. Jake. How about that?
[00:05:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think it's something where he's like, sure, we could theoretically trade up if, like, one of those premium guys falls. Theoretically. And then he goes, but look at how many picks we have. We're trading back, baby, if it's there.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: But I don't. Everyone's trying to read the tea leaves. There's no tea leaves. Like, they know.
[00:06:11] Speaker A: It's just pretty clear what situation they're in.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: Correct. They are going to do the exact same thing they did last year early with pick 11, where it's like, we have three or four guys that we'd like. So in the case of the 49ers, last year, they're like, we want Tetaro and McMillan. We'll like make a call, see if we can get them for move up to nine or whatever. Like, I think they were ready to move to nine last year, but he was gone at eight. So they're like, guess that didn't work out because Carolina wasn't picking up the phone, letting him have him. So they're like, okay, we don't get McMillan. We tried. Good effort, nothing crazy. So we'll take either Walter Nolan or Mikel, who's ever there. And then Mikel was there, and they're like, oh, hell yeah. This is awesome. Like, this guy's sick. So they took him with a quickness. I think there were seconds between them coming up on the clock and then making the pick.
They just were prepared. It's the same way that Ed. Anyone would logically do this, which is you're not putting a premium on a certain player or anything like that. Now, again, as you noted, if you have someone really, really high on your board, like top 10, if John lynch says, like, this is a true blue chip and you're sitting there at 27 and he's hanging around at like 20, 21, 22, you get on the phone and you see if a reasonable deal can be made, you go and get your guy because it's like, well, we didn't think we'd have this chance. You got to take advantage, strike while the iron's hot. But otherwise they're going to have three or four or five or 10 guys that they're comfortable taking at 27. And by the way, it might be closer to 10 than two because it's such a morass of mediocrity, which is what he said.
[00:07:48] Speaker A: Like, he's like, there's like 10 guys and then there. It's all the same. So.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm just.
[00:07:54] Speaker A: Listen, I disagree. I think it's actually two tiers. I think there's like the elite echelon and then there's a big group going into like the, the second round and then there's a steep third round nightmare situation that takes place.
[00:08:09] Speaker B: Yes, I, I'll get. Okay, I'll give you that. I do think that maybe it's a little. I think that there is a. You can see a flattening between like the bottom of the third and let's say like pick 20. So maybe that's the tier.
It doesn't really matter, like the drop off from what we had as our top, like six, seven to then the rest of the first round is significant right to the point where in the end of the first round, like, I think that if we were to just say, you know, blue chips, gold stars, whatever you want to call them, top of the top, cream of the top.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:08:45] Speaker B: I think we had six or seven of them.
If we wanted to get fancy. You could have gone eight or nine. And then there's like 35 players in the next tier.
[00:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I have to go any 5ish first rounders, but like, some of those are first, second guys. Right. Like, right, right. But guys, you could, in this, in this year, you could draft in round One and you'd feel okay.
[00:09:08] Speaker B: And then after that, there's just a bunch of guys who are clearly day two. And there's a bunch of guys where
[00:09:14] Speaker A: you're like, this guy could go 33 and. And I have him graded as 145. And I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: But we're.
You and I are on the same path. Like, by the end of day two, you're like, oh, this shit is kind of over. Like, this draft is kind of done and I'm going to maintain the Harold Perkins line. The second he goes, chaos.
Now it just becomes fancy undrafted free agency and we're going to have like three or four dudes.
[00:09:46] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: That were like, I have no idea who that person is.
And like, ESPN Truck is going to be like, what do you mean?
[00:09:53] Speaker A: And it's going to happen by round three. It's going to happen by round three, is my prediction.
[00:09:57] Speaker B: You moved it up around. I think you had his fourth last time, but you have it as four.
[00:10:01] Speaker A: I think by. I think.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: I think we're going to have the most. Day three, day three. So, like, if you were to talk to a.
Just a normal person who's a football fan, but, like, doesn't look up stuff on the draft, just reads the newspaper reads. ESPN.com has no idea what pro football talk is. If you were to just talk to that person, what they would imagine is round three, which is just a bunch of random names while, like, an orangutan makes the pick. Like, that is what is truly happening this year. Like, we know all these guys to, you know, certain degree, 99% of these guys and even you and I are going to be like, what is happening here? Did they just take a backup quarter?
[00:10:45] Speaker A: More excited by the day because it's going to be a mess and there's going to be moments in this draft where you're going to go, that GM is fired by the end of this year.
That GM will lose his job.
[00:10:59] Speaker B: That or he knows so much more than us. And frankly, every year we go along this, I find out firsthand more and more. No, they don't.
That was also the encouraging part of Lynch's presser. Like, our job is to cover the 49ers winners. And I do think that we take a pretty holistic viewpoint of it. We're not. We don't care if they win or lose. It's better for business if they win, though. If they lose, we're pretty good at that, too. In breaking it down, what it means all these Things we are also supposed to, without having direct lines to either Kyle or John, understand their thinking and see things the way that they see it. Right. And boy, John was out here just validating everything that you and I have been saying for the last two and a half months now. They might have different. They will have differentiations on players compared to us. All that stuff, some stuff that we know is in lockstep. But the fact that he's like, oh yeah, after the blue chips, it's just every man for himself. We're like, that's what he's saying.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: I think he's looking at it in a way that I kind of get where there's a sense of there's going to be opportunity to like, maybe swing a sweet deal, because who cares if you drop, like, and that's not necessarily what's going to happen. But I think there's an excitement over, like, this could go a lot of different ways. And that's an enticing proposition. Especially like, this is probably both really stressful and one of the most fun events of the year. If you're a gm, it's got to be the most exciting opportunity, especially if you're John, where you're not really worried about job security. You don't have to like make a statement. You just take advantage of like the really angsty GMs. Not that they always do that, but like, there should theoretically be some opportunity.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: It just what I wrote my column for this morning was there is a. There is a competitive advantage to being the only room that doesn't have ever growing pit stains.
Like, they just don't have to stress about this at all. There are best case scenarios, but the worst case scenario for the Niners, which is they just pick everywhere they want to pick, they take the best player that's available to them in that spot is fine because the draft is over by 145. It's over. And at that point it's just again, glorified undrafted free agency. There will be fourth rounders who get cut this year from training camp where it's like, we can't, we can't do this. They're gonna lot to a bunch of guys around the league.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Yeah, that's where I was going with it. So it's like, no, he's still on the team. He just won't play this year or next.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: Again, the best case scenario is the Niners move down from 27 into the early second and then move up from 58 and give themselves two picks kind of right in the wheelhouse of this draft, which is like 35 to 50, like, that's where you're getting the best value. But you can also just hope that something happens for you at 58 to where a couple of those guys fall, or eight of them, I guess, fall. And like, you know, if you need to get a little risque at 27, you need to get a little aggressive and take some guy that maybe everyone thinks is a second round pick, like, do it. Who gives a damn? Like, it's not that kind of draft. There's just no stress in this thing. And we'll see. Again, I think we're going to have
[00:14:12] Speaker A: some departure from last year where it felt like they needed to nail it and they. They somehow pulled this season out of the rear end. And because of the injuries, there is a level of like, well, this is all impossible anyway. So the fact that they're doing this and they just had the greatest. Shanahan had the greatest coaching season, I think, of his career with the Niners thus far.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:34] Speaker A: Which is, by the way, that award is so silly. Not that he.
[00:14:38] Speaker B: The Kevin Stefanski Memorial Award.
[00:14:41] Speaker A: That's right. That's great. Like, I mean, there's a lot of. There are a lot of good candidates for it, but realistically, like, I mean, that was an insane coaching performance.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: You see Mike Vrabel's press conference today?
[00:14:52] Speaker A: I saw that it happened. I have been scared to open it.
[00:14:56] Speaker B: Speaking of coach of the year, you know, he had some hard conversations with people that matter to him.
I think we quickly note. I'm not sure if we talked about it or not. I don't want to get into it too much because it's not our business. Frankly, it does seem like it's now everybody's business, but, like, if y' all didn't do it, should have been pretty easy. Pretty easy to prove it. Just here's the numbers of the people we were with. Also, you weren't even at the same resort. You went to a different resort, man. Come on. Come on. It's not good.
[00:15:23] Speaker A: It was like, yeah, we were there with friends and then there's no photos. Friends.
[00:15:26] Speaker B: Anyway, it's a Nathan Fielder tweet. Just hanging out with my friends, having the time of my life.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: They're off camera.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: Yeah. No, no. They were also in the hot tub.
It's like my three year old, she got all of her friends and they're just imaginary people.
So it's. It's. Yeah.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: Not.
[00:15:46] Speaker B: Not one. Also, you know, just great vibes for the start of The Patriots, the AFC champions. It's like, yeah, I had to talk to our team about, you know, not being a distraction.
Couldn't be me. Couldn't be me. I don't leave my, my room. So how could I ever get in such trouble?
There was the great Cam Inman. Mercury News did ask John a question about the robots and AI and how it's helping and I wanted to know if he's ever typed sort by leadership skills into the AI machine. But I had to pick up the three year old halfway down to Santa Clara to go to the presser and it's like, she's coughing, you got to get her. And I'm like, what are you going to do? Fight? So I had, I literally u turned on 880 to go back.
But otherwise I would have made the sort by leadership skills joke in the moment and it would have killed, I guarantee it. Regardless.
AI. What, what do you think about machines?
[00:16:41] Speaker A: I guess, Yeah, I guess so.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: Behind, Jake. You're behind.
[00:16:45] Speaker A: It's, it's pretty funny. I'm like, how many startup guys have you been talking to, John? Because that language is almost exactly what they're selling you on.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Pun intended.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: Well, well done.
[00:16:58] Speaker B: Sort of five coded world.
[00:16:59] Speaker A: I think if you aren't using it, you're already behind. I love the one example he used was like for trip planning, he's like, you know, you guys, how you get a trip and then you put the trip in and then the AI, it gives you a schedule.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: It gives you some pretty good stuff, pretty good ideas. Which is the most middle aged man using chat GPT answer of all time. I will say this, we've talked about this before on the show.
I know that the Rams are doing this. I presume the Niners are doing this as well.
Video like recognition of stuff is kind of a cool frontier for AI, which is such a catch all term. It's really just video recognition and having just software.
It's just software. And something that we talked about I think a couple months ago is I know that the Rams are doing. The Rams really have cool database stuff that they've built out and the Niners I know are trying to chase down doing the exact same thing.
Rams are very upfront and tell everyone how cool they are about it. And it is, it's pretty cool. But stuff like understanding the frame rate of the video that you have so you don't need the GPS data. You can effectively create like force numbers and miles per hour and stuff just based on the video. Like you could have always done that stuff, but now you can just do it a lot easier.
So that's a way they're using it. But really, it's just like, what's your database? And now it's super searchable. It's just super easy with a large, you know, localized large language model to just be like, sort by leadership.
You know, show me all the linebackers that are, you know, that.
[00:18:39] Speaker A: By guys who have the powerhouse.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah, sort by gold star helmets and. Yeah, basically. Basically, you can just see, like, who's the most Fred Warnery of all of these guys, and it will give you, in effect, an answer.
[00:18:53] Speaker A: Your LMS or Adam.
[00:18:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Maybe it's more probably Sunny Stiles.
And then, you know, they finally show John a. A mock. A mock draft application. He's like, it's pretty fun. You just go on the computer and you press it. It was very.
[00:19:08] Speaker A: It's not even the one that they use. They just. They just went.
They clicked mock drafts and showed him one. He's like, oh, my God, this is incredible.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: What do you mean? Yeah, it was all very 95 computer in the family room coded like, oh, and then I can search Excite.com and
[00:19:24] Speaker A: see all the cool things like that video of Ballmer on stage just pumping people up.
[00:19:29] Speaker B: Developers, developers, developers. Yeah, the Niners do have a very large R&D department.
A lot of that stuff. They. From what my understanding is, they do have really interesting analytics and information, and it's analyzed in a bespoke way.
They have a lot of stuff that I think a lot of other people have, and they just think it's really, really cool and no one's willing to tell anybody that. It's pretty basic stuff. It's not to say they're behind it all. It's just to say the. Like, it's all about the information that you ingest into the system and then just making it more easily sortable. So I don't think that there's any.
Anything new or interesting. Like, if they draft someone crazy, don't blame the AI. Like.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: Right. Yeah, I think it's. I think it's. And I will say he did say it's about the same number of draftable guys, which is funny because I was like, it's going to be less than 170. And then I put it together and I was like, around 200. But at the same time, it's like, the last 50 to 100 guys, I'm like, are all, whatever.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. There's a difference between. He's draftable and you want them like,
[00:20:38] Speaker A: draftables in, like, they have an NFL role or purpose. Day one.
I kind. I kind of get it and I kind of landed there myself. But I don't feel good about it. Where I'm like, if any of the. The last 50 guys I have on my board don't go drafted, okay, that does. That wouldn't shock me in the slightest. There's going to be a lot of. I. I know I keep repeating myself that it's going to be weird, but there's just. You're gonna see. I think it's a good draft to reflect Floyd philosophy. I think a lot of teams that it's like, how they go into it, determining what need they have, what style of player they like, because it's a lot of, like, you can find the type of player you want, they just might not be good.
They're in the mold you like or the mold you need. Yeah, very specifically, very clearly.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: It's just, Are they an elite level talent? Very much not so.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: Right, right. And vice versa. You're going to find out who really believes in players over plays based on how they go about it. Because you're going to have to make those determinations earlier than you've ever had to. It's different when you're doing that in the sixth, seventh, fifth round and you're like, ah, you know, let's take a shot. What's it matter when you're in the third round and you're like, do I take the guy who fits my scheme but might suck, or do I take the guy who's a really cool player but might not fit my scheme? When you're having that conversation at pick 80, like, we got an issue. But listen, this is the draft class. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad. This is the only one you're getting.
Another note. You know, a lot of people have been saying, like, I think he could get crazy with the trades.
I'm going to take everyone at their word for that. Right. They do know more than me.
At the same time, I have a little bit of skepticism about that. On the basis of who wants to trade up everyone.
[00:22:29] Speaker A: No one wants to touch a single pick in 2027.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: So, like.
[00:22:34] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:35] Speaker A: I think. I think you look at teams with new GMs who want to prove a point. Like, so, for example, Jags. I'm gonna have my mock draft out later today, depending if we finish this in time. Okay, well, we got time. We're chilling.
[00:22:50] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: But like, the Dolphins Dolphins have an abundance of like third round picks and I think they got two first, Right?
[00:22:57] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: So like they should probably get weird. Like they need a lot of players. They need to rebuild.
[00:23:04] Speaker B: But. But he comes from the Green Bay system. Like that's just best player available. Don't get crazy. Like that's their entire motto. Let the board.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: But you kind of like to. To prove a point a little bit. I. And I'm not saying he necessarily will, but I think there's go Gladstone.
Yeah. But there's something where it's like you could trade up one of those third round picks and still pick up a later pick where you're like, it flattens out. But we go and get one of those elite level talents early when we actually need to.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: I'll give you that. And Miami is in a position where they could either be sitting extremely pretty based on the top 10. I think they're at 11. Yeah.
They could be sitting extremely pretty because the top 10 gets a little wonky. Or they could be the first man out on that. So do you want to get some third round picks together and say let's go get what is clearly a elite player in a draft that probably might not. It might not give us an elite player by the time we get there at 11. Right. Do you. You know the Niners were in the same situation last year. Exact same situation, except there were like 13 elite players. So they felt like they were going to be a. Okay. Like you can make the argument on Nolan or not, but they felt comfortable putting him in that category. He was like their Nolan.
[00:24:14] Speaker A: Nolan was cooking when he was.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: You and I were both very high on Nolan. He maintains he's very, very good. Mikel's very, very good. Both. I was not two clear options.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: And they went with one of them who had less off field concern.
[00:24:29] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And is 21 years old.
So. Yeah. Listen, do you have a feel. Right, right. How about this? I'll give you some intel.
Lomu27, still very much on the board.
Still very much a thing.
[00:24:46] Speaker A: I don't get that. I really don't get it.
[00:24:48] Speaker B: Telling you. I think that they think that he can play guard in the short term. I don't take over for. Okay.
[00:24:54] Speaker A: I don't think he can play guard.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: Okay.
I'm telling you what I heard.
Well, they're not getting Fauna.
I know.
They're not getting Proctor. By the way. Proctor might not even get to Detroit now.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. Proctor's not gonna beat it.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: Like isn't that so weird that Everyone all over my man, Caden Proctor for months and months and months and now it's like, does he get past the Rams at 13?
Oh, sorry, sorry. Was he always really good?
[00:25:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't see it with Lamu.
It's not that I don't see it at all. It's that I didn't feel so soft handed. Like there's just a lightness to his play where I'm like, what do you mean you're going to slide inside to guard?
Like I need to see some physicality if you're going to do that. I don't know.
[00:25:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. He's, he's a feet guy, though, and they love feet guy.
[00:25:47] Speaker A: He certainly moves well. He certainly is athletic and definitely you're going to take a gambit. I'd rather the athleticism, but I'm with you.
[00:25:56] Speaker B: I'm with you. I'm just telling you what I've heard, which is that they got them circled. That's all I've heard.
So in a weird roundabout way with everyone saying, hey, Trent Williams, replacement, Trent Williams, replacement, and just doing this thing like need equals draft pick, they might, in a roundabout way, actually get it right if Lomu's still on the board at 27. Just.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: I don't buy it. I know it. I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with what you heard. I just don't see it.
[00:26:23] Speaker B: I would rather just take Ian Archer, who, by the way, might not get, Might not get there, but that's how it goes.
[00:26:29] Speaker A: I agree.
[00:26:30] Speaker B: I'm, you know, while we're just doing offensive linemen, there's a lot of false flags out there about Maui Noah regarding the back and the injury and stuff. A lot of teams are very interested in that information being disseminated in as many places as possible right now. That's a tell.
I'm not here and squat on Monroe Freeling right now. Not hearing a damn thing that can go one or two ways. Read into that what you will, but I feel like that hype has died down a little bit. He could go at 6, he could go at 26.
I think, I think Fano is going to be the next guy off the board. I think, I think Freeling's the fourth OT drafted. That's, that's my take right now.
I think Proctor.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: Proctor, you mean the second offensive tackle?
That's a joke about how the top two tackles are guards.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: I like Maui Noah. I don't, I don't know why everyone's. We're over correcting. We're overcorrecting.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: No, no, here's what happens. Here's what happens. The board gets set a month ago, and then everyone's like, all right, well, we're done here. Ah, well, I got a month on my hands to get geared and overthink this. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, is this guy flying up? It's like.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: It's.
[00:27:43] Speaker A: It's. It's been set, I think. And you keep thinking, teams keep thinking and people keep talking, and so you overthink stuff a little bit. But I think it was like. It was Maui, Noah, Bono and then Freeling or Proctor. It was like sort of the order Lamu. Somewhere in there, you know, somewhere in there. So, like, doesn't make sense. I mean, it makes sense that it would get weird. Also, Blake. The Blake Miller of all of this. Some teams are going to be very high and some teams are going to hate it. So I don't know what to make of that.
[00:28:14] Speaker B: Correct.
Don't know what to tell you on that one. Okay, let's do some questions.
Very quick one.
[00:28:21] Speaker A: Here we go.
[00:28:24] Speaker B: Should we be excited or concerned that the guy from the Vikings is now in the building? Whereas.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: Quasi, quasi.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Picture the Vikings. Good. He's just scapegoated for not going with Darnold after that last year. Listen, he was not objectively wasn't a good drafter. Right. You look at the. The picks, it wasn't a good drafting. He's a very analytic, analytics guy.
I don't think that it hurts to have another voice who's been through the fire before in the building.
I have not heard anything about him, like, taking over in terms of his voice being really strong. I haven't heard squat about it. And I was the guy who told you it was happening, so I wouldn't worry about it in the least bit. And I don't think you're going to hear his name very often.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: The drafts were questionable and they traded away a lot of picks. It got weird.
But again, like, he's just objectively a smart dude and it doesn't hurt. Yeah.
[00:29:14] Speaker B: That.
Yeah. Beyond that, like, yeah, he is the scapegoat for Darnold, and it was. Koc is a very, very thoughtful guy, and he knew it was going to have to be him or Quesi after Donald won the Super Bowl.
Sometimes that sounds like Machiavellian, but, like, it is. And so he pulled rank. He did what he could to make sure that he was the guy and he got his quarterback in Kyler and here we go. Here we go with the Vikings, who I'm bullish on this year.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: Can you run through the logic of SF trading players during the draft? Maybe not Mac or iu.
More like depth linebackers, Brown at safety, certain receivers.
It's I, I like the thought. It just doesn't happen all that often to make a deal where you move players. I mean, I do think they have a number of guys where that kind of would make sense.
Like if you wanted, like if the team liked Jacob Cowling a few years ago and wanted that as a sweetener and a pick swap. Right. You're already doing a pick swap and you're like, well, move that. Pick up 15 more picks and we'll throw up. Jacob cowing and yeah, Jay, your Brown makes sense.
[00:30:24] Speaker B: Like Jair Brown makes a lot of sense. But I, I still, I have not had anyone tell me no.
[00:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: To the thought that Raheem is going to just see what they have in safeties that might be bringing in another one in the draft. It might be getting into training camp or even OTAs and being like, oh, I don't like one of these guys. Let's go to the streets and find ourselves another safety. Like, I just think they're going to wait and see at safety. It's such a premium position in this defense and they got young talent there. They have three young guys that you got to see through a little bit further. Even if we're all in agreement, one of them's got to go.
[00:31:03] Speaker A: Thoughts on Lance Mason, tight end from Wisconsin. I like him a lot. I think my descriptor for him was apropos. I said, what is it?
[00:31:13] Speaker B: I don't see it.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: Sneak sick. Sneaky sick.
[00:31:18] Speaker B: What number did you give him?
[00:31:20] Speaker A: 40.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, there he is. Sneaky fifth rounder.
[00:31:23] Speaker A: Sneaky sick. I like him.
[00:31:25] Speaker B: I compared him to Durham Smythe.
Good blocker, hanging out, which is funny.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: I always forget Durham Smythe and Payne Durham. I think Payne Durham went to Purdue.
[00:31:36] Speaker B: No, my brain can't do that right now.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: I think that's good.
[00:31:40] Speaker B: Good. By the way, good draft for H backs. A lot of H backs.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: We got two explicitly graded fullbacks, by the way, on our board.
[00:31:50] Speaker B: Yes. And by the like. Now Towski is more of a, more of an H back than he is a fullback. But like he is in the Kyle Jus check mold. A fullback where you line him up anywhere. I, I, I love that guy. That is the guy that maybe has grown on me the most because I just remember writing his name down a Dozen times this year. Watching Indiana, because it's just fun. It's just fun to watch a dude who has no overt athletic ability just win at football. It's. He's like the Nikola Jokic of football.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. That's how I felt about the Michigan guy. I say wearing this.
[00:32:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:24] Speaker A: Max Bredesen, who's just like snatch trapping people into the dirt. I don't know if that's an effective way to play the position or if that's really going to work, but I haven't seen like a fullback just literally snatch trap people so consistently. And I, And I love watching it happen.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: Are you excited for Max Bredesen to be a New York Giant? Because he's about to be a New York Giant.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:47] Speaker B: And if it ain't him, it's going to be his brother. Like, it's happening. Bredesen's going to the Chargers or New York prepare to get gouged on rent. It's. It's going to be tough for you. Max Bredesen, but big fan of his game, big fan of fullbacks. And I, you know, we talked about this a million times over, but Kevin Clark had had Mike McDonald on the sitting in front of a iPhone show and was like, you know, what is the biggest trend in football right now, which we could have told you two and a half years ago, but McDonald, you know, laid it out, is offenses showing you a different number than they actually are.
So lining up in 12, but actually being in 11, something like that, just showing you a different number. And the way to combat that, as anyone who's watched this channel knows, is to not substitute on defense is to just to steal a basketball term, switch everything and find you a bunch of Draymond Greens and Andre Guadalas and Klay Thompson's. So it's. That's really fun and interesting and I'm for it.
This is where the fullback comes back into play. This is where move tight ends come back into play. We are coming back into a golden age of trench play, and I couldn't be more amped about it.
[00:34:01] Speaker A: I'm with you.
I'm going to take one question as we get out of here, just because it's an interesting one. How do you guys value safeties to hard.
It's hard as a beginner to evaluate the film. It's. I think it's the trickiest position to evaluate because a few things.
Athletic ability doesn't always matter a ton, but also sometimes really matters for safeties. Kind of quarterback college defenses. Are a nightmare. So a lot of the stuff you see in college doesn't translate at all. And then some schools, it translates one to one. So you're sort of doing a lot of projection. What I try and do is I try and identify, like, what they're really good at. I'm like, okay, is this guy a great tackler? Is he fluid in coverage? Does he have an iq? Does he communicate well? So I try and, like, find things I can see and then try and go, all right, what are the limitations?
What could this work in? But it's tricky because, like, you don't see it. So it's one of the positions that requires so, so, so much projection. And you're. And it's a lot of guesswork.
[00:35:05] Speaker B: I, I, I operate on almost the ethereal realm when it comes to safety.
[00:35:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:10] Speaker B: Like, does it feel like he controls the defense and controls the, does he control the game? Is his presence felt in the contest? So then really, in that case, you have to watch. It's hard with cut ups. You need all 22 full game because you can feel presence in that. That makes it tricky.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: And safeties are doing nothing about 75% of the time. So you have to be patient and go, nothing, nothing.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: And then right other thing, pop, right? It's, it's sometimes just as simple as, does he pop off the screen? That might go hand in hand with control. The third thing is play recognition.
How fast can he recognize what's happening, even if it's not his assignment? Make the adjustment. So you and I, I think, have talked a lot about deceleration for perimeter players this cycle. I think we're kind of, I'm personally obsessed with deceleration. Your ability to decelerate as a wide receiver, your ability to decelerate as a corner, that's the ball game. That's the secret sauce of what makes these guys great with safeties.
It's play recognition and ability to turn, adapt, go. None of this stutter. Step three, extra step, like, I don't know, make a decision. Even if it's wrong, you have to make that decision.
[00:36:30] Speaker A: How did the eyes and the feet communicate? Like Kyle Lewis? There's this one play against Stanford where he's tracking the play and he starts to go into the flat. Or Sam Rausch, who grew on me, but, like, didn't sell the wheel route at all. I did this in the Hutch Report. Like, he goes in the week, he runs a wheel, but he doesn't actually sell it to the flat. And so Louis picks that Up. He keeps his eyes up. He's watching the balls going here, and he turns his hips, but manages to keep his eyes up the whole way. And it's just this perfect match of, like, IQ recognition and the body all working in sync.
[00:37:06] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, and by the way, if you want to know what almost impeccable safety tape is, just watch downs. Just keep your eye on downs and just watch what he does. Full control, crazy pop, unbelievable body, mind meld, great play recognition. Never was really asked to do much play recognition. He was just kind of C ball, git ball, seaman take, man, but just watch that. Watch Derwin James at. At Florida State. Just missile, just everywhere.
But the way that I would evaluate it is you have to view them like the quarterback. How would you evaluate a quarterback? You're not just watching highlights. You're. You're having to watch full games. Cut ups aren't really helping in that regard because there is sort of a presence that comes through on a screen.
It's why you spend more time evaluating quarterbacks in person than anything else.
Do they feel like they are in control?
Are they? Because they're the Jacks, they have to do everything. If they don't do it, there is no recourse. People view them as the last line of defense. They're in fact, the first line of defense, because if they don't do it right, no one else has a chance to win. So.
But, you know, I just think that they're destiny. And it's the hardest position to evaluate, by the way. Easiest position to evaluate. Jake, what do you think?
[00:38:24] Speaker A: Ooh,
[00:38:28] Speaker B: I haven't. I have an obvious answer. To me.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: Defensive tackle.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: No, defensive tackle is a little tricky because you're constantly asking what were they asked to do? And sometimes it's a little muddy.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: Like center.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: No.
[00:38:41] Speaker A: Yeah, running back. Yeah, running. Running back was my first instinct.
[00:38:46] Speaker B: And then I went, yeah, Dieter's overthinking it. Yeah, fair thought. No, I think running back's the easiest, which is why it's. Which is why I usually end up with, like, four guys on day three where I'm like, I love this dude a hundred percent. And it's just so obvious. And this year I'm like, I hate every single one of these players, and I hope that I never see them again.
[00:39:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds about right.
[00:39:06] Speaker B: You're making me dive deep into you in order to figure out if you're good or not. Hey.
[00:39:11] Speaker A: Hey.
[00:39:11] Speaker B: We already did. Soft hands and nice feet. So for us to get out of here. I suppose so.
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[00:39:34] Speaker B: on a desktop if that's something that you can do in this day and age. I don't know the average age of our audience. I imagine it's not young children, it's 75.
That makes sense. That really does light up. So yeah, go on a desktop or even use.
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[00:39:54] Speaker B: Dude, I go to the library. I go to the library a little bit. I go to the library like once or twice a week.
The library is great. And man, the old people at the Library watching Mandarin, YouTube. It is something that is a scene.
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[00:40:33] Speaker A: There will be some good stuff once the draft is over.49 or specific.
[00:40:36] Speaker B: We were brainstorming, baby, where you're going to get your money's worth. For sure.
Okay, folks, by the way, one other thing.
We're going to do a mock draft.
[00:40:49] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:40:51] Speaker B: It's Dieter and Hutch. It's the day before the NFL draft starts. They're going to do it over three days. I think they should knock it out all in one night. But that's just me.
And we're going to. We're going to do a goddamn mock draft.
[00:41:04] Speaker A: We're going to do it. We kind of. The bit was that we. We would but wouldn't. And now we are. We're just going to.
[00:41:11] Speaker B: We're just going to get out of the way. It's happening and it will be wrong.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: I don't think we've given ourselves any parameters for trades or anything. We're just gonna see what happens. We're just gonna do it. We're just gonna rip through it.
[00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And we're gonna, we're gonna talk about guys that we could take or not take. Here we go. I'm hitting start we're by the way, using mock draft database. So shouts to mock draft database aggregating all of the slop.
Here we go. Start. And I think that they already took Mendoza. It's going fast. It's happening fast.
[00:41:39] Speaker A: Jason Lemon, Bailey McCoy Downs.
[00:41:42] Speaker B: Tate Delane.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: The three best players going there. Mark Cooper, Boston. Oh.
Bain Parker. Oh, no. This is sitting pretty for your boys.
[00:41:50] Speaker A: Cassius Howell, fall.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: Oh, boy. Lawrence, we have five trade offers. Jake, I don't want.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: Let's close that out and see who's on the board first.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: That makes sense. That's. That's smart. Okay. I just. Oh, okay. This is a fun conversation because these are three of our favorite players.
I think there's an obvious answer. I think I know which answer you want. And if, you know, if you let. If the other two guys weren't there, I would do the third guy. That's.
[00:42:18] Speaker A: I think the thing is you get
[00:42:21] Speaker B: in a position like, are we doing this as we would do it? Are we John lynch and Kyle Shanahan.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: Oh, man.
[00:42:26] Speaker B: Quessi here. Or are we doing this the way we think they do it?
[00:42:29] Speaker A: We have to. We have to do it how we
[00:42:31] Speaker B: think they would do it, how they would do it. Okay.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: By the way, I think we have to approach.
[00:42:35] Speaker B: Don't think that way. Don't think it's going to be an issue in that regard. I think we're okay there.
If we're going at it the way I think they're going to go at it, the answer is Kenyan Sadiq. Right?
[00:42:47] Speaker A: I think. Yeah. I think the talent's too immense. Although Thiemen's.
That's a real conversation.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: I don't disagree that it's a conversation. Let me make my case for Sadiq.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: Okay, Go for it.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: Multiplicity value at multiple spots on the field.
Receiver can absolutely block. He's your move. Tight end, you currently have a depth chart. I know everyone k coming back. Okay, fine. Even if he does come back, your backup tight end is Luke Farrell. And you got a guy who's 32 years old coming off an Achilles injury. Your third string tight end is Jake Tonis. I like Jake Tonis. Jake Tonjis is only considered a fun, viable player because no one expected anything from him. And he started off with the highest of highs with that catch in Seattle in week one. Like your third tight end as it stands today is still Braden Willis. Like, that is unacceptable. It might not be a need, but, boy, you should address that position in this draft.
[00:43:46] Speaker A: Now, let's just keep in mind it's a $3.5 million draft slot. That's the cap hit. Just, just for context of this round one pick tight end is not an immensely well paid position, and the niners are spending a top five at that position.
As it stands, I'm not saying that as a reason that they necessarily won't do it. I'm saying that's important context that they could say, you know, like, is he totally well rounded? All that.
And would a safety like thienaman benefit our defense more than Sadiq would benefit our offense? I suppose is the general question.
I would lean Sadiq. I really don't think thienaman would be out of the question here. And for anyone saying just trade back a pick, like, that's not really.
Maybe you could.
And, and I suppose they did that with the bucks. But this is a. I think this is a. Like, you take your pick here. You don't.
You don't move back. You pick one of these two guys.
[00:44:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: I would say Sadiq is probably the slightly more logical pick. Although that to me is like 55, 60.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: I mean, I've been saying for weeks, if sadiq is there, you have to take him.
Yeah. I. I don't think we overthink it. I think it's. It's Sadiq.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And again, they've cobbled together stuff in. In at safety that has worked. I do think thienaman is incredibly special. It's also kind of ridiculous because the odds that both these guys are here is just. It's not really happening.
I think sadiq is kind of more likely to be here than thienaman.
[00:45:34] Speaker B: Yes, I agree on that.
[00:45:36] Speaker A: Let's say, let's say Sadiq and then Concepcion is a guy who like, actually might.
[00:45:40] Speaker B: Might be here.
Yes, that.
Let's talk through conception just for the sake of argument.
[00:45:48] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:45:49] Speaker B: He's not in this category. These are two guys who should absolutely be there.
But conception, I think can play all three spots. I think he's an elite route runner. I think he has the ack ability. His one knock is catching the football.
You and I have talked about slow
[00:46:05] Speaker A: getting into his routes at times.
Like. Yeah, there's a little bit of like get into this.
[00:46:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. I think Concepcion is a first round town. You're lower on them than I am. That's fine. We can have differing opinions.
We both like him hell of a lot more than.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: Well, meanwhile, he's. He's only two slots lower on my board than yours.
[00:46:26] Speaker B: It just felt Like, I was higher on.
[00:46:28] Speaker A: You are. No, you are higher.
[00:46:29] Speaker B: Rhetorically at least.
[00:46:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I definitely, I definitely like him.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: Like, I want to click to defend my pick on him right now, if you can see that. Okay, we're taking Sadiq. Here we go.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:40] Speaker B: Thea. After that. Yeah.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: I mean, by the way, Avion, we didn't look down the board, but Avion Terrell was also there. That's actually like a real option at 27.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: Well, I would, I would rather have Chris Johnson than Terrell and I, I get that.
[00:46:55] Speaker A: I get that.
Interesting.
[00:46:57] Speaker B: Okay, let's see who's available. Oh, did it work? Did it pan out? Exactly. Are we just doing the thing? Are we double Oregon again, buddy. We want to look at these.
[00:47:07] Speaker A: Let's. Let's look at the other picks. Let's look at the other options. Oh, no, I know he's right there. But if you're. But the Niners simply don't need. I know Anthony Hill in the same way and I know you don't draft or need. But on the, on the hierarchy of things that they need, it's so much lower.
It's so much lower. Even if like Drake Greenlaw gets hurt and all that. Like I.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: We look at. Can we look at the trades for a second?
[00:47:34] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:47:35] Speaker B: And see.
Oh, that's. That's manual. Here we go.
Emmanuel Pregnant. In fact, is there any way that we can move down?
[00:47:44] Speaker A: It's an insane deal.
[00:47:45] Speaker B: Just. Yeah, no, that's another one of the problems now. Like, that's too much. That's 30 picks. No, no, no. Okay, so. No, I, I think it's pregnant.
[00:47:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Let's. Let's look at just the other options. Just so people can see.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: Oh, man. You don't want to take the Hunter.
[00:48:03] Speaker A: Halsey. Halsey's interesting, but doesn't quite do it for me in the same way. Yeah, I mean, it's like the drop off is.
Yikes.
I think we have to. Here's the thing. I think you're right.
[00:48:18] Speaker B: You're right. I'm just frustrated because my guy is there. I want to take my guy. But it is the correct decision to take pregnant. It's the correct decision.
[00:48:28] Speaker A: He is and he's. Lynch talked about like the 25 year olds and older guys coming out of college. I think to me that's more of a concern if you're drafting a guard first round in the fifth round. The fifth year option doesn't really have the benefit if. If pregnant's there at 58. Like they need a guy who has Murder in his eyes at left guard and can actually move people and play with serious athleticism and physicality.
I think pregnant at this spot is a no brainer.
[00:48:59] Speaker B: I am with you. We're going to take pregnant here. And by the way, I got no problem going. Duck. Duck. I feel like Goose is up at 127. But duck, duck is good.
[00:49:11] Speaker A: It's tough because they've got such talented players and then sometimes you watch them as a team and you're like, what is wrong here?
[00:49:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
I think you're describing college football.
[00:49:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:22] Speaker B: On the whole like the board.
[00:49:26] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:49:27] Speaker B: I do like. It's a bit early. I prefer a. Connor. Lou, it's going to be a minute here. Jake, do you have anything you want
[00:49:33] Speaker A: to plug Sickos Football where you can see all of your picks?
[00:49:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's a very good draft guide.
[00:49:43] Speaker A: And, and the Hutch Report where I have my own mock draft and video edition video with clips of the guys I pick, which is that killing me a little bit because it actually takes a lot of time because people go, oh, highlights are fun. And then it's like, no, you actually have to find. You have to actually watch a player.
[00:50:02] Speaker B: So let's, let's see who we have. Markel Bell is a fun option. Want to throw that out there?
[00:50:07] Speaker A: Jalen Farmer doesn't make sense after drafting pregnant.
I like Devin Moore, especially at this late in the draft.
[00:50:14] Speaker B: I don't.
I prefer Will Lee.
Trey Zoon is still there, but we've already gotten our guy. But you know, maybe Zoon is a swing 10. It's maybe a little bit over indexed.
[00:50:26] Speaker A: A lot of Sean Elliott's just a classic Sam Travis Burke is a beautiful specimen. That's very intriguing.
[00:50:34] Speaker B: Very intriguing indeed.
Boy Singleton K. Tron Allen. Do you. How about we look at positions because we're in the fourth round here.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: Tight end and guard knocked out.
[00:50:47] Speaker B: So what wide receivers. I mean the fall off is apparently significant. At wide receiver.
[00:50:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So Brennan Thompson is like if Danny Ray Wade.
Here's the thing about Brennan Thompson. The tape's actually really, really good. Like he puts people in a blender consistently. He's not just a pure speed guy. He's really snappy. He can go up and get it.
But I don't really, I don't really want a piece of it because he weighs 11 pounds. Jeff Caldwell's a bad player.
Coleman Jr. Is Greg Dorch. Greg Dorch kind of fun
[00:51:24] Speaker B: of these guys. And by the way, I'm a big ouijin guy. But I. You can wait on him. He's 213 here. I'm a big.
Of these guys. It's Kendrick Law for me through and through.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:34] Speaker B: Of these guys. But I don't think I have him right now.
[00:51:36] Speaker A: I have him as my superlative is slick.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: He's Love is slick.
But, yeah, none of those edge rushers.
[00:51:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:45] Speaker B: This is where you can maybe get just the burst guys.
[00:51:50] Speaker A: And boy, he's just a rotation guy. Llewellyn is sort of a hustle.
[00:51:56] Speaker B: Llewellyn's maybe a special team or maybe not. He. He doesn't do it for me. The damn Tucker.
We. We might have overdone it. Maybe we should have gotten back in at the third round. Get this. The draft ends.
[00:52:09] Speaker A: Yeah, we. Well, if we wanted to, we would have traded down, but we didn't feel like doing it.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: No. Well, they had two great players there that were above. I mean, it's really rough.
Wow.
You could just take a guy who is.
[00:52:23] Speaker A: Where is he from? Is that a nice.
[00:52:27] Speaker B: Just.
[00:52:27] Speaker A: I was gonna guess Eswatini.
[00:52:30] Speaker B: This is.
[00:52:31] Speaker A: This guy TJ got. Yeah. So it's tough sledding at edge.
[00:52:34] Speaker B: Okay, let's take a look at corner. Corner. We feel better. There's a good player out of Oregon. We can go three.
[00:52:43] Speaker A: Julian Neal is more of a safety to me. He's intriguing.
[00:52:46] Speaker B: There's actually, like, I think that on Devin Moore, by the way.
[00:52:49] Speaker A: Devon Moore could make sense at safety. Both those guys are intriguing.
Dalen Everett is fine, but I'm kind of more excited about these other two Ephesians.
[00:53:00] Speaker B: Pry Sock.
[00:53:01] Speaker A: Awesome name.
Not sure he totally does it for me on tape. I have him as like a seventh rounder.
[00:53:08] Speaker B: What about his amasses?
[00:53:10] Speaker A: Yeah, he's in.
[00:53:11] Speaker B: These are real people.
[00:53:13] Speaker A: Yeah. These are very biblical. Very biblical corners.
[00:53:16] Speaker B: Jade on Kenadi. I. He. He kept. He kept popping up during east west shrine practices and it's like.
[00:53:25] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:53:25] Speaker B: I kind of like the cut of his jib. Felt like a scrapper. I'm looking for a scrapper at this. At this juncture. Let's maybe check out other positions. Long snapper per chance.
Running back.
[00:53:37] Speaker A: Let's see what that's interesting.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: This is. This is. Sweet spot of the running back is
[00:53:41] Speaker A: really your favor of choice. I think we should wait on running back because, like, I.
I guess we
[00:53:48] Speaker B: have a pick in like five.
[00:53:49] Speaker A: That's what I mean. We've got a bunch. So. I mean, Singleton, Allen, Claiborne, Kalon Black, Jamari, Taylor. Like all of those guys are Kind of fine. To me, they all bring something different. We can talk through them.
[00:54:02] Speaker B: Bredesen.
[00:54:03] Speaker A: But like, I actually think for the Niners purposes, the guy who might be the most logical pick would be like Kalon Black.
How do you feel about that?
[00:54:13] Speaker B: Right now or later?
[00:54:15] Speaker A: I mean now. Now is later.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: Now is later.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: Right. So I just want to talk through them.
[00:54:22] Speaker B: Let's. Let's talk through some running backs then. Emmett Johnson's a great pass pro guy with some athleticism.
[00:54:27] Speaker A: Never really Syracuse guy last year who's like a third down pass pro.
[00:54:32] Speaker B: The one that Lombardi loved ended up being right. Yeah, yeah, that guy. It's something there. I know Matt Rule loves this kid.
I very much trust Matt Rule on many things almost implicitly.
I'm not the biggest. I did not love his tape.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: Neither did I.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: It was a tough sell. It was all but good at pass pro. Really good at pass pro.
Singleton and Allen. I'm higher on Allen. You're higher on Singleton?
[00:54:58] Speaker A: No, I would say. I would say I'm higher on Allen, but I think Singleton is the higher ceiling.
[00:55:04] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:55:04] Speaker A: I think Singleton is more physical talent, but Allen is just a tremendous player. I think Alan is a guy that, like, if you drafted here, you'd be like, okay, we have our RB2. He's going to be pretty good.
[00:55:16] Speaker B: Yes. There's a. There's like seven of those dudes in this. There is a lot of late stage. Tevin Coleman's in this. Totally.
[00:55:24] Speaker A: Claiborne is an immensely high upside guy who might really suck, who might truly be Isaac Rando. And I don't think you take that chance, frankly. Where the Niners are at. Kalon Black, though, he can kind of do everything. He's a really great athlete.
He might make a lot of sense. And Jamari Taylor's just kind of does everything right.
[00:55:44] Speaker B: I like Taylor more than Black. I would bet on Indiana to just. I have.
[00:55:49] Speaker A: Taylor is my fifth running back.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: So what about Adam Randall, who is hilarious to watch?
[00:55:55] Speaker A: He's. He's so large and he's so big.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: I love it. And he like get enough of it.
[00:56:00] Speaker A: I need that tested well. But people sort of misinterpreted the data where they think he's like a true 44 guy. And it's not really no how he plays at all.
I just have him as a big lad, as a superlative. He's just a big fella.
[00:56:13] Speaker B: I kind of like Both Moss and McGowan too. I mean, I like Moss is doing some work there.
[00:56:18] Speaker A: I think Moss, I would wait I would wait until our last pick.
[00:56:22] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: To draft one of these guys.
[00:56:24] Speaker B: By the way, we need to make a pick. I think that the clock is running out on us. Defensive tackle. What? Any of these guys strike you?
[00:56:31] Speaker A: Rayshawn Benny's interesting. Demonte. K. Part. Both of those two guys are interesting.
[00:56:36] Speaker B: I think we should go with Cape Heart.
[00:56:38] Speaker A: I. You know, what pick are we at? 127.
[00:56:41] Speaker B: 127. We can maybe wait until 133, 138 or 139.
[00:56:45] Speaker A: Well, not to spoil my own mock draft, but Cape Heart at 127 would make a whole lot of sense.
[00:56:51] Speaker B: I say we do it.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: Yeah, let's go. I'm thinking K part, and then I'm thinking corner, slash, safety and running back.
[00:56:59] Speaker B: Sounds good. K Part here. We'll see. Oh, no, we don't need the definition. We know what this is.
Okay, Price ox off the board. Do we want to get the hell up out of here, by the way?
Get out of here.
Okay, now we're thinking corner more this. Lee, I'm gonna let you make the pick because I don't. I'm not the biggest fan of either of these guys.
[00:57:25] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
What else? What else?
[00:57:28] Speaker B: They're gone, by the way. They're gone. Next. I mean, I don't know. It's. It's five picks.
Safety. Let's see what we got. At safety, are we at one time?
[00:57:36] Speaker A: We're at 133. And then there's two more picks after this.
[00:57:39] Speaker B: Yeah. 133. 138. 139.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: I kind of love Jacoby Thomas, but he might be more of a strong safety, although he did play up top for Miami.
I also.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: I could dig. I could dig. I could dig that. Dalton Johnson. Well, NBC Sports.
[00:57:58] Speaker A: He's like my last guy of the draft. I think he is.
[00:58:01] Speaker B: Look at that.
[00:58:03] Speaker A: Incredible.
[00:58:05] Speaker B: Okay, well, then we're gonna take him at 139.
[00:58:07] Speaker A: Okay. I'm not gonna say we have three picks left.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
Taylor Green. No, we are. Got a wide receiver. We're still in this thing. Are we trying to get back and get Ouijin?
Is there anyone. We're going. Is it law? We have to get a wide receiver, Jake.
[00:58:25] Speaker A: I guess. All right, so we have three picks left. I think we go. Eric river versus I like Eric Rivers, actually.
[00:58:32] Speaker B: I like Eric Rivers, too. He was really good in the Shrine Game.
[00:58:35] Speaker A: Yeah, Eric Rivers, I think, is probably the highest graded player we have. I mean, Brennan Thompson well, you could
[00:58:41] Speaker B: check out sickos.football and find Josh Cameron,
[00:58:44] Speaker A: but he's like a total hit or miss guy.
[00:58:47] Speaker B: He's off the board out of Baylor. He's gone. Yeah.
[00:58:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
Okay.
[00:58:51] Speaker B: I mean, there's legitimately names that I've never seen before.
[00:58:54] Speaker A: Okay, here's what we're gonna do. We're going to get a wide receiver, a running back, and a corner or safety.
[00:59:01] Speaker B: Wide receiver, running back. Corner or safety. Let's take our running back now. We have a stronger opinion about that. And that's going to be Kalon Black over Singleton and Katron Allen, by the way. Is that. Is that what we're going with?
[00:59:13] Speaker A: That's who you're. I guess we're doing this for the Niners. We're doing this for the Niners. We're not doing this for us.
[00:59:19] Speaker B: I think.
[00:59:19] Speaker A: I think they get a little weird with running back about guys being able to do everything.
And Singleton lacks a little bit of polish.
[00:59:30] Speaker B: They might like Johnson the most.
[00:59:35] Speaker A: I don't know. He's not really fluid in anything he does.
[00:59:38] Speaker B: Black it is.
Could only have so much of the conversation.
[00:59:43] Speaker A: All right.
[00:59:44] Speaker B: Okay, then we're going corner and we're going edge or wide receiver. Sorry, I've already.
[00:59:49] Speaker A: Wide receivers. The edges are terrible. We're gonna go with either Kendrick Law or. Let's go down.
[00:59:54] Speaker B: Let's.
[00:59:55] Speaker A: Let's take Eric Rivers. Let's take care of.
[00:59:57] Speaker B: I believe. I believe we don't need to trade. We just take the guy. And this is. I think. Oh, boy. Now look at all these trade offers. Do you want to move down at all?
[01:00:06] Speaker A: I think.
I think they might.
[01:00:10] Speaker B: Let's not. Let's take this one.
[01:00:12] Speaker A: Let's.
[01:00:12] Speaker B: Let's take this one from Minnesota.
[01:00:13] Speaker A: Let's take that. Sure.
[01:00:15] Speaker B: And then we can come back through. Okay, so here's what we have, by the way.
Sadiq Pragnion, K. Part Black Rivers.
The Rivers one now kind of looks kind of dumb. Not gonna lie.
I don't. I don't care about that grade. We know better.
[01:00:32] Speaker A: Yeah, let's skip this.
We're gonna chalk it up for the last two. We're just gonna. We're just gonna pick our last two and ignore these picks?
[01:00:39] Speaker B: That makes sense to me.
Okay, so what else do we need?
[01:00:44] Speaker A: We need corner safety.
Let's look at safety.
[01:00:50] Speaker B: Safety feels true.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: Thomas.
[01:00:53] Speaker B: What about Lewis Moore?
[01:00:54] Speaker A: You like Lewis Moore? We can take Lewis Moore.
[01:00:57] Speaker B: I. I feel good about Lewis.
[01:00:59] Speaker A: Let's see who we have higher on our board. Lewis Moore is much higher on Our boards. I don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah.
[01:01:04] Speaker B: Can you just read the description of one lose?
[01:01:06] Speaker A: So he has worrying athleticism, but has outstanding intelligence and feel for the game. Does a great job lurking. Watching the eyes of the QB feel for where he needs to be on every plate. Reminds me a little bit of Jonas Sinker from Virginia who went to the Saints, who is a sneaky, underrated guy who just sits back there and plays free safety with high intelligence. I actually think that makes a ton of sense for the Niners.
[01:01:30] Speaker B: Drafted lose more.
I mean, Jaden Knott's off the board. Also the guy from Buffalo who led college football and tackles because Buffalo always has.
[01:01:40] Speaker A: Not a good football player.
[01:01:41] Speaker B: He was. He was. He was decent enough at Cal two years ago. Right. There's a lot of. Like, you had to watch him two years ago in this year's draft.
[01:01:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:01:50] Speaker B: All right, so we have to go corner here or what?
[01:01:52] Speaker A: We can do whatever we want here. I think the Niners are going to say we'll do whatever we want.
Kennedy's there.
[01:01:58] Speaker B: Keegan trost.
[01:02:00] Speaker A: Isaiah World. Take Isaiah. It has to be at. At this. At this point in the draft, a guy with that much upside. It has to be. I'm sorry, I know it's your red shirt.
[01:02:10] Speaker B: He's a red shirt.
[01:02:11] Speaker A: Yeah. At this point in the draft, his upside is monumental. We haven't taken. I love Aiden Fisher, the linebacker. I think he's a great player, but, like, I think it actually has to be Isaiah World. The upside is monumental. And we're in, what, round six at this point?
[01:02:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:02:27] Speaker A: Pat Coogan still.
[01:02:28] Speaker B: Wagner. Still hanging.
[01:02:30] Speaker A: I'm. I'm saying Isaiah World, he. The upsides. I know.
You can't take a fullback over. Over attack.
[01:02:39] Speaker B: Not if you. Not unless you want to win.
[01:02:42] Speaker A: No.
[01:02:42] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:02:42] Speaker A: We got to take Isaiah World.
[01:02:44] Speaker B: You're right. Isaiah World has like, first round potential.
[01:02:46] Speaker A: All world potential.
[01:02:51] Speaker B: Jake, this is why we don't do this.
[01:02:53] Speaker A: Has this been the worst Hog draft we've ever done?
[01:02:56] Speaker B: No, I think it's probably the most accurate, though.
[01:02:59] Speaker A: I think it's pretty.
This actually is pretty logical.
[01:03:03] Speaker B: Yeah, we just.
[01:03:04] Speaker A: Just flip the order of all these guys and you'll. You'll be fine.
[01:03:09] Speaker B: Sadiq pregnant. K Part earlier than he should go. Black earlier than he should go. But again, who gives a damn? We're at one running back.
[01:03:17] Speaker A: Doesn't matter.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: It doesn't matter where you take him. No.
Eric Rivers.
Eric Rivers. Sneaky, sneaky. Good player.
[01:03:25] Speaker A: I think he's like a guy where you're like, oh, he actually beats out Jordan Watkins and Jacob Cowan. Just as like your fifth wide receiver who actually shows up in possession downs and just makes good things happen.
[01:03:37] Speaker B: What if Eric Rivers is everything that people think that.
Forgive me, the, the name of the Indiana, Omar Cooper. Cooper. Like Eric Rivers is like the poor man's Omar Cooper.
[01:03:50] Speaker A: I, I mean, I, I gotta be honest. Georgia Tech was doing some fun things. And my description, my superlative is where did he come from?
[01:03:58] Speaker B: He was great. I mean, the shrine he was cooking.
[01:04:01] Speaker A: Dudes, I listen Calvin Austin, man, snappy little dude who's highly deceptive. Really good rocker step gets guys on the back foot. He's a gamer.
[01:04:12] Speaker B: And by the way, somebody who, because he was at Georgia Tech, knows how to block, knows how to handle it because it's not like they're kind of everything.
[01:04:18] Speaker A: Well, yeah.
[01:04:20] Speaker B: Eric Rivers. Good football player, Lewis Moore. Good football player, Lewis Moore. Feel, I feel that. Feels good.
Like he's back there, he's in control.
He might not, you know, have the speed, but his mind is working. He's good.
[01:04:32] Speaker A: Folks, I think we've nailed it. I think we've nailed it as we've always nailed it.
And, and we've only done one of these. This is the only one we've done. Only one we will do correct.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: I'll do, I'll do a first round lock. I'm gonna do it solo so that Jake doesn't have to hear my cries of agony. I love that.
[01:04:49] Speaker A: And don't forget, I have on the height report, I have a written version
[01:04:54] Speaker B: and out of this, of something else,
[01:04:56] Speaker A: of my own mock draft. And some players I have mocked in the past that have worked out. Granted, I did a few. Malik Mustafa, Renardo Green, Ricky Pierce. So last year, guess who I got exactly in the correct slot in my mock draft.
[01:05:13] Speaker B: I know the answer to this, but it's not coming to mind. You had
[01:05:18] Speaker A: think late. Think late.
[01:05:19] Speaker B: Was it CJ west in the exact.
[01:05:21] Speaker A: Connor, Colby.
[01:05:22] Speaker B: Connor Colby.
[01:05:23] Speaker A: Chalk nailed round seven.
[01:05:27] Speaker B: All that matters. That's all that matters. So again, one last time. Sadiq Prague. Sadiq at 27, pregnant at 58, Demonte Capehart out of Clemson. Jake's favorite player at 127 was at 1 point.
[01:05:39] Speaker A: And I don't know, I don't know about him, but he just, he is so much more athleticism than you'd think. He's got a lot to work on, but he is a round mound of rebound if there ever was one at defensive tackle.
[01:05:50] Speaker B: Now we're talking Kaylin Black just does everything right tough and has and has sneaky athleticism. Sneaky athleticism. Love Sneaky athleticism. 133 Eric Rivers. Talk about sneaky athleticism. 138 A guy.
Here's a guy.
Lewis Moore again. Indiana, Oregon. Wonder if there's a trend there at 163 and Isaiah world as the Trent Williams heir apparent. But not at 27. At 196.
[01:06:17] Speaker A: If you're getting a guy who is mocked to go top 10 at 196 and let's be honest, he's very, very, very, I'm not even going to say guaranteed very unlikely to be there because I don't know how, how the league values him at this point with the injury he's coming off and the fact that he's going to have to probably redshirt this entire year. I don't know where he lands.
He could go like 70 or 60. Like I don't, I really don't know.
[01:06:43] Speaker B: Could go on draft.
[01:06:45] Speaker A: If this guy is here.
I mean that's, that's a no brainer to me. He has elite, elite level talent and movement ability when healthy and there's a lot he needs to clean up and learn. But there's sky high upside and if you have to learn 96 in this draft, it's a no brainer.
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[01:07:38] Speaker A: Adios.
