The No-Pick Draftravaganza

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:07] Speaker B: Hutch. We traded down not a tremendous amount to get into, and yet so many [00:00:12] Speaker A: things to get into. Jake, [00:00:17] Speaker B: we were both primed for chaos. There were certain things that happened that I think I had hopefully primed people for without being too explicit. Namely Ty Simpson. I'll tell you one thing I didn't see coming. I didn't see Banks going in the first round. Nor do I. I mean, what do you do? What are you doing? Minnesota. I love the way that they phrased it afterwards. They're like, we have a great medical team, and if it works out, it works out. It's like, that is not what you should be doing at 18. But you know where I did. [00:00:52] Speaker A: I did, like, everybody being like, well, he's like, so large. He is like, his feet have been broken his entire career. What do we. What are we talking about here? Like, sure, it could work, but he can't finish tackles. He doesn't play. Like, there were a couple times there was Caleb Banks, there's Ty Simpson, and Malachi Lawrence. Where I went, we're not taking any of this seriously. [00:01:12] Speaker B: Well, and I think it was a pretty clear indication of everything that we've been saying. I mean, not to go confirmation bias here, but, like, there was just not that much love once, man. Where would you say the draft really started? I know for the Niners. Once Thierman went off the board, they're like, oh, we have nothing left to do here. [00:01:34] Speaker A: I texted you. I went, oh, we might be in a good. Okay, what are we doing? Why. Why would we. It's all the same. Because I bet he was in that upper tier. Because he was for me. [00:01:44] Speaker B: The Niners. Yeah, for the Niners, he was. I know. I can tell you for a fact that once Theemon went off the board, they executed the trade that they had with. With the Dolphins, and that was prearranged, ready to go. [00:01:58] Speaker A: Which I should mention, with no intel whatsoever, I was not far off. I said, I. In my mock draft, I said, they trade down to 30. Slightly different, but it's basically the same. Basically the same trade they both had. Like, the Dolphins had a bunch of third round picks in the same spot. They had a bunch of fourth rounders, basically. [00:02:19] Speaker B: I mean, obviously, because the last time we talked, I'm a little bit surprised at the aggressiveness of the Dolphins, but, you know, your point was extremely salient. Like, you have this ammunition. If you, like, guys, go get them. Like, why wait around? [00:02:31] Speaker A: Were really ripping on the Dolphins for drafting Chris Johnson. I don't really get it. [00:02:36] Speaker B: Oh, they're wrong. [00:02:36] Speaker A: He's awesome. [00:02:37] Speaker B: They're wrong, but I can. And again up for him. [00:02:41] Speaker A: I could get a little upset, but, [00:02:42] Speaker B: like, not when you get value like they did. Like the Niners. That was a 50, 50 trade. Now, I don't know if these trade charts have. The trade charts like the Jimmy Johnson one is a relic. There are new ones that teams operate on. Every team, in fact, should have their own that they've built now, especially in the age of sort by leadership skills. [00:03:03] Speaker A: And some do not. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Well, I mean, the Bengals have two scouts. And by the way, we had not talked about this. So when the Bengals traded for Dexter Lawrence for pick number 10, that's a pretty clear sign that this draft sucks. Not that Dexter Lawrence sucks, but that the pick 10. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Also, after a bad year for Dexter Lawrence where he was like, kind of injured, not really that impactful up and [00:03:23] Speaker B: down in a contract situation. Like, there's a lot going on there. And they're like, you know what? I don't want to even be in the lottery of this draft. We're out. [00:03:30] Speaker A: Right? Right. [00:03:31] Speaker B: Which again, not arguing at all the logic there, but it just tells you how this draft was. And when that trade went down, man, like, that's when the thing started to spiral. So I'll be overt about what I had heard going in Arizona. We'll get to the Niners, I promise. But I gotta clear my chest of this. Arizona wanted Ty Simpson really, really bad. And specifically Mike Leflore wanted Ty Simpson really, really bad. Now, should it be a shock to you that the Rams took Ty Simpson? Michael Floor likes Ty Simpson. They obviously have spent some time together. [00:04:10] Speaker A: Does Sean McVay, like, tied to Ty Simpson? Dieter. [00:04:13] Speaker B: Oh, buddy. He might not. He might not. But there's. There might be some palace intrigue. I will have a full report on that tomorrow. To the best of my ability, with. With less. And Sean, because I had four text messages right before we came on. The reason, one of the reasons that we came on a little late, because people are like, what is happening here? [00:04:38] Speaker A: And they love to. To like how in lockstep they are and how they. They're just smarter than everybody else. And you see McVay looks. It's you. Sometimes you look at these things and people make a lot out. And I think he looks pissed. He looks very, very terse. [00:04:53] Speaker B: Very terse in his reply. He's going to compete with Stetson for the backup job. Like, okay, now I will say this. Your comp for Ty Simpson was what was. What was can you give that John Walford? [00:05:07] Speaker A: It was like a souped up John Walford. [00:05:10] Speaker B: Now, if you lived it in any way, or if you didn't live it, needed to relive it. Sorry. Mike Silver's book, the why Is Everything There, was like two chapters dedicated to playing John Wofford at the end of what was it like, the 21. [00:05:25] Speaker A: He was incredible. [00:05:26] Speaker B: They loved him. McVeigh loved him. So for you to comp tie Simpson to, like, crappy version of Wofford, who, by the way, didn't make it, was hilarious. [00:05:37] Speaker A: He's a souped up. He's a souped up John Walford. [00:05:40] Speaker B: Okay, well, that should be Sean McVeigh's guy. That should be Sean McVeigh's guy. So here's what I. Here's what I heard going into the draft. Here's what I had heard going into the draft, that the Rams were infatuated with Ty Simpson and that they were not just blowing smoke, okay? And I had that intel from a. Like, every time I talked to the same person who would know damn well it was not just smoke. They were not playing a game. They were really into him. At least Les was. And a lot of people. And I think Arizona might have thought, oh, they're just doing that to scare us. Because everybody in the league knew that Arizona loved Ty Simpson. So Arizona had multiple deals like the 49ers to get into the bottom of the first round. Now, I don't believe that the Niners and Arizona had a deal, but I do know that Seattle and Arizona had a deal at the bottom of the first round. A lot of things were moving around there. So you could see with all those trades late in the first round, like, those were conversations where you can build off of it, like, hey, we already had this deal with Arizona that's off, so let's call somebody here. We already have the framework in place. This should take 30 seconds. So I was under the impression that Kansas City was moving up. Okay? I thought they were moving up to three. And to be overt, I thought they were moving up for offensive linemen, specifically Maui Noah. I thought There was a 3 and 9 deal done, ready to go. And I actually still believe that that that deal was ready to go between Kansas City and Arizona until Bidwell, the owner of the Cardinals, is like, what do you mean? Jeremiah loves there. He'd be great. I like him a lot. And you'll notice in the Cardinals room, I know that the owners are most of the time in the room. He is dead center in that room. And he does call the shots. This, by the way, is the man who apparently didn't know his quarterback sucked until I told him so in week three or four, whatever that was week three. So. Hi, Tucker. How's it going, by the way? Tucker zoomed in now. So this is all to say that there is. Someone's getting punched in Tempe tonight because people, people in the building in Arizona are pissed. They're pissed because they thought there should be a deal done that they would have Ty Simpson. They had coaches pissed. The people who were on his side and had kind of come to a consensus are pissed. It seems as if Mondy awesome for the GM at the last second sort of just kowtowed to the owner to buy himself another year. And it's not going to buy him another year. And boy, I mean, Jeremiah Love is going to be a nice player. That will be totally irrelevant in this league and because he'll be playing for an Arizona team that won't win football games and man, that situation down there is a mess. That's how the draft started. That's what we had on first off, David Bailey, second pick, not the one I would have made. Not. But okay, that was kind of where it was leaning. And then the third pick is Palace Intrigue. We get to 13, it's Ty Simpson Banks at 1821 is Malachi Lawrence, which, by the way, there was a lot of Malachi Lawrence Love late in the first round. [00:08:54] Speaker A: I, you know, I did appreciate listening to other people who were like, I, I don't get it. He doesn't do it. He like, he doesn't. He's, he's like only a pass rusher who doesn't really. He's not as slick as people think. He's super violent. He has violence, but he can't play all four downs. Right. He doesn't get home the way he should with that violence. Like, I just don't even. To me, he was like a third rounder where you're like, oh, this is a really exciting guy to draft in the third round. You could, you could talk yourself in a round two with the explosion and a weak draft at 21. I frankly think it's absurd. [00:09:27] Speaker B: Well, it's hilarious too, that it's the Cowboys who typically draft extremely well and them getting downs. Yeah, 12 is. That is primo stuff. But then they're like, man, who, what could this team really use after we traded Micah Parsons, who's the closest to Micah Parsons, and it's like, but that's Not Micah Parsons. [00:09:48] Speaker A: And listen, he'll probably work for them, frankly. You know, they've got Christian Parker, who as their new dc, who I like a lot. Like, it'll probably work for them. I just think it will be wildly overdrafting for what Malachi Lawrence is. [00:10:02] Speaker B: Right. And this is the. This is the Pratt years. [00:10:05] Speaker A: Probably. [00:10:06] Speaker B: Probably. Now again, to go off of that Parker coming in. He's coming from an Eagles Vic Fangio system. When they have a pass rusher, that guy is a pass rusher. We're talking like Hassan Redick. We're talking like, you can be itty bitty tiny, doesn't matter can you get home because they're going to line you up way on the outside. But yeah, the Niners avoided that exact same prattful because Malachi Lawrence, maybe there was too much buzz around him and the Cowboys felt like we couldn't wait. But Malachi Lawrence is a second round pick, if we're being generous. Right. I think I had him like 97th on my board, so. But they're like, well, we got to do it. We got to take it now. And the Niners have done this so many times where they're like, ah, it's probably early, but, you know, we believe in our. Yeah, because he's just an edge rusher. Now, to be fair, we have a type, right. Like, we don't agree on all things, but like, we very much have a type when it comes to playing, you know, defensive end. The fact that you put edge on the draft guide kind of pissed me off, if I'm being honest. I know what is edge doesn't mean anything. It's something you do at BYU. [00:11:16] Speaker A: So the reason you do it is because 3, 4 and 4, 3, like it's now one position. As opposed to being like, he's a linebacker. It's like, no, he's a defensive end playing in a 3, 4 system. Can I quickly re. [00:11:29] Speaker B: I've been rambling. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So lynch talking on the. Basically why they did what they did. [00:11:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:11:36] Speaker A: I think it's the way the board fell. There were a couple of few players that we would have taken had they been there. That didn't happen. We had done our due diligence. Probably about this time last week, we started making calls. Hey, we're going to trade back. This is, like you said, a few deals sort of in place. Yeah. I think this was a draft where a lot of people were trying to move back. We had a couple of deals secured. The second deal was from a team we didn't have Secured, but we'd made contact with. We're able to swap a fourth for a third one deal. Pick some things up to move back three spots. They have a good idea of who they might pick if they stay at 33. [00:12:11] Speaker B: Well, there's. And there's a couple of different ways to look at it. First off, they avoided again, the Cowboys pratfall of. Let's stick with our convictions. No, don't. Because you don't have any first round rated players left on the board. So don't take someone in the first round. I know that money shouldn't be really a factor for the San Francisco 49ers, but fifth year options are and we'll talk about that in a second. And paying someone $5 million less just to wait a day is good business. Like, I'm sorry, it is like it's a $5 million difference between 27 and 33. And it's the same player you would have taken at 27 that you're going to get at 33. [00:12:47] Speaker A: I think we need to talk about. I think where. Where our heads both went. So we've been talking about it at 27 and we went. I think they really like a couple guards or maybe just one in particular, but I think one. I think a couple I. One in particular, maybe two. But like Chase Bezondes. Let's just go. [00:13:07] Speaker B: Yeah, let's just call that what it is. Texas A and M guard. My number one guard. [00:13:11] Speaker A: So my number two guard. Um, I just fell in love with pregnant, but he's also 25. And I, I get it. There's. There's. Besantis is a little bit more malleable. I don't think he punches as hard or is as physical, but like, he's got a lot to like and he's very active. Looks for work fits a lot of what the Niners want to do. So I had him in my mock draft. I initially wanted to go at 27 and I went. I can't fathom them taking a guard at 27 because the fifth year option has no value. Again, for those who don't know a lot of people. [00:13:45] Speaker B: Negative value. [00:13:46] Speaker A: It has negative value because guards get looped in with offensive tackles, which totally. It literally makes it worthless. Like, there is no there. There is no value in taking a guard in the first round unless it's someone who's so outrageously good that you just have to get them at that slot. But it's. It's bad. Like, it's negative value. And so it's something where we looked at it and I was like, I just don't see them doing that at 27. And I find a hard time figuring out a trade that gets them to where they want to get to in round two. Now they are in that position where it makes a lot of sense. And so I think it makes a ton. I think Besantis just is like logically. And John lynch, you have to remember at the NFL owners meetings did go. I don't think we're done that. Done done there yet. And that was after they signed, I think. Was it the old. [00:14:37] Speaker B: The former Robert Jones, who I like. Yeah. Who they could be fine with but. [00:14:42] Speaker A: Who they could be fine with. But I think they are smart enough and we'll see if they realize like they need to beat Seattle up front. And I think Kyle Shanahan's smart enough to realize that's how they need to do it. And we'll see. [00:14:54] Speaker B: It's one thing if you get Gray Zable in the first round, if you're Seattle because he changed their offensive line fundamentally. Like he was a true first round graded player. [00:15:03] Speaker A: Also incredibly rare size and athleticism in one. Right. [00:15:08] Speaker B: But when you look at. I'm just looking at the, the 23 first round class fifth year option projection. So like Anton Harrison who plays right tackle for the Jaguars, who's taken at 27, is a $19 million a year player now he's an actual tackle. But if you were a guard or a center, you are now I'm just projecting out, forgive me if this is wrong. You're at like $23 million on your fifth year option. And I know that, you know Linderbaum and all that, like they, they went and got money, but you can't pay a guard that much money unless he's quitting Nelson or I guess unless he's Iowan, which the Ravens decided to do anyway because the Ravens operate on a different game plan than everybody else. And it kind of usually everybody else sort of. Not really kind of sort of works. Maybe. [00:15:55] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe. Should we talk through the other options here at 33? Because. Because I frankly, I think we're on the same page. The way this. Once the naming went, you go, there's no one that you need to have here. There's a lot of different ways you could go that make a lot of sense. And I should mention, like I mocked Brazil at 30. There are some other things I literally, as I wrote it, like, wasn't aware of that. Some teams brought him in because they are doing extra work on Brazil, there's some, like, real concerns. [00:16:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:27] Speaker A: So that's not so much the tape as it is yikes off the field. So I'll leave it there. But at 33, you get in a spot where you have picked up A. At 90, like, that's a solid pick to have. Gives you some maneuverability. With all the fours you have, you pick up a fifth round pick basically doing nothing. So you just go, we didn't like saving money. Saving money. And although it's like on the chart, they're probably like meth value. Those were the deals that were there. And I think you go, whatever we want to get out of this round, we want to get. And the value of having the first pick on day, huge. Where you get all day to shop it, no one can leapfrog you for a full day. Pretty underrated. [00:17:14] Speaker B: So a lot of folks in the comments are talking about Jonathan Gruinard. My understanding as it stands is that Grinard and the Eagles are paired up for pick 54. I don't know if the Eagles actually have traded 54 or not. I didn't loop that back around. [00:17:31] Speaker A: Too many deals to keep track of. [00:17:33] Speaker B: Yeah. By the way, it should be noted we've talked about how 2027 is a big draft. Only one 2027 pick actually moved. It was a seventh rounder between the Eagles and the Dolphins. Like, no one's touching them and they're hoarding them because they know that draft is that much better. Meanwhile, I think lynch even said this. I saw that come across like everybody was trying to move down. So it's not a question of can you get value, it's just can you come out looking even if you get [00:18:00] Speaker A: anything that looks okay. [00:18:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I'm imp. I'm impressed that they were able to trade down twice. I'm impressed that there was enough there that, hey, maybe the last or penultimate guy on somebody's first round board was hanging around so that a team was willing to make that move and go up. Like, it's one thing with Tennessee and getting Keldrick Falk, like, we know Bob Sala has a type which just so happens to kind of be our type as well. But like trading up and getting Keelan Rutledge, if you're the Texans, like, that was. That's a bit much. But, you know, you'd heard they have [00:18:33] Speaker A: this crazy hashtag conviction thing that they do where they like ruined everyone's. Everyone's off season last year. Yeah. Because second rounders, they couldn't decide, so they drafted both Kids from Iowa State at wide receiver. And then they guaranteed them their contracts. And everybody in the NFL, none of the second round picks signed until like training camp was underway. Because the Texans blew everything up. They do. And then they. With all their deals, they had to rewrite both of their contracts because they were like illegal with the extensions they signed where they just give out an insane amount of oil money. Like, kind of insane. And they're like, we do it how we do it. [00:19:11] Speaker B: It's like, well, Nick Casario can tell you the exact stock price of anything at any time, but he's a weird dude, man. [00:19:18] Speaker A: He's a weird operation down there. [00:19:21] Speaker B: Yeah. To say the least, man. They're weird. [00:19:26] Speaker A: Can I. Yeah, yeah. I was gonna go through our best available on the big board. And we have different rankings, but can I just. Where we have them right now? Okay, sure. Best available for on our big board, Chris Brazell, number nine. [00:19:41] Speaker B: That's. I mean, it's a false nine. [00:19:43] Speaker A: To be false. It's a. It's a false nine. If you follow soccer. [00:19:46] Speaker B: Hey, now, [00:19:49] Speaker A: I once. Real quick tangent. I once interviewed a friend, Fred Warner 101, and I was doing like a profile on him a couple years ago. You really. Because I was like, you're gonna be like, you're the most valuable linebacker in the league. It's totally changed. Like talking to him about Trey Greenlaw's left, like, what's all this? I think it was maybe before last season. Can't remember. I don't know what year it is. [00:20:09] Speaker B: It was a couple of years ago for sure. I remember this two years ago, 2020. [00:20:11] Speaker A: Before 2023, I think. And I'd been wanting to bring up this subject that I knew would not hit for anyone but me and you. And I kept calling him. There's this term in soccer, Rome a Rome deuter. It's basically a position that's not a position in German. It means space interpreter. And I'm like, that is what Fred Warner is. He's sort of like a positionless linebacker who's truly playing the position but has reinvented it. And I brought that up to Fred [00:20:38] Speaker B: and he went, sure, yeah, yeah. Fred's such a nice guy. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Moving, moving on. I was like, I tried it. [00:20:46] Speaker B: I've had. I've had so many of those conversations with Fred where, like, I'll posit something I think is really smart. And Fred, like, effectively non verbally, very micro reaction, like, just puts his hand on his shoulder. It's like, if you want to do that, you can. [00:21:04] Speaker A: The Most diplomatic. [00:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:06] Speaker A: Tell yourself whatever you need to, buddy. [00:21:08] Speaker B: It's not wrong. But you know that you shouldn't. Right? Okay. [00:21:12] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:13] Speaker B: And I go, this is my entire shtick, regardless. [00:21:16] Speaker A: So going through the big, big board. Brazil at number nine again as a player. Great, great. Off field concerns. Avion Terrell, number 10, didn't test well. And the corners didn't come off the board. There was Delane and then just Chris Johnson, which I found very strange. [00:21:31] Speaker B: McCoy has. McCoy has some serious questions about the injury. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Serious health concerns. He's the next one at number 14. So, like, Terrell didn't test well. McCoy at number 14, had some health concerns. And then you get to Cold in the hood at number 21, where it's like, okay, anyone in the 20s getting to the third? [00:21:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Colton Hood was. If he was going to get drafted in the first round, it was because some team really, really liked him. Because the consensus was like, this is the definitive second round pick. Like, I don't know what we're doing. [00:21:58] Speaker A: I. I think he's really good. I think taking him in round two is really good value after that. CJ Allen, where you're like, okay, if the Bills don't take him that, then he'll probably go in round two. But like number 25, then you get to Emmanuel Pregnone. I had him at number 27. Cade McDonald, number 28. I think you should take him in round two. And then Zion Young, number 30, Chase Besantis, number 31, Manuel McNeil Warren, 32. Jeremy Bernard, 33. AJ Halsey, 34. All, I think, legitimately solid options where the Niners are. [00:22:35] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:35] Speaker A: So we can rank them. [00:22:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Because. How do I put this nicely? When Thieman went off the board, that's what spurred the 49ers to make the trade with the Dolphins. So that would tell you that they didn't view McNeil Warren as like a first round pick. [00:22:58] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Right. Inherently, [00:23:01] Speaker A: in a way, another tier. [00:23:04] Speaker B: Right. That's kind of where I'm at. I'm not sure they view him as pick 33 either. It feels like that's too. [00:23:12] Speaker A: I kind of don't. [00:23:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I always personally don't, but that's different. [00:23:17] Speaker A: I've always had him, in my mind is like sort of a later second round guy. I think the upside is awesome. Like, if it hits, it's fantastic. And. And I don't want to like, rip on anybody because he's fun. Right. He's. [00:23:29] Speaker B: He's like, he'll be a valuable pro in the Right. System. [00:23:32] Speaker A: He hits people. Like, he can move really well. He's made some awesome highlight reel plays. Like, he's probably one of the most eye catching players. I just don't know that he, like, does the actual job of a deep safety. He's a sick box safety who's, like, really fun and depending on what team you put him on, he could do some really cool stuff. I just don't know that he answers a lot of the questions you have at safety and does what you need him to do. I think AJ Hussley is kind of a better fit for the Niners in terms of like a deep safety who can. Who's heady and can. Has some range and can play the position the way you want them to. [00:24:09] Speaker B: I listen, they could end up taking Emmanuel ward tomorrow at 33. I can't tell you. I don't have intel on that. [00:24:15] Speaker A: They could do anything and I'd be like, sure, whatever. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Well, and that's the beauty of the situation. They could have done anything at 27, but they did the smart thing and said, I can still do anything at 33 and I'm not giving up anything. I don't care about these players that are about to be taken. I wasn't going to take them. So we're good. And, you know, they didn't be like, well, you know, we got to pick, so let's just do it with our convictions. No, they, they tried to extract value from the position that they were in. They didn't just say that the player is more valuable than the position. Again, I just don't think that they view him in the same light that maybe folks on the tweet machine do, because he's. I'll just call it out. I think he's a YouTube all star, and that doesn't mean that he can't be a good player. It's just that his highs are really high. I wouldn't say his lows are very low. [00:25:04] Speaker A: No, there are lows there. I watched him in one game. He's the deep safety, right? [00:25:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:09] Speaker A: He took two angles so horrible that they both resulted in about 70 yard touchdowns in the same game. [00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah, Raheem Morrison could have played that. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Like, I'm. I'm sorry, but like, I watched that and I went, what. What are we talking about? Like, as much as he's sick, I need a safety who's sound like especially for what the Niners need. You need a guy who can play deep, read coverage, communicate very well, and make sure explosive plays don't happen. And then the ball hawking stuff comes because you're heady and you have range. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Think about the safeties that Raheem Morris has employed as, as a secondaries guy his entire career. They're just last lines of defense. That's not to say they don't have more, but they are sound in covering up for other people. They're not out here trying to make their own play. Right. And you think about even going back when he was at the Rams like they bring in Eric Weddle off the street and he made a ton of plays. He made a ton of plays late. But why do you bring in Eric Weddle? Because he, he communicates at an elite level. He's never going to make the wrong read. He make. He has the right lines every time. And that is how the defense is structured. They want the linebackers to fly. They want the linebackers to take care of the second level. They want their corners to play into zone. If you're playing zone, you have to have safeties that don't go out there and try to make the play all by themselves. Just play zone. And, and I don't think Emmanuel Warren is, is a zone safety in the truest sense and I think not in a Cover 4 league. [00:26:44] Speaker A: I think there's a couple other safeties who are heady who will be around a little bit later that you don't need to spend the premium pick on to go and get who is your gut. I think right now I have two guys that I think are most likely for them to take at 33. [00:26:59] Speaker B: And yeah, I think, I think you and I have the exact same list for me. [00:27:03] Speaker A: Santos and Zion Young. I think those are the two likeliest [00:27:06] Speaker B: who we do not have the same list. I think scientists and McDonald. [00:27:10] Speaker A: Ooh. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Just because you can never have too many defensive tackles that are good. You play, you just play the depth game there. You already have your, your firing three technique. You really don't know what Alpha is. Even though you like him. You know what C.J. west is. It's probably not much more than what he already is. Which isn't to say it's bad. It's just to say, I mean you, you need defensive tackles the about this class with defensive tackles. While you and I both kind of like some guys here and there. You can't trust that when you get back around on the clock at 90 or even 127that the guy that you like is going to be there because there is a massive drop off in this class and you know, we're over. Frankly, I think with some of the guys that we liked on day three, we're overlooking some stuff just because there's a lot of really shitty defensive tackles, if I'm being blunt. [00:28:03] Speaker A: I mean, Kane McDonald's tremendous. It certainly helps keep the linebackers clean. Yeah, if you have him and C.J. and Alfred Collins, who again, is recovering from, I think, a torn labrum. It was a shoulder or chest injury. [00:28:19] Speaker B: First it was the feet, now it's the shoulder. [00:28:21] Speaker A: I'm starting to wonder which, again, Caden McDonald is a beautiful specimen, by the way. Caleb Banks and then Peter Woods. Like, I kind of get it with the Chiefs, but, like, I get it with the. I went way downhill on Peter woods throughout the process. I was much higher and it went in a straight line downhill where I was like, his approach is very problematic where he needs to connect, but his arms are stumpier than anybody else's. So it's like you need to attach yourself, but you can't reach. Like, how is that your plan? [00:28:53] Speaker B: I mean, that's. That's such a Steve Spagnolo defensive tackle in a lot of ways. Just, am I in there and am I a scrapper? Now, the issue with woods is, did you see the fight with him all the way through? But when it is on, it is elite stuff. But that's the exact same thing they had with. With Jones when they drafted him. I think he was second, third round. Sorry, I forget the exact number. In fact, there was like a long write up, but it was like, yeah, I don't know. He could be the best, he could be the worst. Now the difference between Banks Banks is clearly he could be the best, he could be the worst. The problem is it's feet. It's injuries. [00:29:28] Speaker A: The fact that his injury at the combine didn't knock him down into third round, I thought for sure he would go like late round two, around three. Because any logical person would say the injury list is way too long at that size. [00:29:43] Speaker B: And he doesn't tackle. [00:29:45] Speaker A: I mean, it's a bad pick. I don't like it could work, but it's an incredibly irrational pick with his injury history. [00:29:53] Speaker B: Like, he's also trade down. You should still get him. Who out here is like, hell yeah, let's do this. This is. This is KOC having extracted all the power and now whatever he says goes. And him and Flores got together and it's like, who's. Who's the highest potential player here? Because you know what? Legitimately not the worst way to play it if you're KOC because it's like, dude, if we don't get mass, if we don't start swinging for the fences here. Yeah. Kyler Banks like, if we don't, I mean, I get big time hits. We're getting fired anyway. [00:30:26] Speaker A: The upside's there. [00:30:28] Speaker B: Double gonna do for me. We're down by three. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:32] Speaker B: Do we think traded down. [00:30:34] Speaker A: I know. Do we think the Niners bridge the gap? So the other thing I wrote was like in an ideal world, which is looking pretty funny, in an ideal world, the Nine or the Niners would trade back from 27 and use one of their fourth round picks to move up and get two picks between say 33 and 50. [00:30:53] Speaker B: Yep. I think that they, I think that would be the most prudent thing to do. But the other, the opposite end of this is what's to say that the, that range is down to like 70 now. Yeah. [00:31:07] Speaker A: Because wait. Yeah. [00:31:10] Speaker B: I thought that once we got into this morass, it was going to be real weird real quick. Apparently again, the morass was earlier because theemon for a lot of teams. And I knew this, but I just thought that there were enough to kind of counterbalance it. Like Thiamen was clearly a second or third round graded prospect for a lot of teams. Not a lot of teams weren't into him. And once he got past the Vikings, who everyone thought was super into him because white safety, I guess though he would have, he would have fit Flores's system very well. [00:31:41] Speaker A: I think he would fit any system, frankly. [00:31:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I think it would have fit the Niners. That would have been a good pick. It would have been a good pick. Wouldn't been a great pick, but it would have been a good pick. Would have been, maybe it would have been a great pick because it's 27. I'm, I, I, I do think that they do the smart thing and try to get back up in there just to make sure that they get two in what is the vat the only value portion of this draft. And that means, you know, getting rid of 179 if you have to. Like, who gives a damn? [00:32:13] Speaker A: I think it's a three tier draft. I think there's like right at the top there's some blue chippers, then a morass like you said, to probably 60ish around there and then it's just whatever. Like I do think this is another tier that we're in right now. I think it's substantially worse and more sketchy, but I think there's some really good players. And then it hits a Certain point where I go. No, not at all. [00:32:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:43] Speaker B: What is that point for you? [00:32:45] Speaker A: We'll see. Well, I think we. [00:32:47] Speaker B: There. [00:32:48] Speaker A: There will be a point. I don't know. It's gonna. It's gonna be dependent on the player who goes way too early. And I think you had it as a Harold Perkins. [00:32:56] Speaker B: Harold Perkins is when the draft kind of ends. I don't think he's part of this morass. I would say that this morass of, like, late the guys who are one twos right into the twos of which I think we had like 30 or 40 of them. There was 16, 17 round one guys and then like 30 or 40 right. Anywhere you want after that total. I think it might be like Jeremy Bernard, Oscar Delp. Maybe Delph's a bit too much of a stretch. Oh, boy. Like a Zeke Wheatley. [00:33:33] Speaker A: Yeah, like. Like once. Once Elijah Surat gets picked. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Yeah. We're into another thing now. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Because. [00:33:42] Speaker B: By the way. [00:33:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know what's going on here. [00:33:44] Speaker B: By the way. Omar Cooper Jr. Going to the Jets. I mean, you're gonna try. You're gonna try it again, huh? You're going for it again. It just. Malachi, really 2.0. [00:33:58] Speaker A: Fair. Better because he's at least bigger and more physical, but, man, [00:34:04] Speaker B: rough. [00:34:05] Speaker A: I did not like what they did. What would we. How about we take David? Oh, man. [00:34:14] Speaker B: Who? The Jets. [00:34:15] Speaker A: The Jets. [00:34:16] Speaker B: Bailey to. [00:34:19] Speaker A: Instead of Arvell Reese, which is like, do you. Do you care? Like, do you want to win? Do you want to even try? [00:34:27] Speaker B: Also, thank God they got. Thank God they got that tight end for Geno Smith to throw to. I know that they have a longer. The irony is they don't really have a wider view because their coach is [00:34:40] Speaker A: getting a foundation to build on. There's no. There's no. It's just cardboard. And then they keep tripping on cardboard and they just put more cardboard down. But it's just a pit. It's just a pit that they keep sliding into. A pit. [00:34:55] Speaker B: That's enough, Jets. [00:34:56] Speaker A: Let's take some questions. Let's actually. [00:34:58] Speaker B: Let's do it. I think. Yeah, I think we've run out. I mean, we have a lot of people with us tonight. I really appreciate it. But also, we don't have that much to get into. Unless you want to keep talking fifth year options, buddy. [00:35:09] Speaker A: Don't tempt me. All right, let's. Let's take a few here. [00:35:13] Speaker B: Just for the record. Just for the record. 3358-901271-33139, 179. With the way that these picks are being valued right now, I think you can take 133 and 179 and pair it with 58 and get yourself into the 40s. [00:35:33] Speaker A: I don't even think you need to put both, frankly. [00:35:36] Speaker B: I mean, I think teams are kind [00:35:38] Speaker A: of desperate to try. I mean, you might only have to use a fourth to get up like say eight picks to 50. Like. Yeah, yeah. But I think you're right. If you want to get up to the 40s, that that might be what it, what it costs. And then you get like a. Another. You get like a six back or something like that. All right, big tone, here we go. Thank you for the draft board format is incredible. Appreciate you. I'm trying to. I have not had a single second but I'm trying to add some cool updates and there will be cool updates especially once the Niners full draft class class is out. [00:36:13] Speaker B: Oh boy. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Niners specific version of it. [00:36:16] Speaker B: If they ever make a pick. [00:36:17] Speaker A: If they ever make a pick. Which who's to say? Well be alive tomorrow. Apologies for jumping the gun, but I've heard, heard rumblings about Chase Wilson. Is he on the radar? Day 3 UDFA he is a linebacker out of West Virginia. Not on the radar, but I appreciate the question and I love shout outs for undrafted linebackers at this stage in the draft because shows your true sicko [00:36:42] Speaker B: and we appreciate that's what we're about here. [00:36:44] Speaker A: The true sickos. The people. The people who are. [00:36:46] Speaker B: You can tell, like tonight was a great night to figure out who isn't a true sicko because not to say that, you know, listen, we can all have our differing opinions and stuff. Like you and I are both very low on Boston. There is some differentiation. [00:36:59] Speaker A: We'll get in. [00:36:59] Speaker B: Yeah, like you like pregnant more than besantis. Like again, it's in the eye of the beholder. Every team has their own board. Every person has their own board. Guys, you're going to pound the table for versus like this is kind of where he's at. But you could just tell who spent 45 minutes on YouTube before the draft. And when the Niners don't take it 27 and they, you know, these people don't get immediate gratification. They're like, oh, this is awful. Like, why wouldn't you take a pick? And then when they trade down to 33, they just lost their minds. Not, not sicko's behavior, in my opinion. [00:37:31] Speaker A: Appreciate the sickos by the way Chase [00:37:33] Speaker B: Wilson, you should look up this guy's mug shot. I'm not going to post. [00:37:37] Speaker A: I saw. [00:37:38] Speaker B: Wow. [00:37:38] Speaker A: I assumed he was from Cal. Anyway, Pregnone and Brazil would be great. [00:37:43] Speaker B: I agree. [00:37:44] Speaker A: The thing, the off stuff, off field stuff with Brazil, I frankly think the Niners are set up better than any team. Depends what the exact stuff is, which I don't know. But like, if. If it's just people really. [00:37:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. [00:37:57] Speaker A: Yeah, if it's just diva stuff, which it seems like it might be much worse, but if it is just dealing with a guy who's a little bit of a diva. The Niners with a wide receiver room that says you're not going to get any targets, like you're going to have to work for everything it can work against. You can work both ways. [00:38:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:14] Speaker A: But I think having Mike Evans in the room, I think is a pretty good situation to put a guy in and say like, you're going to work and you're going to be humble. And again, it depends the type of guy to deal with that. But I think you could look at that in a positive light. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I don't think. I don't think that Pregnon is. I mean, these could be famous last words. I don't think he's in the range of 33 for them. [00:38:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I. I think beside this is more of their guy now. [00:38:45] Speaker B: If they don't take Basantis and you come back with pregn at 58 or you move up a little bit to make sure you get them, like that's [00:38:51] Speaker A: again and again pregnant. Has been in college a long time, so there's some concerns if they do go beside us to 33. I'm all in on trading the second for Greenard. Thoughts? As you talked about, I think it's [00:39:03] Speaker B: already done with the Eagles. Not to say that things can't change, [00:39:06] Speaker A: but that is such an Eagles move, though. They always. [00:39:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Eagles love to trade draft picks for players that can play in the NFL for one year for them, like that's their shtick. It's not a bad move. [00:39:19] Speaker A: Honestly, it's not. Is Boston a bad pick at 33? I know you guys aren't a fan of him. And Warren at 27, curious to draft. Curious if draft position changes opinion. Not a fan either. Fair question. If he falls into. If he's there at 90, sure. I'm dead serious. [00:39:39] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I'm a bit. [00:39:41] Speaker A: I would take him at 90, wouldn't take him sooner. [00:39:43] Speaker B: But let's just be Blunt about where we had him ranked. You had him at 77, I had him at 79. We did not at all discuss our boards in the rankings together. Now, we talked about these players a lot. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I have him, my suit, literally. I have him described as a soft lob threat. By the way, if you're going to be a type of guy like that who plays soft, who gets run out of bounds, whose entire thing is catching the ball and going up and getting it, maybe show that you have. I don't know. He didn't test. He wouldn't run a 40. Like, and I know you don't need to be, but like, you need to be a little crafty. Like you need to have like CARNELL Tate ran a 4 whatever. But he's incredibly crafty and his speed is sufficient. Yeah. He also proved it. He didn't get driven out of bounds play after play after play. I can't deal with Denzel Boston. I hate the way he plays football. He's awesome at going up and getting it and I appreciate that. It's a sick trait to have that has utility, especially at his size. But he feels more like the. The Johnny Whatever guy from Florida State that the Eagles picked up a few years ago. [00:40:48] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:40:49] Speaker A: Johnny Wilson. Johnny Wilson. [00:40:50] Speaker B: Johnny Wilson. [00:40:51] Speaker A: Tall Florida State, like six foot seven guy who is just like a bit player for them, that doesn't really do a ton. Yeah. But at least he was like big in like actually physical. [00:41:02] Speaker B: So anyway, I had him compared to Hakeem Butler for Iowa State. Great. Who I believe plays for the St. Louis Battle Hawks in the UFL. He's killing it, by the way, with Boston. If we do want to encroach as like a day pick a third rounder tomorrow, which I do not believe he'll be around for. Though I do believe that the hype was insane. And I had plenty of people being like, oh, you're way closer on Boston than these folks left, right and center who think he's a first round pick. That's not to say that the Browns couldn't have taken him. Right. Like, like there's always also, like a [00:41:38] Speaker A: lot of people go. And that doesn't mean that because one team valued a guy. [00:41:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:41:42] Speaker A: Anybody else had him on the board that high? [00:41:44] Speaker B: Ty Simpson. Sorry. [00:41:46] Speaker A: So it's go watch that presser when you get a chance after that. [00:41:50] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness gracious. I don't want to get copyrighted. But yeah, yeah, denzel Boston at 90 would be interesting because, and I think I've mentioned this to you before, I think that he could be like a Jawan Jennings, like, slot. Like a third down slot player. Now, he does not carry the same. I mean, it is night and day [00:42:11] Speaker A: in that role, but I hear you on that. [00:42:13] Speaker B: Yes. There's a lot of guys like that. Matt Harmon, reception perception doesn't really. Like, he was all in on, like, there's like, 14 guys who should convert to power slot in this class, which makes Brazil all the more interesting because he's a true X. [00:42:28] Speaker A: Like, Like a very rare clear true X. [00:42:32] Speaker B: So there's just not that many guys. Yeah. By the way, sorry not to do it like Jacoby Lane. I'm higher on Jacoby Lane than Jake. There are some, like, deep concerns with teams about Jacoby Lane. You know when you. You know when you talk about Jay, I don't know if this come across your desk. Like, you talk about a guy a bunch and you're like, I kind of like him. And then people are like. They text you to be like, hey, just wanted to make sure that you feel like an asshole for liking this guy. Because I know this. I know this thing about this guy. And it's like, oh, that's cool. Because we just, like, go off a tape and like, very watch tape. [00:43:08] Speaker A: We don't know who they are as people. [00:43:10] Speaker B: We do not care what breed of dog they have. Is an official motto of this show. And, like, leave that ABC draft crap for somebody else. [00:43:21] Speaker A: Yeah, somebody else can tell us where. You're like, oh, man, you got to cross it off the board. [00:43:25] Speaker B: That's kind of where we're at. So with Lane, there was something like that, and I can't put my finger on it. It's the same way. Same reason that Makai Lemon fell. Like, Makai Lemon had a lot of you and I were not as high on him, but he had a lot of reason to believe that he should go above Jordan Tyson. And then it's like, why are you talking like that? You didn't talk like that in high school. Your family doesn't talk like that. None of your siblings talk like that. Why are you talking like that? Why are you not looking at the camera when they're interviewing you? Live television today. Why are you wearing sunglasses inside? Like, I like wearing sunglasses inside. I feel like the eyes are a window to the soul, and I don't want anyone to see it. [00:44:01] Speaker A: But, like, we went to a concert, and she's like, I'm wearing my shades. [00:44:03] Speaker B: And I was like, good for her. She was high as hell, but respected it. I Mean, yeah, my wife, you know, it's kind of on in the background. She's like, oh, that guy looks really little for being a wide receiver. Which, by the way, elite. Elite commentary. She goes, oh, that guy's a wide shooter. He looks small for a wide receiver. And then I go, oh, just you wait until this interview. And we turned up the volume on it. And she's like, oh, no, this is. No. Like, what is this? Yeah. And that is more or less the scouting report that a lot of teams have where it's just like, what? Then it's not even a negative. It's just like, huh, I don't get it. And I don't want to find out what that's all about. Yeah. So that's why he fell. Good luck with him in Philly. That's going to be a weird one. [00:44:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Jalen Thieman was the guy. You can tell by their presser kind of thing. [00:44:52] Speaker B: He was. He was a guy. [00:44:53] Speaker A: He was. [00:44:54] Speaker B: I think, again, we should be clear about how they were operating at 27. Like, they had a list of like four or five guys, and all four or five of those guys were gone at 27. Like, here are the guys. [00:45:06] Speaker A: The right way to do business is like, all right, if we're 27, we stay. If these guys are gone, we move. And he was probably the last guy on the list. [00:45:14] Speaker B: Probably. Which is. Then they go, hey, Miami, sorry. Sorry to call you last minute, but you know that deal that we had? [00:45:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Can you also throw in a seventh? [00:45:22] Speaker B: No. [00:45:23] Speaker A: Okay. We thought we'd ask. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Yeah, actually. [00:45:26] Speaker A: Actually, we thought about it. The beat writers are going to get too mad at us for having to stay for a seventh round pick. It's not worth it. Never mind. You keep it. They're like, are you sure we can give you the seventh? [00:45:35] Speaker B: No, no. You know what? You guys were so nice as to keep the deal open. Just you hold on to it. [00:45:41] Speaker A: Keep it. [00:45:41] Speaker B: Yeah. What about a 27? Seven? Fuck you. [00:45:47] Speaker A: The last one here from Brad. You sure it won't be a wide receiver first off tomorrow? [00:45:52] Speaker B: No, we're not sure of anything, to be fair. [00:45:54] Speaker A: Not sure of anything. I. I think, frankly, Bernard is probably the more logical answer there. I don't like him at 33, but in Brazil. Yeah, I think it's a little early. And what do we think of that? Fifth rounder is definitely a running back. And you think they'll package 90 and 137 to move up? So. [00:46:12] Speaker B: Good question. [00:46:13] Speaker A: I don't know. When they take a running back But I do think they take one. I think they have to take a running back and I think there will be plenty available during their fourth round window and fifth round. I think they might use one of their fourth round picks just to be a little safe before it gets a little squirrely. [00:46:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's probably right. I set this out to a couple people who I trust in this, where as soon as Price went off the board at 32, meaning the last pick, I said, we're not going to see another running back taken until like mid round four. And not universal. Yes. But enough. Yes. Where it's like, yeah, probably. [00:46:52] Speaker A: I think the most logical one. [00:46:54] Speaker B: Who's the next running back off the board? [00:46:56] Speaker A: Singleton, I think. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Okay. [00:46:58] Speaker A: I think Singleton, because he's got size and pop, is intriguing, or somebody's going to fall in love with Mike Washington and just take him in, like round two, even though he's not a good football player. As I've been on the record. No, I'm not. [00:47:14] Speaker B: You know, it's so funny. I feel like Mike Washington is almost like a psych. Like a psyops. Is that the phrase? Like psyop? Yeah, psyop. Where people, the draft guys really like him. But I can't seem to find any evidence that any teams feel the same way as the draft guys. [00:47:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:33] Speaker B: At all. Like, I mean, he's a buzzy name, except I don't play football well. [00:47:39] Speaker A: He's just really large and really fast, which can maybe work. Could probably work better than Isaac Garendo. [00:47:47] Speaker B: Well, you know, can't divide by zero. But there's also, like, this is maybe an interesting illustrative point. Like, draft guys, and you and I are very much included in this, are much more about measurables. We prefer measurables because when you go with measurables, you have this higher chance of it looking really, really good down the line. Like, if you find enough tape and then you have these elite measurables, you're like, George Kittle 2.0. Everyone's chasing George Kittle. Teams don't really think that way, which is why George Kittle in the first place was able to go in round five. Like, teams are like, yeah, but his tape sucks. Like, coaches get involved in this, they don't care what the measurables are. They only care about how good they play football. It's the scouts and the analytics department and the GM's job to come in and be like, yeah, but projectability. Kyle Shannon doesn't give a damn about projectability. What are you going to do for me in like the next two years on a basic plan of playing football. Like, they don't care about. They don't think big picture like that. So that I do think about their fantasy profile either. No, they do not. Though you should at stickers football. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Yeah, you should. There's going to be more good stuff. You think they'll package 90 and 137 to move up? I don't know if it'll be those picks. I do think there will be a point where they go, yeah, we gotta do this. Let's. Let's go. There's a guy that shouldn't be there. Like, we haven't graded as a second rounder and we even graded it like 45 overall and it's picked 79. All right, let's. Yeah, go something like that last one here because it's been a long night. Even though. Oh, yeah, the Niners didn't make a pick. Remember to post your reaction after they take Denzel Boston. I think Dieter. Dieter can do that for you. [00:49:37] Speaker B: Yeah, Jake has, like, friends in town and he has to go do some sort of. [00:49:41] Speaker A: No. [00:49:41] Speaker B: That Family retreat. [00:49:43] Speaker A: No, no, we'll. We'll. We'll figure out why. [00:49:45] Speaker B: Well, we'll figure it out. [00:49:46] Speaker A: I mean, I don't know what picks they have to make picks to Warren, [00:49:49] Speaker B: but, you know, Jake has to step away for day two of the draft. His family really needs him. Sorry, I'm just making a Mike Bravel joke. It was funny. We're having fun. Having fun. I was having fun with all of my friends who are all off camera. [00:50:06] Speaker A: On that note, I can't do tomorrow Sicko's football. We're going to update it with some cool stuff. We will talk to you tomorrow. And hopefully the 49ers will actually make a draft pick. [00:50:18] Speaker B: Or not. I mean, it would be good and be in their best interest. [00:50:20] Speaker A: It would be more interesting if they just didn't make a pick. Anyway, I appreciate you folks. Appreciate all you new folks. Again, pass and go subscribe to the Hutch report for free. And go read me talking about who I think they're going to draft anyway. Appreciate it. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Sicko staff football. Talk to you tomorrow. Bye. [00:50:35] Speaker A: See you folks.