Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreigner and Hutch just trying to survive.
What is a torrent, a torrent of news. We will get to the 49ers game that they played.
They played a football game yesterday.
[00:00:20] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:00:21] Speaker A: We are not going to get to it anytime soon because Doogie Howser GM is. Is going ham.
He's going for it.
There's a big injury.
There's. What else do we have? I mean, other trades. We got to get into possible
[00:00:38] Speaker B: speculation.
[00:00:39] Speaker A: Specul. Oh, boy, do we have speculation. We have a lot of possibilities on the schedule just changing for the 49ers. I was just talking to a buddy and he's like, I think the Niners might get flexed twice towards the end of the year, both good and bad.
And then, oh yeah, Brandon Iuke's back on the team.
So let's start with the IUK of it all. He had the meeting on Friday with Drew Rosenhaus where he showed up in obvious business casual attire, headphones and a sweatsuit.
They met with the Niners. They didn't have immediate resolution at that moment. Apparently the resolution has come today to at least a degree in which IU
[00:01:22] Speaker B: wasn't that irrelevant to. To the 49ers. And that resolution, like he just had to submit paperwork to be reinstated.
[00:01:31] Speaker A: Yeah, but the reason they were meeting with the Niners is over the reported 13 million that's still owed. And that is not resolved. But there was a belief, at least in conversations that I was having. And all of this is very.
I mean, it's very opaque. It's very like no one really knows.
[00:01:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:01:52] Speaker A: I don't even know who's in the room to, like, specificity. Like, I don't know if John lynch was in that meeting. So all of this is uncharted territory, certainly for me, for a lot of people and Frank, everyone I've talked to, it's uncharted territory.
There's obviously a lot of soap opera.
There's a lot of hurt feelings going in all directions. And one side I believe is justified, the other isn't. Not to come across full, you know, water carrier.
So today IUK was placed on the. Well, he was reinstated to the league and he was put onto.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: There's like a two week roster exemption.
[00:02:37] Speaker A: Correct. Two week roster exemption. So. So as I control effed the bejesus out of the CBA today, here's what we can tell you. And perhaps some of this applies.
Any prorated bonus money will count against the cap.
That is in all likelihood not an issue for the 49ers because the prorated Bonus money, which is effectively signing bonus has been theoretically my understanding is it's still not a factor that he's
[00:03:10] Speaker B: think any of this really affects the cap situation for
[00:03:14] Speaker A: now for the next two. Yes. Yeah.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: Yeah. I and I think realistically it's mostly actually them getting paid back by him and seeing if they can navigate away where it's like, oh well, he hasn't paid us back.
Like let, let's see how we can navigate this again. It's getting very in the weeds, but continue.
[00:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So if there was signing bonus, signing bonus money, signing bonus, if any of that was still in play, that would immediately count against the cap. And I only mention this because the Niners would sure like to have a pretty good understanding of their cap situation before 1pm Pacific tomorrow.
I don't know what, you know, just good to know how much money you have to spend when you're going out and trading draft picks and bringing in salary.
So that, you know, kind of a pain in the ass if you are on the exemption list as a late arrival, which I think is probably the, the kindest way of describing what Brandon IUK has done.
[00:04:13] Speaker B: So there are so many lists by the way. It's like they just invent a new one anyway.
[00:04:18] Speaker A: Kinda. I mean, I didn't know about the, whatever list he was the NLI or
[00:04:22] Speaker B: team reserve left team, who
[00:04:24] Speaker A: knew that existed.
So basically he's not going to get paid. He doesn't count against the cap. They are, they maintain in a state of limbo with just procedural advancement in IUK now being on this exempt list. But in two weeks it does seem as if, you know, something's going to have to happen in that they cut him or they find a new list or something. And, and at that point now we're getting into, we're getting into some stuff that's well above my head and frankly we're probably already there with, with a lot of this. Nothing, nothing functionally changes. But this is now the start of what I have described as the pain in the ass stage of getting Brandon Iuk off your team. And it sure doesn't seem like it's going to be a straightforward process at all.
So that's
[00:05:15] Speaker B: going to be a nightmare. It's going to be a nightmare anyway.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
Okay. In the meantime, the Jacksonville Jaguars traded and let's just go through what the Jacksonville Jaguars did today with James Gladstone
[00:05:28] Speaker B: for context. They lost Davon Hamilton, who was like their linchpin gap plugging nose tackle. Right. And they said that's a real problem. We're really good, but that's a real problem.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: And so what they went out and did. And we can do this in somewhat of an order though. I.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:05:47] Speaker A: they traded the second and a fifth to the Falcons for Jesse Bates.
That's an overpay in my estimation. But they went and did it. But
[00:05:55] Speaker B: he had a really nice interception against the 49er.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: Against the Niners. He looked great. And we talked about this on the stream last night with the audience, like people that go get baits. And I'm like, I think that'd be a mistake. But also the Niners would probably be like, oh yeah, Jesse Bates kicked our ass. Like, let's go get that guy. They were never getting up.
[00:06:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Again, one of those guys were like, as his speed and whatever diminishes, it's okay because like mentally he's still so sharp.
So he makes up for. But he is like 30 and not gonna. You're not gonna like really get those compex back in any way. It's a lot. It's a lot.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Put a pin in the mentally sharp thing because we will talk about that when we finally get to this tape.
They trade a second and fifth for Jesse Bates.
Then they traded a six round pick that doesn't currently exist.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Right. For
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Devon. Go show God. Show how do you.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: God Shaw.
[00:06:47] Speaker A: Gotcha. Thank you.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Who used to be on the Patriots. He used to be really good and then was really bad and then maybe might be good again.
Real snip snap, snip, snap energy.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: As someone who gets traded for a sixth round pick that doesn't exist, does it? So this is
[00:07:03] Speaker B: like, that's. I've never read that before. Can we.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: So
[00:07:07] Speaker B: the, the national guys who just like state things that are insane and they're like, this is what I've been told. It's totally normal. It's like you have you. I know you don't abide by like any real like traditional journalistic code, but like maybe just as a human person being like, it is a little strange. I know they just like present things as this is what the thing is. But it's like that has. Is there precedent for that?
[00:07:31] Speaker A: Not to my understanding. So
[00:07:33] Speaker B: maybe
[00:07:35] Speaker A: this is
[00:07:35] Speaker B: like a player to be named later and then no player gets named later.
[00:07:39] Speaker A: A draft pick to be named later. So if the Jaguars somehow acquire a 6th round pick, they have to give it to the Saints.
Why would they go and do that now when it will be next year's sixth round pick?
[00:07:50] Speaker B: I don't, I don't, I Actually don't understand it at all.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: I mean it's pretty straightforward
[00:07:55] Speaker B: I think. You know what, it's
[00:07:56] Speaker A: a conditional pick they don't
[00:07:59] Speaker B: have.
It's if they get you know like this off season, if like a coach, if, if they get like a comp pick that turns out to be six rounder. I think that's what it is.
[00:08:11] Speaker A: Yeah. I was just unaware that you could trade things that you don't have.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. They showed them the chart. They showed them the projected comp pick chart and they went you could maybe get this one if like they do the math right. We can't promise it to you, but like sure.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: How much do you trust the over the cap guy?
[00:08:29] Speaker B: And then they went, oh, they don't have a, they don't have a compact guy so we can just show them whatever chart we want.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: The Saints probably don't. Mickey Loomis never invested in the compact guy. And then oh yeah, they traded the first and a second round pick to the Eagles for Jordan Davis.
The Jags are going for it. You got to appreciate, you got to appreciate the stones. I here was my initial thought. A lot of people have given less sneed the them picks title. What if it was Doogie Howser GM this whole time?
[00:08:57] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:08:58] Speaker A: Don't remember. Don't forget he traded two first. He traded. Well used a first round pick and traded a first round pick to get Travis Hunter.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: They, they've been
[00:09:07] Speaker B: really good. It's just he's off.
[00:09:10] Speaker A: What who's to say?
[00:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:09:12] Speaker A: he's a very good corner and they, they have figured out ways to get him the ball. I do
[00:09:16] Speaker B: respect it though and I think you made a very apt point that rarely gets talked about in terms of they almost lost both coordinators last year.
[00:09:25] Speaker A: They should have lost both coordinators last year but the NFL isn't forward thinking enough.
[00:09:29] Speaker B: Right. And so they're going to lose at least one, probably two.
And so this is sort and everyone like it always happens and then you like get worse. You just get worse.
Especially the first time it happens. Teams like tend to get better over time figuring out like how to actually replace talent. But the first time it happens you get screwed. You get rocked
[00:09:50] Speaker A: for sure.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: And so like that in and of itself and having the roster and I think they are the best team in the afc. Agreed.
[00:09:58] Speaker A: Well right now I think the one seat is the Broncos.
So yeah, they might be the best team in the afc.
[00:10:04] Speaker B: The Broncos are awesome because they play the same game every time where you're like this sucks. And then they just win. You're like, I hate watching this. Bonix makes me disgusted.
And they just, they just like pull it out. It's incredible.
[00:10:19] Speaker A: Grant Udinsky is almost certainly going to be a head coach. I'd put that at like a 90% chance. Anthony Campan. Campan Alley. I'm terrible.
Campanile. Thank you. With the most direct way to pronounce. That is very, very good. And I do think an enterprising team would make that move. But defensive coordinator Jackson, is Jacksonville like an elite defense? I think they're very well coordinated. I think
[00:10:45] Speaker B: they are.
[00:10:45] Speaker A: No, listen, the deeper they go in the playoffs, the easier this becomes. But
[00:10:52] Speaker B: also Josh Heinz Allen is due for like eight sacks. He's like one of those guys where it's like, you know when you watch a soccer match that ends like Neil nil, but like the expected goals is like four. He's like that sort of player where you're like, why does he not like, they, they gotta, they gotta. Ross.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: There's a regression to the mean situation about to happen.
[00:11:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:09] Speaker A: So, yeah, you lose both of your. I mean, in all likelihood, you lose both of your coordinators. I put it at a better than 50% chance. And so you also look at where you're at. The fact that you've been able to draft exceptionally well at deep places. You've spent pretty much your free agent money. You already have your quarterback under contract.
There's always some more moves that can be made. But like, it does feel as if it's, it's not now or never, but this is as good of a shot as they have. And Gladstone's feeling himself. He's like, I could, I could do this forever, baby. I could do this
[00:11:46] Speaker B: forever. Before, like, let's do it. It's not even a joke. Like, this is just. You're in Madden and you're like, you know what?
I need a big guy just to like plug the run. Let me go get Jordan Davis.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:57] Speaker B: Like,
[00:11:59] Speaker A: it's, it's, it's, it's impressive. And I think that, you know, even after I spent an hour and 15 yesterday being like, the Niners do need to do something.
Niners adjacent to all in to recognize. Yeah.
[00:12:13] Speaker B: Feels like almost an equivalent of like a Rudy Gobert trade.
You
[00:12:17] Speaker A: know, you're talking the full Tim Connelly.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Where they're just like, let's go get, let's go get a bunch of picks. We're gonna get Rudy Goberta. Shore up our defense. Big guy in the middle.
Even Though there's some question marks there,
[00:12:31] Speaker A: it does feel like a Rudy Gobert. How did that work out for Minnesota? I believe they just made a Lamello ball trade, which is the inverse of a Rudy Gobert trade.
[00:12:40] Speaker B: Yeah, Rudy Gobert will play, like, one game. You're like, oh, no. He's actually still really sick at defense. And then most games, you're like, this is the worst player I've ever watched in my life. Has he ever played basketball before? He took a three with, like, 20 on the shot clock. Really? Anyway,
[00:12:56] Speaker A: he was open for good reason. So, yeah, Jacksonville's going for it. Some other trades that have happened. Andre Cisco goes to the Lions for a sixth.
That might have been a missed opportunity for the Niners. If the price could have been equal, I would have never given up. I mean, it's easy for me to say now, like, I wouldn't have given up a fifth for Andre Cisco, but I've always been.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Always been like, andre Cisco could be a nice little ad, but he's always, like, available in the off season. The No1 signs him, and then he's like a good trade candidate. And you're like, he's still good. Safety is just a weird position where everyone's like, oh, wait it out. And then he'll cost $3 on the cap.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: He's the Louisa rise of safeties.
And then just to quickly run through the trades that we've already seen. J.J. mcCarthy to the Giants, that's paid off in big way. Joey Porter to the Cowboys, not so much. Cam Jurgens to the Ravens. The. By the way, the Eagles are just sitting. I think they have 10 picks now. They're just stockpiled.
Howie is nailed.
[00:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah. 10 in the first and second rounds over the next three years.
[00:14:02] Speaker A: It's not gonna bone. Well,
[00:14:04] Speaker B: wait till
[00:14:04] Speaker A: they trade
[00:14:05] Speaker B: Jalen hurts.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And they will.
Wait until the. The. Oh, boy. They could go and get a quarterback.
Wait until the.
The Niners really should go all in now.
You better get a ring out of this weird scenario that's unfolding across the
[00:14:27] Speaker B: nfc. At minimum, make sure you get the one seed.
[00:14:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:14:32] Speaker B: That Vikings game is so, so massive.
[00:14:37] Speaker A: I mean, the Vikings might add a quarterback in the next 23 hours.
Like that. That's the equal. Insane. Like, oh, this Viking game is massive. It's like, does the Vikings offense put any fear into you at. No.
[00:14:51] Speaker B: No,
[00:14:51] Speaker A: they don't have a quarterback. And so the. This is a weird league right now. It's a weird league right now. And the Niners baseline level of competence where they can.
Externally, you never hear them bitching about their injuries. That's what we do. That's what, you know, the audience does. Just bitch about the injuries all day, every day. Which to be fair, worthy of bitch.
[00:15:15] Speaker B: Agree
[00:15:15] Speaker A: is like they just maintained in every other team. You know, the Rams are cooked. Stafford has like one completion over 20 yards this year.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: Is that true?
[00:15:28] Speaker A: Yeah, like air yards. Like he just has.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: Well, we, we haven't mentioned it. Puka just exploded.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: Oh, right.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:15:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it's all done. Can you read off the injuries
[00:15:38] Speaker B: and MCL and PCL sprain and a turf toe injury. That is not to even mention the pre hernia that sidelined him earlier in the year.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Sorry, I shouldn't laugh.
[00:15:52] Speaker B: But also like insane. They haven't really mentioned a timeline because there's just so much trade stuff going down that yeah, he's going. He's gonna go on ir. It's unclear how long he'll miss. He'll probably come back because that's like what he does.
[00:16:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: Even though that sounds like a very season ending situation,
[00:16:12] Speaker A: I wouldn't be shocked if the Jaguars sent Brian Thomas to the Rams in the next.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: That's a very Ramsey move. I just do not see that for the Niners even remotely. Like, I don't think that fit makes sense.
[00:16:25] Speaker A: No,
[00:16:26] Speaker B: no.
[00:16:26] Speaker A: Kyle Shanahan would never. With Marvin Harrison and him, they don't go over the middle. They have alligator arms. Like that's a non starter for guys.
[00:16:34] Speaker B: You're just like not committed to the whole thing of like blocking and doing all the dirty work and like being prepared to die
[00:16:42] Speaker A: if they, if they need someone to do a clear out route. That's what Jacob cowing is for.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Brought IUK back just to block.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: They're not going to. But like.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: No, I know.
[00:16:55] Speaker A: Again, if we're doing Madden, sure.
Like
[00:16:59] Speaker B: yeah,
[00:16:59] Speaker A: sure.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Just put him at tight end, turn him into Cooper Cup.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: Just insert, block him every play.
How's your knee feeling? Doesn't matter. Go in there and block.
Yeah, we're just gonna put you as the tight. The tight slot. No
[00:17:12] Speaker B: block, no rock. Brandon.
They have like a weird incentive where it's like depending on how many blocks he successfully pulls off, the less he owes the 49.
Anyway.
[00:17:25] Speaker A: He's paying them back in installment plans and the installment is in fact blocking.
Yeah, Pancakes. Pancakes. To pay off your debt. It's like a
[00:17:33] Speaker B: debt forgiveness plan based on blocking.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Terrible interest rate.
You were saying right before we came on DeForest Buckner looking like an absolute a Steal for the niners for a 4
[00:17:45] Speaker B: pick. He looked good. He looked good. He
[00:17:47] Speaker A: looked good. Yeah.
[00:17:48] Speaker B: One immediately. They're double teaming him. OSA looked phenomenal. Not. Not just a coincidence.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: Got a lot more one on ones that he's used to.
That's nice. Yeah. Yeah. I thought Buckner was really good. I don't. And also I thought Bose was good. People were complaining like he wasn't.
You don't think he was good?
[00:18:07] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no. I. I don't understand where they were coming from. Like I would say that when they only had three offensive plays for the first 20 minutes of the game.
Yeah. Not a great sample size to work off of with Bosa, but I think a lot of people were looking at the fact that they didn't have any sacks. And I mentioned this last night, so I
[00:18:26] Speaker B: won't. He also got the pressure on that, like pick six that Cousins threw away.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: He was in Cousins his lap. And Cousins is wearing at least two flak jackets. I mean, he is
[00:18:36] Speaker B: looks.
He looks like Zachary Levi playing Kurt Warner where he's wearing like cereal, like boxes of cereal as pads for his shoulder pads. Where he's playing Kurt Warner in that, like Hallmark, like made for TV movie. Kirk. I've never seen so much padding on a quarterback.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: He wasn't. Maybe
[00:18:59] Speaker B: that's why he's like not launching it to Trey Tucker that often because he physically can't. By the way, there was like a clear, like, easy touchdown to Trey Tucker where Upton Stout had that awesome breakup on Brock Bowers early on. And then Diamador Lenore is like, hey, man, what play were we running? Because I thought you had him and I sure didn't. I
[00:19:19] Speaker A: did not
[00:19:20] Speaker B: have Trey Tucker and he was
[00:19:21] Speaker A: wide
[00:19:21] Speaker B: open. And Kirk did it multiple times where he's like, I am only throwing it to Brock Bowers, which is great for my fantasy team.
[00:19:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: But a little bit questionable for their offense,
[00:19:32] Speaker A: I found. Let's just get into it. We'll come back to flex. Flex alert later.
The secondary's lack of communication in this game. Here's the only deference I'll give to it.
Clint Kubiak can draw up some pretty diabolical pass plays
[00:19:55] Speaker B: for sure.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: I don't think that that is.
I don't think he's operating at full capacity right now based on what they have going on. And we obviously don't know the play call and like their inherent concepts because Kirk Cousins doesn't allow you to really get a read on that sort of a thing as of late.
But what he would do in Seattle is like, in the second half, they would run the same play they ran in the first half, but this time, JSN does a different thing.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: And the defense, obviously the defense is a reactionary thing. And they would be like, okay, we've seen this before. Okay, we're not going to fuck it up this time. And then JSN just goes the other way, and they're like, oh, no.
Except in the case here, they didn't have a read on it the first time, and it pretty much looked like all the same stuff the second time.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:20:45] Speaker A: The community did every single passing play for the Raiders end with Niners looking at each other and being like, no, you're supposed to do that. And I know
[00:20:54] Speaker B: all of the safeties looked uncomfortable to me. Every single one of them. I mean, the Brock Powers touchdown. I think it was cover four.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: Yeah,
[00:21:03] Speaker B: maybe. No, no. I was thinking of. There was an underneath route where there were. A couple of times. It was. Mustafa and Jair were the worst combo where there's an. It was cover four, and there's an underneath one. And I think Mustafa's on the right, Jair's on the left. And Mustafa is like, all right, he's coming into your thing. And Jair is like, no, you got him. Because he's breaking. He's already breaking, so you should. You should drop and take that. And then they don't communicate it. And then the touchdown where Jair's underneath and Mustafa has to cap Trey Tucker, he has to stay over the top. His. Trey Tucker's. Trey Tucker. And so he doesn't get to break on it. Maybe he's shading too far that way. I kind of don't think he is. And Jair's way too slow because he can't pedal and he can't move.
Looks. Looks bad. And they need to just make a decision on what the pairing is and say, we're doing this even if it doesn't work. We're just using this because these guys are uncomfortable and they don't really.
There's not a feel.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: Yeah,
[00:22:02] Speaker B: they tried every pairing. I'll give them credit for trying. Every parent. Good game to try every pairing. I will say,
[00:22:07] Speaker A: yes. I. I think that. I don't. I don't
[00:22:09] Speaker B: fault that process.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I would.
I would also say that the outside corners had a really rough game as well.
Not as overtly.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: It's funny, though. It's not. It's like, Trey Tucker's actually pretty good.
Yeah. Like. But
[00:22:26] Speaker A: they don't know what he was about.
Like,
[00:22:29] Speaker B: yeah,
[00:22:30] Speaker A: they would let him get over the top.
[00:22:31] Speaker B: They got. He didn't like, wasn't like they allowed like an insane amount of separation. It was a lot of, like, close ones.
But yeah, no, they, they definitely got beat. Especially they do the thing all the time where there's like a seven yard completion underneath where they're just like playing 18 yards off and that happens.
[00:22:49] Speaker A: Why didn't Fred fix it?
I'll also say Stout. I mean, Stout was coming on and off the field constantly because his arm was dangling off of the. The joint.
They didn't have a backup for him.
Great job, everybody.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: Sneet Hobbs coming back or does he exist?
[00:23:09] Speaker A: I don't know. He might be kind of a huge. Kind of an.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Actually a huge deal.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: Kind of like. You should probably have a really good read on that by Tuesday because you don't have a backup nickel right now. You played a game with Stout as an emergency backup nickel against Atlanta.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: I'll be honest.
Like, adding a premium player in the secondary, I don't even care what position it is, is like, probably the best move they could make. Agreed. I. I think even without Halton, that's a problem for sure.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:42] Speaker B: But I think it's something they can survive. I think they expect west back later in the year. He was not good at the start of the year. I think what they'll ask of him is a lot less than what they asked of him at the start of the year.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: It
[00:23:54] Speaker B: will also give him time to ramp up and ideally get back in shape, not be dealing with a knee injury. So I think that role of like, Gap plugger.
[00:24:03] Speaker A: Yeah,
[00:24:03] Speaker B: I, I would feel decent about that if west is coming back, but I think, like, I, I don't know who you could get, but I would say secondary.
I don't know what piece it is. You could, you could make an argument for a corner, an outside corner,
[00:24:18] Speaker A: an
[00:24:18] Speaker B: inside corner, because you could say, all right, we'll just move Lenore to nickel if Stout's hurt.
That. That would be, I think, kind of the most consequential ad. Unless you were to go out and get like another number one wide receiver or a really good. A secondary tight end, because you could make a case for those two.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: Cool. Both of those are where I prioritize. And yeah, I mean,
[00:24:40] Speaker B: I think that's the most logical place to go. I'm just saying secondary, I kind of a huge need. But you also, you also can convince yourself you have enough. It just needs to get Better, which it's halfway through the season and it's not getting better. So
[00:24:53] Speaker A: I'm not even advocating that the Niners go out and get a clear cut starter. I just think that they need to do is make sure that the floor of this roster is better insulated for football and football in December and January.
And when I talked about this last night, like, my idea was, okay, can you get by with just Kittle and Feral? Absolutely. You've been doing it all season.
But what happens if George Kittle is in the blue tent? Not like fully injured, but just like not in for a series?
Are you just conceding a series because you can't do your two tight end stuff with a fullback?
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Like, you could go pick up like, you'll pick up like Rasul Douglas for like a seventh round pick
[00:25:35] Speaker A: again, I'm with you.
And then the same, the same argument with, with say like secondary. And maybe
[00:25:42] Speaker B: you couldn't, but who knows?
[00:25:43] Speaker A: Well, corner safety, nickel, any of those three, because Lenore has versatility, though none of them have versatility to go back. Um, it's, it's.
I would, I would, I would get a backup nickel. I would go get Sandra still, because I think he can fill in at nickel. I think he can fill in on the outside.
I think he's a much better nickel than he is outside. But like, push comes to shove, what you're avoiding is worst case scenario, like, I'm a big
[00:26:12] Speaker B: back. Isaac Yadam.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe. What's Rock Yassin? Oh, he's starting. Oh, okay.
So it's, it's. I'm of the mindset of, okay, you are in a critical game and someone goes down. What is your level of fucked?
And as we saw against Washington, it's like, okay, you're in a critical game and Stout went down.
[00:26:37] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:26:37] Speaker A: you're fucked.
[00:26:37] Speaker B: Also, Renardo and Lenore both got hurt in that game. Like, they both came out at various points.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: And that's not going away.
[00:26:45] Speaker B: No,
[00:26:45] Speaker A: it will, it will come off the injury report at some point, but they're not healed. That's not how this works at week nine and in the other aspect of this is you barely practice from this point on. Like once, once the sun goes away, like, you don't really practice anymore. You just mend your body and talk about what you're gonna do.
And so this is kind of the last go. The idea of what this team did last year, which was, oh, we'll find guys off the street and we'll play them at critical positions in a playoff game because something didn't go right for us. Like, that can't fly. Like, that's just not an acceptable answer. And in the secondary right now, okay, you have three safeties. None of them have established themselves. We all know where you and I lie on what we would do.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: But, like, none of them impressed me this last week.
[00:27:34] Speaker A: No, no, no. Like, Siegel had every opportunity to just take a job and run with it, and he's like, not for me.
[00:27:41] Speaker B: Yeah, there was like a Trey Tucker out where he was just way too late to trigger on it. I was like,
[00:27:45] Speaker A: totally.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: That's. That's you.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: But if I'm looking at.
If I'm putting on offensive coordinator hat and I'm looking at this Niners defense and I'm watching this tape, I'm going, oh, they have no communication or understanding on this back end. And I'm going to attack them with three and four wide sets again and again and again. And I'm going to force Renardo Green to be impeccable on every snap, which he won't be. I'm going to attack Lenore with the body and make him commit fouls. I'm going right at Stout. I'm dragging Stout all around the field because he just cannot keep up. He just can't. And
[00:28:23] Speaker B: anytime Jair is, like, playing in that hole where he's like, robbing, I'm. I'm like attacking him because he. Once he goes down, like, he can't pedal
[00:28:32] Speaker A: no 100%. And then I'm trying to bring. I'm trying to get Mustafa out in space. Not that he's bad at it, but he's much better, much better in the box than he is there. Like, I don't want him anywhere near the ball carrier if I'm running the ball. And then with Siegel, I think you're attacking him straight on in the same way that we saw last year with that itty bitty receiver from the Bucks where it's like, it's cover four. You're running right at him at the seam and you're trying to get him to make the wrong move because he gets that Jair paralysis by analysis thing going on.
It's all. It's all an issue. And. Okay, then we get into just sort of, again, worst case scenarios. You're buying insurance here, and, you know, the premiums aren't that expensive, but they could really pay off in a big way if something goes bad. Okay. Lenore and Green both have things that aren't going away.
Your only backup corner right now is Ephesians Price Hock. And I know he made a nice play in the fourth quarter of a game against the Raiders.
Do you want him on the field at any point in a playoff game? Do you feel good about that?
[00:29:35] Speaker B: No,
[00:29:35] Speaker A: probably not. If you do more power to you, you're going to probably die by your own. Get hoisted by your own petard there or not. Maybe it all works out great for you. Are you going to trust Jair Brown, who has made the same mistakes for the last two and a half years, to just suddenly click in
[00:29:52] Speaker B: who even
[00:29:53] Speaker A: if
[00:29:53] Speaker B: he reads it right, it just can't move quick enough to cover in key situations.
[00:29:58] Speaker A: They clearly don't trust Siegel. Like, we've now had two defensive coordinators that are like, yeah, we see the upside. We're just not going to play them all that much.
[00:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, he's coming back from an injury and they're like, I think they're just testing everything, but I don't think they trust any of them right now. I think they trust Jair to know the plays more than anyone, but he can't. He just physically can't do it.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: And along those lines, I mean, they keep Jair back there for communication.
And again, like, where was the communication in this game? Who was out here actually signaling? I mean, it was. It was really
[00:30:32] Speaker B: Mustafa look like they'd never been on the same field at certain times where it's like, have you guys never practiced running cover four together?
Because that's. It's what it looked like. And it's funny. Like, the spacing in Cover 4 is actually like innately a problem because it's like, well, we have a bunch deep, but like, who goes and who. And it gets really funky until you think you're actually like protecting deep. And it actually makes it harder in some ways
[00:30:55] Speaker A: and there. And obviously cover four is the thing right now in the league, and everyone's seen two high safeties for about a year and a half pretty consistently now.
And so now defenses are having to add wrinkles. And we're seeing some teams invert their safeties on cover four to basically match mesh routes and crossing routes over the middle to where the safeties don't just stand landmark. They in fact dive on both of those routes. Like, they can't do that stuff because they don't communicate and they don't. They don't have the baseline yet. It's weak. They're going into week 10.
They don't have baseline secondary play yet. I'm not saying Raheem Morris is a bad coach. Like I'm not saying that I think he's a very good coach. The fact that they can't at his thing. They can't get to a baseline level of acceptability and in fact it's getting worse. Indicates it might be a personnel issue back there. And safety is our destiny. And we talk. I talked about this last night on the stream. It's like, well, who do you go get? Well, there's not a lot of bad teams with good safeties. Isn't that interesting?
[00:31:59] Speaker B: Would.
It would never. The Cardinals would never do it in division with Buddha.
[00:32:03] Speaker A: I don't think they would and Buddha. But it should
[00:32:06] Speaker B: be mentioned. Gardner Minshew just horse UCL just out. It's. He's. Yeah. Torn ucl.
[00:32:13] Speaker A: Is it Rango time?
[00:32:16] Speaker B: It is Rango time. And Michael Wilson is also out for the year with the neck injury which is devastating.
Helped me for a few weeks appreciate him.
Traded a second round pick but I had a stockpile so it's okay
[00:32:29] Speaker A: that that hurts into
[00:32:30] Speaker B: now we got to trust Roma. Dunz.
Stop dropping the ball in the end zone, Rome.
[00:32:35] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. It also hurts my fantasy team, but you don't hear me bitching about it.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: Yeah, but you want Jazz
[00:32:41] Speaker A: knew I
[00:32:41] Speaker B: was going to do it first.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: It's fair. You got a stick.
I. Yeah.
If I'm with you. I think you have to prioritize secondary. And again, the Niners can chalk all what happened on Sunday up to we were fucking around. It's the Raiders. We felt no fear.
You got to go with the information that you have. And the trend line of this is not good.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: What about like a Justin Reed of the Saints?
[00:33:08] Speaker A: What I wouldn't give for a Justin Reed right now, like legitimately. But the problem is the Saints won, so they're still in it because their division is dog poop.
Those ugly ass uniforms.
Like again, there's just not a lot of bad teams with good safeties and specifically safeties that are playing well because safety's our destiny.
And you know, okay. Oh, like Miami's a bad team. They have interesting safeties. Well, yeah, but they're young.
Like, that's the flip side. You're not trading away.
[00:33:38] Speaker B: I guess we should just get into it with the Chargers. Like Elijah Molden's like an interesting player, but like.
Because everyone's. Everyone's, you know, Banali's mentioning Charlie Kolar and and all that. And it's as Griff mentions, the Charger standing pad at 0 and 8. This is the most Chargers thing ever. Them not making a move is outrageous.
Yeah. Them not selling something, especially with, like, a lot of these guys expiring, like, I don't know, move on, sell. David and Joku just. Yeah, just trade him away for something.
It's pretty astounding if they actually do stand pat.
[00:34:14] Speaker A: There's not a lot of truly tradable assets. Charlie Kohler's do 10. You know, he'd have 12 million in dead cap if they traded him right now.
Diane Henley is still on his rookie deal. Actually, that's an. That's a really interesting one. If you. If you just wanted to go in there and be like, Chargers, you need to make a move, and we're gonna save you from yourself here. Why don't you give up your really, really good linebacker and Deon Henley, who is do and we'll
[00:34:43] Speaker B: flip him again.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: Yeah, probably.
It is it. And then you look at their roster like,
[00:34:50] Speaker B: yeah,
[00:34:50] Speaker A: can't trade for lad McConkey because lad McConkey doesn't play.
Khalil Mack is in a walk year.
Cleo Max.
[00:34:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. There's just not a lot of viable options. Bad teams. It's good safeties.
[00:35:04] Speaker A: I'm having a hard time finding how much. What the hell is going on here? Where is.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: You okay?
[00:35:13] Speaker A: No, I'm trying to figure.
There's just some people missing on their chart. Okay. Neither here nor there. Oh, yeah. Well, Darwin James is injured.
He's uninjured reserve, so you can't even trade him. Plus, he's owed 20 against the cap, then 27 and 27.
Maybe OTC hasn't updated. I don't know.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: I need to mention something.
Alberto says Kyle just said they're open to bringing back Jordan Elliott, Kyle Shanahan, the quotes the building loved. Jordan. Jordan is someone we would always be interested in as a person and a player.
Interesting.
[00:35:57] Speaker A: Well, he's available, and he's a defensive tackle. They lost Kevin Givens to the Colts practice. To the Colts, 53 off their practice squad. He played against the Cowboys yesterday.
[00:36:09] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:36:09] Speaker A: because that's where you go. You're like, okay,
[00:36:11] Speaker B: yeah, interesting.
[00:36:13] Speaker A: Back Givens.
You could maybe do like, a seventh for a seventh for Givens back.
You know, I don't. I don't think that they need that many more bodies on the defensive
[00:36:27] Speaker B: line. I'm with you.
[00:36:28] Speaker A: Like, Valdez has kind of fallen off a cliff a little bit by the very high standard. Except for himself. Yeah, I
[00:36:35] Speaker B: agree. I agree. He's not playing nearly as well.
[00:36:37] Speaker A: No, but he's also had less responsibility and they've done less of the tight front stuff.
I don't know.
[00:36:45] Speaker B: Yeah,
[00:36:46] Speaker A: you kind of already replaced. I, I, listen, I, I think that Grayson Halton was a really wonderful spark plug. 15 to 20 snaps at most. Guy, you're not finding somebody like that without paying a premium. Like, usually those guys. Jordan Elliott, how many snaps does he get in the game? 30.
Like, like,
[00:37:06] Speaker B: yeah.
I think they just bet on west coming back.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: I think that's where they're going to go because again, you only have so much that you can move.
The other aspect of this that needs to be brought up and I do think caution needs to be thrown to the wind in this regard. It's like, it's not as if they have this young stable of players that are ready to take over for the old guys. Like, the reason they're in this situation where they're running it back with these old guys again and again and again is because no one took their jobs.
[00:37:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And
[00:37:33] Speaker A: so they have to
[00:37:34] Speaker B: say like, hey, James Thompson, go get it. See if you can do something. I
[00:37:38] Speaker A: don't think that's a bad idea. Like, comparatively to that's like the one area where they have depth. The issue with this team isn't the top end talent. The issue with this team is the depth. Now maybe it's the top end talent issue, it's safety, but they just need to make a decision and go with it and then change it the next week. But they need to stop rotating back there because it's clearly having deficiency. It's adding deficiencies to the defense. What else do you want to
[00:38:00] Speaker B: talk? Let's take some questions. This one sort of sets up for everything. How blatantly false are the AD and I. Mitchell rumors in your estimation?
[00:38:08] Speaker A: I don't think they're blatantly false at all. I, I, I'll say this for what I've understood with the Niners is that the Niners are open and talking to everybody. Like John lynch is putting, putting. I don't, I think they're Verizon, but I could be wrong. I think he's putting the unlimited minutes situation to its limit.
Like,
[00:38:29] Speaker B: I think they've made a lot of calls.
[00:38:30] Speaker A: They've sort
[00:38:31] Speaker B: of the
[00:38:31] Speaker A: thing, so many calls.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: I used to do this when you play the game 7up, where I'd be like, pick me, pick me. And then people like, certainly he didn't do it. Because, you know, you're just drawing attention to yourself, calling everyone. They're like, all right, well, you know. And then no one knows what your true intention is.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: No alien. Son of a.
[00:38:47] Speaker B: That's right. That's right.
I take another one. Given the current market, should they stand fast? No, no, the current market doesn't. I mean, that's the Jags market. They're not trying to get Jordan Davis.
I mean, that's
[00:38:59] Speaker A: the top end of it. Like, they do
[00:39:02] Speaker B: probably end up being too conservative. I think they will make one more trade.
I don't think it will necessarily be as all in as they should go.
[00:39:14] Speaker A: It's. It's.
They will always defer to the long game and
[00:39:22] Speaker B: yeah, and they do need to roll over cap space, but they don't need to necessarily. I mean, it's tough because, like, the 27 draft is so sick. And they also, like, don't have, you know, all these, all these players coming up in the next few seasons, you know.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
But at receiver
[00:39:43] Speaker B: also, CJ west practice windows being open on Wednesday.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: Look at that.
It is.
Yeah. They got to do something. They, they, they at least have to add baseline. It's not going to be flashy, it's not going to be sexy, but it might end up winning you a game late in the season that otherwise would have been a loss because things get really targeted really fast. I talk all the time about college football being like, what can't you do? We're going to press that button until you prove you can change it. That's what the playoffs turn into. They will run it 20 times in a row if you can't stop the run. And they will just throw it 20 times in a row if your safeties can't communicate and you have a nickel that seems to be doing more harm than good with his hand motions.
[00:40:28] Speaker B: A couple more Jorge go Canes before the next question. Also, maybe Watkins is a keeper. Played. Played really well. I mean, not as a blocker, but I mean, I. Did you. I wonder if he was subtweeting you.
Oh,
[00:40:42] Speaker A: I didn't follow him
[00:40:43] Speaker B: with his comment that he's looking. He's seen the comments on Twitter that he can't make contested catches because he wasn't making contested catches.
It's always funny when something like that happens where it's like someone who, like, doesn't do a thing starts doing a thing and they're like, they said I couldn't do it just because I wasn't doing it. He did. He did great. He played. He played phenomenal.
[00:41:04] Speaker A: Absolutely
[00:41:05] Speaker B: fantastic touchdown catch.
I thought his route running is better.
He's looking good. He's looking It's
[00:41:12] Speaker A: a very nice game for him.
[00:41:13] Speaker B: He's still not a positive blocker. Still a problem there. He can make more than he did at the start of the year. He's certainly a better blocker.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: He
[00:41:21] Speaker B: tried a good blocker. I
[00:41:23] Speaker A: don't think he'll ever be a good blocker. He doesn't have the frame for it.
The idea, first off, I always. But
[00:41:29] Speaker B: he's. He's like, clearly someone. Brock's like, all right, I can throw him the ball.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: Of all of his bad choices, he decided that Jordan Watkins was his best. And he was correct that
[00:41:39] Speaker B: like we did, there were some interesting things about his tape that we liked. And then he just sort of like couldn't put it together and did not have a role. And it was like, all right, what's his deal?
[00:41:50] Speaker A: Yeah, he. He just. He had some pettis to him and good on him for showing that. I'll also always take offense. Like they said I couldn't do it. I'll never say you can't do something. I'll say that you haven't done it because can't and haven't aren't the same thing.
[00:42:04] Speaker B: I. I really do respect. I think it is encouraging for receivers who create their own narratives and have like this eternal, like weird chip on their shoulder. I think that is a pretty requisite to be an NFL wide receiver. I'm not even joking.
[00:42:18] Speaker A: The enemy carries a knife. Sort of. Yeah.
[00:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
All right. We. I've got to get out of here shortly. Someone asked I joined late. Will media post game always be only Deeter or will Jake start joining later in the season? It depends on my schedule but there will be many more games in the second half of the season that I can join which is.
[00:42:38] Speaker A: But Jake will there be. Because this team might get flexed out of both Sunday
[00:42:42] Speaker B: night get flexed
[00:42:43] Speaker A: and Thursday night Football. They have Thursday night football against the Chargers
[00:42:46] Speaker B: the better
[00:42:47] Speaker A: on December 17th. I don't know if old Amazon wants to be keeping the Chargers on their. Their pre Christmas
[00:42:54] Speaker B: out of Thursday Night Football. I don't think.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: Yes you can.
[00:42:57] Speaker B: You can
[00:42:58] Speaker A: verified and in that window. By the
[00:43:01] Speaker B: way,
[00:43:02] Speaker A: I believe last year the Broncos did it. But I could be wrong.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: I bet they. I bet everyone wants would I. I don't think they'll sell on the 49ers on. On the flex option.
[00:43:14] Speaker A: It has nothing to do with the Niners.
[00:43:16] Speaker B: No, I know. I just think. Yeah
[00:43:19] Speaker A: has to do with the Chargers who might not have a goddamn win. And then the Eagles who I believe are losers of seven in a row and just made some more trades, probably when we were talking January 3rd, Sunday Night Football.
There's a couple of interesting ones there.
[00:43:35] Speaker B: Here's the thing, though. They love the Eagles and the Giants and the jets and those big east coast teams. And the 49ers carry such a massive audience.
We're getting into like some Andrew Marchand nonsense of like, oh, how do they view these teams for ratings? What a weird industry. But I think the Niners do carry an audience, so
[00:43:55] Speaker A: I only think one of them is going to get flexed. But something's getting flexed, let me tell you.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they're
[00:44:00] Speaker A: leaving with something and.
Oh, yeah, I guess that was our film analysis.
[00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah, whatever, whatever. We'll be back. We will be live tomorrow.
[00:44:10] Speaker A: We'll do it
[00:44:11] Speaker B: at the trade deadline with wild, wild takes,
[00:44:16] Speaker A: man. When that sixth round goes for the third string tight end, you know, can I
[00:44:20] Speaker B: make one prediction? They are going to make a trade, everyone will feel lukewarm about it and then it will come out that they really were trying to make a big swing, just couldn't get the right value for it and the team wouldn't budge.
[00:44:31] Speaker A: Enough about the Warriors. Talk to you
[00:44:33] Speaker B: tomorrow. See you folks.
