Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreigner and Hutch a day too early, a half hour too early. Pushing forward regardless as we talk about the Indianapolis Colts and the San Francisco 49ers and Jake that the headline of this dear YouTube video is did anyone actually watch Philip Rivers? We did.
I felt like I was taking crazy pills, reading some of the stuff and listening to some of the stuff said about.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: Yeah. What did you see? What did you see from the people online?
[00:00:35] Speaker A: I saw a lot of pats on the back at a boys.
[00:00:41] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:00:41] Speaker A: What an incredible. I mean, I mean it escalated.
[00:00:44] Speaker B: I mean to be fair, coming off the bench, 44 years old.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: I get it, I get it. At the same time we're grading him and as if he's a 44 year old man who just came off the couch and that's fine, that is factual. He did do a great job in that circumstance. But as I have said numerous times now, he looks like he won a contest and it is the best possible contest winner.
[00:01:08] Speaker B: He's looking wide.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: Listen, I'm not going to get in on anybody on that but stressy when you got a little time on your hands. But it is.
If we're grading him on the scale of NFL quarterback. This is some woeful shit, Jake.
[00:01:24] Speaker B: It's not good. It's not good. It's.
I mean to be fair, he's always looked like he's in a little bit of a measure and pain of pain.
[00:01:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Like as he's played the Abe Lucas sense of things.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Just who by the way, as I was watching this game, it's like injured and came back into the game yet there's just like a level of like it looks like he's throwing a weighted ball right is what it looks like.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: That's exactly what what I saw. And he's always thrown like that but he's always had that weird motion kind of that shot put emotion. He had that back I remember at NC State.
And yet it came out with like a velocity and like a certain.
It came out looking totally normal. It was almost as if it was like computer generated or like some of those bad next gen Maddens when they hadn't fully switched over between like the three and the four on PlayStation or the four and the five. And so the animations were just a bit off and the ball was like two feet out of his hands by the time the motion it was. That's what it always looked like. And you're like gets the job done. This is not getting the job done. And he's putting dudes legitimately in like serious harms.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: He threw a ball to Tyler Warren early in this game. That was quite literally quadruple coverage.
[00:02:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:38] Speaker B: And. Yeah, and it wasn't like he had to throw it to him. There was like a clear drag route underneath that was much easier. Throw wide open.
So again, like, on the scale of this is a 44 year old man who hasn't played in half a decade.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: Infinitely better quarterback than either of us. Phenomenal. Incredible.
[00:02:59] Speaker B: On the scale of he's in the NFL, not superb. And I think their game plan said everything about how they wanted to. Because I was watching, I was like, Seattle had, I think, three total possessions in the first half, maybe four, but like, really it was, oh, the half is over.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: It was. It was easy to get through that first half tape, which is what I like to do, obviously this one, because it was such a unique game in general.
But yeah, I mean, I breezed through that. I think I started texting you kind of, you know, hey, let's go back. You know, we usually go back and forth. Sometimes it lines up. I think I started texting you ideas on like, oh, here's what I'm seeing. And then it was over.
It was done like this one seeing from the Indianapolis defense. Well, didn't really see much, did I?
[00:03:43] Speaker B: That's the game plan. That's the. I mean, it's funny because there's been a lot of games where like it could go either way. And I mean, there's really only two ways for this to go. I think, I think we will get into like the nitty gritty of it, but big picture, like, either the Colts get into their game plan, which is to slow the pace to a trudge and just have Jonathan Taylor and a little bit of Amir Abdullah.
[00:04:07] Speaker A: Kind of like we always have a little Amir Abdullah. Everybody gets it. Everyone gets a turn on Amir Abdullah.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: Exactly. And, and have occasional. Some dink and dunk, Philip river stuff and just slow the pace, make it real painful. Have the offensive line wear on the 49ers front. It's not that great.
Probably an understatement.
Probably definitely an understatement.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:04:29] Speaker B: And then, and then have the. The defense of the Colts, which is pretty good. I, I liked what I saw overwhelmingly and I think up front they, they pose quite a few problems, especially if the Forest Buckner comes back. And so it's like if you can get the 49ers out of the rhythm.
And again, they disguise some stuff that the Seahawks had some trouble. It's actually not that complicated. It's not that crazy, but, like, early on, it's a little bit like, I don't know what they're running. And so it takes a second and if you can get the 49ers to have like a couple iffy possessions early, slow the game down and take a lead, like there's a route to turn this into a really sludge, like, game that favors the Colts. And if there's a real route for the Colts to win, if they don't, I think the 49ers are going to blow them out of the water.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it is.
It's the 49ers Rams games in Week 5 and Week 10, respectively.
That's what it is. And in Week 5, they came out and they just made that thing molasses just slowed it down and the Rams didn't come out correct. And by the time the Rams figured out what the hell was going on, it was kind of already the advantage was too much in the Niners were able to hold on. And then obviously week 10, it's like, oh, here are the Rams. Just let's go kick some ass. And same quarterback in both of those games. Obviously different personnel in general.
I would say that in this case, if the Rams don't maintain that level of control throughout. Right. Because the Niners had it in week five. I'm sorry. Yes. The Niners in week five against the Rams maintain that level of control in the first half, and then the second half, the Rams are like, okay, we'll play football. And they had to climb out of the hole. If the Colts don't maintain that thing the whole goddamn way, it's blowout. It's a blowout. And I think very little of the 49ers defense. I think that this 49ers offense without a Ricky Piersol, which we're hit and miss on, Kyle sounded optimistic. That's a rarity in general. So we'll. We'll read into that a little bit. But for some of the reasons we'll get into with this Colts defense, like, I think you really have to have a Ricky Pearsall for this game.
But yeah, if. If this is.
The Colts do their best and the Niners do their best, it's a 15 to 20 point blowout without a question.
Okay, where do you want to start? Because I can go in a million different directions here.
[00:06:56] Speaker B: I feel like we should start to fill up with Philip Rivers because the more interesting thing is the defense. So start with Colt. Oh, Niners D.
I.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: I don't want to come across as Mean, there is a level of elder abuse that is happening here that I don't feel comfortable with.
Again, a credit to Philip Rivers for going out there and not dying one to, you know, absolutely soiling his, his white pants like that was another thing.
He did what he could.
His, his could is not nearly good enough. And the interesting aspect of watching this past game compared to now, then you know, flipping on some games where they played well, was that this was a completely different offense they ran last week. This was the best team in the NFL from under center all season long. And it was starting to fade because the book was starting to get out a little bit and kind of a lot of the stuff we're seeing with the Seahawks, which I do want to touch on, but they didn't do anything under center in this game. They manufactured some quasi pistol looks. And I'm just going to come out and say it. This was a high school ass offense. I mean, Philip Rivers is out here coaching high school one day and then running a high school offense the next.
And while I expect Shane Steichen to maybe add a wrinkle or two, I'm not sure what you can really add when you have a quarterback who's this limited in every single level of physical activity and who is not. I mean, we also have to be clear about this. Like, he did a good job of executing what he could do, but I don't think that he was like terribly sharp with it either. I think he can see it still, but it's, it's, it's so rushed, it doesn't really matter.
[00:08:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, Kyle's. I'll just read Kyle's quote from today.
[00:08:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought this was way too complimentary.
[00:08:48] Speaker B: But, you know, and Kyle has never said a bad word about an opposing quarterback, I don't think ever in his entire career. It's always complimentary. Yeah. He goes, you know, what did you see? I guarantee I know for a fact that's Matt Mayoko. I didn't watch the. I just know I have to go back and verify just from the transcript. I know.
[00:09:07] Speaker A: What did you see when you watched?
[00:09:10] Speaker B: I see. I mean, Shout Out Matt. I mean, Kyle goes. I mean, he. I see. I mean, he's a little bit older, so might not quite be as fast.
Might not quite be able to throw the same distance that he used to. But you don't know that for sure because you don't get to see it exactly on tape. But I see a guy who knows how to play the position as good as anyone. I think he had 27 throws every ball right to the exact spot attack. Their coverage is great.
Played against a very good pass. Russian was able to get rid of the ball.
Was one of the best quarterbacks I've ever watched, and he definitely helped that team. I agree that he got the ball out pretty quick. Oh, yeah. And I do think it went mostly to the right spot because the re. Again, he was going to where it was supposed to go. That said, sometimes that's in very tight coverage and he's going.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: It shouldn't go there.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: Correct?
Yeah.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: And sometimes it should go there, but he can't get the ball there.
[00:10:06] Speaker B: So it's like the 49ers Mac Jones offense, but if it was in 15.
[00:10:10] Speaker A: Years, 15 years later, Kyle Shanahan's like 18 months older than Philip Rivers. And do you think Kyle was watching the film and thinking to himself, as someone who very much thinks that he should. There have been times, particularly five, six years ago, where it's like, Kyle, it's like, I'll just. Everyone get out of the way. I'll do it myself. Like, that was the energy that he carried.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: Didn't Kyle have shoulder surgery?
[00:10:35] Speaker A: He did. He did. And now that.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: So did my girlfriend's dad. Shout out, Gary.
[00:10:39] Speaker A: Hey, Gary, can you play quarterback for the Colts, by the way?
[00:10:43] Speaker B: He grew up. Grew up a Johnny Unitis fan.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: As a sick Johnny Unitis jersey.
[00:10:49] Speaker A: That's awesome. I used to wear shadow Gary recover. What a dork I was. But it.
Do you think Kyle watched that film and just thought, like, I can do that 100%.
[00:11:03] Speaker B: He's like, come on. Yeah, come on, Phil.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: Again, high school offense, they're in shotgun the entire time. Play action had no value whatsoever. Jonathan Taylor didn't stand much of a chance. And that was already something, by the way, that was happening prior to Philip Rivers, where the offensive line was starting to get caved in, especially from the perimeter. And I think, you know, people think back to the game that they had in Berlin and Taylor goes off for like 200 something yards. Well, two of those runs were like 80 yards where he runs into the back of the line of scrimmage. Nobody on Atlanta tackles him. So he's like, I guess I'll go left. And then just ran into the end zone. So while those count, and maybe they would count against the 49ers, like, they don't really count.
And that even wasn't. That was certainly not there against Seattle.
This is an offense that is predicated on slant or should be predicated on Slants over the middle and then a deep ball down the sideline. And they have a really great receiving core. But you would never know having watched this past game. And again, a lot of that has to do with Seattle, but I would say that Seattle played woefully bad on defense.
[00:12:13] Speaker B: Yeah, they were a mess. They were a mess.
[00:12:15] Speaker A: And you know why they were a mess? Because they had no film whatsoever. They had no idea what was coming. And even then they were still the best EPA team in football last week because they had no idea. And you could just tell, like they were just out there just playing backyard football once. It's as if technology didn't exist. There was no tape sharing. Let's just go out and figure it out. And they figured it out to have the best EPA in the NFL last week, which speaks to Seattle, but it should not speak to the Colts because now the Niners have the tape again.
Shane Steichen is going to try to add things to this, but I don't know how you add anything to this at all besides trick plays. And I mentioned it earlier, like, I don't know what kind of an arm Jonathan Taylor has, but it wouldn't shock me if he threw multiple times, like twice in this upcoming game. Because anything that rivers threw beyond 15.
[00:13:07] Speaker B: Yards, which tells me Michael Pittman can probably sling it.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: That's a yes.
I'm sure that Tyler Warren can sling it. I wouldn't be shocked if we saw some Tyler.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: I swear to God if we don't. I mean, they're already doing it like the sort of offset pistol.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:21] Speaker B: With, with Taylor and Abdullah. Like just get, just do a full house back there and have Tyler Warren and just start running the read option, man.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: Just run the veer.
It's, I'm not joking. This is what we're getting to like, this is it. And it is, it's embarrass. It's honestly embarrassing. I, I, I understand that it wasn't the game of the week, but there was enough morbid curiosity around this game that I would have thought that more people in the national media would have actually watched it. Like, I don't blame anyone in the national media for not watching 49ers Titans. I don't blame them for not watching the Browns Niners game. Like, I don't blame them for that. But like we talked about Philip Rivers all week and then apparently no one actually watched Philip Rivers in an all 22 capacity before they all went on TV. And then as the week has progressed, it's, it's being lionized more and more. And again, kind of bringing it back to the original point. Incredible under the circumstances.
Horrific when it comes to actual NFL play. And here's the. Here's a number I can put on it. Two weeks ago, the Colts were minus 250 to make the playoffs. They are now minus 2500 to miss the play.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:14:34] Speaker A: Philip Rivers shows up and every book in the country is like, we will give you $1,000 on top of your team. We will multiply it by 100 if you go.
If he makes the playoff number in two weeks. In two weeks they went from strong favorites to make the playoffs to now to.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: It's impossible.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Effectively. They might as well have the E mark next to their name in terms of.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: And they. And they could have won that game. They really could have won that game.
[00:15:04] Speaker A: Absolutely. But they in Seattle is a better team than the 49ers in so many regards. I will, I will leave it at this. When it comes to the Colts offense, if the 49ers do not play a good defensive game against this Colts offense, it is a disqualifying event.
If they look like if Philip Rivers is giving them the business, I will never be able to buy into them.
[00:15:26] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: Ever. Under no circumstances can I hand it to him. Under those. Yeah, like, it's awful. It was an awful watch. If not for the morbid curiosity, it would have been really.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: Can I make a prediction? There will be like a 35 yard wobbler that like Alec Pierce snatches and two and two 49ers defenders try and pick it off, sort of run into each other and Pierce goes for like 70 yards.
[00:15:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's absolutely going to happen.
There's. There's no doubt. I can see the play.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: That said, I, I'm not sure that will affect the result, but yeah, I, I think if you can't limit this Colts offense, I mean, the only answer for the Colts is to like run effectively. And everyone knows that's coming.
[00:16:14] Speaker A: Right.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: And so that might be just like a matter of personnel. And, and if the Colts went up front, you know, the 49ers might not have a stand a chance. Sorry, by the way, I was just. I was just sent a photo of my dog who is apparently just sitting outside the door.
Yeah, just. Just outside the door.
[00:16:34] Speaker A: Go get him. I can hold down the fort for a second.
[00:16:36] Speaker B: No, it's. It's fine. It's fine. He's fine.
[00:16:38] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: Yeah, he likes the pot. He likes the pot.
[00:16:44] Speaker A: On top of many things, one aspect of it is this, like, everyone knows that the Niners have to sell out to stop the run. They can't stop the run in general. Okay. There is not going to be any RPO or anything. They're very simplistic in their designs. There is a little bit of eye Candy. If the 49ers defense can't handle a little bit of eye candy, what are we doing here? Like their entire, every day of every week they face eye candy. Like, there's a level of discipline that, that needs to be obvious in that context. And I, I, I haven't seen that issue for the Niners where they get lost. I think they're pretty actually well coached up. It's the execution part that proves to be the problem, but the only way. And again, I wish that we had some larger, deeper analysis of like, oh, well, if they go into this person. No, they're playing a fucking high school team, full high school offense, full of NFL players and a quarterback who they grabbed off the street at 44 years old. After five years off.
The only way for the Colts to move the ball is either the catastrophic play that you described, just sheer luck.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: I mean, they, they can move it through the air. It's just gonna have to be quick. It's gonna have to be quick game stuff and repetitive.
[00:17:59] Speaker A: It's going to have to be 10, minimum 15, a 20 play drive. And the 49ers, yeah, it feels like.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: A lot of field goals if their offense is successful unless like Taylor breaks one and, or jump ball in the end zone or something.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: Right. And the irony of this is, as bad as the Niners defense is, their entire ethos is you have to keep doing it. You will make a mistake and we will pounce on the mistake. Theoretically. They haven't actually.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: It's always theoretical.
[00:18:32] Speaker A: Right. But their whole thing is we will give up yards, we will give up first downs, we will try to maximize the opportunities that you give us, but we will not lose on our own. We will bend, we will not break. And we will break you through just our sheer perseverance, which I don't know if that's a good policy moving forward, but in this game it actually feels terribly appropriate. On just wait for Philip Rivers to do something dumb. It won't take that long.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's a team where it's like, as much as they're flawed and I trust nothing about what the 49ers have going for them, I feel more concerned about this team against a team that can stretch them vertically and really challenge their safeties to make the right calls because they usually don't and they don't attack the ball in the air very well unless it's really obvious or even in that case.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: And then 50, 50 and then.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: Yeah, then maybe they have a chance. The Colts just don't have that capacity like Philip Rivers physically can't do it.
So. Yeah. Could. Could the Colts move the ball? Absolutely. It. I. Again, if Jonathan Taylor gets going and starts ripping off chunk runs, they could be in trouble, especially if their offense doesn't get going. But like I, I think that's a good point to switch to the other side of the ball.
[00:19:49] Speaker A: Well, I want to leave it at this. You mentioned the. The concern with the Niners is getting stretched over the top and because the. You playing two strong safeties in effect two hungas in a world that needs a free you.
That's. That's a huge issue. These guys are sometimes slow to trigger. Definitely sometimes find themselves way too much in. But the Niners can just bring them in and play them like linebackers.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:20:15] Speaker A: I really have a lot of respect for the Colts wide receivers and they might be able to win one on one with Green and Lenore and certainly Stout. That wouldn't shock me. But to what end? It's not going to be the 60 yard one over the top. They're just going to play a cover.
It's a cover zero zone. Like it's. It's cover four with two safeties in the box. Like.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Right.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: I just don't worry about it. So it's like how do you stop the run? Well, actually they're pretty good at stopping the run.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: Well.
[00:20:45] Speaker A: Pretty good. They're better at stopping the run when they use their safeties as linebackers. Those guys were really good against Carolina and really good against Cleveland and really good against Arizona in terms of coming up filling gaps, taking, you know, the minimal stuff. It's that third level that can fill in some of the cracks. You can do that against this team with a level of impunity that I don't think they've seen since the Panthers game. And even that they got burned once over the top in on a nice throw to tear McMillan. I mean that's not coming here.
[00:21:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean both Mustafa and. And J.R. brown have been really good in the run game for the most part. I mean when you just let them fly to the ball and yeah really dictate clearly what they have to do at plays to their strengths. And again, this is a team that just can't attack their Weaknesses in any real way.
[00:21:32] Speaker A: What's the Yellow man going to do to this 49ers offense? Lou Emeria.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: I'm going to let. I'm going to go silent for a second and just let anyone who wasn't here yesterday just scratch their head in confusion. Let you sit with the shame of that joke.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: It's a great joke.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: I love it. It's a good.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: The Yellow man coming for.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I like what. I like what I definitely do like what they're doing. My first impression was holy. I forgot how large Grover Stewart was. Elite player that is a large dude.
I like their other pieces. Latu feels like he's taking a step. His size is a problem. They really like to stand up their edges, I feel like, because that allows them to like jump into coverage really easily and, and they like disguising things of like bringing a safety blitz, flashing a gap pressure and then dropping linebackers. That said, their coverages look very similar.
Like it's, you know, they play too high. They played cover one, cover three. Like they played.
They played different coverages but at the same time, like they don't look that complex on the back end. They look like fairly straightforward and there's a lot of almost eye candy up front and then they seem to get home pretty effectively.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: Yeah, no, they're a good pass rush team. They're a great run stop team on the interior. They don't run cover four like ever.
So it's a lot of man on the outside, which is probably why they were so.
Even though it was a bad trade in the moment, it's certainly a bad trade now post injury. Like it's probably why they were so keen to get Sauce Gardner because they want to run man on the outside amid a bunch of zone on the inside. And Bynum's a really good safety. Former college.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I like him a lot.
[00:23:17] Speaker A: He's a really good player. Nick Cross, their slot is really good.
I like this Wormley guy that they put sometimes next to Stewart, who's going to be a bit player now because I think DeForest Buckner will be back statistically in the tape to say the same thing. You can't run on the interior on these dudes. You can't do it.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: No, I mean literally, teams run outside the tackles on the Colts about 60% of the time, which is the most in league, like more than any any other team because it's obvious. There's just, it's a beefy defense. Like they're linebackers too. Like Jermaine Pratt is. Is older now, but he's still like a physical dude. I like, like, they. It's a big beefy defense until you get to some of the guys in the secondary. But I like Nick Cross. You like Nick Cross? He's a pretty sure tackler. I think he's from Maryland.
[00:24:04] Speaker A: Very much so.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: I, I really like a lot bigger than you would think for a free safety. Agreed. Free safeties are kind of like he knows how.
[00:24:13] Speaker B: So Brock's got to be pretty diligent.
[00:24:15] Speaker A: And he gets a lot of clear lanes because the linebackers are as weird as this sounds because they muddy it up. At the line of scrimmage. He gets to effectively be a second level defender, but at the third level. So a lot of times when you watch the end zone film, it's like him staring right into the soul of the quarterback the entire time, which I don't think is a coincidence and certainly something that big. Louis, who's only on wife number two. That's a sports talk radio reference for y', all, is.
He did. He had great safeties for a long stretch in Cincinnati and developed great safeties. And Bates specifically.
Not surprising at all that they have really good safeties here. I do think that their corners are super susceptible. And what stood out to me watching the Seattle film was two things. We'll put a pin in the second one. But one, like it was so obvious that play action would have worked well that you need.
That you need to get the linebackers to commit because they do want to fill they, you know, and to take advantage of some of the.
[00:25:20] Speaker B: And when there's not, they can get to a depth that is problematic. Like there were times where you saw Darnold want to rip it and he had to go second window.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: Right.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: And it wasn't there. And then. And then there was pressure right in his face. I actually think people were. I, I didn't love what I saw from Darnold, but like, I think people were more harsh on him than they should have been. Maybe on the play calling and, and the offensive line sort of failing him where he didn't have like a lot of times he was just screwed from the jump 100.
[00:25:47] Speaker A: Yeah, he, he. And that was probably why they went away from play action. My. My stance is that, well, Darnold hasn't had a tight window throw in a couple of weeks.
If it's not right there for him, it's not getting there. Yeah, teams are taking away those throws. It brings me back to Clint Kubiak.
I think He's a bad play caller. I think he's a good schemer, but I don't think he can call a game.
[00:26:09] Speaker B: And I, I think you can. Yeah, go ahead.
I, I feel like it's.
I, I would push back in terms of. I think he's inconsistent. Like, I, I feel like your argument is more that he doesn't have the. Feel like the rhythm of like in the flow of the game.
[00:26:27] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: Having it sort of one after another, building on things. And it's more like cool play calls that don't necessarily fit together in the perfect puzzle.
[00:26:36] Speaker A: Not only are they siloed, they're predictable. And what I saw from the Colts this past week was them effectively knowing what every play was. And the only plays that burned them seem to be play action from Pistol, which they didn't.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: And anytime JSN would get a one on one that he did.
[00:26:54] Speaker A: You had that JSN over route that they could have had for a big gain early out of a Pistol and then they ran it late in the game off of an under center look.
It's Darnold. Darnold's internal clock is too fast. I know that we're talking about Seattle. This is applicable to the Niners. They have a very similar scheme.
JSN against zone was, was very, very good.
If you give a man on the outside, he's going to burn it every time on those crossing routes. It was all there. Like, it was like the right, the right ingredients were made for the meal and then you watch it play out. And because of everything that you just said, offensive line really falling apart after about two and a half seconds and then just the obvious silo. Ization.
Siloing of plays.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: I'm not, I'm not going to let you stop inventing new ways to use the English language. Go for it.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you. We're an avant garde podcast and that's right. And in just in general, I, I think now to not being in the nitty gritty and not being in these meetings, just having watched a lot of Seattle film and understanding what we're.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: Usually we are in the meetings, to be clear, but just not this week.
[00:28:03] Speaker A: So think about what happened with Clint Kubiak last year with the Saints. They come out and they are on fire. Right. This offense looks like it might be the best. They put 51 on the board, I think in week one or two. I mean, they just look incredible. And then the league adapts. They're like, oh, we actually have to prepare for the Saints and they Adapt and I mean, it just crashed and burned. That team did not have nearly the talent that this Seahawks team has. But it appeared to me as if Clint was just absolutely outclassed when it came to calling plays and that the Yellow man just had him absolutely locked up. And having Darnold in that situation could cover up those errors, but the quarterback should cover up those. Darnold was not going to do that. He's flummoxed. Again, to be.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's right. And I really do think, like, this is a defense that is tough, but, like, it opens up and once you start hitting on your core concepts and building on them, it gets. You can. You can break them, break them open and have a really successful game. But again, it's like, how long does that take to the 49ers get going immediately? And.
And does Brock see through sort of those disguises and what he's seen on tape before? Yeah, you know, because that can get you in a hole real early and then you're sort of scrambling and then you're not really running the offense you want to run.
[00:29:27] Speaker A: Right.
[00:29:27] Speaker B: And you're sort of forcing things. Right.
[00:29:31] Speaker A: But I'll throw something your way here. I want to know what you think about it. This game screams bump motion. Christian McCaffrey, get to the perimeter.
[00:29:40] Speaker B: Totally. Totally. I mean, I mean, that's how you isolate him with advantageous matchups without him getting pressed to the line of scrimmage. I'm really interested if Pierce all plays because this would be a great game to have him. And I think they know that, and I think that's why.
I mean, obviously they want to have him for every game, but I think they know, I mean, literally, if they win this game, they make the playoffs. That's. That's a playoff clinching game, actually, in case anyone didn't know that little X from. From here on out, it's winning. They're in.
[00:30:08] Speaker A: Right.
[00:30:09] Speaker B: Which is pretty wild for this team.
[00:30:11] Speaker A: Just, it would take something that is well beyond the scope of reasonability for them to not make the playoffs. Even if they lose out. Just to be clear about that. I think they're at 98%. I tried to start running some scenarios. I got like 45 minutes in and I'm like, haven't even come close yet. So we're just going to say that they will and. But. And they get the X. They get the X if they win this one.
[00:30:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really interesting, like what happens this week or, I mean, today. Tonight.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: Tonight, yeah.
[00:30:42] Speaker B: In three hours. I suppose really fast.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: I mean, my goddamn schedule. I'm going to need like.
[00:30:48] Speaker B: Because depending on how it goes, it really does open up the route for them to just win the division. And the one seed. Right, right. One seeds back in it. Theoretically.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Amongst all of the preparation I did for this show trying to figure out 49ers and Colts on Monday, I just. The. The biggest takeaways I have is. Is how out I am on the Seattle offense.
Like, it feels way more viable to me.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: Lot of AJ Barner. That run game is a.
The. The use of like Charbonnet and Walker is not nearly getting enough national attention. And that's because I think Seattle in general just doesn't get a lot of national attention, regardless of how good they are. Yeah, there's still, like, there still is that east coast bias and a general laziness and. And the reality. People go to sleep before some of these west coast games or just don't get them in their area. And so they're watching the Pittsburgh Steelers every week.
[00:31:42] Speaker A: God, that's such a good call.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: It's. I grew up on the East Coast. That's what it is. People just aren't watching the games.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: Right.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: Or don't get them or aren't paying to watch them, which I understand.
But like.
[00:31:53] Speaker A: Or they're.
[00:31:53] Speaker B: The dynamic between Charbonnet and Kenneth Walker, like, online people are talking. It's. It's like Charbonnet can't do anything. He's can't. And I get it because, like, Walker's inconsistent, but there's clearly one, like, really talented running back. One guy who moves like a Mack truck stuck in sand.
[00:32:11] Speaker A: Well, and it's not like we have a Bijan Robinson Tyler Algier thing where their skill sets play off each other or even maybe a Kyron Williams play corum situation with the Rams, which I think we're getting a lot more quorum as of late. I don't think I've seen.
And. And he's kind of turning into their Algier. Like, those styles help. These are two running backs who are effectively the same style running back, except one is markedly better than the other. And I guess Charmonay just like, knows the place. Like, it has to be something about Walker to where it's like they just.
[00:32:44] Speaker B: Don'T like him past protection and certain things. Meanwhile, I saw Latu just walk past Charbonnet and pass protection. I went, what are we doing here? Right.
[00:32:54] Speaker A: This is a.
A pretty.
This is like the lowest level of good defense or the absolute highest level of Average.
[00:33:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:03] Speaker A: In the NFL with. With the Colts. And I do think that they played with their hair on fire in that game against Seattle because they knew, like, it's now or never to make the playoffs, in effect.
And we know, like, we. We have practice now against Philip Rivers. We are aware of our responsibility. And it is im.
It is equivalent. Our responsibility here is equivalent to the Niners playoff chances. It's 98% on us. And I'm just not sure even in a home game on Monday night that they can ramp it up to that level again and be that dialed in again. Now, Buckner coming back in could be a big bonus. I would imagine he'd be a bit player.
It's not like they have been getting their ass kicked on the interior. I mean, it's just sheer upside adding 99, but.
[00:33:53] Speaker B: And just vibes.
[00:33:54] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a great guy and he's.
[00:33:56] Speaker B: Bernard King energy, you know.
[00:33:58] Speaker A: I love that.
Nick. Shout out, Nicks. It's all about the Knicks, baby.
Yeah. Indianapolis is giving up 3.7 yards per carry this season. They give up 4. 3 on outside zone. As you said. Teams just keep running it outside to a nice clip. Not great, but nice, serviceable four. Three inside. It's three. Four.
Just don't. Just don't run it on the interior. Figure out a million ways to get the ball out. And I think that an aspect that did not get exploited for. For fairly obvious reasons, because Sam Darnold is just not good at this. He's terrible. The second anything breaks down is Brock on the move, I think can fundamentally break this Colts defense. I don't think that they can give you the second kind of smoke. I think that they expunge all of their possibilities immediately after the snap. And someone who can buy a little bit more time will find wide open windows because they're trying to pair two things that. That can really get convoluted the longer a play goes on. Pearsall in this game, if he were to play, would have a massive impact. I think Juwan Jennings gets a lot of catches in this game.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: I was. I was just gonna go there. I do think he gets very close to fighting somebody in this game.
[00:35:13] Speaker A: Without question, we could say that for every game. To be fair.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: It's fair. It's not really much of a prediction. It's just his. His vibes.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: What kind of a number will you give me on Juwan Jennings ejection?
[00:35:25] Speaker B: I actually think low. I. I think he's so good at toeing the line of getting just close Enough. And there is something, too.
It's a little bit of how refs are. Like, well, we can't eject Draymond every time.
Like, is this.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: Is this the Legion of Boom Defense. Defense.
[00:35:43] Speaker B: It's the thing of, like, if, you know a guy's a little bit crazy, you have to come in with that knowledge, and you can't go, well, it's like, well, that's my personality. What, are you gonna punish my personality? That's who I am as a person.
And if he goes beyond that or takes a crazy to another level, that's when you have to punish that. So I think he. He's just generally operating on, like, a. A base level of insanity that people all understand.
And so I. I think it's like, as long as he maintains it on that level, he'll be fine. So I actually think, no, he'll be.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: Plus 300 to get ejected in this game.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: That's about right.
[00:36:18] Speaker A: That's. That's pretty low.
I'm trying to see. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if we've hammered this home.
They really sell out against the run. The Colts defense, it looked again, as if they knew what the play calls were.
Shout out Liam Cohen for. For every Seattle play.
[00:36:35] Speaker B: By the way, how are the Jaguars? Like, what are they at 10 wins or something?
[00:36:39] Speaker A: I was actually running some numbers here, trying to figure out, like, what this Colts defense was, because everything sort of just changed this past week. But just going through some, you know, what was it? Match quarters, numbers and stuff. He does a great job with putting those things together. Incredible's defense is statistically, like, pretty awesome, which they also.
[00:36:57] Speaker B: They're also really explosive. Like, they create a lot of turnovers.
[00:37:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes. As. As we saw.
So.
Yeah. And the other thing is, it's five or six on the line. You don't know who's coming, who's going, except for Stewart, who's just going to be there and holding down the fort in the middle. It's. It's what Robert Salah wanted to do early this season, I think, almost to a T. It's the defense that Robert Sala wanted to run, can no longer run.
And because of that, I'm just. I'm not.
They can absolutely win in terms of. The defense is so good, and the 49ers offense just collapses in on itself because they don't have enough man beaters. And because the run game or the run defense is so good. Like, that is the scenario that is one band of many possibilities. And the rest of the possibilities are the Niners win this game and in all likelihood and run away with it so that everyone can go to bed early. That's where I stand on it.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm gonna make a prediction before we get into some comments here.
[00:37:55] Speaker A: Fantastic.
[00:37:56] Speaker B: I'm gonna say niners win 31, 20.
[00:38:03] Speaker A: I got 2713 niners.
I think they're up like 17 nothing for a long time.
A long time. And I think I want to push forward here now a little bit before we get into questions. Yep, we are going to get some absolutely unhinged national media takes on the 49ers following this game.
The only caveat I'll throw is that I don't think most famous people, the national media will work this week. So we might not have to get it. But like, that might actually.
So it might not carry the same weight, but in fact, it might even create more outrageous takes about the 49ers, both good and bad. Because you're going to have guys and gals who aren't on these shows and aren't in these platforms typically, and they're going to want to make a name for themselves. So they're going to push the Overton window even a little bit more.
I think that the narrative coming out of this game is going to be Niners offense keeps clicking. I don't think that's going to be a new one. And that. Hey.
And then the second one is actually this defense isn't that bad, which I'm not sure we'll be able to prove in this game. But collectively, that is going to then create a cycle.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: Yeah. If they limit Jonathan Taylor there, that will be a narrative 100.
[00:39:17] Speaker A: But again, I don't think that has anything to do with the 49ers defense. Right. And so that will then create a cycle of people saying, actually the Niners are the sleeper team. Actually, I don't think that you all are thinking about the 49ers and everyone who needs that external validation will receive it. And I just want you to guard.
[00:39:39] Speaker B: Yourself emotion well, because also one of those teams is. Is losing tonight. Right. So like someone gets knocked down a peg if 49ers win they slot and.
[00:39:50] Speaker A: Two national TV games as well.
[00:39:52] Speaker B: So you get particularly if it's a face off with the Seahawks for the number one seed.
[00:39:59] Speaker A: And this Bears game, I've already started to get ahead on it a little bit. It there are so many goddamn problems this defense is going to have in this Bears game. And I think very little of Caleb Williams, but I think very highly of Ben Johnson. And Ben Johnson.
I mean, I'm.
I don't know if he's sleeping 10 hours a night because he's so confident or if he can't go to bed because he's so wired up and wants this 49ers game to come because he's just thinking about all the ways that he can break Robert Salah's defense. But it is good. That game is going to end up being a Big 12 shootout. Like that's the only way the Niners win that one. So let's all just pace ourselves a little bit. Let's think a little bit ahead because coming out of this game, I'm feeling very confident for the 49ers in that people are going to be talking about them like a Super bowl sleeper and again, conversations that we've sort of kind of had. And they're going to overlook things because this is the first time they've watched them since that Panthers game. And they're just going to completely overreact to the Colts having an anemic high school offense. And then the Bears are going to come out the next week and put 40 on the board and then everyone's going to be like, actually we were. No, they're. They suck. The second thing I was talking about.
[00:41:08] Speaker B: The last time we talked, it's just no one is able to have a big, wide scope view of a team.
It's all and understandable. Like, the NFL has so many injuries and dynamics shift so much, but it's like one game is one game and.
[00:41:23] Speaker A: Well, unless it's on an island, in which case it's worth triple.
[00:41:26] Speaker B: That's true. Triples are best.
[00:41:28] Speaker A: Triples are. Triples are safe. But you would if you stopped having to talk about Shadur Sanders so much, which then required you to watch five minutes of Browns highlights on YouTube. You might actually be able to dig in to like the 15 relevant NFL teams and actually study them and understand some stuff and listen. We have takes that are wrong. This is what we do. Like, it's not to say that we know intrinsically, but like the idea that so much time is wasted talking about the jets and the Giants and Jackson Dart and, you know, Shadur Sanders and no one's actually taking. It doesn't seem as if anyone nationally is taking any time to analyze. And I won't even use the Niners as an example. You just asked Jake what's going on with Jacksonville. They could have the one seed this weekend. No one talks about the Jacksonville Jaguars and they're like, oh, that's happening.
[00:42:20] Speaker B: It takes time. You have to like actually look at the thing and figure out what it is. And it's much easier to say, here's a bright buzzy thing.
People seem to enjoy talking about this bright buzzy thing, so I will do that.
And that's why we like to talk about, you know, rates of running inside and outside the tackles and Grover Stewart and other other such things.
[00:42:42] Speaker A: I mean, it is, it is really depressing.
[00:42:48] Speaker B: We are.
[00:42:49] Speaker A: And by the way, I'll note this like we're not very algorithmically gifted.
That's a way to put it. I don't think that the algorithm favors us. I'm starting to view that more as a feature than a bug.
[00:43:01] Speaker B: I agree. I agree.
[00:43:03] Speaker A: I'll go free. Football analysis.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: Speaking of which, Aiden Bethune.
Bethune and Eric Kendricks.
Before we get into comments, I should mention that Tatum Bethune could come back this week and that would go a long way into helping that run game. I don't know what Eric Kendricks is at this stage of his career.
[00:43:21] Speaker A: No idea.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Or if they would.
I guess he would be the Sam. I don't know what his role exactly would be.
[00:43:28] Speaker A: I mentioned this to you on Tuesday. I'd like to see more D. Winters. Four three zero under. No. Yeah, four three under.
So weak side.
Weak side, defensive end. So. Okay, I'd like to see more of that instead of 4 3. I don't hate it strong side with Luke Gifford.
[00:43:46] Speaker B: But I, I certainly. Yeah, I think him, him replacing Luke Gifford makes the most sense.
[00:43:51] Speaker A: I just don't know how big he is and I don't know if they.
[00:43:54] Speaker B: Don'T eat them anymore, I don't really care.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: Maybe they don't.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: Let's get get into our super chats first.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: Real quick. Let's do that.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: Shout out Bill. Bill Kennedy. Comeback player of the year. Reverse cmc.
[00:44:04] Speaker A: He's joking. Those are the two favorites to win the award right now.
[00:44:08] Speaker B: Is that true?
[00:44:08] Speaker A: Yes.
Yes. And I'm not talking about some Kalshi which by the way I didn't know about Kyle. She until two weeks ago had no idea. Dark stuff. Just the worst.
Don't worry though. I'm sure that so bad things are going well otherwise everyone wants everything to be a slot machine.
So did I ever tell you about just how I got turned off on like slot machines in general?
[00:44:36] Speaker B: I'm so that implies that you were once turned on.
[00:44:39] Speaker A: No, no, no. Fair enough. I was never turned on. I wasn't like Ben Johnson watching 49ers defensive film.
It was.
I did. I did like a week's worth of shows for Visen in Vegas. And they put me up at.
Was it the Westlake or whatever the.
They have the big sports book. It's south, way south of the Strip. Okay. It's an older hotel and casino. And I would get. Leave that place as soon as I could every day because it was fucking depressing, though. Nice enough rooms and try to just get into, you know, the Visa studio or just go work somewhere else, whatever.
There was a row of slot machines right before the elevator.
[00:45:20] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:45:20] Speaker A: I'd leave at like 7:30, 8:00 clock in the morning to just get the fuck up out of there. And it'd be the same people. When I came back at 7:30, 8 o' clock at night.
[00:45:29] Speaker B: It's horrifying.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: And then I asked a couple of people who, like, are vague. They understand Vegas, they understand gambling. And they're like, oh, yeah, this is why you get so much as a janitor in Vegas. And I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, that's the best job. Because people will sit at the stools and it becomes a pun. They sit at the school so long, they will soil themselves. They'll wear adult diapers because they feel like the machine is about to go their way and that they're one thing away.
So be very cognizant of slot machines in general. They're clearly addicting in some way. And it's fine that we're trying to turn everything into a slot machine on our phone. It's fine.
[00:46:05] Speaker B: By the way, I just went to Dubai. I didn't actually go in. I was like, at the airport, but I was. My friends had actually spent like two days there, and one of them went in optimistically and was like, that is the worst place I've ever been to. And it's just like cleaner Vegas without the slot machines.
[00:46:23] Speaker A: Pass.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: But also with Sharia law.
Fun. Don't forget about that one, folks. Anyway.
But, oh, they've got Dubai Chocolate. So don't. Don't look into the region.
[00:46:33] Speaker A: Also. Dubai Chocolate's not a thing.
[00:46:35] Speaker B: No, I know, I know, but that's to, like, cover up the regime.
[00:46:38] Speaker A: I went to the way.
[00:46:39] Speaker B: The only books. The only books in the. In the slight bookstore that you can find there is like, the autobiography. So I won't. Hopefully won't be going back.
[00:46:48] Speaker A: Pass.
But you flew his airline.
[00:46:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Good airline.
[00:46:52] Speaker A: I'm sure it is.
[00:46:54] Speaker B: Unfortunately.
[00:46:55] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. I. I love cognitive dissonance.
Yeah. Christian. Christian McCaffrey.
Comeback Player of the year for sure. It's not Devin White, I'll tell you that.
[00:47:06] Speaker B: God, I can't. Carrying water for that is heinous.
[00:47:09] Speaker A: Just tweet out your own stuff. Agents, just do it yourself.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: I know.
[00:47:14] Speaker A: Stop trying to literally wash it. They're shameless with a white guy. Come on.
[00:47:19] Speaker B: I know.
[00:47:19] Speaker A: Get it together.
[00:47:20] Speaker B: It's embarrassing. All right, next one. Cam's dad. You're given a choice. Seattle collapses Today and Week 18 or they rock the Rams world today and beat the niners in week 18. Pick your poison. I forget how this.
How this all plays out, because I guess the Niners would hold the advantage over the Rams if they finish. The problem is, if The Rams win, 49ers, don't play them again. If you're looking at this from a 49ers perspective, if Seattle wins, then the Niners can beat them in week 18 to theoretically steal it. So I think that's the only world.
[00:47:59] Speaker A: Yeah. There is no. Sir, there is no circumstance in which the Rams winning Tonight allows the 49ers to get the. The 1 seed.
It is entirely incumbent. Well, that's. I don't know if that's functionally true because the Rams can lose another game, but I think their schedule's pretty cupcake down the stretch, so it's.
Yeah. I have been operating on the premise of Seattle has to beat the Rams as to set up a winner take all at the top for the 49ers and the Seahawks in Week 18 if the Niners in fact, take care of their business. Otherwise, those two teams are playing for the 5 seed, which could be very, very valuable. Not as valuable as a one, but very, very valuable, seeing as it's the winner of the NFC south hosting you the next week. So.
[00:48:43] Speaker B: Yeah, that's not bad.
Leon, Sandcastle, Dieter, and Hutch. What would you think of Mustafa playing big nickel instead of Pinnock and Siegel playing safety with Jair?
I think it's intriguing. I'm not a huge fan of Pinnock.
It's. It's interesting because it's like, I feel like Mustafa has more range, but his ball skills and instincts and coverage are so passive that it makes sense. But I feel like he's better at coming from depth, and Siegel and. And Jair feels a little bit more comfortable in the box.
[00:49:17] Speaker A: True that. I. I think that the only way that this works, if you're going three safeties on the field, then you want to mix up your. Your. Your. Your high shell is Siegel And Jair with Siegel playing free and Jair playing more of a strong right. And obviously that's interchangeable and whatever, but I think Siegel would be the one that I would play.
[00:49:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:38] Speaker A: I don't. I don't. I don't have enough information to make a determination on Pinnock vs. Siegel for that big nickel role.
[00:49:46] Speaker B: They just don't seem to have any interest in playing Seagull again this season.
[00:49:49] Speaker A: He must have said something. I don't know what. Like, it's. I don't get it. I really don't.
[00:49:54] Speaker B: Strange.
[00:49:55] Speaker A: They were way more optimistic about him than we were, mainly because we didn't have a lot of film.
[00:50:01] Speaker B: Right.
[00:50:01] Speaker A: And then even though we watched a lot of Kansas State, like, too much Kansas.
But, you know, Jacob Parrish, he hasn't been bad at all. Has.
So neither here nor there. So then they're, like, really bullish on Siegel. Then they put him out there in week one and two and three, and they're just giving him all of it. I mean, there is just his favorite toy there. It's. None of this stuff that they were doing is stuff that you normally throw on a rookie. And then he gets burned once against Tampa, and they're like, well, that's it.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: Yeah, he allowed, like, a couple of catches, but he was tight on all of them.
[00:50:35] Speaker A: Well, no, not the Tez Johnson one.
[00:50:37] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
[00:50:39] Speaker A: Fundamentally. And he was nowhere near the play. It should have been him, by the way. A thing that I then see once a week in perpetuity. Like, where was Jair Brown on. On that play with Gunner Helm last week? Where was Malik Mustafa on the. On coming over? Was it Brown? I can't even remember when it was McMillan who was late. When we're talking about that deep throat of Jerry Judy against the Browns, like, every week we see the same thing, but Marquis Siegel is. Is the one getting punished, whereas these would be good reps for him. And by now, he might have maybe broken it out of his system.
[00:51:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Pinnock camp. Pinnock can't play. I don't know how else to. He's an okay tackler if he gets straight up on somebody, but he just.
I guess he's smart. I don't know.
[00:51:22] Speaker B: I. I don't know either. It's. It's kind of confounding.
James.
Avant garde. This show is brew. I kind of like that. Thank you.
[00:51:31] Speaker A: Like that one.
[00:51:32] Speaker B: Thank you, James.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: What. What. What Christmas music are you listening to? What genre?
[00:51:37] Speaker B: Me?
[00:51:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: I'm Jewish.
[00:51:40] Speaker A: I know, but, like, people listen to Christmas music.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: I don't. I was. I'm listening to Egyptian jazz this morning. Dieter, Anyone know anything about mulatto? Estus gay.
[00:51:50] Speaker A: You fucking know. I don't.
I didn't mean to impugn on your. Your religion here. I was just saying that Christmas. I'm a. I'm a hardcore atheist. I still celebrate Christmas.
[00:52:03] Speaker B: It was. Yeah, it was funny, though. The other part of Dubai was like, it's Christmas stuff.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:52:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:09] Speaker A: It's. It's. It has nothing to do with religion. I know that there are some people that very much want it to be in that. You know what? More power to them. It was, in fact, a religious holiday at one point. Now it is a holiday for consumerism.
That is our true religion here in America. I just thought there's some pretty good Christmas bangers I mix through the XM stations. I thought it was a nice point of small talk. And I fucked up big time. Moving on.
[00:52:33] Speaker B: You should have known I was gonna go straight to Egyptian jazz.
Wood gravy.
[00:52:38] Speaker A: Think you'd pull the Jewish card? Very rarely have you pulled the Jewish card.
[00:52:42] Speaker B: Well, on the. On the puka front, felt. Felt relevant.
[00:52:45] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:52:46] Speaker B: Who.
[00:52:47] Speaker A: Even I felt offended by that.
[00:52:48] Speaker B: Which. Which is funny. It's like the. It was. It was worse that he went on the stream in the first place. Not that he did a stupid dance. It's like, what are you.
[00:52:56] Speaker A: What are you doing?
I had no frame of reference as to why that was problematic. And then I found out pretty quick.
[00:53:03] Speaker B: I know you're literally live streaming right now, but streaming culture is a pox upon mankind.
It's deeply. There's a weird parasocial element of people who are not interesting or clever doing.
I don't. I don't know what to make of it. I don't have a better take, but it is bleak.
[00:53:23] Speaker A: Oh, boy. I could go on for too long. Let's not stop while I'm ahead.
[00:53:27] Speaker B: That's all right. Let's get into.
Okay. A couple people have not realized this is a dome game in Indy.
It's an Indian.
So. No. No weather concerns.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: No other concerns. It is a dome game.
All NFL games should be played in domes. This is where Jake gets pissed off at me.
[00:53:47] Speaker B: I don't really care.
[00:53:48] Speaker A: I. I just. I think it's. I think it's embarrassing. I thought that game was an affront to football.
[00:53:55] Speaker B: It was. Brad Wood gravy. People are scared to be the first to say Philip Rivers sucks.
[00:54:00] Speaker A: He does suck.
[00:54:01] Speaker B: He does. He does. I think people especially like to go wow, what a story. It's like, shut up.
[00:54:08] Speaker A: It is a great story. And he did play well relative to the lowest bars of expectation. Like, I thought he could physically die. I thought that he could perish.
So the fact that he didn't die was an incredible accomplishment.
But then if I'm like, okay, we have to analyze football now. And you're like, this is embarrassing. It's fucking embarrassing.
[00:54:31] Speaker B: It's bad.
[00:54:32] Speaker A: By the way, did you. Did you catch? I had asked several times, like, how would you feel if you're Sam Ellinger and you were the awesome. On the Colts roster for four years? You're on the Denver practice squad and they're like, let's go with Rivers. And I would say I'd be pretty offended by that. It turns out they did call Sam Ellinger. And this is the weird part. He said, no.
[00:54:54] Speaker B: Really?
[00:54:55] Speaker A: He's like, he wouldn't play. He said, I don't want to. He didn't want to leave Denver's practice squad to be the starting quarterback of the Colts.
[00:55:04] Speaker B: Interesting.
[00:55:06] Speaker A: Just another weird thing to quality of life.
He. The quote was, and I'm paraphrasing here, it was from the Denver media. Like, we got a pretty special thing going here. And I kind of wish that someone in the Denver B, and maybe they did on the side. There's some really sharp people in the Denver. I usually on most media markets, I think Denver media does a great job. But I did someone go to the side and be like, yeah, but you're not part of the good thing that's.
[00:55:30] Speaker B: Going right here, buddy.
[00:55:31] Speaker A: Practice squad quarterback.
[00:55:32] Speaker B: Buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. I don't play. He's like, but I won scout team. Scout team player of the week last week.
[00:55:38] Speaker A: Here's your participation rip.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: Look at the cool jersey I got.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: Like, a team that was in position to make the playoffs calls you and, you know, the whole offense, you've been in it for, like, three and a half years, and they call you and say, we want you to be the starter. And he's like, nah, I'm good.
Like, I. If. If Sam Ellinger's name comes up at any point in 49ers convert, like, oh, maybe he can be the backup. That's a hard pass from here on out.
[00:56:05] Speaker B: That's pretty wild to just pass that up.
[00:56:08] Speaker A: It was. It was so wild that he passed that up that I didn't even consider it an option. I thought that they just wouldn't have called him. It turns out they did, and he said, no. It's like a lot more money. Like what? Even on just fiscal principles.
[00:56:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:22] Speaker A: Weird.
[00:56:23] Speaker B: We whole things.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: Weird.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: Strange, strange.
Anything else? I think that's pretty much it.
[00:56:29] Speaker A: No, don't run a Grover Stewart.
[00:56:31] Speaker B: Don't run a Grover Stewart.
I'm gonna go make aloo paratha. And by the way, Alberto is right. It was Ethiopian jazz, not Egyptian jazz.
[00:56:41] Speaker A: What era of Ethiopian jazz?
[00:56:42] Speaker B: 1969.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: There it is.
[00:56:45] Speaker B: I have a cool DVD of him and.
And another Brazilian jazz master.
Whatever. Come over, hang out.
[00:56:55] Speaker A: I'm sure it's not Chilean.
[00:56:57] Speaker B: No, no, no. Is it? It's Brazilian jazz.
[00:56:59] Speaker A: All right, well, I'm gonna go listen to like some Bing Crosby or something.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: Sounds great. All right, folks, talk after Monday.
[00:57:08] Speaker A: That is on Monday. We'll talk afterwards.
[00:57:10] Speaker B: We'll talk at some point. See you, folks. Appreciate.
