Why No One Wants Jauan Jennings | Day 3 Draft Crushes

[00:00:07] Speaker A: Dieter and Hutch, feeling quizzical on a Friday. Don't know. [00:00:10] Speaker B: Morning, no less. [00:00:12] Speaker A: I love it. I love it. These 9pm starts, buddy, let me tell you when, when you're up at 5. It ain't easy. This is, this is my afternoon. We love doing it. We're having fun. It's a good time. Can I throw something your way? Right off the jump here, Jake, I. Absolutely. I had. Obviously. The World cup is coming to the Bay. It's coming across North America. Level of excitement varying pretty significantly. The Bay got like the world's worst possible draw. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Insane, insanely bad slate. All tickets are three, $1,500. [00:00:53] Speaker A: And I'm. I'm fascinated by that secondary market. I take a look like once a week and I'm like, who is going to these games? Like, I'm sorry. Like, are there a tremendous amount of Switzerland fans or Qatari ex Nationals that are amped to go see those two teams plays regardless? 49ers. And this is according to Matt Mayoka. So we take it as gospel. Release their off season schedule and we could have effectively deduced most of this. But May 27, 28, 29 OTAs, June 1, 3 and 4, here's the tricky one and one that I did a little bit of side work on. Mandatory minicamp is June 9th and 10th. The 49ers facility is the stadium. Their main locker room is inside Levi's Stadium. A lot of their, A lot of the stuff that they use on a daily basis is part of the stadium. The. The practice facility is across a little corridor. Then they have the actual building where the front office and such works and then their practice fields. There's a big garage thing too for weights. So it's all integrated. They're going to do a mini camp on the 9th and 10th of June. There is a World cup game on the 13th at Levi's Stadium. I have reached out to people who might not know or might know and they're like, it won't be an issue. I'm calling it right now. This thing's going to be an issue. Like there's no way. This isn't going to be a problem. FIFA doesn't like just let you come on in. They commandeer the whole damn thing. You should see the applications for these media credentials. They're like, what soccer games have you covered before? And show me the work. You think that they're just going to let the Niners have their locker room for the week? They're shutting that it might be an issue. The week before that. So I look forward to this absolute brew, ha ha, that's happening in Santa Clara. [00:02:45] Speaker B: I mean, they get click kicked out of their own facility for so much less. Like just for concerts that, you know, they sort of own and run where they can't really do anything. And they're like, you have to hide, you have to pretend you're not there and you have to sort of creep around the building. So yeah, I imagine it's going to be a problem. [00:03:04] Speaker A: I also want to add, if only there was somebody who was tasked in Santa Clara county with handling such events, like perhaps an authority of a stadium. But that person is literally non existent. Every time we walk into the media room, every time we walk into the media room, there's just a door with a little label on it that's like Santa Clara County Stadium authority. That door has never been opened once. I'm like, can I have the room? Like it's a free room, let me have it. I'll work in there. I can do some videos and stuff. [00:03:34] Speaker B: So this should be wanted to manage a stadium. Always been my life. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Apparently it's a no show job, actually. Brock Purdy, as part of the contingency in his contract, is in fact in charge of Levi's Stadium now. He gets a little extra bump. It's a little bit of aspiration level, salary cap circumvention. Like, hey, we can pay you this much to be the stadium authority. I joke, but not that much. We do want to talk some football. Not that there's a tremendous amount of football happening here. Juwan Jennings, still unsigned. Two prevalent theories on this one comp pick stuff like at this point you kind of wait. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Can you break that down for years for, for context? Basically the Monday, the day after the draft ends is when it stops counting towards comp picks. So it could be something where everyone knows there's a deal in place. You would think there'd be a little bit of a rumbling if that were the case. Even a hint of a hint of a hint. [00:04:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:40] Speaker B: Has been not even a whiff of a hint of it. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Well, I mean Juwan Jennings is such a, you know, low key, quiet, reserved guy. I mean it wouldn't shock. [00:04:48] Speaker B: In some ways he is in and in many, many other ways he's not very much. [00:04:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it would, it would rumble out. [00:04:54] Speaker B: The tough part with him is like no one wants him as a number one wide receiver. You want him as a number two or a number three and you're probably willing to compensate him like a fair bit for that role, he's probably like, well, I want to be a number one at minimum a number two. And they'll go, well, remember how you, you were third in Juwan just as like a slot guy? Yeah, that's kind of what we want you for because you're really good at that and that would really help our offense on third down. So, sure. I don't know what the offers are, but I imagine they're not 20 plus million as maybe were speculated. So, yeah, I think that's, that's where it is. We'll see and we'll see after the draft if it happens pretty quickly. [00:05:37] Speaker A: But yeah, there's also, and this is kind of going back to the Mac Jones of it all. There's also just a pretty prevalent belief that guys who can do it for the 49ers can't do it other places at least. [00:05:52] Speaker B: On, off, especially athletically limited wide receivers, like a bottom 10 percentile athlete at [00:05:59] Speaker A: the position ever seventh round draft pick, wonderful football player. But not everybody's running a Kyle Shanahan timing offense. He doesn't present any like, future possibilities. Like, oh, if we just put him in our system, we can unlock something like, this dude's been unlocked, the door is totally ajar. And it's really just a question of do you want to bring in somebody who has. Can perform, is a solid player, is someone that you probably should want on your football team. Is a bit of a quirky fella. Yeah, there's something there too. And like, again, you're just, you know what you're getting and it's not terribly exciting to the point where the Niners are like, we're good, we'll just figure out something else. Like we're kind of over Juwan Jennings. [00:06:48] Speaker B: He's a little, he's kind of like Quincy AC Just a guy who's, wow, power forward. [00:06:52] Speaker A: Wow. [00:06:53] Speaker B: You're just like, wow. He's tremendous at boxing out. Just super physical, you know, provides a lot for us just in terms of energy, in terms of vibe. He does the dirty work. Like, he's going to make some plays that make us a winning basketball team. Yeah, we're not going to pay him all that much, but we, we want Quincy A.C. on our team. It's a little like that. It's not quite the right comp because Jennings has more upside. [00:07:17] Speaker A: But I don't know if again, upside's the wrong term there, Jake, like, what is the upside? [00:07:22] Speaker B: Like, he can produce a guy who's dominating on third down, who's going to Move the chains for you, which is like pretty valuable, but it is not an every down role that you can rely on. It's like, hey, we're going to get you an advantageous matchup and you're just going to barely win. Every time, you're just going to barely win. [00:07:40] Speaker A: There's also this aspect of things where I like Matt Harmon's work over at Perception Reception or whatever the hell it's called. I get it mixed up. But he does outstanding work over at Yahoo and such and he is kind of obsessed right now with the concept of converting guys into power slots, that there's a lot of wide receivers in this draft class and there's just generally a lot of wide receivers in draft classes. There's a lot more draftable wide receivers now than ever than I remember. I mean, you think about a guy like Ted Hurst, the Georgia State wide receiver, like five years ago, Ted Hurst is a first round pick and now we're like, I don't know, do you think he'll sneak into day two? There's just too many good wide receivers and a lot of them are not built to play true X at the NFL level. And so. But they played X in college because no one actually has put a hand on a receiver in college in roughly a decade. So the idea of then converting them into power slot, this is something that the Texans have tried to do with like four or five different guys. A lot of teams are looking at it, especially as 11 personnel is still the preeminent set for most teams. Juwan Jennings is a power slot emphasis on power. And when you look at this draft, it's like, well, damn, like there's a lot of power slots. There's a lot of actual slots. Like, what do we need to pay Juan Jennings for when we can. Yeah, we could probably just get one on the cheap. And if they're going to be a sub package player anyway or just a third down guy anyway, like I'm willing to roll the dice with a kid because he's going to cost a tenth of what that might be, maybe even a twentieth, right? [00:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's a fair argument. I think there's a little bit too much optimism in terms of like converting guys into that role and teams thinking guys are more than that. And that usually sort of happens where you go, he's gonna be able to play X for us. And they go, oh, no, no, okay. And then it sort of happens naturally. Whereas Jennings, I think teams are, I think part of it. I mean, the compact formula is A huge part. But I think teams are going to go into the draft and be like, all right, then we'll figure out if we need him. Like, we'll see how the draft goes. And then we'll say, all right, do we actually need to go get him? And then do we have more leverage to say, all right, here's what the landscape looks like, Juwan, Yeah, we will give you $7 million a year for two years to play. We'll guarantee you a whole year to just play slot for us. But, yeah, he'll listen. I mean, it would be. He's an incredibly useful player. He's just not a high upside player and what he believes himself to be. Yeah. And he blocked even. I mean, he didn't block that well last season, but that's because he was. His body was collapsing into himself like a neutron star. And he still. And he still played through it. [00:10:32] Speaker A: It's actually a true testament to how good Juwan Jennings is that we are now 10 minutes in and about five minutes into a conversation about Juwan Jennings. And we're not like, both ankles, two shoulders, ribs, five broken ribs. How many? Every week it was more broken ribs. That might also have something to do with this. The man is done and busted in so many ways, but he's always had a higher opinion of what he should be paid than. I mean, as. As you should. Right. I've never met. You know what employee out here. [00:11:00] Speaker B: Every wide receiver should have a higher opinion of themselves than is logical. If you don't, you're not going to cut it. [00:11:08] Speaker A: It's true. It's true. Wide receivers that don't have the confidence of a demigod are immediately expunged from possibilities of being good in the NFL. Now, there's limits. But, yeah, it's. I mean, even like Jerry Rice, who was the hardest worker ever, like Jerry Rice, does not see himself as immortal. He's never seen himself as a mortal, [00:11:29] Speaker B: which is why every single game he's like, out there, and he's like, let me. Let me play. Let me get on the field. They're like, jerry, you're six years old. He's just running full speed across the entire field. He's like, throw me the ball. Everyone's like, all right, Jerry. But it's Jerry Rice. What are you going to do? [00:11:46] Speaker A: If only corners could have covered Jerry Rice like cameras can these days. Jerry Rice, I mean, you will see. I literally saw him sprint towards a camera one time. It was incredible. [00:11:55] Speaker B: It's incredible. [00:11:56] Speaker A: It's a great bit before Niners games where you're like, where's the camera? Oh, there's Jerry. And then one time I'm sitting up in the press box, and I'm like, there's a bunch of cameras over here. And I see Jerry just sprinting across the field so that he could be part of, like, the Fox pregame B roll of, like, dapping up, you know, Kevin Burkhart or something for him. [00:12:15] Speaker B: Seems like a lovely life. [00:12:17] Speaker A: You know what? When you're the best that's ever done it and legitimately has a strong argument for being the greatest football player of all time, I think. I don't. I won't. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Especially not being, like, built like Calvin Johnson, too. [00:12:32] Speaker A: My God. [00:12:33] Speaker B: Like, that's a huge factor. [00:12:35] Speaker A: That was. [00:12:35] Speaker B: That was an interesting case in the Chuck Klosterman book where he didn't really make a good point, really. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Chuck. [00:12:41] Speaker B: He had notions of an argument, and then it was sort of just like, jim Thorpe is the greatest to ever do it, and then didn't really make the point all that well, but sort of. But the one part of it that I do think is fair is, like, the greatest of all time. Like, if you just have insane physical talent, like, if you're built like DK Metcalf, you have to do much more to prove, like, compared to, like, if you were built like Jerry Rice and you do the same thing. [00:13:10] Speaker A: I'll give you that. I'll give you that. I do think that, you know, natural. It's a nature nurture kind of argument. Like, natural ability can't be held against somebody at the same time. [00:13:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:22] Speaker A: I do think standards increase. It comes like, the LeBron argument. Like, LeBron's a perfect basketball specimen, as [00:13:28] Speaker B: is Puna Ford, correct at defensive tackle. So it's tough because you're like, puniford's the greatest player of all time, but he is such a physical. [00:13:36] Speaker A: He's so beautiful that it's not fair, really. Yeah, right. So again, kind of in that demigod status, like, once we come back down to mortals. So I have no idea where we're going from this point. [00:13:50] Speaker B: I was looking up Puna Ford. [00:13:52] Speaker A: Just Kumba, by the way. New Super Mario's movie out. [00:13:56] Speaker B: Oh, how about that? [00:13:58] Speaker A: Is Puna Ford the voice of one of those little mushrooms? Yeah, the Koompas. I kind of pretty sure it's Jack Black or something. [00:14:06] Speaker B: That makes sense. [00:14:07] Speaker A: Donald Glover as Yoshi. Real thing. I thought it was a bit. I thought it was some weird, esoteric comedy bit for a long time. It's like oh, no, it's actually Donald Glover. Fascinating. Where do you think Juwan Jennings ends up? I have one team that I can't shake. What, what, what comes to mind for you? [00:14:28] Speaker B: You go first. I'm pulling up. [00:14:32] Speaker A: Feels very Raiders. Feels very. [00:14:34] Speaker B: I was actually, that was my first instinct, but I did there an alternative? [00:14:38] Speaker A: Is there like a secondary option? [00:14:41] Speaker B: I mean, what about like Raiders? I know the Bucks have like a glut of wide receivers. They have Igbuka, but like having lost Mike Evans, maybe you steal one from the 49ers. I don't know. I know they have like a lot of different wide receivers. Doesn't make a ton of sense. But like, I don't know, maybe they try and play Buka outside a little [00:15:00] Speaker A: bit more and yeah, did well at X when Evans was out. Yeah, there's something there. There's something there. I could see Atlanta coming in on the cheap and using him as a true slot. Because you already have London at X, right? [00:15:15] Speaker B: It can't be the Eagles because there's no throws over the middle of the field. I was just saying if they trade A.J. brown, that could make sense. [00:15:25] Speaker A: I mean, the Titans is a team that's been bandied about, but when you're paying Wanda Robinson that much money, I mean, can you really get into the Juwan Jennings sweepstakes? And of course the Commanders. [00:15:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it would be funny. I was going to say if the Commanders are like, well, we'll take Jennings, not iuk, and then IUK can't find a place to play. [00:15:45] Speaker A: There's not much more ground to tread on the IUK thing. But like, man, I do not feel for him. You do not in fact have to give it up for Brandon IUK for like playing his cards or anything, but this is an all time bag fumble, like legitimately all time. I get that you're pissed that the Niners didn't trade you, even though you said, I don't want to be traded. I get that you're pissed that they looked for alternatives to you in the draft and that they were pretty open about other possibilities. Like, I get all that. You're also getting paid a tremendous amount of money. And then after that, like your, your entire career is effectively in jeopardy because of your knee injury and it just. Yeah, man. Something way off with that. And I, I, I do hope for resolution soon just so that we don't have to keep wandering into the abyss of ambiguity that this whole thing is. [00:16:39] Speaker B: What about the Pats? I know they, I know they signed Romeo Dobbs. And all that. But like off the top of my head, I know they've got like Hunter Henry but like, I don't know if they have like the right type of slot that could make life easier for Drake. May like they have Dobbs and they have K Sean Booty and they've got a couple other guys, but they're more like move Z guys. Some who can play. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Booty's a sacrificial X. [00:17:06] Speaker B: Right, right. That Douglas is like, you know, it's like guys who are these, daddy? [00:17:12] Speaker A: The problem is they really like, they really like Pop Douglas and Pop Douglas is like wildly effective at that slot third down job. Now if you wanted to better establish the run game, having Jennings there might do it, but they're not. They play a lot of 12. Like they, they don't love using the slot. [00:17:33] Speaker B: So what about the Chiefs treating him as a, as a pure tight end? [00:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah, real, real. Yeah, real Griff coming in. I mean they just gave Travis Kelsey three more years. Not effectively the same player right now. We'll get into one of those too. I mean this is the other thing. Like the Rams would know exactly how to use them. [00:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah, they especially, especially with all their extra like their three tight ends thing. They'll be like, well, you're just that that's the same position. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Can you imagine if you go 13 personnel and then make your one wide receiver, Juwan Jennings on a crack block like now you're running. [00:18:15] Speaker B: That's just a goal line package. [00:18:17] Speaker A: That's some wing T shit right there. That's good stuff. Yeah. Again, I think that your point is spot on. There's a lot of reasons why he wasn't already signed, but the main reason why he's not being signed now is that teams are like, let's see what this draft has for us and if things pan out and we'll. [00:18:35] Speaker B: Everybody's filled most of the desperate needs they have and if they haven't, they're going. All right, we'll see what the draft does and we'll figure it out because we'd rather get a young guy and then the price will come down after the draft anyway. [00:18:48] Speaker A: Along those same lines, the Raiders know what they're doing at one, so they've already now sort of made their post draft move so funny and sign funny world class bag getter Kirk Cousins who I think is going to start week one for them. I've heard Kubiak saying that he, you know, he believes in sitting behind. I'm not sure Mendoza needs that, but there might be four or five weeks where they just do it anyway. [00:19:14] Speaker B: It's going to be funny when they mind meld. And it's. What's the, what's the movie with Demi Moore that not a lot of people saw? The substance. [00:19:21] Speaker A: The substance. [00:19:22] Speaker B: She sort of like pays to become like a younger woman and like continue [00:19:27] Speaker A: to explain the plot of the substance. [00:19:29] Speaker B: This basically Mendoza and Kirk Cousins. There's a lot of like dorky, sharp, high level quarterback play where there's a lot of comparisons between the two already sort of a mind meld sort of combination where they become one. And I think it'll be great. I mean there's like, there's like a certainty that they both are just like living in the outskirts of Las Vegas in the retirement community where my grandfather lives. Just both sharing a house, just not going outside other than to play football. And that's it. [00:20:05] Speaker A: It's. [00:20:05] Speaker B: Or to go to church. [00:20:07] Speaker A: It could not be further from the legacy of Kenny Stabler. These two as the quarterbacks of the Raiders. What, what have the Raiders become? They got. They got a bunch of guys who love Jesus and don't party and it's [00:20:23] Speaker B: like a lot of gosh darns. [00:20:24] Speaker A: A lot of gosh darns. Is this the real Griff? [00:20:27] Speaker B: You know, frankly is probably exactly what you need to try and set the tone is you need. I mean it's not really going to set a tone, but if you. Dag Nuggets, if Mendoza turns out to be really good. [00:20:41] Speaker A: Sure. [00:20:41] Speaker B: And everybody sort of falls in line, it could work. It could work. I mean it's such a tough place to get guys to focus and play. [00:20:50] Speaker A: I'll give you that. I'll give you that. You do need a goody two shoes, I'll give you that. There, there is an argument to be made there. It just, it feels so spiritually wrong in so many ways. [00:21:01] Speaker B: And the Crosby. Crosby in the locker room with Mendoza and Kirk Cousins. [00:21:05] Speaker A: Sir, this is a non smoking locker room. You cannot currently smoke your cigar in this locker room. There's signs right outside the front of the door. It's. And the worst part is it's Raiders fans who have made. Because there's been nothing to cheer for in two decades. Raiders fans have made this sort of outlaw mentality their entire Persona. And. And Raiders fans above all else have decided football team is personality. And a lot of guys call it, you know, my old lady over here. The amount of old ladies at Raiders games were incredible. Not actually old, just guys who referred to their old ball and chain as their old lady, very sad how they're going to find a way to handle the most, you know, goody two shoes. Can I sell you a Bible? Boys in the history of football as their quarterbacks. [00:22:04] Speaker B: Yeah. There's going to be. [00:22:05] Speaker A: I want to Dench. He isn't a nice guy too. I don't think he's like a preacher or anything, but, like, seems like a pretty chill dude. [00:22:11] Speaker B: I want to see what the Raiders version of the Calgorithm is with, like, guys who like the total antithesis of the whole Raiders vibe. I want to see how that gets packaged up if anyone's clever enough to. To thread that needle and meme it properly. [00:22:26] Speaker A: The other thing, too is. I mean, this. This is maybe a larger social commentary. Maybe I'm going closerman and just doing the concept of an idea here. But, like, we have lost a lot of the core identities of football teams. Like, with Tomlin leaving, I'm not sure what the Steelers are going to be. [00:22:44] Speaker B: Right. [00:22:44] Speaker A: It feels like they have now given up on that sort of connected tissue from Chuck Noel to Mike Tomlin, and now they're like, let's just wing it year by year. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Stopped it. Giving up. [00:22:54] Speaker A: Kind of. Kind of. I guess we'll lease from now on. And then, I mean, the Ravens will see with mid. I do think that there's enough there, like, enough institutional knowledge there. But you lose Harbaugh and so you don't know what that is. Is like the only true culture in the NFL. The jets and the Browns. [00:23:17] Speaker B: That's a very, very interesting case. I would argue the Cowboys. [00:23:23] Speaker A: Cowboys. Okay. [00:23:24] Speaker B: Because it's become a different thing than it used to be. And now that is its own culture. That's very specific. That's very Jerry dying empire that has been dying for 20 years. But now that's the. Now that is the Empire. Yeah. [00:23:41] Speaker A: Where it's just very American. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Just. Just listen. [00:23:45] Speaker A: America, truly America's team. [00:23:48] Speaker B: Just it's, you know, it's a Walmart that's been there forever. Everyone's hanging out, tailgating in the parking lot. It's like you're at the strip mall where there's like one store that's left. Yeah. That's the Cowboys vibe. But they're still like, we still. We're still here. But I think you're right. There's. There's not a lot of true identity. Like, the jets being. The jets is pretty strong. [00:24:10] Speaker A: I mean, they don't want that identity, to be fair, like, that identity. They're like, please don't. I think The Browns lean into it a little bit. [00:24:17] Speaker B: I do think the Browns lean into it. I think they go, what are we going to do? [00:24:20] Speaker A: You could make the argument that the packers still have one. I agree that. But the Micah Parsons trade kind of messes with that. This, you know, we have one quarterback. We keep our quarterbacks, we trust our quarterbacks. Kind of that connective tissue from, you know, Favre to Rogers to now love again, it's a little loose draft and develop. [00:24:40] Speaker B: I think the Broncos still have it a bit. Little, little bit. It's a little different with Peyton and his energy, but there's [00:24:48] Speaker A: what is identity. There's nothing connecting it to John Elway these days. [00:24:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not. [00:24:54] Speaker A: I mean, it's not going back to Dan Reeves. [00:24:56] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just. [00:24:59] Speaker A: It's just a thought. And by the way, the Niners, like, I don't. They have their own identity now of Shanahan. Like that. That's an identity. That's a ten year old identity. [00:25:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it's tough because the Saints still do, but because of their whole cap thing and their whole roster dynamic, it's. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just ownership. Yeah. [00:25:16] Speaker B: But it's still like the one true. I think they're the one true, like football town. I mean, college football town for an NFL franchise where it's like the whole city is truly rallied around Green Bay is. Is too, I would say. [00:25:30] Speaker A: I mean, but it's. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's like that. New Orleans is like truly one of the few franchises, if only that, like. But Saints are everything there. [00:25:39] Speaker A: But I pull it back. It's like when you think about that team, you can't like imagine how they play. There's not an established baseline of what it is they do. The Niner again, the Niners have that under Shanahan. It's wide nine, it's zone defense. It's, you know, killing Christian McCaffrey or Debo Samuel, one or the other. It's a quarterback who is never going to be respected. Like. Like that's their identity. Like that's the Kyle Shanahan team. The Rams have one, but the Rams are a new thing in so many regards. The Chargers are trying to establish. I'm not going to go team by team. Seattle, they changed almost entirely. Like, yes, defense, but that's. That's nothing from what the Pete Carroll Seahawks were, even with the same gm. It is, you know, an identity. Like when you think about college football, there are just certain things. And this, by the way, is something that's changed pretty dramatically. Too. But you're. Yeah. Iowa. [00:26:33] Speaker B: Like, you know, Iowa will never have an offense. Don't you even think about asking us to have an offense. We won't. We refuse to. We don't know how, and we refuse to learn new things. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Iowa's. Iowa's identity is punting. That's their identity, USC's identity. [00:26:48] Speaker B: We're going to play good defense and maybe return a kick for a touchdown, which will be our only touchdown of [00:26:54] Speaker A: the game, by the way. You know what? Let's. That's a great transition, Jake. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Yep. [00:26:58] Speaker A: Let's. Let's pull me back before we get any further and stranger and let's talk about day three draft crushes. Let's start with Caden Wegen. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Let's do it. [00:27:06] Speaker A: That guy's awesome. He's fantastic. He's clearly going to be a great returner at the NFL level. Both punt and I think kick, too. I know that kick returner has. You know, maybe you want a little bit more heft. I don't care. I want that guy with the ball in his hands as often as possible. I'm not sure if he'll be a good wide receiver, but. Doesn't really matter. [00:27:26] Speaker B: There's some slot upside that we'll have to see. We'll have to see. But I. I think it's like, once you get to round seven, I. I'm spamming Kate and Wen just as a. [00:27:40] Speaker A: You don't think that, like, at 1. You don't think at 139 for the Niners that they could do Ouija? [00:27:44] Speaker B: Buddy, I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you where. Once we get to round four. Yeah, not a clue. I think it's gonna get so weird so quick. Guys who. Who I think will be clear, undraftable talents will go in round two, I think. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Oh, you got to give me a name on that, because that's a pretty specific. [00:28:07] Speaker B: Let's see. [00:28:08] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Let's see. [00:28:08] Speaker A: You might have been speaking out. Turn. You can pull it back. But round two, maybe. [00:28:12] Speaker B: Not round two. Round two. I'm just saying I think people will not know how to value it. Let's see, like, looking at my board here. Looking at my board. [00:28:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:25] Speaker B: No, probably not round two, but maybe round three. [00:28:28] Speaker A: Like, is Drew Aller draftable? Does he deserve a draft grade? [00:28:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's not a high one. [00:28:38] Speaker A: What about Carson Beck? [00:28:43] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's. They're both. They're both, like, clear. Day three. I think I. I think I literally only have four quarterbacks who could make an argument that they shouldn't go somewhere day three or after. And that's Nussmeyer Mendoza. And Ty Simpson. And Ty Simpson. I'm kind of even iffy on. Oh, and my guy, Baron Morton. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Yes, you do love Baron Morton for some reason. I'm just going through, I'm going through Matt Miller's seven round mock here. Like Skyler Bell, wide receiver out of UConn. Is he draftable to you? [00:29:20] Speaker B: Definitely. But I tried to, I tried to like get myself as hyped up as some people were. I don't know. It just didn't. There wasn't enough suddenness. Like, he's really shifty, but everything was a little loopy. There's not enough like straight line sharpness in his route running. Had really good hands. [00:29:45] Speaker A: And was super Emmett Johnson at Nebraska, the running back. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Ooh, that he could be my Caleb Johnson of this year's draft where people [00:29:52] Speaker A: are like, I don't care for him. [00:29:54] Speaker B: No, I do care for Job. [00:29:57] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. He's mocked as pick 100 here. [00:30:02] Speaker B: Emma Johnson. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Emmett Johnson. [00:30:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I was. He fights for every yard but like got tackled too easily. Like it was too long. I just didn't really enjoy what I was watching at all. Like, he's kind of a pass first back, which is a weird thing to draft. I, I was not a major fan. [00:30:22] Speaker A: Chris Bell is a good one. Here's the thing. Like, I think Chris Bell is draftable. No question. He'll be overdrafted. I think he'll be on. What's your number right now, by the way? [00:30:34] Speaker B: On Chris Bell? [00:30:35] Speaker A: No, on draftable players. [00:30:37] Speaker B: I have to put it into a system to figure that out. [00:30:41] Speaker A: I mean, just guess. [00:30:42] Speaker B: I would guess my number is about 150ish. [00:30:46] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Okay. That's. I, I'm usually more optimistic about draft ability and I think I'm at like 125. [00:30:56] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not a high number this year, I think. I think where the Niners are at is kind of a good spot. You can't, you can't force yourself. I mean, they're going to take someone that they're going to take a lot of people that we're going to go. I don't know who that is. That's how it always works. [00:31:11] Speaker A: This year we're going to get to day three and it's going to be like some guy from Mount Union goes 124. [00:31:17] Speaker B: Because what always happens is you go, oh, there's this guy that I really like. And then they go. And then you're like, I don't know who that is. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Right. [00:31:24] Speaker B: I watched so much tape. I didn't watch him. I don't know who that is going [00:31:27] Speaker A: to end up with. Like, the Ohio Bobcats corner going164. [00:31:32] Speaker B: And they always do the thing where they're like, we actually really know really well, and the guy turns out to be nothing. And you're right. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Well, never hear that name again. [00:31:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:40] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. This guy's good. This guy's good. The fact that I'm really scrambling right now and vamping to make sure that we can fill the time and try to get, you know, a modicum of concept right, like. No, it's fine. It's fine. It's a good pick. It's a good pick. It's a good. Yeah. [00:31:56] Speaker B: All right, Let me give you a guy on my list. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Okay. [00:32:00] Speaker B: That I really like. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:02] Speaker B: This is. [00:32:02] Speaker A: By the way, these are date. These are day three guys that we like. [00:32:05] Speaker B: Evan Bernstein. Which is spelled Beer Sten. [00:32:09] Speaker A: Like the Bears. [00:32:10] Speaker B: That's right. [00:32:11] Speaker A: Cool. [00:32:12] Speaker B: Like, actually. Exactly. I don't really understand. I think he's like a borderline day two guy. Like, he's awesome. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Talk me into him. [00:32:21] Speaker B: He is tremendous. [00:32:23] Speaker A: How so? [00:32:24] Speaker B: You def. You definitely win a job. Day one. He's like a battler who's got a little bit of meanness even when he, like, loses initially. Like, he re. Anchors and recovers extraordinarily well. So good at sealing defenders and getting second level. Had a key block again and again and again for Northwestern. Yeah, he just snatched trap move. That was pretty consistently where he put guys in the dirt a lot. Would get to their shoulder pads and just throw them down. Would offer help so effectively to his teammates. [00:32:54] Speaker A: I'm trying to look into my mind's eye, trying to remember, because I've watched [00:32:59] Speaker B: the former jackrabbit from South Dakota, Right guard. I think so. [00:33:05] Speaker A: I think. I think he did both, actually. [00:33:08] Speaker B: He. Yeah, I think you're right. [00:33:10] Speaker A: The issue. [00:33:11] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:11] Speaker A: The issue that I'm having is I'm thinking about Tienemann's. That's the left tackle on turning. Thank you. Thank you. And the tape that they would have at the temporary lakefront stadium, which is just a gem. And maybe we have to make a pilgrimage before it's gone to the temporary lakefront stadium. There's just polls in the middle of the all 22 film. It's like all 18. It's so bad. And the south. I don't know directions, but the end zone. One of the end zone. Cams blocks the left guard for every snap. It doesn't matter what hash you're on. Somehow the camera is panned to where it's always blocking the left guard. So he could be the best player. I might not know. I might. I might have gotten him mixed up. Maybe they had to move him to right so that he could get drafted so that people can see him. [00:34:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it's rough tape. Like, physically just trying to parse through it is maddening. [00:34:12] Speaker A: How is it possible in the city of Chicago to have the two worst all 20twos in all of football? How is it possible that high school teams in Texas, Florida and Southern California can have better all 22 tape than the Chicago Bears, which are operating on some like, weird fifth dimension that's part [00:34:32] Speaker B: of the Bears identity is just like no stadium ops. Just like, hey, can somebod nephew go out there and throw some sand on the field before this thing starts? There's a giant pothole in the middle of the field. [00:34:44] Speaker A: Unbelievable. [00:34:45] Speaker B: Never been to a Bears game. Quite literally, their grass is so, so bad that before the game they just have a couple guys who may or may not have done the job before. It's abundantly unclear that are just going out there with a bucket of sand and going, yeah, they're. [00:35:03] Speaker A: Soldier Field is. Is literally owned by the Chicago Public Parks Department and they manage Soldier Field because the Bears and their cheap ass owners whose value has gone from literally birthright from George Hallis to now worth $6 billion, they're like, why would we spend money Number keep going up. We have no self respect at all, and we don't care about any of this. So yeah, it's. Those are literally guys who work for the Chicago Parks Department. And I get a little bit of overtime on, on Sunday, I go down to the Bears game, go put some sand down. Then I go and have a couple dogs out of the. Out of the old. Out of the back of the concession stand in 122. Linda hooks me up with some hatdags. Yeah, I listen, I. [00:35:51] Speaker B: And I love going every time I. [00:35:54] Speaker A: It's the press. The press boxes. Has the exact same heating environment as a New York City apartment, which is like the heat is on and it is 122 degrees. So you have to open a window. [00:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's yes, 100. Where you literally are like, is my. Is my leg on fire? [00:36:12] Speaker A: I this is the only time this has ever happened, right? And I'm a tired boy these days. I Quick, quick one. [00:36:23] Speaker B: Oh, I know, I know. I Remember this story? Yeah. [00:36:26] Speaker A: So I have two young children that don't sleep. A Lottie was up this morning at 4, being like, I'm hungry. It's like, you need to go back to bed. And also like, I'm screwed because up at 4, it's like, how am I getting back to bed? And then waking up, you know, two, three hours later to get everybody out the door. I'm not complaining about it. This is my fault. Tried to get it in. This is what happens. And so when Lottie was first, my three year old now was first born. The warriors played that one play in game against the Kings and got absolutely smoked, right? And at the end, the end of the game, I'm in. And I think I have this right. I legitimately don't remember. It could have been another Sacramento game. Actually, it was a great Sacramento game. I think it was like a first round play, playoffs. It was incredible game. Steph goes off insane. And we're in the post game press conference in Golden 1 Center after it's like 10:30, I'm running on four hours sleep max. [00:37:26] Speaker B: It's also like a two, two and a half hour drive up there. [00:37:29] Speaker A: Two and a half hour drive up there. I still have to do the drive up there. And I. Steve Kerr walks into the room right behind me and I at that exact moment let out a huge yawn. And Steve kind of chastises me in front of everybody for being like tired and I can't be like, I have a young child. So that's. It haunts me to this day, like I can't yawn in front of Steve anymore. The only time I've ever fallen asleep on the job. Soldier Field, Monday Night Football, Bears, vikings. This was 2017. I had flown into Chicago like red eye flight, had a bunch of stuff, was out with old friends because I was younger, had friends then. And man, I get into that press box and it's a 95 degrees outside and it's like three hours till game time. And I just went down and I wake up sometime in like the third quarter. No one touched me, no one talked. I knew people in the press box, they're like, let them sleep, let them go. Most embarrassing. [00:38:38] Speaker B: Gotta let a sleeping bear lie. [00:38:40] Speaker A: What the most embarrassing shit ever. And now I refuse to go back to the Soldier Field press box because I'm afraid I might. My body will be like, we could finally rest. [00:38:50] Speaker B: There's. That's beautiful. I mean there's something to that, like sort of baking in the sort of recycled air situation. Where that just the heat, it domes around you and envelops you and you're just like, this feels nice sleeping on [00:39:07] Speaker A: top of a laptop. So that's the Chicago Bears. That's the park district. How about I give you another name? [00:39:11] Speaker B: Sure. [00:39:12] Speaker A: I'm all, I'm all in on Oscar Delp. I'm all in. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Okay. [00:39:17] Speaker A: This is, this is maybe my tight end too. I love the grit. I think there's a lot more plus in the past game than he got credit for having Lucky on the other side who can't really block all that well. Though I do think there's upside there, I do too, in the ability to block. Like, I think either of these guys would be great. I think, I think Lucky just physically [00:39:39] Speaker B: doesn't know what he's doing. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like a baby giraffe out there. He has no idea how these limbs are working. [00:39:45] Speaker B: And sometimes it does work and it [00:39:46] Speaker A: looks, it looks pretty great. But Delt knows what he's doing and I think that like baseline for Delp, he's a Charlie Warner, right. Knows how to angle block like he's there. He can get his face into it. He's big, he's strong. He's not the biggest or the strongest, but he's, he's quality. He's a good football player. But then you see him sometimes on, on these routes and coming over the middle on like a little 5, 7 yard dig and you're like, damn, that's pretty good. Not nothing special, nothing crazy, but just wildly competent. And when you think about some of the better tight ends in the NFL, when you think about like Sam Laporta or when you think about a TJ Hawkinson, and we're not comparing them to, you know, a George Kittle or Travis Kelsey, who's an unbelievable route runner or at least was like. But when you think about these other guys who people are like, those are good tight ends. Like, what particular skill set stands out to those guys? Nothing. They're really competent at a lot of stuff. That's what Oscar Delp reads to me. He just looks like someone who's going to come in as extremely competent at a lot of stuff. If I do remember correctly, he, much like Pat Spencer, was a very high level lacrosse player. That kind of stuff matters to me too. Maybe that's the new. Like he, he was a wrestler, so now he's a. Look, you know, we get lacrosse players, so, so there's a lot of, you know, open field athleticism. And as someone who actually like will turn on lacrosse every now and again. Lacrosse is just a game of one on ones and you have to find deft ways with people backpedaling to make them not come with you. So I'm, I like the concept of how that would translate when actually put into a more past prevalent offense at the NFL level because again, he just was their fifth option in, in the Georgia offense because you had three great wide receivers or at least high level, five star whatever wide receivers and then lucky he was a better receiving tight end than him. I, I just, I'm very much in on Delp. I'm surprised that there hasn't been more buzz about him as kind of a day two option. I, I would take him on day two. I would take him in round three in a heartbeat. I think he's my number two tight end, frankly. And in a pretty shitty tight end class. [00:41:54] Speaker B: I actually think it's, it's a decent tight end class, but not at the top. Like there's nice middle. Yeah, well, in terms of the top, I'm talking about the perceived top where you go to the top of the class and there's Sadiq and then there's a huge drop off where it's like Trig and Claire and Stowers and Jolie and you're like that group I feel a little weird about. And it's a little bit of sort of the, the guy the Rams got who played also played at Oregon, who is much longer and it's sort of like a move. Tight end. [00:42:29] Speaker A: Ferguson. [00:42:30] Speaker B: Terrence Ferguson. Yeah, Terrence Ferguson. [00:42:31] Speaker A: And. [00:42:32] Speaker B: And there's a little bit of that. And I think there's something a little bit more to. Claire. I am not a trig guy. I am. [00:42:38] Speaker A: I'm not either. I do think the, in an offense that's willing to use him, kind of like the Chargers used around a Gadsden last year, there's something. But he doesn't even have those hands. [00:42:47] Speaker B: It's tough because he was like used as an insert blocker. And you're like, why are you using this guy whose limbs are as long as his entire body length as a fullback? This doesn't make any sense. The Big 12 should be removed from the planet. Moving on. [00:43:03] Speaker A: I mean, Jake, every time we talk it's like, dude, these college coaches need to be tried. [00:43:09] Speaker B: What are we doing? Like, look at the skill set your player has and maybe adapt. And they're like, no, we run this system. It's like, well, maybe you should not. Maybe you should adapt. I'm going to go with the True. Day three tight end true. On the back of that, will KAC Mark the second Ohio State tight end? [00:43:27] Speaker A: Yep. Just blocking tight end. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Outstanding inline blocker. There's a lot of people who like Derek Moore out of Michigan. I'm not one of them. I think he is. I listen, I'm not saying there's. There's nothing to him. I'm saying you're not locked on them. Never seen a player rage harder than Derek Moore more consistently. If you watch the tape against Ohio State, will CAC Mark makes him literally rage every single snap to the point that he's losing it. He gets penalized just because Kacmark is blocking him into the sun. Every single play. He literally pancakes him. It's astounding. And I don't know that he's that much more than that. He's a little bit like what Luke Farrell should be in terms of size. And you always go back to like the same, but it's, you know, and. And I don't like that they have a tight fault to that. But he really can drive people. And I think as an inline blocker, which is kind of rare in terms of the tight ends nowadays, like, I think if you want a guy that actually plays like traditional tight end, like as an extension of your offensive line, yeah, he's. He's really capable of that. And he occasionally lunges. I want him to be better in space. He's weirdly like max clears much better in space. And sometimes you put him out in space and he kind of lunges. Sure, whatever. But in terms of like a guy who can pull and do every. Every single thing you want in the run game and even hold up one on one and pass protection a little bit. [00:44:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:58] Speaker B: I think he's an awesome day three pickup who just has a lot of strength and anchor and drive in those like, short areas that not a lot of tight ends have, especially coming in draft. [00:45:09] Speaker A: Look at how much money Charlie Kohler got. Look at how much money Luke Farrell got. Blocking tight ends matter, especially when you think about how many teams. Not the Niners, heaven forbid the Niners ever do this. Want to do a jumbo set on first or second down or in short yardage? [00:45:23] Speaker B: Yep. [00:45:23] Speaker A: Like, jumbo sets are a big deal. The Bills are probably going to keep doing six offensive linemen. Ravens do a lot of six offensive linemen. Here's a wild idea. Go get yourself a six offensive lineman that's actually not an offensive lineman. So they don't have to report eligible, right? In theory, yeah. And by the Way like you don't throw it to him unless no one covers them, which happens a lot. And now, you know, now you're playing on the. If there was somebody out there who could line up and be your six offensive linemen, a la George Kittle or whatever, but also be your best receiver, he'd be a first round pick like that's, that's just the cut and dry of it. Or a fifth round pick that totally panned out in a crazy way. Like no one's, everyone's looking for the next George Kittle. There will be no more next George Kittles that are fifth round picks that turn into these incredible things because everyone knows what they're looking for now. And so the idea of just taking the blocking tight end, I would much rather have that than have a guy who can't block because that's just a shitty receiver. And I would rather have the shitty offensive lineman because most offensive linemen these days are shitty. So I like that one. That's a really good one. What number would you put on? Like is, does he play for the Niners in any way? As the draft is currently? [00:46:40] Speaker B: You could definitely take him with one of those fourths. Depending on who's available. I do think better tight ends will be available at that slot. Like there's a world where like Dallin Bentley is there. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Yes. [00:46:51] Speaker B: There's even a world where Delp is still available. Like tight end gets. It's tough to predict, but I think if there's like Bentley available, I think if there's Delp, the, the Texas kid injuries is interesting, but after that I think Kacmark, if he's available, I, I think you'd feel fine taking him at the end around four. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Let me throw. I got two more for you. We've talked about this guy a lot. I've never gotten his name right once. Kieran Crawford out of all. Okay, I see it, baby. I, I, I, I see the vision. DJ Durkin didn't see it, which is obscene, and they dropped him into playing linebacker repeatedly. But this kid's got crazy first step. He's long. I think he plays with really good functional strength. On the very rare occurrences where they allowed him to do that. I can try to be glass half full for the first time ever in my life and be like, imagine if you had someone who was like 6, 5, 2, 60, and you're like, you know what we need from him right now? Play linebacker. That's pretty good athleticism if that's something that they're defaulting to kind of in the same way where, you know, Steve Wilkes is out there and he's like, we don't need a free safety. We have Fred Warner and he's going to drop back 25 yards at a time in Tampa. Two, like, there's something there. And if we're talking day three where you should in theory get either really good production and it makes no sense as to how they did it, or makes no sense why they didn't have production because they're such great athletes. I like, especially for a team that's looking for a sub package pass rusher, doesn't need to do anything. Doesn't need to do anything but get quarterback on third down when we're just pinned our ears back and we're going, I think he, Ron Crawford shows up at camp and you're like, oh, damn, how'd this guy end up in the fourth round? He has that. And that's, that's what I really like. I like this sort of extrapolation where you watch this guy and you're like, you put him in a camp with this, with a strict role, a strict job, how quickly does everyone be like, oh, damn, how do we get that guy in the fourth round? Kind of like an Upton Stout last year where it's like, damn, that guy was in the fifth round. It's like, yeah, well, they were moving him in a bunch of different ways. It didn't make any sense. Now he has a very specific job. He can get coached up on that specific job. Like, yeah, he's going to be pretty good because he looks like he could be good at that job. Key Ron Crawford looks like he could be a really good pass rusher. I don't think he's going to hold up all that well against the run, but I do think that he can maybe give you what Bryce Huff gave you last year, maybe even a little bit more because he does have the frame. I just, I really like him. And that athleticism is something that you can't teach. So he got done dirty by his coaches at Auburn. Had he transferred and gone and played for a real goddamn football program, he'd probably be talked about as a, you know, second round, maybe even fringe first round pick right now. But I just, I can see it now where you show. We show up at rookie minicamp and it's all, you know, guys in shorts and just doing drills and you're like, who the hell is that guy? And it's like, oh, that's Kieran Crawford. And then it kind of never Fades from there. Just somebody who outperforms because they are asked to do less at the NFL level than they were ever asked to do in college. And get. Get this, they get good at the thing that they're asked to do because they were able to do so many things competently at the college level. Imagine what you could do with some focus. So I like Kieran Crawford a lot. [00:50:15] Speaker B: I'll give you one last one before we take some questions. [00:50:19] Speaker A: I want to throw one more at you after that. [00:50:20] Speaker B: No, no, no, I'm gonna get. [00:50:21] Speaker A: Listen, you're done. I got it. Yeah, lay it on me. [00:50:26] Speaker B: J. Sean Barham from Michigan, who's like an LB Edge. Almost like, okay, again, it's tough when you make comps because you try and you're going off like the most readily available recent thing. So, like, if I'm gonna be sort of not quite accurate about my comp, I would say very, very, very discount or Vel Reese. [00:50:49] Speaker A: Okay. [00:50:50] Speaker B: Like, it's not quite. Again, I'm. He's different because he's much bendier, but it's like a linebacker edge. I think he's more of a true edge. He's thin, but he's long. He's bendy, has crazy speed and bend a little princely. Uman Miellen. [00:51:04] Speaker A: Ish. [00:51:05] Speaker B: But he's a little bit more direct and he converts that speed to power despite a thin frame. Really well. I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of him. I just think he's, like, going to be a potentially outstanding 3, 4 linebacker who somebody is going to get a steal with in, like round four or [00:51:23] Speaker A: five, even with the Niners, do you think, as like a. And this is something that maybe we haven't talked about enough, they're going to want to do a lot of odd man fronts this year, a lot of five man fronts. It's something that they've tried to do the last two years that has not worked out all that well. But now, now that you have Raheem and it's like, pretty clear that they wanted to do it because Raheem was doing it elsewhere. Now Raheem is here. Feels like something they can do. So, guys, who would qualify maybe as a 3, 4 outside back? Like, is he somebody who could qualify on that one? [00:51:58] Speaker B: I agree. I think. And I think he could work again. I don't know that I'm going to love. I mean, I'm not going to love him as like a true Edge setter. No, that's not his role. But I do Think at a certain point as the draft gets weirder and as like that top group of edge rushers go and you go, okay, well, the top group is gone. Is Gabe Jack is there? No, somebody took him at pick 42. He's not there for us. Then you get into the rest of it. I think someone like Barum and Crawford, where you go, we just want somebody who has like pure explosion. [00:52:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:31] Speaker B: Pure burst. And we're going to say, it might not work. It might be a total mismatch with our defense. It's not going to go. But we also run a wide nine and we say get off the ball and fly. And we're going to say these guys can fly. And it's not typically what we want, but we kind of have everything else. The rest of our front, we have the size in the front and the power of guys to like eat up gaps and eat up space. And now that we have Dre Greenlaw back and a little bit of physicality at linebacker, maybe we trust a little bit for guys to scrape and clean up behind him. Yeah, maybe you say, like, I don't care if this is a fit. We need somebody that's got a little bit of juice. And I could see that being a fit. [00:53:15] Speaker A: Again, we're kind of going back same place. But these schools do have a type. I was a little bit stunned last year when one of my guys, Josiah Stewart, went to the Rams. But there's a lot where you're like just, I assume it's kind of just an outside guy. Well, you can put them at weak side, defensive end, teach them how to do that, build that up. But at the same time, if you're going to do the odd man front, you're going to go to a five man front. Or you can just have, you know, the Rams get a little weird, right. They can mix it up on the front. They're not as dogmatic about how they run their fronts because they have so many good players. They mix in them. Donald, they wanted him at 1 or 0 tech a lot, but Josiah Stewart ended up just being a defensive end for them that sometimes would stand up as a fifth guy. And as the season went on, he was a third round pick. As the season went on, he got more and more run. I really liked him. I thought that it was a bold play by the Rams. I thought they drafted maybe a round or two too early, but it looked great. It looked great. And there's a lot of similarities there. And I wouldn't be shocked if maybe the Josiah Stewart Mold, as alleged is something that the Niners are looking for. Especially when you consider. Okay at 27 and 58. Like, people are talking like, our Mason Thomas at 27. It's like, dude, hang out in the fourth round. I got 7R. Mason Thomas's 100%. [00:54:34] Speaker B: So just what do we just wait, just like, take a cheaper spin at the wheel? You're like, don't. Don't spin the wheel early unless it's somebody with like, undeniable. [00:54:43] Speaker A: Where totally. [00:54:45] Speaker B: If it's a calvary folk where you're like, there's just too much there and. And it might not work, but it's so clear and undeniable that there's just that raw talent and unteachable size. Yeah. Then you have to. But a guy that's like short armed and you kind of have to squint to be like, it could really work or not. I don't know. [00:55:03] Speaker A: Don't be drafting one trick ponies at 27 or even a 58. One trick ponies are for day three. Or you can move up if you feel like everyone's going to get in on them and move back up into round three because you have the ammunition. [00:55:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Who's your last guy? [00:55:15] Speaker A: Well, I'm going to. I'm going to throw two, but I'm going to be really fast about the first one. Okay. Along the same lines of shows up in camp and everyone's like, damn, how'd they get that guy? That guy's really competent and good. Markel Bell, the Miami offensive tackle, he is not going to be special. He's not going to be. But like, I can imagine Markel Bell just being a starter in the NFL for like seven years in sort of the Colton McKivitz mode, where everyone's like, is he good? And every team is like, yeah, like, he is good. But fans have no idea what makes him good because he'll give up a sack to speed rushers every now. Markel Bell is just a competent pro and I'm not as concerned as others that he won't be able to translate because he's a big dude. He's 6 9. He's like 350. He's a hulker. I'm not as concerned as it seems the draft Knicks are about his ability to handle NFL speed off the edge. Because I just think that he know his first step is really solid. When he gets his hands on you, it's over. And I think with all these projections early, I'm almost. Maybe this is a personal Thing I want to counterbalance that. Give me somebody who I know is just going to be fine. Just give me someone I know is going to be fine. Instead of playing this, you know, Monroe Freeling who puts out awful tape but like he could be incredible. So you're going to waste a. I don't know. [00:56:40] Speaker B: The Freelings tape is awful. [00:56:42] Speaker A: I really don't like it. I re. When we're talking for. If we're talking, you know, second or third round. No, it's good tape there. Talking top 10 pick now. Doesn't make any sense. What are we talking about? What are we doing? What's going on here? So I can't get it out of my head. So I just like Markel Bell, the guy that, that I had been searching for this entire process. [00:57:05] Speaker B: Yep. [00:57:06] Speaker A: The guy who made me feel something as a day three defensive lineman. I always have one. I always find one. I can't find my running back this year. That guy on, on day three who I'm like, oh, I love this guy. This guy's gonna be great. But I always find a defensive tackle. Don't worry about. I'll get there. Jake, is Nick McBarrett out of South Carolina? [00:57:29] Speaker B: I wasn't telling you to speed up. I'm just saying I am on the same page. He is dear. [00:57:33] Speaker A: Safe. Say it. I gotta talk about this guy. [00:57:35] Speaker B: Getting stamps. Getting stamps from both of us. [00:57:38] Speaker A: I love them. I love them. Hands, heavy nose for a football. Motor running hot. Burst off the line. Way better than you'd think. Like really, really solid. Can be a gap splitter of the like just shy of the highest order at the NFL level. Yeah. I think he had a great force at the point of attack, like big boy. And it's so funny. I watched a lot of South Carolina. I watch a lot of sec more than any other conference combined frankly. And South Carolina, I thought had like three first round caliber defensive linemen on the team this year. So talented to the point where. And I like I knew Nick Barrett. Like I talked about him a bunch. I talked about him apropos of nothing during the season on this show. I didn't think he was in the draft because no one else had mentioned like you are part of some sort of. Like I hadn't gotten down to the. Part of the chart yet. Whatever. No one else was talking about him. I thought he wasn't in the draft. Apparently people just don't like him. I'm not saying take him in round one, but if you wanted to take him at 58, I'd be down. Like, I. It's a stretch, it's unnecessary, but I'd be down. My goodness. He is. He is fun to watch. It makes me feel a lot of the same ways that C.J. west made me feel last year. I'm being honest, and I think he's better. [00:59:00] Speaker B: Barrett's. Barrett's a specimen. I just. I love it. I love it. I mean, I had very little. I don't even know. I'm looking through my notes. I didn't even really have anything that I was a huge, hugely disappointed by. He was just so disruptive. [00:59:15] Speaker A: Yep. [00:59:16] Speaker B: Was able to take double teams. Tremendous balance, quick. [00:59:19] Speaker A: He can take two like nobody's business. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Awesome player. Awesome player. [00:59:23] Speaker A: He's great. I would say 127. If I had to circle something right now, like, ideal draft, immediate A plus. I'm going to grade everything on the curve. [00:59:34] Speaker B: And he's a guy that ends up being there, too. It's also like, you check and you're like, oh, yeah. He has no, like, in terms of physical, like, limitations, like, yeah, he's short, but, like weights great. Solid, fine. Arm length, fine. Hand size decent, like, above average. Broad and vertical. Like, where there's nothing. Where you're like, okay, am I missing something? Is he, like, a really bad athlete? No, he's not. He's not. He's not an outrageous specimen, but he's like football. Totally, totally fine to slightly above average. [01:00:05] Speaker A: I love him. I love him. And of course, this will now be the guy who gets taken in the second round. And everyone's like, who? Where? Huh? What? Lock draft database didn't say this. [01:00:17] Speaker B: God. Can we just briefly, before we move on to questions, talk about the guy, Lee Hunter, what was that? Why he was, like, being mocked at the end of round one, and I just cannot still, to this very second, cannot wrap my head around what people thought or saw or went in any way, why that that was ever around. One talent and then it's like, oh, he tested terribly. [01:00:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, he can't move. [01:00:47] Speaker B: No explosion. [01:00:48] Speaker A: You want to hear a bet right now? You want to hear about right now? I don't think Lee Hunter gets taken until the fifth round. I think that he is entirely a product of a couple of good reps at the Senior bowl against shitty competition. Not to say all the Senior bowl competition was shitty. Just the one on one reps that he got there were made to make him look good in a lot of ways. Not that that was a conscious decision, but it really worked out for him. I'll just bluntly say he got lucky at the Senior Bowl. And everyone's then like, wow, what a disruptive force. He's 300 and something pounds doing one on ones against, you know, 290 pound centers. It was always over. It was always over because we have a lot of light centers in this draft class. And that's what he was going up against almost exclusively, by the way. You watch him against a true guard doesn't go as well, but. And then you watch the tape and you're like, where? What? Huh? I mean, I see him, can't miss him, but there's nothing there. And it's not like he's the one where if you were really trying to be nice to him, be like, well, those defensive ends, they wouldn't have gotten free if it wasn't for Lee Hunter. Didn't say that once. And we've watched more Texas Tech film than anybody in West Texas over the last couple of weeks. So like the idea that this guy was, he's not getting taken until round five. He'll get taken because at some point some team will be like, I don't know, we gotta throw one around. Who do people say is good? And they'll be like, oh, Hunter was well mocked. It's. Yeah, it's not fair. But this has a lot of Shador Sanders on it. Not in the same realm of where it's some media conspiracy thing. It's just early impression. First mock draft. And then because mock drafts are all just plagiarism machines, where it's like, oh, what did that guy say? I have to copy that. Because we're not actually gathering intel, we're just guessing and we need to make our guesses look plausible compared to other people's guesses. So the plagiarism machine plays your machine. He keeps falling, but he won't get all the way down because at some point be like, well, someone had him mocked in round one. Like, I can't have him going in the fifth round. I'd look like an idiot. And then guess what happens come draft time. He's going to go in the fifth round. [01:03:03] Speaker B: That's my, Yeah, I, I had him as like around 4. I, I wouldn't be shocked if he goes after day three. [01:03:10] Speaker A: All right, let's take question time. [01:03:12] Speaker B: Vice. Why not just drop Grando in his receiver, get some use out of this. We talked about this. [01:03:17] Speaker A: He's an awful, he's an awful route runner. [01:03:20] Speaker B: He's just not a good football player. [01:03:22] Speaker A: I think I, if I need to find A way to make Isaac Arundo useful. I do think that he is specifically built if he could just hold on to the damn ball, which is a ridiculous ask and will never happen. He'd be so good on kick returns. It's exactly what you want. You want weight and speed for kick returns. He gets a running head start. All he has to do is make, you know, see one hole and go to it. Like that should be awesome. And yet he can't even do that. So how am I to a little [01:03:56] Speaker B: bit of the Trey Lance, like maybe a nice guy hesitation. Oh. [01:04:02] Speaker A: Just doesn't. Doesn't hit the hole. Yeah. [01:04:05] Speaker B: Just not so much willing to sacrifice every part of his being. Maybe that's a harsh criticism. Maybe that's overreaching. [01:04:13] Speaker A: I don't know if I've ever picked that up, but clearly the tape shows it. [01:04:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:18] Speaker B: I mean listen, that was something we talked about. It's just there's so much to like in terms of the athleticism and you're just. It just doesn't. I don't know. Maybe somebody else will figure it out but. [01:04:28] Speaker A: No, they won't. He's. He's going to be in the ufl. They just. You look at UFL rosters and it's just a lot of guys like Isaac Arendo. [01:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:38] Speaker A: It was an idea. [01:04:39] Speaker B: Somebody will take another shot. [01:04:41] Speaker A: Well, I know a team. I know a team who'll probably end up bringing him in. Isaac Arundo, you are a Washington commander. Attach him to Brandon Iuk. Let's. Let's get real weird. How many players can we get on the Brandon Iuk trade and just make it a. [01:04:58] Speaker B: Make it a was rounder next year. [01:05:00] Speaker A: Dilute the formula. It's like, oh, it wasn't a Brandon Iuk trade. It was an IUK and Braden Willis and Isaac Garendo trade and Nick Martin like all of these guys were in on it and we're taking back all the players they don't want. I know here's Luke McCaffrey and I don't even. [01:05:16] Speaker B: I don't know. I know it's going to get strange. How did this real life version of me me and my last time the 49ers picked up a veteran safety. Gibson did well is Simmons. I don't know what this question is asking. [01:05:32] Speaker A: Okay, let's. Let's try to reverse engineer it. Simmons. So this is I would presume Justin Simmons, the safety. [01:05:39] Speaker B: Justin Simmons. [01:05:40] Speaker A: Okay. This came from now I got it. Apparently every episode I have to absolutely. On somebody in the media space. This was Dante Whitner, who apparently has a podcast now because no one will hire him to be an analyst anymore, saying, they gotta go do this, they gotta go do this. And because we have nothing else to talk about, because no one actually does their work on draft prospects, they just take what other people regurgitate. And again, plagiarism machine. This became some sort of a storyline. I have told Dante this to his face, so I have no problem saying this now. I don't think Dante knows what he's talking about. Just because you played in the NFL and were a very good player in the NFL doesn't mean you have tremendous insight into what's going on in the current NFL. And I've had it out with him a bunch of times on a bunch of different subjects. And I am undefeated when it comes to getting into it with Dante Whitner in public forums where we have differing opinions. Still undefeated. And I'm going to remain undefeated here. I do not think Justin Simmons is coming on a trade to the San Francisco 49ers. That's not how they go about their business. And in fact, I would say that safety is leaning as it stands now, to be a position where they wait and see and maybe make a trade at the deadline or maybe just wait a year because there's a lot of young talent and they feel they have a true secondaries whisperer for the first time since Wilkes, frankly. And even then, this one, they trust a hell of a lot more because he's, you know, part of the family, quote, unquote. I think they're gonna. I think they're gonna see it through with. With the guys that they have, maybe add one in the draft, maybe add somebody that's already been on the team or played for either Raheem or Kyle before in, you know, cheap free agency, something to that effect. But I. I do not expect to splash at safety. It would have already been made. [01:07:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm with you. [01:07:39] Speaker A: How did this show start? Do you remember? [01:07:41] Speaker B: No chance chances. Niners overreach for a wide receiver who doesn't work out and avoids improving. OL 100 guaranteed. It's not how that word's spelled, but [01:07:53] Speaker A: it's also not 100 guaranteed. Like, will the Niners overreach for a wide receiver? Like, this would be a year where I would guess that to be less likely than most. Not to say it's impossible. And then everyone keeps saying, improve the offensive line. It's this concept, it's this panacea for the fan base. And it's like, okay, how? Because here's the deal. Robert Jones is pretty good. This is good. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Cowache Simmons is a free agent, so they would have already done it would have already happened. Unless he wants to come in on an Uber cheap deal. It would have already happened and maybe that happens on the uber cheap deal, but that was not the way it was presented by Whitner, at least in the very loose research I did for that subject. Back to this. Where do you need to improve the offensive line? Like where, Where? Left guard. I'm actually kind of a. I'm. I'm in on Robert Jones. I'm in on him. I think he's good. I think he's a good player. I think you're going to be just fine with him as your starter. That's not to say he can't improve. I agree. But is some rookie going to beat this guy out? I don't think. I don't think a rookie's beating this guy out. Also, you have to take into account coaches determine who plays Robert Jones from just tape. Don't know the guy. Haven't done any intel on the guy, but just the tape. This guy clearly knows what's happening. Like the one thing that stands out is like this guy's head's on a swivel and he does not look panicked. He looks like he is in full control of the situation and looks to be the guy that everyone on the offensive line is looking to for the answers. You don't think coaches are going to like that. So if you have competent on field play and you're a coach on the field, like you don't think Chris first is going to be down with that. Like, I think that Robert Jones is probably going to be their guy. Not to say that they can't do the draft, but you know, I'm also, you know, a lot of people saying, oh, you got to take a guard at 27, no, you can't. I'm not. We're not going to break down fifth year options again. But like, you really can't. That's terrible team building and there's not a guard worthy of it. [01:09:58] Speaker B: Real quick. Yeah, I think they will draft an offensive lineman. Chances they overreach for a wide receiver. I think this is based on people believing pure souls, a pure bust. [01:10:09] Speaker A: They don't. [01:10:09] Speaker B: That's your opinion. I disagree. It's also injuries which can turn out to be a bust because of injuries, but year three is sort of a deciding factor. [01:10:20] Speaker A: Also the option picked up at the end of the year or not. [01:10:23] Speaker B: The Niners also drafted early. The first one is Dante Pettis. That was a bust. But they drafted Debo and they drafted Aiuk. Those both worked out. So I think people have this idea that they overreached for wide receivers. Like Danny Gray was a third round pick in the COVID year. That was whatever knew that probably wasn't going to work out. But the upside was high. Jordan Watkins was a fourth rounder. Like I actually think they. They generally have a D, do a decent job on wide receivers and know what they're looking for. O line. Yeah, they're very stubborn. We've talked a lot about how they value O line. They don't want to pay for guards. They won't pay for guards. [01:11:02] Speaker A: They will. [01:11:03] Speaker B: They did draft Aaron Banks in the second round and I do think if the right guy's there, they will think about it. [01:11:08] Speaker A: At same with Puni. Agreed. [01:11:11] Speaker B: Agreed. Puny was the third round pick. Has worked out. [01:11:14] Speaker A: I mean I could have. Sorry. Let me. Let me pop these out real fast. Just on the same level. Like I think Brendel needs to go. We can't talk about Brendel needing to go anymore. The tape is way better than y' all are noticing. Everyone says Brendel's got to go. He ain't going. He ain't going this year. You can draft the back, you can draft his successor, but he ain't going. [01:11:33] Speaker B: I think. I think they need to have a succession plan in place this year. [01:11:37] Speaker A: They need to. Toth is the backup center as it stands. [01:11:40] Speaker B: Correct. [01:11:41] Speaker A: And then O lines. Yeah. Backup center is Toth. So there. There it is. And then this is a good point from cow achieved though, like Robert Jones, Miami. And then the Cowboys sign him. He's got an injury. He doesn't play last year. Yeah, Cowboys neck. Which is worrying fair. Which is why you get them cheap. And maybe it doesn't work out. Injuries are different than a bust. It can turn. It can all be classified as a bus. But injuries are different than a bust. Busts are guys who are out there and can play but can't. So at least as I view it. So Cowboys. I mean, yeah, really impressive offensive line situation. Their offensive coordinator is a former O line guy. About as good as it gets. It would be great if I could remember his name off the top of my head. I can't. He's unbelievable. He's outstanding. And then. Yeah. Point me to the tape. The tapes available to you at all times and every show is archived here on YouTube. Feel free to scrabble it. What do we got? [01:12:33] Speaker B: More from Sunday Living chances now. We already read that one. Mason Grundo, then James. I can't wait for the 49ers to draft to get it right. I mean, I don't know that they're good running backs. I mean, Mason was better than those. But, like, there's been no proof with Garendo or James being good players. Another one I use the Cancer Niners of issues. Cutting ties. Same cut. Trent. [01:12:57] Speaker A: No, no. Well, first off, he's. He is cut at the end of the year. It's a contract void thing. Can I quickly. Yeah, I got a good email, my work account, along these same lines of like, ah, this guy sucks. Just let him go. Is talking about Trent Williams. [01:13:12] Speaker B: So I understand exasperation, but also, that's not really right. [01:13:15] Speaker A: And also, we've been through this before. Show. You know, let's all pretend like we've done this before, huh? Here, here. The question was can. Sorry, there's a lot of nonsense in here, but could you tag him for next year? And the answer is no, you cannot tag him because he has contract voids. So you can't tag him at the end of the year, which is an interesting thought, which is he makes this money now. Now he has these void years. Just tag him. Now he has to come and play. There's, you know, whatever. But you don't actually lose him. You tag him because of void years. You can't tag. Then the question is, does he count for comp picks? It's actually a tricky question. The answer is yes, void years do count for comp picks, but not if you read the CBA verbatim. If you read the CBA verbatim, it says that the contract has to be completely off the books. Later in the cba, it says that void years that automatically hit don't count as actual void years when it comes to comp picks. So the CBA literally contradicts itself in its language about comp picks. For Trent, none of this is going to matter. But it is something that I had to figure out this week, and I figured I'd share with the. Share with the class. Like, he's going to sign. He'll sign. It's not going to be an issue. Void years are void years. It's. It's all good. [01:14:37] Speaker B: Yep. [01:14:37] Speaker A: Okay. [01:14:38] Speaker B: All right. I think that's. We. There's. There's a couple more. [01:14:41] Speaker A: Let's give it. Let's give a shout out to Adam McKee. Sorry, Adam, you're right. I did not update the shout out list. This is your shout out. It's right here. Right now, we're isolating you out single, and you will be added to the list. I didn't want to do it in real time because heaven forbid we don't focus. Okay. [01:14:56] Speaker B: All right. [01:14:57] Speaker A: Bye. [01:14:58] Speaker B: See you, folks.