Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: Hutch, Thursday 5th March, which means we are in the absolute thick of NFL free agency, even though we're not supposed to talk about it. It's all happening. It's happening left, right and center, Jake. And I don't know, are you excited about it? You're deep. You're deep in the draft hole. Like, you're.
[00:00:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I came out of it and I went, oh, there's free agency. And then I look and people like, just talking about Max Crosby and I'm like, what? Okay, so I've missed nothing. No one's serious about this. That's fair.
People are like, Max Crosby, Trey Hendrickson, which, again, the level of seriousness they like to take free agency with remains the same every year. It's always, just go sign expensive big free agent defensive end or trade all of your picks for him. Which. Hey, okay, whatever.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: Are you. Are you referencing that the Niners would only like the Niners or just general fandom being.
[00:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's just. I don't see it. I don't see it. And I. I really don't expect it to happen.
[00:01:13] Speaker B: To break down. Why? I don't see it, to be clear.
Like, I don't think that they can put together enticing enough package to beat out a lot of other teams.
[00:01:23] Speaker A: Also. Why would they. Why would they put up two draft picks when, like, two first round picks when they need as many young players as they can and they have paid Nick Bosa a million dollars.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: Just go get that. That first round pick for Mac Jones. Can I just say crickets.
Hold on, let me make sure I don't have any clear. Let me clear off some notifications before I make my very strong point. There's crickets on the old idea here.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: A soundboard. We need a soundboard. That's just literal crickets.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: That would. We would fully commit to our futures as one day we market DJs.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: One day we shall get a soundboard.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: I mean, I can literally put it together. I think. I think actually we do have one bit of sound that I can play.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: Oh, God.
[00:02:11] Speaker B: So we do have a soundboard.
It's only Tim Allen grunts.
Which is the best kind of soundboard, if we're being honest. No, I haven't heard everyone.
Everyone was so frothy, which is the word of the year for 2026 for Dieter Kurtenbach about. Oh, Mac Jones. Mac Jones. Mac Jones. Mac Jones. Anyone want to tell me who wants this guy? Anyone except the Niners, because I haven't heard it yet. Still haven't heard it. We're weeks, months into this whole charade of Mac Jones is getting traded for a second round pick.
Y' all are just making it up now because every NFL team knows what they're trying to do and their second plan and their third plan at quarterback and. And Mac Jones doesn't seem to be on anybody's list except for that emergency option. And even then, probably not
[00:02:57] Speaker A: seem like it's happening, does it?
[00:02:59] Speaker B: Doesn't seem like it.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: Does not seem like it's happening at all.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: I'm glad everyone got those clicks while you could, but I hope that everyone also holds those people to account for yapping about something that had no substantiation at all.
Sorry, I don't mean I'm not upset about it. I'm just. I found the whole thing rather ludicrous because it took like, I don't know, an afternoon of sending out some messages to be like, what are you hearing about Mac? And you know, you hit with a couple agents, you hit with a couple people in the league, you hit with a couple of people who are, you know, in positions of power. And all of them are like, yeah, niners wanted a second round pick and a player, like a top 50 pick and a player. No one's going to give them that when there's a bunch of other quarterbacks who we all view as the same, that don't cost that like we can throw money around.
I don't want to give up for Mac Jones.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: I think it's. I think no one wants to face the reality of life, which is that things are meh.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: It's just, man, they're just dark.
[00:04:03] Speaker A: It's just. I'm trying to turn this around, a free agency, which is. No, there's all these big, bright, shiny things and there's like a go get the guy. Which every time the Niners have done that, it has destroyed them financially and they have proactively been reactive. Can I say that they have, they have proactively waited out the first wave of free agency. Over the last, I think, year or
[00:04:27] Speaker B: two, they've gone Jayvon Hargrave effect going
[00:04:30] Speaker A: for the second tier guys. So yeah, I don't think there's like any clear indication that they're going to go out and get really, I mean, I mean there's people talking about Reek Woolen. I just think so many other teams have such clear needs than they do
[00:04:47] Speaker B: and so much more money to spend. I mean that, that's the other thing. Like legitimately, is there any indication that the Niners are interested in spending cash money. This have money.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: I mean, they have a decent amount of cap space and they can clear more depending on what they do with Trent and Bosa.
[00:05:05] Speaker B: But there's no, there's no movement on the Trent thing, which is not terribly surprising in that.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: But it does affect like their agility and mobility, whatever you want to call it, in terms of like clearing up space, which is at least a reason that they can blame for if they are inactive.
I. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.
[00:05:27] Speaker B: As the Niners, as it stands now, and of course there's always move movement here. They have 37 million in cap space, effectively 33. This is per OTC, they have 63 guys on the roster.
[00:05:40] Speaker A: Right.
[00:05:40] Speaker B: So there's something there. The Chargers have like a hundred million. The Titans have like a hundred million. The Raiders have 88 million. The jets have 74. I'm not sure they know what to do with it, but I mean the
[00:05:51] Speaker A: 49ers will be clearing quite a bit with IUK, but that doesn't come into effect until June 1st. That's more about like, you know, clearing a little space that you budget in for how you structure the contracts. Yeah, I don't think it'll stop them, but they will sort of project how it is. Point is they have a fair amount of cap space. They also like to carry that cap space over because what they've done is structure it so that they kind of have to keep rolling it over because they've got all this dead money and money that's laid out into the future. Yeah, it's a circle. So realistically it might say they might get it up to even 50. I would bet with Trent, with Trent Bosa, they could get them. And Brandon Iuk, they can get that. I think north of 60 million.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: Again, they're only comfortably in past years they've only used about half of that, which means that they have effectively 2530 in CAP, which for all of their needs is like one player. Right. I know that there's manipulations and stuff, but so maybe two when they need seven.
[00:06:59] Speaker A: To me, they, they will go after one second tier player and probably end up with one. And then you might pick up some mid level guys that they will pretty clearly try and structure below the, the comp pick threshold.
[00:07:16] Speaker B: When you say second tier, what is that?
[00:07:21] Speaker A: I'm talking about not like a Linder bound, a Linderbaum's an A tier guy.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: So someone under 20.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: Okay.
It's important because we're about to talk about Some guys, I need to know who's in and who's out on Notre Hendrickson.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: Not Jalen Phillips even.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:39] Speaker A: You know, you're talking about like maybe older Khalil Mack, even though I don't think that's likely. But just in terms of tiering the thing, that's more what we're talking about.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: Let me. Let me just start throwing some names at you, actually. No, no, we should. We should not throw names at each other right now.
We should talk about Matt Eber Floose.
Yeah, I love it. Well, love is strong. I like it. I have no problem with this, mainly because Matt Eber Floose is not the defensive coordinator and I frankly wouldn't have had a huge problem.
There would have been more outrage, but I wouldn't have had a huge problem if he was their defensive coordinator because unlike Gus Bradley, this guy was a really good defensive coordinator recently.
Who's going to fix that Cowboys team last year, I ask you?
[00:08:32] Speaker A: No one.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: Prime Bill Belichick would have been screwed with that team.
[00:08:35] Speaker A: I think people misunderstand and I think a defensive like Lafleur bringing in what's his name, that Hackett. Right. Yeah, it's. It's like, it's not the same thing, but it's similar in terms of like a coach that's maligned for being sort of goofy and failing very publicly as a head coach.
And I think Floose is a very good defensive coordinator. I think, I don't think there's many people that would disagree with that.
That's why he was D.C. in Indy and got three years as the Bears head coach.
Shouldn't have had as long as he got. Dallas was a total mess.
I wouldn't want anything to do with that.
This is a perfect role of just.
Hey, general ideas again, what is an assistant head coach of defense do? No one exactly knows, but you're sort of. There's. There's an element of being a vibes guy and there's sort of an element of just like, what's your knowledge? Like, let's have some high level conversations about scheme. Like maybe take a look at this. What do you think of that?
Yeah, I don't know why anyone would have an issue with it. He's not the defensive coordinator. He's a sharp guy who's learned from Nick Saban and in it in an NFL that's increasingly playing cover six and you want to do some cool stuff with coverage, I see literally no reason to be upset about this.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: Well, Niners fans are upset about it. Because they. At least the ones that are in my comments right now on Twitter, only because they don't know ball.
Like, again, Matty Berfluse, hell of a defensive mind and an asset to your team.
Detail oriented, probably to a fault, frankly. Sometimes gets a little verbose elite in the room. Guys. Absolutely love him. I've heard this for a really long time.
I like him on a person. He won't remember me for schmo, but like, he was unbelievable when he was Mizzou's DC back in the day and I was a young reporter trying to figure it out.
So, like, he was great. He was great in that environment.
Again, who would have saved the Cowboys last year? Not a soul.
And what did Gus Bradley do?
He was the communicator of a lot of stuff. And maybe Gus Bradley was more of a.
I don't actually know what Gus Bradley special specialty was, but. Right. Like an assistant coach like this, they
[00:11:02] Speaker A: usually have a new red zone stuff.
[00:11:04] Speaker B: Yeah, to be fair, it was better. I mean, it's easier to be Ben, but don't break defense if you don't have as much room to bend. But fair enough. They did have wild success in the red zone, though. When you watch it, a lot of it is just like, what the hell was this other team doing?
This guy, I will say, is going to get the most out of linebackers. He is an unbelievable linebackers coach. And the Niners don't need that for 54. But everybody else, they absolutely do need it. And I think that if this move portends anything, it's. It's two things. One, the Niners are probably going to be more comfortable in taking young linebackers as opposed to maybe shopping for them because they believe that they have a better coach who can help with that. Not to say that they don't have good coaches in that regard, but it clearly hasn't been working all that great. At least if we look at this past year and maybe even the year before.
[00:12:00] Speaker A: Linebackers, I mean, I mean, De Winters had a good year until the end.
I mean, I think that's not usually
[00:12:06] Speaker B: how you like young players to go.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: I mean, let's be clear. Like, I feel like we rewrote De Winter's season at the end of the year. Like he had a great year and saved them in a lot of ways and then tailed off. He did. You've said this explicitly, that he talked about this.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: I mean, to be fair, like, he him from. Like he's saved them from themselves.
[00:12:27] Speaker A: Right. That's what I mean.
[00:12:29] Speaker B: I'M not disagreeing with that. I'm not saying Dee Winters is a scrub. I'm just saying that Dee Winters, if you're trying to compete for a Super bowl and he's your weak side linebacker, I don't think you can trust him now. You can play him.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: That's. I think that's fair. I think. I think he had a very strong year, and it was because of the way it ended, turned into, like.
I don't know. It's like people are just discounting him as even. Even an option to play Will, which I find.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: Okay, well, a little bit strange. I'm not going that far.
I. I will say, pun intended, that he needs some serious competition for the spot because he faded hard last year. I think the book got out on him on how to manipulate him. Furthermore, he clearly didn't know plays down the stretch, which is, again, kind of a red flag when we're deep into a season. The defense is getting simpler by the week, by the way, and you don't understand the play. So there is.
If they want to bet on, oh, Fred Warner is going to be next to him. So therefore, De Winters is going to be at his best. That's fine.
I'm not sure I like that bet.
And now bringing in a veteran, somebody who, you know, they're probably not expending a lot of money on this, like bringing in a veteran off a free agency to take that job. Interesting.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: Who'd you bring in?
Well, sorry, this is a bit because I've. I've just talked about this with Dieter Nonstop last year. It's just the most random name of all time that we. We literally talked about it.
I made Dieter think about Keem Davis Gaither Nonstop, and no one cares about him.
[00:14:16] Speaker B: You love it.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: But I really like Akeem Davis Gaither, and the Cardinals just released him and I'm like, he's going to be available for like $3 million.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: And is really athletic. Just go get him and then. Whatever.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: Can't argue with it. I can't argue with it.
But again, folks in the comments saying, like, oh, just play Eric Hendricks at will. Like the fact that Eric Hendricks came in and was immediately given the weak side linebacker job over De Winters. They're like, oh, we can't live like this anymore. And I get. I know Fred's not there, but the fact that they were so willing down the stretch to play anybody else. But. And I know there was some injury stuff.
Really kind of damning. And let's not forget the genesis of how he got that job in the first place, which was we want anybody but De Winters. And then Dee Winters was the only one who actually showed up. And a credit to him. I'm not saying cut him, not saying get rid of them. I'm just saying I don't love the trajectory of this defense to what it could be. If that's your only option at weak side linebacker. Like, he didn't do enough to solidify that job, in my opinion.
[00:15:19] Speaker A: I think that's fair. I think that's fair. I think going in and being like he's just. We don't need to consider other options would be foolish.
[00:15:25] Speaker B: Okay. Okay, Cool. And again, options.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: What options should we consider?
[00:15:29] Speaker B: Well, the, the other, the other aspect of the Eberfluss thing before we start considering options is Eber Floose technically likes to run a lot of the same stuff that Raheem has typically run, which is, of course, a lot of the same stuff that, you know, solo rant it, maintain sort of the ideology of that quote, unquote, Seattle defense, which has now morphed into 14 different things. But it's not a Fangio style defense. It's not a chaos style defense. It's a one gap fire lighter on the interior lightbox in general zone coverage kind of defense. Like, that's Eber Fluss's thing. And they're gonna, they're gonna be running a lot of COVID 6. Again, I don't think that this precludes them from going to a five man front more often. But this is not a guy who in his. His lineage is a blitzer. He doesn't blitz.
This is a Todd Marinelli kind of guy. And that. That is what it is. We can agree or disagree on it. I think Raheem is very pragmatic and will do whatever's best for the team, but certainly the personnel that's in place from all these coordinators over the last five years is, in theory, best suited for this.
And this is a coach who is well suited to perhaps maximize that sort of a. A player and those sort of levels. But I'm excited for the linebackers to, to see what happens there. Can they get something out of Nick Martin? Do they draft a young linebacker, perhaps even a 27? There's a lot of good, a lot of good theory there, and I do think that zone is probably the way to go. There's not going to be a reinvention of the wheel here. If you could even call what the Niners had on defensive wheel last year.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I Personally, don't think drafting a linebacker 27 makes sense.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: Okay, I disagree.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: I know. You disagree. I know.
[00:17:16] Speaker B: I know. You know exactly who I want.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: I know. I know. And we have a disagreement about that. And I think it's good because we agree a little bit too much.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: And so I. So I've been told. The problem is we're not entertaining enough in disagreeing.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: Well, because I don't. Yeah. Because we're both making valid points. We're like, that's a valid point. I disagree with you. But that's valid. Instead of me just screaming into the void, which maybe we should just start doing, that we should be. No, I think that's a really valid point. You're making some. You're making a good case.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: I understand where you're coming from and know that you did the work so that you have a different understanding than me. Football's an inexact science, Jake. It's an inexact science. Subjective. And I respect your opinion.
Like that. Yeah, I don't think that's good.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Did that work for you folks?
[00:18:01] Speaker B: Anyway, can we talk about Al Quadin Muhammad as a possibility for the 49ers?
I kind of. I kind of dig the concept of an Al Quadeen Muhammad as a Bryce Huff replacement because he gives you a little bit more size, but ultimately is playing the same role.
And I think that the price might be right for this. Now, just again, to be clear, I think Bryce Huff's getting cut. He has a big option due, I think, on the 13th. He didn't do enough to justify paying him out. I think it's like 12 or 13 million dollars.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Which, again, I forgot about. So that's more money to add to the cap.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: Fair enough. Fair enough.
I think there's. There's some good options at Edge. Edge is always really tricky.
I know you kind of have a theory, too, because you're deeper in the draft than I am now, so you have a better understanding of, like, where the draft is kind of. Kind of what this draft class is and what it's good for and where the value can be found more so than I.
And edge is a spot where obviously there's. It's a pre. It's a premier position. There are three premier positions, maybe four if you want to get crazy with it.
[00:19:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: Which is, you know, quarterback, obviously, left tackle, defensive end. And then I would argue wide receivers now a premier position.
And you can make the argument that outside of tackle, if you have a really good one, and quarterback that you probably shouldn't. Be dropping big time money on anybody at the other two. Like where do you stand?
[00:19:39] Speaker A: This is why it's, it's weird because I guess on the whole I would say it's a weaker draft but the particularly because the premium positions that you sort of identify as like oh this is a strong draft are relatively weak.
Like you look at defensive tackle, not a huge fan. There's some good edge rushers at the very top.
It gets weird very quick.
The defensive tackles could work out but
[00:20:05] Speaker B: like some real boomer bust there. A lot of second round grade guys.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: Quarterback, very weak running back. It's like Jeremiah Love and then like a pretty steep drop off. There's, there's some guys I'm interested in but it's weird. I think it's, it's fairly not, not that elite strong, but it's pretty good at wide receiver there's a lot of good options.
Tight end is, is kind of hit or miss. Again there's a steep drop off after Kenyan Sadiq in terms of physical talent. Offensive tackle, there's like a couple good options but there's not like oh it's like none of the like people have just been putting. Spencer Fano is like a top 10.
He's got shorter arms than Will Campbell.
[00:20:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:50] Speaker A: He might be a guard at the next level.
[00:20:52] Speaker B: True. There's a reason he was at right tackle.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: And so Maui Noah might be a guard too. I've been watching him and I get the thing about the feet. I think he's strong enough to be a tackle but like there's a little.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: Might be a right tackle.
Right.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: And so you go I don't know about offensive tackle.
And so it's like the positions it's, it's really deep at are like corner
[00:21:14] Speaker B: safety and linebacker and guard.
[00:21:18] Speaker A: Right.
[00:21:19] Speaker B: Like legitimately incredible. Like I cannot remember the last time where I thought that there were this many guards that can go in the first two days.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: Right.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: Usually it's weird.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: It's a weird like non premium position draft and I, I think some teams are going to make very, very, very, very fireable mistakes because they won't recognize that and they will treat it as if, well he's this player at this position as opposed to being like this is a third round talent. They're just no one at that position left. Right. Like you shouldn't elevate a guy who's a third round talent to be second or late first.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Just cuz are you saying because they should first or the whole thing which is hold on to your grades, be Honest to your grades. Don't let inflation catch you 100%.
[00:22:06] Speaker A: I'm. I am so dead serious. I like the defensive tackles in round four and beyond more than the early group. And I would not touch one until day. Day three.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: I think that's right. I mean, unless it's Peter Woods.
[00:22:18] Speaker A: Unless Peter woods falls to, like, 27. And then it's like, okay, you have to.
[00:22:23] Speaker B: Or, you know, if you're sitting at 50 and Banks is still there, you can lottery ticket that. But, like, again, that's what I'm saying, like, hold on to your grades. Like, if you were to do an honest grade on, On Banks, you'd be like 35, 40 with the upside to be 5 with the bottom side to be, oh, we're all fired, like, right there. And so then if you're. So then if you're drafting at 40 or something, now, you can take, like, that's an honest grade. You're getting excess value to what you graded him against.
Hold on to that because, yeah, I think a lot of teams, particularly bottom of the first round, are going to see offensive linemen coming off the board and freak out because, well, we got to get an offensive lineman now. And I mean, it doesn't mean that there's not enough that they won't fall to you. But, yeah, hold on. Be honest on your grades and, you know, be in a better position to where you don't need a position out of the draft. And to do that, you need to spend a little bit in free agency
[00:23:20] Speaker A: if you're the 49ers, some mediocre players to plug some gaps.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: Right. Get yourself a middle class.
Okay, Al Qudi, Muhammad, again, I just like him. He's, you know, he had 11 and a half sacks.
He's not going to play the run.
You just pin his ears back, let him, let him eat. But he's got a little bit more weight so that if he gets stuck on the field, you're not, like, totally freaking out.
Seven, $8 million a year feels like a fair price. It's hard to say with, you know, again, free agency, inflation, but he might be a guy who kind of slips through the cracks, gets into that second tier. For me.
[00:23:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I like him. I like Al just mentioned the same guy.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: I also like. I also like outside.
[00:24:03] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Muhammad. Al Quadin.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: I've been a fan of Kaleb on Chase on. Yeah, since he was in the draft years ago. I feel like that was the first draft they took seriously. And I went, I don't know if it's the name. But I'm a fan. He didn't.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: It is fun to say.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: He took a while to sort of. He took. Right. He's. He's got a lovely name. It took a while to sort of click, but he sort of really took off this year. He's still 27, which means somebody's going to pay him 18 a year instead of what it should be, which is like 12.
But I think if he does fall into that lower tier, I would take a swing at him. Especially if you're getting rid of Bryce Huff and you say, all right, well, we're clearing 6 million that way. If, if he's a little bit more expensive than we want, that's fine.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
I don't know if that's.
I'm wary, very wary of the nine.
[00:24:56] Speaker A: Huge frame. I think he's a little bit more of a speedy Bendy guy, which, you know.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: Yeah, Speedy bendy's good. They need speedy Bendy. Sorry, like, I'm not trying to disparage. I hear what you're saying. I appreciate your analysis. I just think you're wrong. No, we were trying it and it still doesn't work.
You know, I think Bradley Chubb is going to get some love from folks. I don't see the same burst out of Bradley Chubb. I think that you're chasing a pre knee injury Bradley Chubb. And if he wants to be real cheap, that's cool. Then you can try to buy. Buy the dip if you will. But he was too productive for Miami last year to think that that's a dip. He just doesn't look the same to me. It's not the same Bradley Chubb.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: I agree.
[00:25:44] Speaker B: Quitty pay for the Colts.
I don't see it there.
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[00:26:01] Speaker A: And it's going to be too expensive.
[00:26:03] Speaker B: Way too expensive. He's going to get like 25 million a year and the Chargers might give it to him because again, who has the most cap space?
Those Los Angeles Chargers edge is just a really tricky one. The other aspect of the edge. Sorry. Is like Mikel is coming back and Bosa as is Bosa. And I don't think that you can make the sort of fiscal commitment to another end. Unless it's a Max Crosby. Unless it's like clear cut.
Maybe. Maybe this is just too much politics or maybe this is just you know, trying to save face. I firmly believe that Mikel is going to be a great player and fits any sort of scheme that you want, especially a scheme with Raheem Morris, maybe even more so than one with Robert Sala. And I'm just. I'm just of the mindset that you can't bring in somebody who would take snaps away from him even coming off of this injury, which throws a lot of stuff into question. I'm. I'm just. I'm still all in on.
Still all in on it.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: As am I. I loved what I saw. I. There's a lot of room to grow. The injury rehab will tell a lot.
But like again, so young was always going to take. Always going to need a little bit of work. Maybe we underestimated how much work he needed as a pass rusher. Wish he got that in the second half of the year. But also like. Also needed rest as Kyle Shanahan explicitly stated.
So if he comes back healthy, it's fantastic. Edge. Edge. I find the most difficult position to evaluate for the 49ers because you could make a wide range of arguments. I don't think going for a top tier defensive end makes a lot of sense for this team and I don't necessarily love what the draft has to offer at that position.
It's. There's a lot of weirdness there. I haven't really fallen in love with a lot of guys.
[00:27:52] Speaker B: So let's go to somebody that we both know.
It's so obvious. It's so clear cut. It's such a great scheme fit. It's almost annoying that we have to bring it up. But like you and I, we both agree, like John Franklin Myers is so obvious it can't happen. Right. Like, there's no way something that's beautiful could come to life.
[00:28:14] Speaker A: Yeah. But it's almost like he doesn't.
I don't know what he's going to cost. You could say he could be 15 million. Someone could pay him 25.
Someone could pay him 12. I like truly the range of outcomes is.
[00:28:27] Speaker B: So he'll probably take the most of those.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: I suppose he would.
I think he's just a really good player. I think Jonathan Allen coming available is interesting.
[00:28:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Very much, very much fits the mold.
[00:28:41] Speaker A: I would not be shocked. Especially with Kwesi back in the building.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Hey now they love.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: They love to be like, hey, remember that guy I like. Let's come on.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure Adam.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: I think they've also always been fans of Jonathan Allen, as have I.
Good player he's 31 and he might be on the cheaper side, especially after the cut, so he might make more sense. But I think John Franklin Myers is a guy that does everything at a really good level. He's not going to dominate, I think, in any aspect, but just sort of like do everything well. And I really think. Yeah, and he's got great size at the position. You can move him around a little bit. Yeah, he's just, he's just an easy. Yes. I think the price will be tricky.
[00:29:27] Speaker B: John Franklin Myers is my equivalent for those who don't watch the Denver Broncos. And it's like, what if Kalia Davis was good? That's John Franklin Myers, like legitimately.
He's just good. He's just good at it. He's young enough that you're not concerned about, you know, the long term ramifications. What?
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Sorry. I opened Twitter and Luke Evans, who covers the Broncos goes, I've talked with several agents on John Franklin market, John Franklin Myers market, who are all over the map. One said 12 to 14, one said 16 to 18 once in 20 to 22. As I just said before reading that tweet.
[00:30:05] Speaker B: That's fantastic.
[00:30:07] Speaker A: That's extremely funny.
[00:30:09] Speaker B: It is. It's also, that's also the, the Tyler Algier range of. It could be literally any amount of money, $2.
[00:30:17] Speaker A: Or it could be everything you own. Who knows?
[00:30:20] Speaker B: League minimum or now the highest paid player in all of football. I have no idea. And you know, he should take the highest paid player option.
Okay, what are some other names that you like in free agency? Not necessarily the Niners are going to get, but like guys that you like and then let's talk about them in a Niners context.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: Sure.
I mean a name that is interesting. I mean guard is really weird. Let's go to guard for a sec. Because it's a lot of guys who are veterans.
You're like, do we pay isaac sayu mallow 15 million a year? They won't ever do that. They really don't pay guards.
They just explicitly don't. No, but like, how much does like a Joel Batonio cost? I think Elijah Vera Tucker is a really interesting name who's had brutal injury history. But like when healthy's got such massive upside.
[00:31:10] Speaker B: He's awesome.
Get him the substation that will fix it.
[00:31:15] Speaker A: I just don't know what to make of the guard class because one, everyone likes to be like, oh, I love this guard. It's like, well, did you really watch your scheme? I can't pretend I've Watched every single one of these guys in detail within their scheme to. To know if they're the right kind of fit.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: The nice part about Vera Tucker is that there's not that much film to go through, so you can really get a good feel.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: Exactly. I kind of want to talk more about your guy that you were talking to, Kevin Zeitler.
[00:31:40] Speaker B: I've always really liked Kevin Zeitler.
I think that, correct me, I might be confusing him with somebody. I'm pretty sure I have this right. It's a guard. They're generally anonymous. But like when Zeitler left Detroit, like that line took a dip. Yeah. Am I correct on that?
[00:31:56] Speaker A: Is that he's just always been very good.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: He's always been very good.
He let up only 16 pressures last year and that was considered like a bad year for him in terms of pass pro. And I think he moves really well now. He's not specifically like a zone guy. He. He's more of a Mauler, but we've been talking about this nonstop. They need more of that. They need somebody who can stand in there. I don't think puny's much of a mover. So like go get another. Get an old puny and let's all sit on that for a moment.
[00:32:29] Speaker A: Let's move on.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: I just think, I mean, I like Wyatt Teller, but wire Teller's game is predicated on his athleticism in a lot of ways. And there are pretty clear signs that that might be zapped. It might also have been a one year blip.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: I think the way is to go, hey, veteran, do you want to compete? You want to. Do you want to spend your last year. We'll pay you three or four.
[00:32:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: And you can compete for the starting guard position. We'll probably draft one too. But for now it's your job to lose.
[00:33:01] Speaker B: Right.
[00:33:02] Speaker A: How would you like to play for cheap and maybe like actually win a championship?
I think a lot of people are mentioning like Jake Brendel, potential cut candidate to save $3 million.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: No, I don't happen like Brock Purdy won't let it happen.
[00:33:19] Speaker A: Last year, the deal, five and a half million on the cap. I just think he's too affordable. And in the market for centers, I know there's a lot of good options out there. The problem is center market. Like people get so desperate and so aggressive to go after top of the line and then you have to teach somebody the scheme. And Kyle is so particular about his requirements. I mean, it makes more sense to surround him with physical talent and Say, all right, let's draft a guy that can maybe be a replacement in a year, which, like, who knows if they'll do or if they'll extend him until he's 45.
[00:33:54] Speaker B: I'm not the biggest Connor McGovern guy. I think Cade Mays is.
Doesn't have the movement ability that they need at center. Regardless of if they're trying to be more physical or not.
It's really. People are just talking. Linderbaum, he's 20 plus million.
And there's a market of just flat out insane teams that are ready to eagerly give it to them. And if it's not the Chargers, it's going to be the Bears.
And because the Bears, you know, just lose Dalman, they just cleared up more cap space with the DJ Moore trade for a second rounder, which was obscene. And like, they, they value that. They've shown last offseason that they really value that position.
And because of someone like Drew Dman, a pioneer in many ways for Tyler Linderbaum, he should send him a nice card when this is all said and done. Like, Linder Bomb's going to get paid over $20 million a year as a center. He's going to get paid more than Creed Humphrey, and I don't disagree that he is of that elite tier.
But there's like this huge drop off from the elite guys to then like mid tier and then like nothing and you're just not getting anything. That's. I think you're overpaying at that position.
I just, I, I think that teams are overpaying guards and I think that they're overpaying centers because they think center is even more important. And I don't disagree with that, but I'm not sure it's premier money important. Yeah.
[00:35:24] Speaker A: The Niners also haven't just haven't shown that they like to spend money on the interior, which is like, I think, a pretty logical way to build a team. Unfortunately, I do think they should invest more draft capital, but that's, yeah. The topic that we've already discussed ad nauseum. I would like to talk about.
Yeah.
Also, Linderbaum, sneaky, like, not as great in pass protection as he's made out to be more of a run oriented guy, which for the 49ers.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: Great. It would fit. It would fit, but it's just a lot. Also, like, I know the Seattle game is going to loom very large. Okay, first off, find me the team that didn't have some real issues with the Seattle defense. I'll show you, the Rams, who built an entire offensive line out of dudes who were formerly bouncers at the club.
So unless you want to do that and rebuild the whole damn thing out of punchers in one off season, that's going to cost you so much money and so many draft picks. Unless you want to do that, you should also look at, you know, the fact that Brendel was really, really good down the stretch from Arizona on. He was really, really good in two games. Unquestionably. He was bad. Everyone was bad in those games, not just him.
And I. I just. I think that the Brendel hate is a pretty clear sign of misunderstanding about what the center's role and responsibilities are on this team.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: Again, Puni played the whole season hurt. You have to, like, hope he gets healthy and then add some beef. Add some beef. A guard, I think that you like at guard. Yeah, there's a lot of guys I like at guard. It's just. I don't know.
[00:36:59] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: I have no idea what to value these guards at. It's so strange. The market's so weird. I don't know what they're going to cost. Like, you could talk me into most of them. Yeah, I just don't know about the price. So it's. It's hard for me to say. Like, Elijah Vera Tucker is very interesting.
David Edwards, very good player.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: It does sound like him and McGovern are like a packaged pair.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:23] Speaker B: People are talking like they. They're gonna go together, and it's like, I love that. I mean, we have a co podcast, so I guess I can understand.
[00:37:30] Speaker A: I kind of love that, though. Like, yeah, let them just play next to each other.
[00:37:35] Speaker B: You know, there's a lot of talk. There's a lot of names that people know, but they're not necessarily good guards. I'm still.
I'm still.
What's his name?
[00:37:44] Speaker A: Browns. Guys, like, looked washed last year, but how much of that was just them wanting out of the Browns? And, yeah, starting to phone it in.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: I'm. I'm still. Ed Ingram. Curious.
Yeah, I'm not sure what that looks like in terms of cost.
I still think Dylan Parham from the Raiders is a nice cheap option, though. I'm not so sure he's going to continuously be this cheap. It does seem as if some people have gotten in on the old.
The old Dylan Parham thing. Now there's a little bit of a confirmation bias here. When I say something and then it's like, oh, I heard you. Like, this guy is What I'm hearing like I also like this guy or like I heard this thing and so now I got that. I've also been getting that like crazy with Charlie Kohler.
Charlie like having planted the flag as the Charlie Kohler guy like a month and a half ago.
Now everyone's Charlie Kohler mad. They're like oh he can catch. That's awesome.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: It's like I told you Charlie Kohler Maxine.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much.
And, and I'm jester maxing over here as we get brutally frame mogged. I don't know what any of those words actually mean.
Do you think they spend it guard and if so how much?
[00:38:55] Speaker A: I think they go bargain hunting and I think that ends up.
It's tough because I they're going to try and play the comp pick game and so like they might not spend more than 3 million. I think if I were to bet logically I think they were going to disappoint people.
But I also think there's a world in which they sign somebody who's really more like an 80 year player and they say all right, we're going to work it in a weird way to benefit the compact formula. It's going to be a two year with a void year at the end of it. And so it'll come in and it's basically six a year but you know, but it comes in lower than that. I think they'd be willing to spend five or six but what does that get you compared to a bargain deal? I'm not sure. I really don't know how to value the guard market.
[00:39:48] Speaker B: It might get you Kevin Zeitler. It might get a 36 year old Kevin.
[00:39:51] Speaker A: It might. I think they have to make an argument to say hey man, look at the pieces we're going to bring in. They're going to go what are you talking about?
George Kittle is like, no, Kittle is going to be ready to go.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: No, he's, don't worry, he's on a cart. It's fine, it's fine.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: Kills going to be ready to go. He's doing cold plunges like crazy.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: Yeah, you should see the guy on his scooter. He's just going to going everywhere. Running back. They need a running back.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: Tyler Algier or bust.
[00:40:16] Speaker B: Well okay, let's talk Kenneth Gainwell because I don't get the sense that Kenneth Gainwell's market is as active as I thought it would be. I think that because there are some pretty good running backs at the top, I thought that he might get looped into that sort of top tier and kind of get the low end of the top tier. It seems to me from what I can garner at this moment that he's going to be maybe a high end of the bottom tier and that puts him very much in the Niners price point because there is a gap there. Right. We're not talking middle class.
[00:40:46] Speaker A: He's yeah. Upper lower class.
[00:40:48] Speaker B: He's upper lower class as opposed to lower upper class.
And again much like America, no middle class.
And we're talking like 5, 6, 7 million a year. I feel like that'd be an absolute no brainer if you can pull it off. Now I do think there'd be heavy competition but. But a pretty easy sell of like oh, this guy's about to die. You should definitely come here and get all these carries.
Right.
[00:41:09] Speaker A: I again I have, yeah, I have no argument against Kenneth Gainwell. I think that's very logical. I just wonder how much they're willing to spend on a backup. I think how much they are willing to spend will tell you what they think of McCaffrey's long term.
[00:41:24] Speaker B: So can they that, that actually opens up a little bit of a Pandora's box because what they think and what they can say might be two very different things.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: Agreed. Agree. I think they will spend 3 to 6 million a year on a backup. And then I sneak. I know it's not like viewed as a good running backs class but like there's some guys I sneaky like day
[00:41:48] Speaker B: three guys,
[00:41:50] Speaker A: third round the four.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: How about you just name the damn name.
[00:41:54] Speaker A: I like Jamari Taylor.
[00:41:56] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:41:56] Speaker A: I am, I am like much. I think Catrion Allen. I know everyone knows Catron Allen's name. Like on some boards he's like a fourth rounder. He is incredible at reading his blocking and just running in flow. Like I know people remember him from Penn State and I guess because of the Measurables didn't have him that high.
He's tremendous. I think he just has a perfect feel for the position. I think he has a lower upside than some of the other guys. Like I think Demond Claiborne is crazy physically talented.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: I like Claymore.
[00:42:29] Speaker A: I think Mike Washington's crazy physically talented. Are they good running backs? I'm not really sure. I actually don't think Mike Washington is a good running back but I think he's so fast and so large it doesn't matter. Like I think he's going to produce.
I think he's going to produce and it's going to People are going to be like, wow. And then after a while it's going to. The production is going to fall off. People be like, what happened? It's like, well, he was never actually that good at playing the position. He's just really, really physically gifted.
[00:42:57] Speaker B: I, like, is an interesting one.
I like to think about it in the, the college football landscape. Like, he was Penn State's leading rusher last year with 1300 yards over Nick Singleton, who shoot the draft to come back for like two, three million dollars in nil.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:14] Speaker B: And then got Wally pipped and now there's some injuries and stuff, but like, yep, Katron Allen was unquestionably better for a team that deserved no attention down the stretch.
[00:43:25] Speaker A: There's like a couple of guys that are just physically like, engineering. Price is like, he's. I mean, Jadarian Price is more proven than Singleton, but there's like, Price and Singleton were in a similar sort of situation of like the more physically talented, bigger backs. And then like Clay, there's just all these like, big, talented backs that you're like, which one is Isaac Arundo and which one is like a breakout?
[00:43:47] Speaker B: That's. Well, that's the, the million, 5 million, $7 million question. I think that if you can you go get gain. Well, again, all of this operating under the premise that the Niners are interested in spending money to improve their football team.
I think you try to go get gain. Well, and if you, if he actually prices himself out, then you try to get Tyler Algier and if he prices himself out of that range, I don't, I don't know where you go from there. Maybe a Rashad White,
[00:44:16] Speaker A: like, shot White is interesting.
[00:44:18] Speaker B: Sean Tucker, he might get more money because he's younger.
[00:44:22] Speaker A: Gotta get, gotta get a Bucks backup running back.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Because if there's one thing you saw about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last year, it's like, ooh, let me get some of that running game.
Yeah, I would, I'd. I'd find one. But like, it's not going to be Walker, it's not going to be etn, it's not going to be Dowdle. So Gainwell is kind of ideal. I think Algier is, is very, very close to that. And after that, you maybe you just rolling the dice in the draft and hope you like somebody and you're going with Jordan James.
Stefan Diggs is available.
[00:44:52] Speaker A: Nope.
[00:44:54] Speaker B: Not even as an X receiver.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: Nope.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: They need an X receiver.
[00:44:57] Speaker A: Not touching that.
Not going any. Not going anywhere near that situation.
[00:45:03] Speaker B: Why? Because he has multiple baby Mamas.
[00:45:05] Speaker A: And because of the assault charges and off the. Off all the field issues, I have no interest.
[00:45:11] Speaker B: He's always had those and yet he still produces.
We'll see.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: I don't have it. I don't have interest in that. He is not in a great situation off the field right now. I would not touch it.
[00:45:21] Speaker B: Okay, well, I don't know the ins and outs of that.
I thought they were cutting him for strictly salary cap purposes.
[00:45:27] Speaker A: I mean, that's what they're going to say.
[00:45:29] Speaker B: Well, that's what I. Yeah, well, I didn't dig any deeper, Jake. I was just trying to figure out if he can. Well, I'm digs any deep. Thank you.
Yeah, let's all take a moment.
I was just thinking like X receivers a big deal. Right. And we talked a lot about Alec Pierce and Romeo Dobbs.
Not even sure who else you'd kind of include in that camp of somebody who can line up at X, operate the offense in an efficient, clean manner and free up Ricky Pierce all to play Z. Give your young guys some.
Some opportunity to slide in as in the slot or at Z if you want to mix up the offense. Like Dobbs is going to be expensive.
[00:46:09] Speaker A: Debo and have him and Ricky Pearsall stand on top of each other and then just use Debo as a battering ram. Vincent to don't grab him for Ricky Pearsall. Just have Debo run pick routes every play.
[00:46:21] Speaker B: Let me check the rulebook and see if that's allowed.
I'm pretty sure that that's an illegal formation if you're.
[00:46:26] Speaker A: What if it's like a tush push thing and Ricky is using like a slip?
Maybe not.
[00:46:35] Speaker B: So you can come back to that. You get Ricky's legs, but Debo's upper body is there.
I don't know what they're working on. Could you cut them in half and just get them flipped?
[00:46:47] Speaker A: Go full Cronenberg? Yeah, maybe.
[00:46:49] Speaker B: Kind of.
Okay. I don't know who's a wide receiver. Who's a wide receiver. You do like, who's not. The two guys that we've constantly talked about.
[00:46:56] Speaker A: I mean, I like. I mean Rashid Shahid is interesting pieces.
[00:47:01] Speaker B: He.
[00:47:02] Speaker A: Yeah. But he has played outside at times. I don't think of him as a true X, but I think he has some of that capability. And maybe it's just the offensive walls where like.
I don't know. Kyle has talked about the need for an X.
[00:47:15] Speaker B: You have to have an example. Yeah, they just. They don't have somebody who can keep Safeties, honest as they run their underneath routes.
[00:47:24] Speaker A: Pierce all can do that. It's just you can't rely on him to every single snap.
[00:47:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And he's not a big enough body to where you think that that's like a viable option. I think Mike Evans is going to be too expensive for what he is. I mean, he had 31% of snaps last year.
Diamond Brown sucks. Sorry.
[00:47:47] Speaker A: It's not a great. It's not a great option. There's not. I think, I think you go cheap.
You bring in. What's his name, maybe from the Steelers.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: Adam Thielen.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: No, no, no, no.
[00:48:03] Speaker B: Scott Miller. Marquez Valdez, Scanling.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: Nope. Nope. Incorrect.
[00:48:08] Speaker B: Calvin Austin. Yeah, that's the one. How about it?
[00:48:12] Speaker A: Yeah, well, Calvin Austin. And you draft a wide receiver in one of the first three rounds.
[00:48:17] Speaker B: To be fair on Calvin Austin, he was part of the trade package from the Steelers to the 49ers. Brandon Iuk. It was him. I can't remember the name of the guard. And a third round pick.
So you know, we have some folks in here. Well, let's just throw it up here specifically. Sorry, Kaden, I have to shame you publicly. DeAndre Hopkins.
Washed.
Sorry. Nice guy. Hell of a player. Hell of a career. Could not be more washed. Dude has been on a spin cycle for the last 18 months. Is absolutely wrong.
[00:48:52] Speaker A: Was the guard. I think
[00:48:55] Speaker B: in retrospect, not a great deal. I still think a lot of Zacchaeus is in play here.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: I think he's a perfect cheap addition who just like kind of does what you ask of him. You're like, hey, do you need a fourth wide receiver? Yeah, I can do it for you.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: Yeah. You've never seen a fourth wide receiver quite like.
Quite like a lama Day Sakanis.
[00:49:17] Speaker A: I. I think, I think you spend a first three round pick on a wide receiver.
[00:49:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Now you have more young wide receivers. I'm also still in on Traylon Burks as a Just a concept.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:49:30] Speaker B: Just give it, give it a go. Jordan Watkins.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: Dieter.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: What about him?
[00:49:36] Speaker A: I mean, just think it was important to say what about him? And then you go, I don't know.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:41] Speaker A: I mean, until I see. Yeah. Until we see anything, you cannot, can't
[00:49:48] Speaker B: operate on the premise that Jordan Watkins is going to save you. And if they want to, that's cool. Like, that's cool.
Yeah, it's. It's tough. I mean, there is this guy Jennings who's a pretty good blocker. I'm not sure.
[00:50:01] Speaker A: Falcons release Darnell Mooney. Not, not next.
His better days are behind him.
[00:50:06] Speaker B: Nick Westbrook. Akine is an interesting option.
He's a sacrificial. Exactly.
[00:50:12] Speaker A: And he's a guy you just. He just, he looks in pain, as we love from a lot of our players. But he will sometimes just go off and like catch everything thrown to him, even though he's not. He's stiff and he just doesn't have much route craft.
[00:50:28] Speaker B: Here's a. Here's a cheap option that I really liked at the trade deadline is Tim Patrick.
He's like 33, but he's big. He can block.
You're not asking him to do much, but just. I don't think he can actually really attract the safeties, but you could do a hell of a lot worse at X.
I'm kind of. I kind of like the idea. I kind of like the idea. I'm kind of out of Patrick at all. I think they'll probably be interested in Van Jefferson. Van Jefferson has never been good. Won't be good, but is like a great dude.
So good luck on that one.
That's kind of.
[00:51:08] Speaker A: Oh, I think we got. I think there's. I mean, there's a couple of positions left, but I think I want to talk about corner because Reek Wolin keeps getting brought up.
[00:51:17] Speaker B: Yeah, Reek Wolin's obviously a fit, but I'm not sure why the Niners would be terribly interested in bringing in a guy who gave them a game last season.
[00:51:27] Speaker A: He makes a lot of dumb headed, boneheaded mistakes.
He's physically talented. But there's a lot like, okay, if you're going to move off Renardo Green, I don't think is happening. I don't know. There was an ESPN article that said there's 80% chance he gets dealt this off season.
[00:51:46] Speaker B: I haven't. Listen, I'm not, I'm not questioning the validity of Dan Graziano. He's a very good reporter and is earnest.
The Renardo Green thing, it's not to say. How about this?
Obviously the 49ers are not happy with Renardo Green and how this season went and they are feeling a bit bamboozled, if you will, about Renardo Green.
What they thought they were getting what they saw from him in the first year and then sort of what happened in the second year. They're very frustrated and they are like with anybody interested in someone taking a problem, unquestionably a problem, off their hands so that they no longer have the problem and are richer therefore having gotten rid of the problem, that's not happening.
So they're not trading him. They want to trade him. They would like to not have this problem anymore because he doesn't know the plays. Cover 6 turned into a complete disaster. They feel like they're going down a dead end road with him there. But there's no upside to cutting him and, and unless there's really no upside to trading him and taking the loss on the draft cap.
[00:53:00] Speaker A: Right. For a team that is so clearly averse to spending lots of money after being bitten by it, why would you go and spend an abundance of cash when you have a guy who's fairly cheap, you have another corner who's relatively affordable. I don't see the value. I think there's a ton of great corners in this class. So like if you want competition, draft a corner.
Yeah, I don't really, I don't, I just don't understand spending a ton.
I understand Reek Woolen is physically talented. I don't trust him. I mean Greg Newsom's out there.
He's on the smaller side, but he's an awesome corner. Jalen Watson is just like a man press legend.
[00:53:41] Speaker B: I love John Watson, so.
[00:53:42] Speaker A: I know.
[00:53:43] Speaker B: I don't think they're going to run a lot of man press moving forward.
[00:53:46] Speaker A: I, I don't think so.
[00:53:47] Speaker B: Taylor is really, really good, but he's going to be too expensive.
[00:53:51] Speaker A: I just don't really, I don't know, go. You can bring in a veteran for cheap. You can do what you did with like Isaac Yadam, something to that nature.
[00:54:02] Speaker B: That worked out great.
I'm, I'm surprised that Josh Jobe isn't getting more buzz. I think he was great, legitimately great corner and you can say, oh, he's in a great defense or was the defense great? Because Josh Job is great.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: He was awesome last year. Just truly awesome.
[00:54:21] Speaker B: Truly awesome. And, and in a man to man situation, he's like as good as it gets. Like if Josh Job is there for less than $10 million a year and you don't sign him, you're committing malpractice.
Because like it's like the 95 inch television going on sale for twelve hundred dollars when it should be four. Like this guy. I do not understand frankly why the market seems to be so low on Josh Jobe.
[00:54:48] Speaker A: We'll see though. Maybe not.
[00:54:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I just, I, I think that Josh Jobe is, is awesome. And I'm, you know, you're, you're right. I think somebody's going to be like, oh yeah, this guy's awesome. We're going to pay him good money.
Not crazy, not like top of the market, but, like, we're going to pay him good money, like, because that's what he's worth. And there might be a couple teams like that, and then the Niners are going to miss out on him. But I think if you can bring in Josh Jobe, that, that changes your defense, like, fundamentally, because now corner is like, God damn. Like, now Renardo Green's a backup. You take the L on the fact that, hey, he was a second round pick or whatever, but it was worth the risk at the time.
You could trade Demo in that circumstance, or you can get this, just ride with two really good corners and cover up in the fact that you got questionable safety, play again, depending. There's a lot of moving parts and a defensive line that didn't get any sacks last year. Like, what a. What a wild concept to get in two really good corners. And now you can also do the field boundary thing with, with Demo pretty consistently keeping him on the. The field side so that he doesn't have as much room to work with. So I'm, I'm a. I'm a big job guy. I think he's the better corner than Reek.
Who else? Who else? Who else?
[00:56:03] Speaker A: I feel like we've talked about every position except for safety.
[00:56:06] Speaker B: Safety. How do you feel about Jalen Hawkins out of the Patriots?
[00:56:11] Speaker A: I think he was impressive last year. I. For some reason, I feel like I remember not liking him in the draft, and I don't know if that's a valid feeling or not, but there's something that I remember not liking, and maybe it was a Niners player who had a similar. Maybe I'm thinking of the Niners player. You're thinking Taylor Hawkins or something? That's what I'm thinking of. The other Hawkins the Niners had in training camp.
[00:56:37] Speaker B: University of California legend Jalen Hawkins is who we're referring to. Maybe drafted in 2020.
[00:56:43] Speaker A: I might be right. I'm thinking of the guy the Niners had in camp. I think it was Taylor Hawkins or something. And everybody, oh, he's hyped on him. And so I think I'm conflating those two people, which Jalen Hawkins is not.
[00:56:54] Speaker B: So Jalen Hawkins played for the Falcons, the Chargers, and last year the Patriots. So he's bounced around a little bit, but. And then, you know, six feet, huge wingspan. Like six. Six wingspan.
[00:57:06] Speaker A: I remember liking him last year. I was just like, really? Is this the same guy? No, it was not.
[00:57:10] Speaker B: It's not really. Really good. Really good. In the playoffs for them. Really good late in the season for them when they kind of made their.
Made their burst. It'd be surprising if the Patriots didn't bring him back given that they.
They had like a bunch of really ironically for a team that was in the dredges going into last season, like they had really good safety situations to where they were moving off good safeties to try to diversify the portfolio a little bit. They chose Hawkins over, you know, like Peppers and a bunch of other good players. So I would. And he's really good as just a deep coverage guy so who can come up and hit in the run. I think he's going to cost too much.
Probably like 10, 11 million a year.
[00:57:55] Speaker A: Yeah. The Niners are a strange team where you're like, okay, you can spend but you don't really want to and the needs. You can kind of make an argument for every position in some ways.
Yeah, I think Jalen Hawkins is perfectly reasonable. I think they will probably run it back with their run their young group and go bargain basement.
[00:58:15] Speaker B: This is at safety for the Niners,
[00:58:16] Speaker A: but you could really make a case that you like a safety would be the most important addition that you could make for this team.
[00:58:24] Speaker B: Like I think the best option too would be to go to Seattle and get Kobe Bryant who is just absolutely incredible and can play in any sort of a defensive shell that you want. Great as a two high. I think he can play one one up. You can put him in the box. He's just super versatile. You can line them up at corner. You can put them on tight ends one on one. Kobe Bryant's awesome and there are a
[00:58:52] Speaker A: couple interesting options of safety but I think Thienaman is going to sneaky go like top 15.
Like.
Like there's a world where Dylan Thieman goes ahead of.
[00:59:02] Speaker B: Don't you dare say it.
[00:59:04] Speaker A: Of Caleb Downs. I'm dead serious because of the knee
[00:59:06] Speaker B: concerns and this is stupidest thing I've ever heard.
[00:59:09] Speaker A: It's not going to happen.
I'm saying there is a possibility out there where teams go, we're not interested in the knee.
It's. It's going to be degenerative and we're going to take the naman. I'm not saying realistically what's going to happen is downs goes like 10. Thiemen is going to go like 19 or something.
[00:59:28] Speaker B: Right.
[00:59:29] Speaker A: But that.
[00:59:29] Speaker B: That sounds right to me.
It's wrong by the way, on downs. Just dumb. Immediately regrettable. But that's fine. You know, no one. No one Took.
Well, what's. God damn it. Dieter. What. What's the incredible safety for the Chargers name? Played a Florida State number three.
[00:59:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, I know. Every time we do this, I just immediately forget.
[00:59:53] Speaker B: Jesus Christ.
[00:59:55] Speaker A: Why does this happen every show?
[00:59:57] Speaker B: Derwin James. Okay, sorry. I had it, and then I lost it, and then I had it. Derwin James wasn't taken.
When was Derwin James taken? We're. I'm just killing it right now.
Darwin James, unbelievable safety, 17th overall. I mean, right? Like, I remember being like, oh, there's. You're taking players that are unquestionably worse. Here are some of the players taken above Derwin James.
I'll just read the draft real fast. Baker Mayfield. Saquon Barkley. Sam Darnold. Denzel Ward. Bradley Chubb. Quentin Nelson. Josh Allen. So we're doing pretty good. Roquan Smith, good player.
Number nine.
Remember who's taken number nine in the 2018 NFL Draft?
[01:00:42] Speaker A: My brain is saying, Quinton Coples, and I know that's about five years too late.
[01:00:46] Speaker B: No, it'd be Mike McGlinchey to the San Francisco 49ers.
[01:00:49] Speaker A: Oh, that draft, yeah.
[01:00:50] Speaker B: Josh Rosen. Mika Fitzpatrick. Vita Vea. Duran Payne. Marcus Davenport. Colton Miller. Tremaine Edmonds. Derwin James. I might actually have to take back my criticism. That was a really good draft.
[01:01:00] Speaker A: Very strong.
[01:01:01] Speaker B: People did well. I mean, other than the Cardinals. But what's new?
Vita vea 12. Hot damn. Nice pick. Tampa.
Speaking of which, I actually. I'm very still. I'm very much still in on Logan hall as.
[01:01:16] Speaker A: Yeah, he was a name that's. That piqued my interest for sure, and I think might be sneaky, gettable.
[01:01:23] Speaker B: Something to think about. Something to think about inside out. That's kind of, I think, what the Niners are looking for. You're not looking.
[01:01:29] Speaker A: Multiplicity.
[01:01:30] Speaker B: Yes.
It's all, as the warriors like to say, optionality.
[01:01:35] Speaker A: As their former special teams coach Brian Schneider said.
[01:01:38] Speaker B: It's.
[01:01:38] Speaker A: We're trying to get a.
He's just. He just had the rave gloves on. He was just doing this.
[01:01:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:01:44] Speaker A: And I went, oh, I'm not sure. You got a handle on this. And he didn't.
[01:01:49] Speaker B: What is it you would say you're trying to do? And can you be. Oh, we're looking for.
[01:01:53] Speaker A: He was just doing a Tim Robinson where he's like, oh, no.
[01:01:57] Speaker B: Do you know people who can, like, hear color and stuff? Yeah, he clearly. He had to, like, he has an interpretive feel for special teams. It's. It's like the aliens in Contact. They're just sort of operating in this weird lineal space again. They were awesome then.
Any other free agents that need to be.
[01:02:18] Speaker A: I was gonna ask you the same question. I don't have any other guys.
[01:02:22] Speaker B: No, we went through a lot of, we mentioned a lot of dudes. The SEO on this is going to be off the charts. So let's do some questions, why don't we.
[01:02:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Thoughts on Stowers Only combine hype Chick. Interesting.
I've been meaning to rewatch Towers. I watched him early on in the process and he's a little lean for me. I don't think he's like a strong blocker but man, he can make some plays. And it's really hard to ignore how athletic he is. And that was. I didn't need any of the testing to tell me like how well he moved. Strong hands was like just. Pavi is like, like a hospital ball.
[01:03:02] Speaker B: Hospital ball.
[01:03:03] Speaker A: Hospital. Like. Yeah. And just throwing him into traffic.
He's. He's tough to ignore. I, I think again, a little concern about the blocking ability. Is he a true inline guy? Probably not.
But none of, not many of these guys are.
Are true inline blockers. Like there's a case that Sadiq is a little too small to be an inline guy.
And I think I half agree, half disagree. I think he's physical enough that he can figure it out. The arm length is an issue. I think Stowers is a really interesting option. He's I think probably a second rounder
[01:03:40] Speaker B: and I think that's, that's, that feels aggressive.
[01:03:44] Speaker A: It is aggressive. But like he's, I mean in this tight end class.
I think it makes a lot of sense. There's like Michael Trigg and Stowers and Max Claire and of those guys. I think Stowers is really proven as an athlete. So I wouldn't be shocked if he goes round. Two.
[01:04:01] Speaker B: Two words on Stowers. Mike Gasicki.
They are the same.
[01:04:06] Speaker A: Disagree.
[01:04:07] Speaker B: Gasecki was a freak.
[01:04:10] Speaker A: Yeah, but he was much longer.
[01:04:12] Speaker B: I think Gasecki was 65247 with an 82 inch wingspan. I mean what, what did Stowers come in at by the way? 96% shuttle, 60 yard shuttle, 95% 20 yard shuttle, 98% 3 code, 97% broad jump, 98% vertical, 92. 40 yard, 81 hand size 88 arm length, 91 wingspan, 78 height, 26 weight. Like how is that not Eli Stowers?
[01:04:38] Speaker A: Stowers. I think it's smaller.
[01:04:40] Speaker B: He is, he's about 10 pounds lighter and an inch or two shorter, but can't block, can catch anything. That's Mike Kasiki.
[01:04:47] Speaker A: No, I mean, I think Kissicki is.
I don't know. I think the league has changed a little bit, and Kasiki is so much leaner. It's a little bit different. I think Stowers is stronger in his. In his base.
I. I don't. I get it. I get, like, where you're coming from on it, but I. I think they're. They're different molds. I think Stowers moves in and out of space a little bit better. I think Kasiki was a much better. He's just a big wide receiver. Really.
[01:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:05:13] Speaker A: I think has some functional move, tight end ability that Gasecki doesn't, but. Yeah, I. I understand where you're coming from on that.
[01:05:22] Speaker B: I mean, Stowers can make the argument he's more athletic. I mean, he would vertical on. Gasicki was 41. Stowers was 45.
Broad jump was 11.
About the same 40.
[01:05:37] Speaker A: I think their styles are different. I just. I just. I don't see the same physical comp.
[01:05:41] Speaker B: He definitely. Let me put it to you this way. Like, the big thing in the NFL right now is the blocking y. Tight end.
[01:05:47] Speaker A: Right.
[01:05:47] Speaker B: This is the thing that everyone's looking for. And in a way, Kyle Shanahan and Brian Flory were innovators in the space because they. They thought, hey, we need one of those guys. They just got the wrong one.
[01:05:57] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:05:57] Speaker B: Back to back years.
Because now everyone's looking at what McVeigh is doing and saying, oh, you know, we need a Kobe part, Cody Parkinson, and which you do. You always need one of those. And I just don't. I just don't get. Yeah, there you go.
I'm just. I'm just gonna start saying the. The number and the team instead of names.
You try to keep all this shit in your head.
[01:06:23] Speaker A: I. Listen, I couldn't remember Derwin James, so
[01:06:26] Speaker B: that's why the only reason that you were on the spot is because I was asking you, sir.
[01:06:29] Speaker A: I think it's because you looked at me and I. And I just got caught up in
[01:06:32] Speaker B: your eyes and I went, yeah, don't we all?
[01:06:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:06:36] Speaker B: Sometimes the look that you had at the moment when I said, who is the safety? The really good one, number three for the Chargers, was the exact look that my dumb golden retriever gives me on everything.
[01:06:48] Speaker A: Thousand island stare.
[01:06:51] Speaker B: Thousand island dressing stair. For sure. That's right. Just.
Okay, Moose. Thank you. Good. Good talk, Bubs.
Okay, you don't like the Gazicky thing? I like it. I'm doubling down. And we move forward because we understand what Stower says.
[01:07:05] Speaker A: Silence is bring Cam Jordan home.
Maybe.
I know it's not a clear no, it's not a clear yes, it's
[01:07:25] Speaker B: first off home is a stretch. He's from Arizona.
I know he played football in Berkeley, but like it's been three years since he made a Pro Bowl. Everybody makes the Pro Bowl.
It's been almost a decade since he was first team all pro. I know he had 10 and a half sacks last year. Like he was good. He was good. But they were playing him at 4i and yeah, that was a nice fit for him.
[01:07:51] Speaker A: I'm not sure the juice is still there to bring him in as an edge.
[01:07:55] Speaker B: Oh no, you can't play him as an edge. You'd have to convert him to a three technique. And I'm not sure he would hold up in the run game. So kind of, kind of like legitimately there's enough teams that are playing the tight mint front that he'll have a market.
And by the way, Arizona is a very viable spot for him depending on what they do defensively moving forward. But like him and Walter Nolan could be impressive.
[01:08:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm with you.
Nevin Huff could get an Armstead off or take lesser. We cut you. I, I think that's about right. Saw a video of him snowboarding. I went what's, what are. What's in his contract about snowboarding and I know he was not snowboarding very fast.
[01:08:36] Speaker B: It was just, it was getting taught by a five year old kid who by the way ripped. That kid was awesome.
[01:08:42] Speaker A: I know, but he was sliding.
[01:08:43] Speaker B: He was, he was doing it. That's what you do on a snowboard. But. But yeah. Well, I think doesn't really matter if you don't have a contract.
[01:08:49] Speaker A: That's probably how it will go. It's interesting especially with sell out of the building Styers, Gil Howard in the third. I'd prefer the fourth.
[01:08:57] Speaker B: Really.
[01:08:58] Speaker A: But you're a big deal. Howard prefer to get him in the fourth. But yeah, I late third where it's basically the fourth which is where all their third round picks are anyway. Sure, right. Yeah, why not? I, that's what I've done in every mock draft anyway, so I don't know why I'm saying no as if you've
[01:09:12] Speaker B: been knocking on the side. You've been. Hey, you've been running the simulators.
[01:09:15] Speaker A: I did a. There's a stick to the model thing where you can do the entire off season. I'll send it to you.
[01:09:19] Speaker B: Really? Okay.
[01:09:21] Speaker A: Be a GM mode. Shout out to whoever runs that.
[01:09:24] Speaker B: Yeah, you sent that to me and I said, I don't have time for this.
This looks like a lot.
[01:09:29] Speaker A: You'll start it and then it'll be like when you. When everyone goes through a football manager phase, and then you're like, I'm up at 7. I did not sleep because I was managing Millwall.
[01:09:39] Speaker B: There you go.
[01:09:40] Speaker A: We did not get promoted.
[01:09:41] Speaker B: No, I have. I have never gotten into a football manager don't phase.
I don't. I can't figure out how to make my players better.
[01:09:55] Speaker A: That's the thing. It's just really tough. And so you're, like, fighting this war of attrition until you start to figure it out. And then you start to figure it out and you go, well, I can never quit because. Because I finally have the pieces.
[01:10:05] Speaker B: I never have enough. I never have enough unallocated time to where I can put in, like, the six hours it would take for me to figure out that I got it figured out.
Like, I'll give you like, 90 minutes. And then I'm like, this sucks.
[01:10:18] Speaker A: I'm just reading children, too. What are you going to do? You can't play virtual. That's why we have to buy an actual Scottish football team.
[01:10:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Because heaven knows we have both the money and that amount of time on our.
[01:10:30] Speaker A: No, couldn't.
[01:10:32] Speaker B: I still think that we do. Forest Mechanics fc.
[01:10:36] Speaker A: What if we. What if we merge?
We both buy our. We. If.
[01:10:40] Speaker B: Steagalls.
[01:10:41] Speaker A: Yeah. We could buy our buyer. Individual teams. We both buy.
[01:10:46] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. Again with all of our loose cash, by the way. Become a member of the channel so that we can buy competing Scottish soccer teams and take down Jed York in the Open Cup.
[01:10:56] Speaker A: That's right.
[01:11:01] Speaker B: The bit wasn't. The bit stopped being funny for, like, I don't think, like, you and I were both kind of like, semi earnest on it. And then the audience was like, shut up. Like, we don't want to.
[01:11:10] Speaker A: Yeah, people. People are just pretending it's not happening. Which makes me more emboldened to be like, no. Right. You should.
[01:11:17] Speaker B: We should. How much, by the way? We have. We have the stickers. They're spectacular. And if you're a seek help. And I have the list. So.
You know what? You know what? Go ahead, sneak in. I'll send you one anyway.
Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to reach out to all the sea kelps. To get a P.O. box of sorts so that I can send it. I don't. I don't want to be doxing anybody, but I do need to figure out how to get the sticker to you
[01:11:41] Speaker A: before we get out of here.
A lot of people are asking thoughts on this person. Thoughts on this person. Sorry, too many random names. Got a lot more people to watch.
[01:11:50] Speaker B: What if they're going to do.
[01:11:52] Speaker A: Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna have the guide out in about a month.
A month from now, as dieters panic sets in.
[01:12:02] Speaker B: I have like 114 written.
I'm not gonna make it. We'll find. It'll be out. It'll be out. It'll get done.
[01:12:11] Speaker A: I'll make it. And the format it will take will be us.
[01:12:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm.
[01:12:15] Speaker A: As long as it works, which.
It'll be great.
[01:12:21] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:12:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. On that note, if anyone is a subscriber to the Hutch Report, remember, go subscribe and leave me a comment on who you want me to evaluate, because I'm doing a tape breakdown behind the curtain tomorrow. So.
[01:12:37] Speaker B: That's, that's, that's a great idea, Jake. A capital idea, if you will.
[01:12:41] Speaker A: Big thank you.
On that note, we will be back. I think free agency is really actually happening. What, next week or two weeks from now?
[01:12:50] Speaker B: Late. It's next week. It's next week.
The ninth is when it starts in earnest, which is Monday. So I think that we'll be talking
[01:12:58] Speaker A: to you on Monday or on Thursday when the 49ers make their first move. Who knows?
[01:13:04] Speaker B: Both.
[01:13:05] Speaker A: Both by.
See you, folks.
